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Schmidt just says fuck it, opens a tea shop.

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Something needs to be done about our bogus SCOTUS.

This really is a full service blog.

I was promised a recession.

Incompetence, fear, or corruption? why not all three?

Only Democrats have agency, apparently.

Everybody saw this coming.

Americans barely caring about Afghanistan is so last month.

The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.

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You are here: Home / Politics / Trumpery / Dolt 45 / Tuesday Morning Open Thread: Actions Have Consequences

Tuesday Morning Open Thread: Actions Have Consequences

by Anne Laurie|  January 29, 20194:42 am| 138 Comments

This post is in: Dolt 45, How about that weather?, NANCY SMASH!, Open Threads, All we want is life beyond the thunderdome

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Mother may I https://t.co/QDkWrJxnIB

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) January 28, 2019

Positive reinforcement, as the behaviorists say. Trump performed his task (ended his pointless shutdown) on command; as a reward, he gets to stand in front of ALL THE CAMERAS and tell everyone how great & powerful he is. Win-win!

… The State of the Union is the biggest annual event for political Washington, and the logistics needed to put it together are formidable. Security for the address is extraordinary, as the president, vice president, Cabinet members, Congress, Supreme Court, military leaders and diplomatic corps gather inside the Capitol.

The event is declared a “National Special Security Event,” meaning extensive resources and thousands of personnel from the federal government — including some military troops — are brought in to help guard the area.

For the media — especially the TV networks — the address requires a huge investment in equipment and resources as well. Hundreds of reporters attend the session, with Statuary Hall turned into an “interview room” for dozens of TV cameras.

Will Trump use the occasion to attack his perceived enemies? No doubt — but remember, right now, that includes all the Wingnut Welfare Wurlitzer mouthpieces (Ann Coulter, Breitbart, the Federalist) calling him bad names becauses he ‘caved’ on The WAAAHLL. Nancy, as he calls her, has given him a public show of ‘respect’ with her letter; his favorite Fox News analysts are caught between disbelief and derision. Lord Smallgloves has a short memory and a shorter capacity for gratitude; Steve Miller may write speeches that get lauded by all the Reicht people, but Miller’s not the guy being yelled at by Sean Hannity.

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Tragically negative reinforcement:

THEY DON’T EVEN HAVE A COLOR TO DESCRIBE HOW COLD IT’S GOING TO BE pic.twitter.com/p1aMriPMh5

— Patrick Fenelon ? (@Patrick_Fenelon) January 28, 2019


In the beautiful Midwest, windchill temperatures are reaching minus 60 degrees, the coldest ever recorded. In coming days, expected to get even colder. People can’t last outside even for minutes. What the hell is going on with Global Waming? Please come back fast, we need you!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 29, 2019

Hi folks long story short it's going to be record cold in the Midwest this week because it got too f***ing warm in the Arctic. This is the future. Send this to the smartass 'how about this global warming huh' boomer in your life. https://t.co/kYis1Ta4AX pic.twitter.com/CAWsaYrAkh

— Zeddy (@Zeddary) January 29, 2019

On the opposite side of our groaning globe, per Gizmodo:

Australia’s blistering heat wave began in December and has only intensified since then. So far the country has had record runs of hot days and its hottest night ever recorded. Now, catastrophic bush fires have turned the Tasmanian sky red and conditions are expected to become more calamitous later this week.

The Tasmania Fire Service has been battling dozens of blazes across the state over the weekend and into the start of the week. The largest fire is burning near Lake Echo and nearing 100,000 acres in size. Numerous other fires and challenging conditions have stretched the fire agency thin…

Those temperatures are fairly mild compared to the suffering in other parts of Australia where triple digit temperatures have been the norm. Tasmania is much milder than the rest of the country, though. Owing to its small size, its climate is heavily moderated by cooler ocean winds. But the anomalous warmth is having the same impact as it would.

Like everywhere else on the planet, climate change is altering the equation and leading to hotter conditions and increasing the odds of more destructive fires. Tasmania saw unprecedented bush fires in 2016 through the same World Heritage Area burning this time around. As temperatures rise even further, previously unburned areas could become more flammable and with that, resources will be stretched ever thinner.

Thoughts & prayers!

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  1. 1.

