Here’s the Post’s live feed of Trump’s remarks in the Rose Garden, which are supposed to be coming soon. Of course, with Trump, it ain’t over until the fat orange guy blurts something out.
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Come for the politics, stay for the snark.
I like you, you’re my kind of trouble.
It’s easy to sit in safety and prescribe what other people should be doing.
Speaking of republicans, is there a way for a political party to declare intellectual bankruptcy?
And now I have baud making fun of me. this day can’t get worse.
🎶 Those boots were made for mockin’ 🎵
… pundit janitors mopping up after the GOP
Putin must be throwing ketchup at the walls.
T R E 4 5 O N
They love authoritarianism, but only when they get to be the authoritarians.
A lot of Dems talk about what the media tells them to talk about. Not helpful.
I know this must be bad for Joe Biden, I just don’t know how.
This has so much WTF written all over it that it is hard to comprehend.
Red lights blinking on democracy’s dashboard
People are complicated. Love is not.
Pessimism assures that nothing of any importance will change.
If you tweet it in all caps, that makes it true!
The republican caucus is already covering themselves with something, and it’s not glory.
New McCarthy, same old McCarthyism.
Give the craziest people you know everything they want and hope they don’t ask for more? Great plan.
The next time the wall street journal editorial board speaks the truth will be the first.
You cannot shame the shameless.
You don’t get to peddle hatred on saturday and offer condolences on sunday.
No offense, but this thread hasn’t been about you for quite a while.
The party of Reagan has become the party of Putin.
Major Major Major Major
It ain’t over til it’s over of course, but I did have a feeling this would be the last straw. (Or, for Republicans, the first straw that affected them and therefore they cared about)
Belafon
It isn’t over until he signs the bill.
Dorothy A. Winsor
It wouldn’t surprise me if Trump et al were completely surprised air travel would be affected by a shutdown.
dmsilev
So, was it “couldn’t give the SotU” or “air traffic fucked up” or both? Certainly wasn’t “federal employees couldn’t buy groceries”, cause Trump and his minions clearly didn’t give a shit about that.
Ohio Mom
Off topic but it’s winter, why don’t they do this inside?
Tom Levenson
As someone re-entering US airspace this weekend, I confess I’m a little relieved.
JPL
@dmsilev: I sure hope that Nancy reschedules the SOTU for sometime in March.
J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford
I can’t believe that electing a business fraud/reality TV star President turned out to be such a disaster. I mean, whocouldanode?
schrodingers_cat
In a parliamentary democracy inability to pass a budget leads automatically to a vote of no confidence and fresh elections. But the best constitution in the world did not plan for a mad man grabbing the reins of power?
trollhattan
Infrastructure Week sure is dragging on. So much winning.
chris
LOL at this thread. They’re so fierce. On Twitter.
Major Major Major Major
@schrodingers_cat: hey, it was a good effort for the 18th century!
catclub
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
They have good reason to believe that. The last shutdown, one thing that was fixed FAST was getting ATC running, inspite of whatever shutdown took place. Like the Top post says, Don’t inconvenience the million milers, or the private jet traffic.
dmsilev
@schrodingers_cat: The Founding Fathers were overly optimistic about the whole “sane people in Congress and the Presidency” thing.
Yarrow
Have Co-Presidents Hannity, Coulter, Limbaugh and FoxNews weighed in on this deal yet?
dmsilev
Trump can’t even be on time for an event at the house he’s infesting. I assume that back-stage, aides are pumping him full of medication so he’ll stay more or less on script.
dmsilev
@Yarrow: Fox’s website has “Deal in Works?” as a second or third tier story. I guess we’ll have to wait for tonight to find out for sure.
catclub
The federal government paycheck schedule has today as a bi-weekly payday. I wonder if the check issuing system can come up with checks any faster than in two weeks for furloughed/unpaid workers?
Xecky Gilchrist
@Yarrow: I was wondering if maybe some of the more haggard WH and Senate staff haven’t detained them somewhere until the signing is done.
CaseyL
@dmsilev: It’ll either be a droning announcement that the government is re-opened, or a flailing melange of self-pity, projection, accusations, excuses, and MAYBE an announcement that govt is re-opened.
schrodingers_cat
@dmsilev: Even after all the crazy kings they had? Triumph of hope over experience?
catclub
@dmsilev: Yeah, the electoral college was supposed to keep the tyrants and the incompetents out of the presidency. :(
schrodingers_cat
@Major Major Major Major: Yes I agree. But conservatives like to pretend like it was the word of God and the founding fathers were Moses equivalent.
Ian R
@JPL: No, no. Obviously the SotU speech is important, so should be held soon. I suggest she schedule it for the same timeslot as the Superbowl.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@schrodingers_cat:
Well, the EC was supposed to be the moderating force, but we all saw how that worked out. Not that the EC was a good idea in the first place.
I think the Founders never wanted anything to do with the Westminster system (British!) and modern parliamentary democracy didn’t exist yet in 1789 AFAIK.
catclub
@Xecky Gilchrist: Trump is scared of talking to them before he makes the statement. Knows that if they get to him overnight he will fold to them again.
Everybody knows that whoever is the last one to talk to trump determines the result. Right, Stephen Miller?
dmsilev
@CaseyL: Breitbart went with “Drudge Report: Shutdown Deal Reached; Government to Reopen Temporarily”. You have to click through and read way way down to see “3 week CR with no wall money”. Again, let’s wait a few hours and see how the shrieking looks then.
TaMara (HFG)
I refuse to listen to Trump. So I’ll rely on you guys for the breakdown.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@dmsilev:
They actually thought political parties wouldn’t form. That assumption went out the window basically five minutes after Washington was sworn in.
The Dangerman
@dmsilev:
Former. No one he cares about flies commercial.
I assume the SOTU is on? We should make sure Ann Coulter knows he sold the wall out for TV time.
CaseyL
@dmsilev: Just long enough to demand Nancy let him have his SOTU, then.
Major Major Major Major
@schrodingers_cat: is it just me or have they been doing that less lately? Is it just for when a democrat is president, like flag pins?
dmsilev
@schrodingers_cat: A combination of the thought that the Presidency would only go to people as the culmination of one’s time in government and the Electoral College as a filter. Yeah, neither assumption has held up well. They got a lot of things right with the Constitution, but screwed up a bunch as well.
Betty Cracker
@chris: Bring it, Millie! (She definitely looks like someone I could shoo off my porch with a broom. I don’t fear raccoons, and I’m not afraid of people like Millie, despite the fact there’s always a slim chance they’re rabid…)
dmsilev
@TaMara (HFG): He’s now twenty minutes late. I have to imagine that, like a cat who knows that a vet visit is imminent, his staff is trying to drag him out from underneath the sofa.
Gravenstone
@chris: There are some really badly broken people in this world. Not going to try and sort the bots from the “true believers”, but damn…
sukabi
@JPL: in March will give time for Mueller to finish indicting the family, and possibly Pelosi can extend the invitation to herself to give the SOTU
schrodingers_cat
Cat people of Balloon Juice, do you meow back to your kittehs? I just meowed back at my ginger cat who is begging for food and not letting me work (post on Balloon Juice).
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Major Major Major Major:
It was helluva of an improvement over their first attempt for sure and has worked fairly well more or less for 200 years.
So many other countries have had multiple constitutions and “Republics”. France is on its fifth! Technically, the United States is in it’s second Federal Republic since the Articles of Confederation didn’t work out so good. So really, our current system/federal government should be called the Second American Federal Republic.
Kay
He’s number one.
Emerald
Another thing about the timing of this: it takes the focus off of the Roger Stone indictment.
But yeah, I have no doubt it was the SOTU. His vanity couldn’t stand it. Nancy knows!
Betty Cracker
C’mon, shitgoblin — waddle forth and give your whiny, self-pitying statement. Some of us have real jobs, you know.
smintheus
I don't get it. Given that being stranded mid-air is mildly inconvenient, none the less travelers can still borrow money from banks which have a variety of low cost bridge loans they're offering.Aleta
I’m glad Dems got Senate Republicans on record yesterday voting against reopening.
Major Major Major Major
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
There was that one minor dust-up over slavery…
Chetan Murthy
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: @schrodingers_cat: SC is right, that typically a parliamentary democracy works better than our …. fucking hodgepodge. But OTOH Brexit pretty clearly proves that they can also be stymied by internal schisms to the point of completely seizing-up. Doesn’t change the fact that what we have is *worse*, measurably *worse*.
I’m reminded of Edward Watts’ _Mortal Republic: How Rome Fell Into Tyranny_, where he traces the roots of the civil wars that ended the Roman Republic, to the inability of the Senate and the other legislative body (whose name escape me) to effectively negotiate and reach compromises, instead stalling until the involved parties resorted to violence.
schrodingers_cat
@Major Major Major Major: No, its not just you. They have not been waving the Constitution in our faces since T started using it as toilet paper.
Gelfling 545
@chris: My first reaction was that she can’t really believe this but then I considered that if you listen to infowars you can believe pretty much anything.
Adam L Silverman
@dmsilev: He’s raging because of Stone’s arrest and indictment. They can’t start the press conference in the Rose Garden, because they have know way of knowing if he’s going to do what has been reported – announce he’s accepting a 3 week CR as a compromise, etc, etc, – or if he’ll come out, throw that to the wind because he’s mad and scared and feels threatened and do or say Deity knows what. I would not be surprised if they actually cancel the thing.
zhena gogolia
@schrodingers_cat:
When I had cats, I always, always meowed back.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@schrodingers_cat:
I usually like to make up a voice for my cat when he meows, typically when he wants something:
“That’s right hu-man (think how the ferangi from Star Trek say it) slave, scoop up my poop.”
“I’m hungry, feed me!”
He can be a very demanding boy. But I still love him!
dmsilev
Half hour late. There’s a lot more background conversational noise now, so even the people there are getting impatient. Throwing a temper tantrum inside the Oval Office?
hedgehog the occasional commenter
@dmsilev:
No sofa in the world is that big.
catclub
@Major Major Major Major: The recent unpleasantness.
dmsilev
On the plus side, that’s a very attractive podium and it’s nicely framed with the White House in the background.