    Steve in the ATL

    January 29, 2019 at 5:05 am

    Freaking morons.

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    Czanne

    January 29, 2019 at 5:06 am

    My teenage niece, B in Georgia, could really use every positive thought anyone has to spare. She got T-boned yesterday, SUV vs ATV, and she wasn’t in the safer vehicle. She’s in the bad shape where you count minutes, and we just need more of them. She’s got youth, neuroplasticity, and an incredible children’s hospital on her side, but she could use more luck in just staying alive. And her mom, D, could use the good thoughts, too, because I’m Denver Metro, our other sibs and parents are further west, so D’s at the second by second stage.

    So if you’ve got any positive thoughts you’re not using, please keep both of them in mind.

  3. 3.

    Anne Laurie

    January 29, 2019 at 5:12 am

    @Czanne: Owww. Holding your whole family, but especially B, in the light!

  4. 4.

    p.a.

    January 29, 2019 at 5:22 am

    @Czanne: hugs

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    JPL

    January 29, 2019 at 5:26 am

    It’s 50 degrees so no snow for us. Maybe I’ll call the young man next door to walk the dogs before the cold weather moves in. It’s nice to have school canceled for a non event.

    @Czanne: I assume she’s at Scottish Rite or Egleston and both are excellent care centers.
    I’ll keep you in my thoughts and hope that she is okay.

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    Baud

    January 29, 2019 at 5:44 am

    @Czanne: Best wishes to B.

  7. 7.

    Betty Cracker

    January 29, 2019 at 5:48 am

    @Czanne: How terrible. Keeping good thoughts for your niece and your entire family.

  8. 8.

    CZanne

    January 29, 2019 at 5:52 am

    @JPL: Sav, not ATL.

  9. 9.

    JPL

    January 29, 2019 at 5:58 am

    @CZanne: Keep us updated. Although it will be difficult you should try to get some shut eye.

  10. 10.

    rikyrah

    January 29, 2019 at 6:23 am

    Good Morning, Everyone ???

  11. 11.

    Baud

    January 29, 2019 at 6:24 am

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

  12. 12.

    rikyrah

    January 29, 2019 at 6:24 am

    @Czanne:
    Sending her prayers

  13. 13.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 29, 2019 at 6:27 am

    So this thread has been up for over an hour? And yet it would not appear on my screen until 5 mins ago? Even after refreshing a dozen or more times?

    Is it just me or does anybody else have this happen?

  14. 14.

    satby

    January 29, 2019 at 6:30 am

    @Czanne: keeping you in my thoughts and hoping that she improves rapidly and is out of danger soon.

  15. 15.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    January 29, 2019 at 6:30 am

    Did anybody else have problems getting to this thread, I had to go though the link on Cole’s twitter feed. It wasn’t showing on the Front Page even when I refreshed.

    ETA: @OzarkHillbilly: Oh good it’s not just me.

  16. 16.

    WereBear

    January 29, 2019 at 6:30 am

    @Czanne: Many positive thoughts to the whole family.

  17. 17.

    Betty Cracker

    January 29, 2019 at 6:32 am

    @OzarkHillbilly & @?BillinGlendaleCA: Weird. The page is working as expected for me on both Windows laptop and iPhone.

  18. 18.

    Nicole

    January 29, 2019 at 6:34 am

    @Czanne: I’m so sorry, and sending thoughts for recovery. Please keep us updated, if you can.

  19. 19.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 29, 2019 at 6:34 am

    Good swimming weather!

    Ooo! It’s rare to capture the birth of a Canadian on film! Seeing Mother Nature in action is a beautiful thing.

    The way the new cub/pup/?* shakes off the icy afterbirth is so cute. I never realized how self-sufficient they are at birth.

    * We need to come up with a word for a newborn Canadian; any suggestions?

  20. 20.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    January 29, 2019 at 6:35 am

    @Betty Cracker: FYWP is probably just discriminating against those of us west of the Mississippi. We’re used to it.

  21. 21.

    WereBear

    January 29, 2019 at 6:35 am

    I don’t plan to pick a favorite Presidential candidate until the primaries, but so far, I love the way they are so diverse in background and rather consistent in message.

    Our side has the best of all possible worlds in mind.