CaseyL
@schrodingers_cat: Yes. I meow at Oscar, especially, echoing his clarinet cries. Jeannie, not so much, but occasionally. And I frequently make “momma cat” noises at the kitties I tend to at PAWS.
Aleta
@schrodingers_cat: You might like this duet. Mornings with Lady Spider Mushy Mushy (short vid on Instagram)
Elizabelle
Were I the glorious NDP, I think I would make Trump’s delivering any SOTU in the House chamber contingent on a written promise of no further government shutdowns through January 20, 2021.
Of course, I fervently hope that neither Trump nor Pence will be at the helm by year’s end, much less January 2021. But no more shutdowns. Take that tactic away from Trump and his party of deplorable cowards.
dmsilev
@Adam L Silverman: Wouldn’t it be hilarious/terrifying if he started Tweeting now while everyone is waiting for him downstairs?
Elizabelle
@dmsilev: It looks better without Putin’s Ass et standing at it.
Poor little podium.
Gelfling 545
@schrodingers_cat: All the time. I woof back at my dog too. I’m multilingual.
Chetan Murthy
deleted b/c boy i’m an idiot.
Yarrow
@Adam L Silverman: Agreed. There’s no telling what he’ll do in front of a microphone.
Ohio Mom
@dmsilev: And making them stand in the cold!
So far I’ve been to the pharmacy and the local grocery for fresh bread while waiting. Will he manage to come out before I finish st the dry cleaners?
hueyplong
Best result is a no-press conference, private, sullen signing.
Adam L Silverman
@dmsilev: It wouldn’t surprise me in the least.
smintheus
@Adam L Silverman: The drugs they want him on need time to take effect.
schrodingers_cat
@Chetan Murthy: I think Goku speaks of the Electoral College.
rikyrah
He has hit the crazyfication factor….AT LAST ???
https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/1088868933967450114
Yarrow
@schrodingers_cat: I meow back at my neighbor’s cats when I’m taking care of them. That’s if they meow at me, which isn’t very often. I talk to them, though. Especially the one that chews up and destroys magazines and other paper. That one gets a bit of a talking to because I have to pick up all the little bits of paper that are everywhere.
catclub
@Chetan Murthy: He meant Electoral College by EC, not European Community. Maybe you knew that and are playing with us.
The Moar You Know
@schrodingers_cat: No. I talk back. I figure they’re trying to say something to me and reply accordingly. Result: I have ended up with EXTREMELY talkative cats.
God, I miss cats. My wife is just too allergic. I would not trade my dog for anything and he has truly been a next-level animal experience…but I still miss kitties.
OzarkHillbilly
@schrodingers_cat: We can see you have your priorities straight.
Adam L Silverman
@Chetan Murthy: He means the electoral college.
Elizabelle
FWIW, Kirstjen N whatever has stayed in the Cabinet way longer than I expected.
Would you have bet she’d still be there a month after John Kelly bailed?
dmsilev
I have a noon (Pacific) meeting; do we think his staff will have managed to drag Trump out by then?
Chetan Murthy
@schrodingers_cat:
Oh ha! Yes indeed. And for sure. that’s an inflamed appendix, at this point.
eric
@Kay: no, he’s “number two.” ;)
schrodingers_cat
@The Moar You Know: I talk back or meow back, it depends!
Good to know that I am not the only person who meows at their kittehs, husband kitteh thinks I am cracked! He is also concerned that I curse like a sailor these days, after the 2016 elections.
Aleta
schrodingers_cat
@Elizabelle: She is carrying on his great work! For love! We need Mnem to provide some romance writer like dialog now.
Sloegin
Huh. Looks like a 2 week shutdown reprieve to squid-ink all over the Rodger Stone news cycle.
Betty Cracker
The whole cast of villains is assembled on the portico. This is gonna be LIT!
sigaba
@Chetan Murthy:
The Tribunes. The Senate were the wealthy patricians, the Tribunes were the plebeians– mere citizens.
MattF
Actually it’s trivially easy to predict what Trump will do in front of a microphone. Lie.
Kay
@eric:
I wonder if he’ll start hiding out like they do when they’re really unpopular. Bush Jr. was downright petulant by the end – “you don’t like me? Well, I don’t like YOU either” Remember that? How he just disappeared? Hank Paulson was the acting.
It was like Bush physically diminished. He looked smaller. Trump probably isn’t self aware enough to know he’s loathed. He’ll probably demand that we love him more frequently. If that is possible.
dmsilev
2 minute warning. Guess they managed to tempt him out from under the sofa with a bucket of KFC or something.
jeffreyw
@schrodingers_cat:
I just talk back in english because they understand me better than I understand them. It’s not feline mystique, just me being a dummy.
TaMara (HFG)
MattF
@dmsilev: ‘Come get the ketchup’.
Keith P.
And in exchange Pelosi won’t make Trump wear a bib that says “Bitch Boy”.
dmsilev
Camera has panned to the left. Some nice shrubbery on view.
eric
@Kay: He is like a cornerback or a closer in baseball. He has a lousy short term memory that lets him get right back to it. He is too addicted to his self-perceived public persona that he will be right back out there.