  22. 22.

    Eural Joiner

    January 29, 2019 at 6:35 am

    My daughter just moved from SC to Chicago for graduate school – yeah, the weather there is a bit different, apparently! (Good news – everything has been cancelled for Wednesday)

  23. 23.

    Baud

    January 29, 2019 at 6:35 am

    I see the new VIP Early Access feature is working as designed. Awesome.

  24. 24.

    Shantanu Saha

    January 29, 2019 at 6:35 am

    “What the hell is going on with Global Warming?”

    It’s up at the North Pole opening a new front in the War on Christmas. Santa can’t hold out much longer. He needs all you warriors to come up to the far north to beat back the heat.

  25. 25.

    BruceFromOhio

    January 29, 2019 at 6:36 am

    Steve Miller may write speeches that get lauded by all the Reicht people, but Miller’s not the guy being yelled at by Sean Hannity.

    For a moment of Zen I imagined Steve Miller Band performing the SOTU address. As ever, Anne Laurie, you have a helluva way with words.

    @Czanne: oh no! How very sad, please know we’re pulling for you all.

  26. 26.

    Immanentize

    January 29, 2019 at 6:37 am

    @Czanne: Everything I got on that poor kid.

  27. 27.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 29, 2019 at 6:38 am

    @Betty Cracker: This has been an ongoing issue for me, tho usually it’s only a 5-15 minute lag. never an hour before. I use Firefox. Maybe that’s the problem?

    @Czanne: Fingers crossed.

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    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    January 29, 2019 at 6:39 am

    @Baud: :P.

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    trnc

    January 29, 2019 at 6:40 am

    Good explainer for Pres Ind 1 in the twitter feed.
    https://twitter.com/CaslerNoel/status/1090117163153793027

  30. 30.

    Immanentize

    January 29, 2019 at 6:40 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: @?BillinGlendaleCA:
    New features installed in blog update detect trouble makers and make them wait?

  31. 31.

    Lapassionara

    January 29, 2019 at 6:40 am

    @Czanne: Oh, how sad. Thinking positive thoughts, at least I am trying.

    Good morning, everyone. Which version of Trump do you think will show up for the SOTU? The “I can read a TelePrompTer and stay on script” or the “let me free-associate my darkest fantasies” version?

  32. 32.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    January 29, 2019 at 6:41 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: I’ve not had much problem in the past, but today I did on both Chrome and Edge on Win10.

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    NotMax

    January 29, 2019 at 6:43 am

    Distinctly recall one January night when was living in St. Paul that the weather announced a wind chill of minus 84. That was the January (1977, IIRC) when at no time during the entire month did it ever get above zero, day or night.

    @OzarkHillbilly

    The front page delay happens more and more often with the pre-scheduled morning threads. Nearly all the time now. All that varies is the time of the delay – sometimes five minutes, occasionally as long as an hour before showing up on front page. Yet they show up as a link on the elephant ear tabs in the previous thread right on the time they’re supposed to.

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    OzarkHillbilly

    January 29, 2019 at 6:43 am

    @Baud: How much does it cost? Never mind, not worth a penny more than what I’m paying now.

  35. 35.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 29, 2019 at 6:44 am

    @Immanentize: Damn, no place to hide.

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    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    January 29, 2019 at 6:44 am

    @NotMax: Didn’t see them on the tabs on the side either.

  37. 37.

    NotMax

    January 29, 2019 at 6:45 am

    Random query. Anyone played My Time in Portia yet? Looks mostly fun and not too taxing, and boy oh boy is Steam ever pushing the heck out of it.

    More bigfoot cartoony and rainbowy vibrant than is my usual inclination but that’s not necessarily a deal breaker.

  38. 38.

    Baud

    January 29, 2019 at 6:46 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Invitation only.

  39. 39.

    Immanentize

    January 29, 2019 at 6:46 am

    @NotMax:
    That is worthy information. From the middle of the Pacific, no less. Thanks

  40. 40.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 29, 2019 at 6:48 am

    @NotMax:

    Yet they show up as a link on the elephant ear tabs in the previous thread right on the time they’re supposed to.