Shakti
@schrodingers_cat: Yes. I asked my parents about how this would go in India (which has a parliamentary system of government) and this is exactly what they said. They also said election season is weeks, not toddler length long.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Major Major Major Major:
Yeah, but the original government (the Union) survived the Civil War and was triumphant. All of the Frech republics, save the most recent two, collapsed completely and were replaced with authoritarian regimes. Mexico also, too. They went through their “imperial” periods as well as their republican regimes.
eric
@dmsilev: where is the like button on this thing! ;)
Major Major Major Major
@schrodingers_cat: I’ve forgotten if I talk or meow it feels like ? but I get Samwise back tomorrow!!!
Aleta
The video and transcript are at fbi dot gov slash video.
TaMara (HFG)
I think I might want to frame this one:
dmsilev
So much for the two minute warning. He evidently slipped off the leash and is back under the sofa again.
TaMara (HFG)
@Major Major Major Major: Oh, I am so glad, I bet you’ve been doing crazy without him. I know I would be.
Elizabelle
He’s about 45 minutes late. Maybe on the phone with Ann Coulter and his other top advisors?
Trying to get out of whatever he agreed to 2 hours ago? Who knows?
What’s Team Mueller doing? Cameras on Junior and other prospects, please. Friday ain’t over.
TaMara (HFG)
@dmsilev: The visual. ??
Elizabelle
Jackass is on.
dmsilev
He’s out. Looks pissed, even more than usual.
“Reached a deal to end shutdown”
Kay
@TaMara (HFG):
She’s really been the star of this. Richly deserved for a grossly under-rated leader.
Frankensteinbeck
@dmsilev:
Trump has been at ‘Oh god, nothing I do puts this woman in her place’ and ‘People on television aren’t saying I’m the greatest, what do I do?!?!’ for awhile, now. What happened is that McConnell came to him and said* ‘I am not covering for your shit anymore. Accept this deal.’ McConnell has been holding down gradually rising tension in his caucus, and I suspect the air traffic thing was what finally forced him to move before they turned on him.
*Trump is an incredible coward. I don’t think he would even be able to meet McConnell’s eyes if it wasn’t done publicly and he had to show off. Maybe not then.
dmsilev
Now he’s claiming that support from Federal workers gave him the strength to keep going.
Fuck you fuck you fuck you.
Elizabelle
He has a very powerful alternative, but he did not want to use it. AT THIS TIME.
Starts out with “my fellow Americans.” Right. Also crowing about his deal.
Now telling us federal families have suffered more than anyone could understand.
Because the gazillionaires in his Cabinet sure don’t get it.
raven
Jesus what a fucking moron.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Major Major Major Major: Yay! Samwise needs to be home.
Elizabelle
February 15.
Don’t go with roses this year, feds. Carnations for everyone. Bank that money.
raven
Very quick;y. . .or as soon as possible.
Betty Cracker
Lying about federal worker support for shutdown. CR until 2/15.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Major Major Major Major:
What happened to Samwise?
dmsilev
3 week CR.
He’s trying to pretend that wall funding is happening.
Fester Addams
It occurs to me that while the police will negotiate with a hostage taker, they do so with the knowledge that whatever happens, one way or another, they are not going to negotiate with that hostage taker again. I think the same approach is indicated for the Trump shutdown.
Elizabelle
Our Homeland Security experts. And experts they are.
raven
I tried. . . .click.
schrodingers_cat
@raven: You are a brave soul.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@dmsilev:
Wow, what an asshole. I thought they were Demonrats?
Betty Cracker
He dragged his staff out in the cold because he requires applause.
Joey Maloney
I just pulled up C-SPAN.org and I realized, my god, I can’t even stand to LOOK at his purulent puss, even with the sound muted.
Elizabelle
February 15.
Valentine’s Day merchants gonna take it in the ass too. No spending sprees.
dmsilev
He’s mouthing words of bipartisanship. I wonder who wrote the speech.
dmsilev
OK, now he’s gone to WallsWork(tm).
Elizabelle
“Walls should not be controversial.”
At first, I thought he said “Wall.”
Israel. Yes. That’s the example we want to follow. Israel’s border is, what, 40 miles??
Blue Galangal
@dmsilev: It’s a safe bet it wasn’t Stephen Miller.
hueyplong
@Keith P.: “And in exchange Pelosi won’t make Trump wear a bib that says ‘Bitch Boy’.”
Pelosi, having gotten what she wants, sees no need to rub Ann Coulter’s face in it. Ann can have him for a few more weeks.
gene108
@schrodingers_cat:
They put the Electoral College as a check against the people, so a demagogue madman could not become President. Somehow the EC hasn’t worked like it was envisioned, in the 21st century.
Elizabelle
Walls. And very effective fences.
The walls that we are building are not medieval walls. — LAUGHING. Can you imagine any other President ever having to say that?
john b
“with a wall they don’t have that hope” (about people fleeing atrocities hoping to come to the United States)
what an asshole
Mary G
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Loooooser
TomatoQueen
@schrodingers_cat: “Meow”” Meow”” Meow” purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr the daily dialogue at my house
smintheus
Hilarious rant by Dershowitz on Fox today: Stone was indicted only for lying to the FBI and tampering with witnesses, which are crimes that resulted from Mueller’s own investigation.