    I’ve noticed that, but it did NOT happen this time. I was in the previous thread refreshing, expecting to see the tab, never came up. Another thing I have noticed is that comments won’t show up thru repeated refreshings, but if I make a comment? A previously unposted dozen will suddenly appear.

    It’s weird.

  41. 41.

    satby

    January 29, 2019 at 6:48 am

    @Baud: ??!

    @Betty Cracker: bet it’s the hosting site backups running long.

  42. 42.

    Immanentize

    January 29, 2019 at 6:48 am

    I hope these buffoons, like Trump, only make the “it’s cold outside, so where is global warming?” Comments to piss off the libs. Because if Trump really thought that was true, well wouldn’t we all be in trouble!

    PS. As he has tweeted this twice, expect it at the SOTU if it’s cold somewhere.

  43. 43.

    germy

    January 29, 2019 at 6:49 am

    This clip didn’t make it into the ABC, NBC or CBS nightly news:

    ‘It feels like I’m at a firefighters conference and no one’s allowed to speak about water.’ — This historian wasn’t afraid to confront the billionaires at Davos about their greed pic.twitter.com/TiXSJZd89M— NowThis (@nowthisnews) January 29, 2019

  44. 44.

    NotMax

    January 29, 2019 at 6:49 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA

    Have seen days when the On the Road post shows up and it is much as 45 minutes later that the morning post shows up – underneath it. But if one goes into the comment page for the OTR post, the navigation back to the morning post is there on the side. Blog entropy is a cruel and arbitrary taskmaster.

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    OzarkHillbilly

    January 29, 2019 at 6:50 am

    @Baud: Figures. That hurt my feeling and it’s the last one I have!

  46. 46.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??

    January 29, 2019 at 6:51 am

    @Czanne:
    I’m so sorry. I’ll keep you, your niece, and her mom in my thoughts.

  47. 47.

    Baud

    January 29, 2019 at 6:52 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Have one of mine. I’m not using it.

  48. 48.

    NotMax

    January 29, 2019 at 6:53 am

    @OzarkHillbilly

    Also the number of comments for a post showing on the front page bearing little to no relation to the actual number on the comments page proper. As well as clicking on a front page post which is showing X number of comments and getting to the comments page with zero comments there until it us refreshed, sometimes repeatedly.

  49. 49.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??

    January 29, 2019 at 6:54 am

    @satby:
    Just wanted to quickly say I’ll be trying harder from now on to not derail threads. I can imagine that can be annoying and I haven’t been very considerate. Again I apologize.

  50. 50.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 29, 2019 at 6:55 am

    @Baud: No thanx, I had all mine surgically removed during my divorce. The quack missed one tho. I thought about suing but the lawyer said I needed to put up my soul as collateral, and that was the end of that.

  51. 51.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??

    January 29, 2019 at 6:56 am

    @NotMax:
    That always happens on my desktops and laptop for some reason, never the mobile site on my phone. It’s mildly annoying.

  52. 52.

    CliosFanboy

    January 29, 2019 at 6:57 am

    @Czanne: Sending good wishes to you and her………..

  53. 53.

    WereBear

    January 29, 2019 at 6:57 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: You can never go wrong flushing the cache.

  54. 54.

    Barbara

    January 29, 2019 at 6:59 am

    @Eural Joiner: My husband lived in student housing for the last “coldest day” in Chicago and he has not yet forgotten it even though it was 34 years ago.

    @Czanne: Sending many positive thoughts from Virginia. Wishing your niece the best.

  55. 55.

    NotMax

    January 29, 2019 at 7:00 am

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    Dude, let it go. You could write a short story about a piece of software/malware which does that. Call if The Shimano Derailer.

    ;)

  56. 56.

    MagdaInBlack

    January 29, 2019 at 7:02 am

    I…am about to venture out in to The Chicago Polar Vortex ?
    I chose to stay home yesterday but have no excuse today. Accuweather says minus 19 windchill now, so balmy.
    Gods bless remote start ✨

    @Czanne:
    All our thoughts are with you and your niece ?

  57. 57.

    satby

    January 29, 2019 at 7:02 am

    If I have to choose my climate catastrophes, I have to say that the polar vortex visiting is easier for me to suffer through than baking heat, wildfires, and drought. Most places will close for the day and the 4-6 inches of snow is insulating the plants.
    Like all climate related disasters, I worry about the people and animals that lack sufficient shelter though. I made sure the negligent cat owner across the street took his cat in and that my warning shelters for any other critters are still working. Now we hunker down for a couple of days.