Catnip for the Fox zombies. If only Mueller had never started investigating, nobody would have to be indicted.
Betty Cracker
“Smart walls” and “very powerful fences” and “cutting edge technology” and “drones.” Now pretending he never proposed a wall along the entire border. Coulter ain’t gonna like this.
chopper
@Sloegin:
so five weeks of shutdown for a 3 week reprieve.
ETA: 2 weeks rather. 2 measley weeks.
MattF
@Elizabelle: The MAGA-not line. I guess the ‘next phases’ for wall construction is a free-fire zone. And barbed wire. And gun turrets.
Cheryl Rofer
It sounds like Pelosi wrote the speech.
Elizabelle
Transnational gangs. Like MS-13.
He is so lucky their name is pronounceable.
Now we are hearing about Trump, the protector of women. Especially trafficked women.
dmsilev
He’s getting awfully excited over the idea of women being bound and duct taped and carted away.
Major Major Major Major
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: He’s been staying with a friend until we’re out of this sublet. We got our keys to the real apartment Wednesday and I’m picking Samwise up tomorrow.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@schrodingers_cat:
@Adam L Silverman:
@catclub:
That is correct
@Chetan Murthy:
But what you originally wrote was interesting nonetheless! : ). War in continental Europe is a very very bad thing. Almost as bad as a land war in Asia. Everything and everybody are very close together and crowded. I believe any European war would quickly spread around the world, just like the last two times, and with weapons that can destroy cities in seconds, we can’t afford another world war.
Cheryl Rofer
OMG, he’s got to do the duct tape thing.
Betty Cracker
Uh-oh, duct tape around the mouth (“in many cases they can’t even breathe”) and “they make a left or a right” again. He’s babbling about taped up women in vans, the internet. This is fucked up. Not amusing. Fucked. Up.
chopper
looks like i was right the first time.
jesus, trump, with the ‘federal worker support gave me strength’. fuck you right in the fucking ear.
Frankensteinbeck
@dmsilev:
Nancy broke him, and everyone, EVERYONE knows. There will be more tantrums, but the biggest crack in the wall is there. Everyone knows how the next one will go, including Trump.
Elizabelle
Maligned and destabilizing conduct.
One: I am impressed he can say maligned. Two: he should know. Talk about destabilizing.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Cheryl Rofer: That has to be some kind of fetish thing with him. He describes it in such detail.
Kay
Guffaw. Incapable of a gracious loss. Must. Never. Admit. Error. That must be in the bible.
chopper
@Cheryl Rofer:
what’s with this guy and his obsession with women with duct-taped mouths in the back of a van?
MattF
Needs to go back to shooting people on 5th Ave.
Salty Sam
Damn! Watching Trump fold like a cheap suit is gratifying.
Bonus points for watching him co-opt Dem talking points about “smart wall” vs “Medieval wall” as if that’s been his demand all along.
Although now that he’s moved into the “Scary Criminals and Drugs Flooding Over The Border” portion, it’s time to switch it off…
Major Major Major Major
Well, if we’re talking about whatever Trump is spewing, I’m outta here.
Elizabelle
Do not blame our drugs problem on Mexico.
For dog’s sake. It’s opioids too. It’s the fact that there is an appetite for drugs. It’s because we don’t want to pay for effective healthcare that includes effective long term drug treatment. It’s still war on drugs.
hueyplong
I’m glad you all watch so I can read your accounts, but there is no way on earth I could do it.
Even if I’m watching a few minutes of MSNBC on some evening, if they cut to a clip of Trump talking I switch away before his voice becomes audible (there is always a ball game on somewhere).
Elizabelle
Laughingstock. All over the world.
But he has misidentified the subject.
Elizabelle
@Major Major Major Major:
He’ll stop before long. You know. Stamina.
Glad to hear Samwise is coming home!
JPL
@TaMara (HFG): omg I love her.
Betty Cracker
@chopper: It’s creepy as fuck.
Cheryl Rofer
@chopper: We need to ask Ivana, Melania, and Ivanka.
OzarkHillbilly
@jeffreyw: “I only speak 2 languages lady, English and bad English.”
Elizabelle
Zero Democrat lawmakers.
Gracious, as always.
Luciamia
@chopper: Yup, and he’s basically saying If I don’t get what I want in 3 weeks, I’ll do it to you all over again
donnah
He’s rambling. He’s still struggling to make a case for the Wall, which is his lost cause. Shut up, Donald. You sound like an idiot. They should have written a script he could stick to because he’s gone off the rails.
Chyron HR
Wait, I’m sorry, I’m at work right now. Is this demented pile of feces holding a CAMPAIGN RALLY?
Elizabelle
Just looked at the visual.
That big black coat makes his hands look even smaller. They are. So. Small.
We have companies moving back to the US? Who??
Betty Cracker
He’s just babbling his campaign greatest hits now. It’s a measure of how deeply this cave wounds his massive ego.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Major Major Major Major:
I didn’t hear much about the sublet, but I’m going to assume it sucked. Congratulations on moving into your new apartment! Say hi to Samwise for me.
Mr Stagger Lee
Today’s Pod Save America features calls from those who have been affected by the government shutdown
Cheryl Rofer
@Chyron HR: Rose Garden speech. He’s folding.
Rjm
@donnah:
Yeah, If he’d pinched it off after the first minute or so it would have been _almost_ presidential.
Bawww, who we kidding!
trollhattan
@hueyplong:
Yup. I’m trying to enjoy lunch.Nah Gah Watch. Nor Listen Neither.
Elizabelle
I believe. I believe. This is the Creed of Donald Trump.
Now he is threatening another shutdown or an emergency declaration.
Mueller gotta step up in the meantime.
JPL
@hueyplong: TV is on mute.. It is safe to put it back on because he just walked away.
Major Major Major Major
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: The sublet is great, but we have flatmates and they’re allergic to cats.
gene108
@schrodingers_cat:
I find that attitude to be fairly recent. Never heard about it, when I was growing up.
Kirk Spencer
Is he trying to use this to do his SOYU?
Cheryl Rofer
Betty Cracker
“I believe drugs will be cut by a number that nobody will believe.”
True, because Trump is a known liar.
Now, he’s saying he gets the wall money by 2/15 or he’ll invoke emergency powers. Finally, FINALLY waddles back indoors.
Elizabelle
MSNBC: “The rest of that speech to disguise the fact that he didn’t get any money for his border wall.
30 seconds of that was news.”
Johnny Karate
It ain’t over til he actually signs a CR.
Elizabelle
@Cheryl Rofer:
Great tweet. It’s so true. The abused and dumped boyfriend. Because you didn’t hear enough from him the first time.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Betty Cracker:
Hey, at least he told the truth for once. #smallmiracles.
Frankensteinbeck
Also, as I said before, he LIKES whining. Narcissists get a big kick out of complaining that the world is unfair to them. He’s done. Further fits will be much shorter and the end pre-determined. Maybe more important, Nancy broke McConnell. He knows he can’t pull this shit either.
EDIT – What’s that quote? “Pelosi is as good as McConnell thinks he is”?
gene108
@smintheus:
True statement. If the FBI doesn’t ask you questions, you can’t lie to them.
rikyrah
Pé Resists (@4everNeverTrump) Tweeted:
Trump caved on the shutdown.
Roger Stone was arrested.
Steve Bannon implicated in Stone’s indictment.
Jared Kushner’s security clearance in peril.
Best. Friday. Ever.
https://twitter.com/4everNeverTrump/status/1088869620230942720?s=17
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Major Major Major Major:
Okie doke. Apartments can be super expensive. I’ve looked into a few. Even around where I live a studio apartment is a lot of my income, which I technically could afford, but have little left to pay for everything else.
Kay
@Elizabelle:
This was a disaster for them but I kind of see the thinking. They only have their base. If he loses that he has nothing. It might have worked. Dems could have folded. It wasn’t that bad a bet that they would, but then…they didn’t.
Adam L Silverman
@MattF: It’s the Maga-Dope Line.
Salty Sam
…and Nancy Pelosi pours two fingers of Scotch, puts her feet up on her desk, and salutes a toast to the Founding Fathers…
(Article ONE, BITCHEZ!)
trollhattan
@rikyrah:
This is like being in a badly written prison movie. Instead of plotting our escape we’re just hoping for the evil guard who’s been torturing and extorting us to be reassigned.
Elizabelle
@rikyrah:
Not yet! But yeah, bad weeks for Trump. They will not get better.
Aleta
‘Democrats have finally acknowledged that xyz or whatever you want to call it will be an important part …’
‘Walls are not medieval.’ (Sen. Michael Bennet had an effect on the WH yesterday.)
This horror of a sadistic misogynist. This monster who’s bragged about assaulting women and accused of being at parties with coerced models and girls.
Can’t listen any longer.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Adam L Silverman:
I know we’ll be right back here in 3 weeks, assuming Trumptydumpty signs the CR, and McConnell will still be the Senate Majority Leader, but I guess he isn’t infallible.
JaySinWA
@gene108: The divine constitution is part of the Christian nation nonsense. So not so old, but kind of on the back burner.
rikyrah
@Frankensteinbeck:
Do you know how happy reading this made me?
smintheus
@gene108: That kind of insight is why Harvard pays Dersh the big bucks.
MattF
@Kay: Onion has the story on Dems folding.
ruemara
@Betty Cracker: the man is probably discussing his real kompromat
Patricia Kayden
Somewhere Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh are shrieking in rage about Trump’s capitulation. There will be no wall, Ann! I’m sure Rush knows this but just argues otherwise to gin up his ditto heads.
rikyrah
If they’ve got Roger Stone, it means Mueller has Trump.
— Fernand R. Amandi (@AmandiOnAir) January 25, 2019
rk
So what stops him from doing this all over again? He give the SOTU (a hate fest against the democrats) says he negotiated in good faith..blah blah blah, I’m declaring an emergency to get funds. No doubt it’s a victory for democrats, but temporary. I’m afraid that as soon as the morons on FOX rile him up we’ll be back to square one. Hope Pelosi has plans for this.