  58. 58.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??

    January 29, 2019 at 7:03 am

    @NotMax:
    I have. This was the last time I was going to bring it up. I just wanted to properly apologize and awknowledge my mistake.

  59. 59.

    satby

    January 29, 2019 at 7:04 am

    @??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: gracias

  60. 60.

    NotMax

    January 29, 2019 at 7:04 am

    @NotMax

    Correction: it, not if.

    And for anyone who doesn’t get the reference up above, it’s a bicycling play on words.

  61. 61.

    Barbara

    January 29, 2019 at 7:05 am

    @NotMax: 1976-1977 is the coldest winter in my living memory. I did not go to school for two weeks because rivers froze and coal barges could not get through to stock power plants, and my school had its own heating plant. That was in Pittsburgh, much further south than Minnesota.

  62. 62.

    debbie

    January 29, 2019 at 7:05 am

    @Czanne:

    Positive thoughts winging their way to your niece.

  63. 63.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 29, 2019 at 7:06 am

    @WereBear: My wife would never let me near a toilet again.

  64. 64.

    debbie

    January 29, 2019 at 7:08 am

    I wish Pelosi had held off on her invitation. I can’t help but think this won’t work out well for Democrats. Forty-five uninterrupted minutes of hearing how everything is their fault.

  65. 65.

    Cermet

    January 29, 2019 at 7:09 am

    @Czanne: So terrible to hear; wishing her all the best and hopefully, she improves and there is no lasting neurological effects.

  66. 66.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??

    January 29, 2019 at 7:09 am

    @NotMax:
    I got it. : ) Maybe I will.

  67. 67.

    NotMax

    January 29, 2019 at 7:09 am

    @Barbara

    Hear ya loud and clear on that. Can remember walking down paths shoveled in the snow that winter, with the walls of white stuff on either side higher that the top of my head.

  68. 68.

    What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?

    January 29, 2019 at 7:10 am

    @Czanne: That’s tragic. Keeping B and your family in my thoughs.

    @NotMax: I was in Michigan for that Winter but was too young to remember clearly which winter it was or how cold it got. I remember the blizzard of ’78 because that’s the first time I remember getting snow days from school.

    ’93-’94 was the coldest winter I can distinctly remember. It was cold all winter long. I was working at an outdoor outfitter/ski shop. Spent my free time XC skiing as it never got anywhere near warm enough for any snow to melt. Several of us from the shop decided to try out winter camping – just an overnight. Got down to 22 below. Jeebus was that cold. We all skied into a camping spot near Sleeping Bear Dunes and all had our water in plastic Nalgene water bottles. Everyone’s water froze solid and you can’t warm up a plastic bottle at a bonfire. Luckily a couple people brought camp stoves and cook pots so we could melt snow. So many stars that night.

  69. 69.

    BlueGirlFromWyo

    January 29, 2019 at 7:11 am

    @Czanne: Best wishes and hugs to B.

  70. 70.

    satby

    January 29, 2019 at 7:12 am

    Ironically, Amazon photos just reminded me that I was in Thailand teaching English five years ago today, and when I came back from that trip there was about a foot of snow on the ground and a polar vortex that lasted around a week. I seem to remember that the surface of Lake Michigan froze over completely that year (I think).

  71. 71.

    NotMax

    January 29, 2019 at 7:15 am

    @debbie

    Not at all. Rather, based on the message first delivered about not scheduling the SOTU she has now shown herself to be an honorable person who keeps to her word.

    Unlike someone at the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue I need not name.

  72. 72.

    satby

    January 29, 2019 at 7:17 am

    @What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?: the day I learned to x-country ski it was -25 real temp, not wind chill, and it was around 1976-7. And it was such exercise we were shedding the top layers of coats because we got hot. For a few minutes anyway.

  73. 73.

    satby

    January 29, 2019 at 7:19 am

    @NotMax: agree. Plus everyone, even his fanbois, know Drumpf is a lie machine.

  74. 74.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    January 29, 2019 at 7:19 am

    @Czanne: I hope today goes well for B. How awful.