MattF
@Patricia Kayden: I liked Coulter best when her jaws were wired shut.
OzarkHillbilly
@Kay: If Republicans wouldn’t fold and give him a wall, why would DEMs?
Raoul
@dmsilev: I think there was a sprinkling of “This is your fault,” Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) told Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) that also started leaking (flooding?) to the press.
Also, too, Pence took an earful. Party unity only goes so far when the putative top of the ticket is at ~36% approval.
dmsilev
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: Sure, but Pelosi and her team have no real reason to put wall funding in any long-term spending bill at this point. So, if he throws another hissy fit, expect it to play out much as this one did.
I know he’s threatened to declare an emergency, but given that it’s been two
centuriesyears since he took office, that’s going to be a hard claim to defend in court.Dorothy A. Winsor
I see a WaPo headline: Trump announces deal. What “deal”? What did he get? I see nothing.
Kay
I’m just going to enjoy the win. I don’t care what they say “I will be back in 3 weeks with my demand, mark my words!” is just a dragged out concession.
MattF
@rk: I’d just note that the result as of right now is exactly what Pelosi offered.
WhatsMyNym
Bloomberg com has this on their front page — Trump Team’s Conflicts and Scandals: An Interactive Guide
sherparick
@schrodingers_cat: Actually, they kind of did. It is why we have the impeachment process. And they were almost certain there was going to be foreign interference (the whole politics of the 1790s after the Constitution had the Federalists accusing the Jeffersonian Republicans of being radicals dominated by French Jacobins and the Republicans accusing Hamilton and Adams and the Federalists of being agents of the British Crown). But they really underestimated and were naive about how parties and factions form in any body politic. Class interests, religion, geography, and race all set us against each other in the end.
ET
He lost the State of the Union fight.
He lost the CR fight.
Flights in airports are delayed because of air traffic controller issues.
Roger Stone is indicted and charged.
And on Thursday night the Golden State Warriors visited Obama while they were in town.
tRump is definitely winning /sarcasm
Aleta
OzarkHillbilly
@dmsilev:
Seeing as he pulled the troops off the border just weeks after the election…
Raoul
Trump has the best staff. The BEST!
(eta: Hi, Aleta.)
Emerald
Yeah, I really don’t think we have to worry about more shutdowns. Orangymandius is incapable of learning, but McConnell has learned. The three-weeks will go by and the budget will pass with little comment. No wall ever will be built. The butterflies are safe.
Nancy SMASH has worked her magic. She is gold.
Frankensteinbeck
@rikyrah:
Yes. Yes, I do.
@rk:
Two things. First, everyone knows how it will play out, who will get the blame, and who will fold in the end. Trump, McConnell, Nancy, Schumer, and every Senator knows it.
Second, an experience like this is seismic for a narcissist. He will not be eager to repeat it, and the way is paved for him to fold faster if he does. Oh, and now Nancy scares him.
Aleta
So what will McConnell and Co. put into the resolution to make it look different than what Senate Repubs voted down yesterday, and Pelosi has offered?
(Other than Rs are offering 3 weeks of funding instead of two.)
geg6
@schrodingers_cat:
Cleo does not meow. I’m guessing that’s weird, but she definitely doesn’t. She purrs a lot, though.
JPL
@Aleta: That makes sense because the duct tape was winding all over the car today.
Brachiator
@schrodingers_cat:
Nope.
Actually, they did consider that voters might elect a fool, but thought that they had installed sufficient checks against that.
But they also did not consider that a chunk of the political establishment and a good chunk of voters would happily install an autocrat, a thief, a scoundrel.
Raoul
@rk: Hopefully Nancy invites him to give the SOTU for a date after the CR expires. That would seem like her style (and she’s a woman with panache).
Adam L Silverman
@rk: Have you seen Speaker Pelosi notify anyone that the State of the Union is back on for Tuesday night? If she’s smart, and she is, she states that there is no State of the Union address in the House until a proper set of CRs are negotiated, passed, and signed into law for the rest of the fiscal year.
Gravenstone
@TaMara (HFG): Insert knife. TWIST!
MattF
@Brachiator: I think, at a minimum, that they considered the fact that people want kings. It was the 18th century, after all.
Cheryl Rofer
Doug R
@Betty Cracker:
Well, you know I’ve shared my tale of raccoon gang fights-I wouldn’t want to get in the middle of 8 raccoons, even if it was only two that were scrapping.
OzarkHillbilly
@Cheryl Rofer: Stay classy Ann, stay classy.
The Moar You Know
When you punch a bully in the face, something interesting happens. They don’t just back down.
They crawl to you. They want to be your friend, to make sure that nothing that bad ever happens again to them. Speaker Pelosi knows this.
She’s going to punch him again and again and again, partly because she doesn’t like him very much, but mostly to make goddamn sure this doesn’t happen again.
I expect to see some legislation coming forth pretty soon to end the practice of government shutdowns for good. The GOP has done it, what, six times now and it has killed them every time. They won’t write the legislation, but they’ll quietly pass it.
dmsilev
@Cheryl Rofer: Has Sean Hannity weighed in yet?
trollhattan
@Cheryl Rofer:
Huh, quite the non sequitur. Not that a narcissist ever seeks psychological help but wow, Coulter has a lot to untangle.
Gravenstone
@Betty Cracker: So he’s edging ever so gingerly into Pelosi’s rhetoric of “border defense”? Interesting …
JR
@sherparick: What’s odd is that they had their own ancestors, many of whom participated in the English Civil War, to look to.
rk
@Frankensteinbeck:
That made me smile. It’ll be poetic if he finally gets disciplined by a woman. Doubly sweet if by some miracle we get rid of Trump and Pence, she becomes president and then we elect a woman president. It’s all bizarre, but stranger things have happened in this timeline.
Fair Economist
It’s Friday, and payday for Feds, right? When can the workers get paid? If they just follow normal procedures it’s another 2 weeks before they see any money, and writing adjustments by hand requires a lot of work by a lot of people, and the people can’t even come in to start before Saturday or possibly even Monday.
Jeffro
@sherparick:
Especially with a hostile foreign power (Russia)…and a propaganda-spewing media outlet (Fox)…constantly trolling the Seas of Outrage for gullible fish.
Kay
@Cheryl Rofer:
She really didn’t serve him well, though. This was dumb. It reveals him to be a fraud on his two strongest myths- deal making and building. That’s why the wall looms so large both to Trump and to his base. It’s a physical symbol of what they believe about him. The dealmaker can’t make a deal and the builder can’t put up a wall.
Gravenstone
@Cheryl Rofer: Wonder if any of them cringe if a roll of duct tape is even visible in his presence? *shudder*
CarolDuhart2
@The Moar You Know: I think we will have to wait for the trifecta before we have a law signed. But when we do, in order to pass constitutional muster, we will have to put some time limit on the automatic part. Say, about 180 days before the Government can officially shut down after a budget runs out, and even then there needs to be a fund to reimburse the furloughed workers, say the Federal Equivalent of an Unemployment Fund or Emergency Fund.
Brachiator
@Frankensteinbeck:
Trump is a foolish man who never knows when he has been beaten.
He has not budged from his hard line anti-immigration stance. He still is holding the DACA people hostage, to be dangled again as needed.
The Democrats have to find a way to break him. Or give him a different shiny toy to make him happy.
This is contradicted by Trump’s past reactions to defeats and setbacks. His powers of denial and ego protection are remarkable.
And he still has McConnell and the GOP leadership backing him up.
MisterForkbeard
@Aleta: Please tell me this is an actual, real thing.
Ohio Mom
Whew! The shut down is over.
Only got to hear bits and pieces of Trump since I was running errands while he was speaking.
He looked pale and wiped out. Lots of those weird deep sniffles. When he started with the duct taped women, I started laughing. He is absolutely stuck, can’t even make up new scare stories.
Yarrow
@Frankensteinbeck:
Yep. Nancy SMASH is the boss.
Brachiator
@The Moar You Know:
Trump has been conditioned not to do this. Perhaps due to parental cruelty.
Also, he is a weak man with presidential power. He will find someone to kick, and this will make him feel better.
Never going to happen. Republicans believe their own bullshit that the federal government is evil.
Raoul
@Cheryl Rofer: Delicious!
Painlord
Breaking out of my years long lurking to say that I 1000% support this new nickname for Pelosi: https://twitter.com/damawe82/status/1088891160079196161
Uncle Cosmo
@Kay:
To paraphrase arch detective Sam Diamond (Peter Falk) in Murder By Death, he looks more like Number 2 to me.
Aleta
@MisterForkbeard: Said to be real. I’ll look for another source.
Could be explainable if DJ was insisting on his trashy lies, but no WH writer would accept responsibility for putting them in the official transcript ? (You mean there’s a line they won’t cross? Or was it just taking too much time to finesse his ugly blustering demands, so they settled on writing “free time” in the ‘schedule?’ )
scuffletuffle
@geg6: Not unusual for a feral…cats meow mostly in response to people because we are the ones who respond to it. They have other vocalizations, ie hissing, growling, for other cats. She may “grow into it” as she gets older and learns that meowing produces results when directed at the “hairless apes.”
Uncle Cosmo
@Frankensteinbeck:
Aleta
Now he’ll have to save face by attacking Pelosi and anyone else who’s handy. Kushner and Ivanka might need to take one of their timely trips this weekend. At the least they may be trying to duck out early today to “pick up the kids” and get ready for Shabbat services.
cckids
@Cheryl Rofer: Jesus, what an evil classless bitch that woman is.
Gemina13
@schrodingers_cat: I not only meow and chirp back at my Penny, I talk to her. I’m home sick today, and my SO is snickering because I just scolded her for getting up on the counter to investigate my cup of ThroatCoat tea. “It’s so cute to hear you speak to her with such exasperation, ‘WHAT are you DOING up here?!'” he exclaimed. Well, what am I going to do, ignore her when she speaks to me?
WaterGirl
@ruemara: If Trump were actually capable of understanding what you said there, that would really leave a mark.