  75. 75.

    JPL

    January 29, 2019 at 7:21 am

    @debbie: That’s how I felt initially, but then I remembered Nancy knows what she’s doing.

  76. 76.

    joel hanes

    January 29, 2019 at 7:22 am

    @NotMax:

    That was the January

    Yes. This is just the return of what, back in 1964 or so, we in northern Iowa regarded as a normal late January/early February. I carried a paper route, and I remember a February week in which it never got above 20 below, still-air temp. Ice on the lake over four feet thick, and you could hear the booming and zinging of the pressure cracking half a mile away on a still night.

  77. 77.

    gkoutnik

    January 29, 2019 at 7:22 am

    I’ve read all the comments so far, and it looks like I have to be that guy. “Negative reinforcement” means that you remove an aversive condition in response to positive action toward the desired behavior by the subject. For instance, in a plea agreement the ‘desired behavior’ is info re; the crime(s) and/or guilty plea to a lesser charge; the ‘aversive condition’ removed is a certain span of years in prison, etc. You probably meant “positive punishment.”

  78. 78.

    NotMax

    January 29, 2019 at 7:25 am

    @satby

    Told the story before, but what the heck.

    It was that same winter. Necessary to wake up at intervals to bundle up and trot down to the car in order to start it up and let it rung for a while, otherwise the battery would be deader than dead come the morning.

    Anyway, grabbed the crescent wrench which was kept inside the car, because the clamps on the battery terminals always also needed to be tightened in that weather and popped the hood. Flashlight in one hand. Don’t recall why but needed the other hand for something and without thinking about it stuck the wrench in my mouth in order to to free up that hand.

    Think the flagpole scene from A Christmas Story.

  79. 79.

    debbie

    January 29, 2019 at 7:28 am

    @JPL:

    I sure hope you’re right.

  80. 80.

    Betty Cracker

    January 29, 2019 at 7:34 am

    It’s 34 F right now, which is damned cold for this part of Florida.

  81. 81.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    January 29, 2019 at 7:34 am

    @NotMax: Ack! When my son was in kindergarten, he stuck his tongue to a pole at recess because he’s seen it on TV and wanted to know what it was like. Never did that again, so I guess he’s capable of learning.

  82. 82.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 29, 2019 at 7:35 am

    @debbie: In Nancy we trust.

  83. 83.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    January 29, 2019 at 7:35 am

    @Betty Cracker: It’s -3 in Chicagoland, which is 7 degrees warmer than tomorrow’s predicted high. My writer group actually cancelled it’s meeting because we were afraid of dying.

  84. 84.

    Kay

    January 29, 2019 at 7:37 am

    Jonathan Martin
    ‏Verified account
    @jmartNYT
    8h8 hours ago
    More
    Why Kamala folks should be happy: she’s warm, engaging and connects on personal level w audience
    Why Kamala’s rivals should be happy: her breezy answer on eliminating private insurance and uncertainty about what to say on the billionaires question suggest debate vulnerabilities

    Maybe in the Democratic primaries but I can confidently assure her that if she gets to debates with Trump she just needs to figure out to how to parry a barrage of bellowed, rambling lies. She’ll probably also have to bring up health care and taxes herself. There won’t be any moderator questions on them.

    It’s difficult to parry a barrage of bellowed rambling lies, we know that now, but let’s not pretend the issue is one of preparation or intellect. She’ll have to figure out how insert issues into debates consisting entirely of Trump yammering lies and insults. That’s a different skill altogether. Nancy Pelosi is the only person who has cracked that code so far.

    Any substantive debate will be conducted entirely within the Democratic primary. Then the garbage part starts. She’ll need two strategies, one issues based and the other bullshit based.

  85. 85.

    NotMax

    January 29, 2019 at 7:40 am

    Japanese movie (Key of Life) running in the background. Does have its share of funny moments but dang, it is the slowest moving comedy have ever seen.

  86. 86.

    Baud

    January 29, 2019 at 7:40 am

    @Kay:

    but let’s not pretend the issue is one of preparation or intellect. 

    If anything, she should avoid being over-prepared.

  87. 87.

    Thoughtful David

    January 29, 2019 at 7:42 am

    @NotMax:
    Got it.
    I have an ancient Motobecane Mirage with a Shimano on it.

  88. 88.

    NotMax

    January 29, 2019 at 7:43 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor

    Balmy (hah) 56 here, windy and raining to beat the band.

  89. 89.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 29, 2019 at 7:43 am

    @Kay: She’s doomed, DOOOOOOMED I tell you!

  90. 90.

    Baud

    January 29, 2019 at 7:45 am

    @Kay:
    @OzarkHillbilly:

    I just saw that the tweet is from the NYT. I thought it read like garbage.

  91. 91.

    Emma

    January 29, 2019 at 7:47 am

    @Czanne: All blessings I have accumulated I willingly give to little B. May her recovery be fast and painless.

  92. 92.

    low-tech cyclist

    January 29, 2019 at 7:48 am

    @Czanne: Sending prayers, thoughts, and positive vibes.

  93. 93.

    NotMax

    January 29, 2019 at 7:48 am

    @Baud

    The garbage of record?

    ;)

  94. 94.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 29, 2019 at 7:51 am

    @NotMax: A record of garbage.

  95. 95.

    Honus

    January 29, 2019 at 7:52 am

    @Barbara: that’s what I recall too. I’m from New Martinsville, about 40 miles south of Wheeling. It was the first time the river had frozen over since the thirties. The thought was EPA had cleaned enough chemicals out of the water to allow it to freeze.

  96. 96.

    low-tech cyclist

    January 29, 2019 at 7:53 am

    @Kay:

    It’s difficult to parry a barrage of bellowed rambling lies, we know that now, but let’s not pretend the issue is one of preparation or intellect. She’ll have to figure out how insert issues into debates consisting entirely of Trump yammering lies and insults. That’s a different skill altogether. Nancy Pelosi is the only person who has cracked that code so far.

    I disagree. Hillary Clinton did an excellent job of it, and had improved her position in the polls substantially over the course of the three debates.

    She would be President now if James Comey and the FBI, with abundant assistance of our compliant ‘liberal’ media, hadn’t turned the last eleven days before the election into a special Butter Emails Fest.

  97. 97.

    JPL

    January 29, 2019 at 7:55 am

    @NotMax: It was 51 when I woke and its now 46. No snow for us. The temperature is going to go down to a low of 21. Definitely warmer though than my northern neighbors. Thursday NYC is suppose to be a high of 19. I imagine my niece will not be a happy camper.

  98. 98.

    JPL

    January 29, 2019 at 7:56 am

    @Baud: Because it is garbage.

  99. 99.

    Betty Cracker

    January 29, 2019 at 7:56 am

    @Kay: A “fourth wall”-style response to the big fat whoppers Trump utters during a debate might be an effective way to handle a barrage of lies. Pretty much everyone knows Trump is a liar and that it’s pointless to argue with someone so detached from reality. So, for example, if Trump repeats the bizarre and creepy lies about an epidemic of duct-taped women kidnapped by coyotes (human or canine — who can say?) and spirited across the border in super cars, Harris or whomever is the nominee could look into the camera and say, “We all know that bizarre fantasy isn’t true, but here’s what’s actually happening at the border and some ideas to fix it…” Maybe the key is to engage Trump as little as possible and stubbornly insist on addressing real issues. It won’t be easy.

  100. 100.

    NotMax

    January 29, 2019 at 7:58 am

    Anyone seen hide or hair of TenguPhule?

  101. 101.

    MomSense

    January 29, 2019 at 7:59 am

    @Czanne:

    Sending all the positive thoughts and prayers to B. I’m so sorry this happened to your family.

  102. 102.

    Kay

    January 29, 2019 at 7:59 am

    @Baud:

    They had like 37 candidates on the GOP side in the last primary – literally their best and brightest- and all they talked about was Trump insulting Jeb Bush. Then we moved on to Trump insulting Ted Cruz and then Marco Rubio. The general was Trump insulting Hillary Clinton.

    I do think Democrats are getting better at it, adjusting to the collapse of norms. They had a midterm election that focused on health care and Pelosi kept the shutdown fight fact-based.

    Trump benefited from the continued (false) belief that norms of behavior still applied and he would reach some limit of horribleness beyond which he would not go. They know him now. That’s over. No one even looks for Republicans to rein him in anymore- we all assumed they would go along with the shutdown, and they did. The one and only question was what would the Democrats do.

  103. 103.

    NotMax

    January 29, 2019 at 8:01 am

    @JPL

    Thursday NYC is suppose to be a high of 19.

    Helen Queensback is not to blame.

    :)

  104. 104.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 29, 2019 at 8:02 am

    No Republican senators have signed onto a bill to give federal contractors backpay after the shutdown

    Many federal contractors, unlike other government employees, are not expected to get back pay for the paychecks they missed during the 35-day shutdown. Because they work for a third-party company that the government pays for its services, contractors don’t get paid when these services aren’t used. During past shutdowns, contractors have been forced to simply chalk up this gap in pay as a loss.

    As many as 580,000 contractors, including cafeteria workers, security guards, and IT consultants could be affected by the shutdown in this way, according to NYU public service professor Paul Light. (Depending on the company they work for, some contractors may have received their pay uninterrupted during the shutdown.)

    For those who did see breaks in their wages, it’s a gaping hole they’re being asked to recover from with little recourse. “Thirty-five days is a historically long shutdown,” says Van Hollen. “The economic pain and damage was more severe [than past ones.] There are lot of people who were left out in the cold for no fault of their own.”

    Feature, not a bug.

  105. 105.

    Ben Cisco

    January 29, 2019 at 8:04 am

    @Czanne: That’s awful! Have you all in my thoughts and hoping for the best.

  106. 106.

    Raven

    January 29, 2019 at 8:08 am

    @BruceFromOhio: Sheriff says is your name stevie “guitar” miller in a very deep voice
    And i said yes sir brother sheriff, and that’s your wife on the back of my horse."

  107. 107.

    Another Scott

    January 29, 2019 at 8:09 am

    @??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: “Do, or do not. There is no try.” – Yoda.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  108. 108.

    Kay

    January 29, 2019 at 8:10 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    It won’t be easy.

    I like the fourth wall idea. It isn’t easy. I sympathize with media on it and I’m impatient with the people who think it’s easy and insist that if they just kept saying “liar!” it would be fixed.

    Early in my career I got in trouble at a hearing because I touched the lying witness with a piece of paper I was showing her, which she was denying. Denying that the words on the page said what they said. You’re not supposed to get so close to them and obviously you can’t be jamming things into their face close enough to brush their cheek- very bad, I had to apologize and I was genuinely sorry for losing my temper. It’s fucking crazy-making. I still don’t have any consistent effective method to handle it. Luckily it’s rare. Most people won’t lie blatantly like that. Trump’s the bottom 10%.

  109. 109.

    JPL

    January 29, 2019 at 8:14 am

    CBS This morning just interviewed Schultz, and from the little I saw there was a lot of push back about his delusional plans to run for president as an independent. I did not hear the entire interview, because life is so short.

  110. 110.

    Another Scott

    January 29, 2019 at 8:15 am

    @Czanne: :-(

    Best wishes to all three of you, and your family. Fingers crossed.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  111. 111.

    Baud

    January 29, 2019 at 8:15 am

    @JPL: There’s plenty of push back. There’s also no reason he should care.

  112. 112.

    Elizabelle

    January 29, 2019 at 8:17 am

    @Czanne: Wishing B a full recovery. How frightening for her family and friends.

    Good morning, jackals.

    Here’s something cool: from the Richmond Times Dispatch: list compiled by Micah Mertes of the Omaha World-Herald:

    The 100 best TV shows on Amazon Prime right now

    I’m in the process of rewatching “The Sopranos” and “Deadwood” (my third watch for each show), and I’m starting to suspect that all the best culture has already happened, and we should just keep revisiting it instead of wasting our time trying to create anything new of value. Both shows are on Prime, as are 98 other shows possibly worth your time.

    They’re there in alphabetical order. From 21 Jump Street (Johnny Depp) to “Ab Fab” to Wolf Hall.

    Holy trinity is The Sopranos, Deadwood and The Wire, I guess, with Oz as the origin.

    Got The Twilight Zone (140 episodes) and Ken Burns Vietnam doc series in there too.

  113. 113.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 29, 2019 at 8:18 am

    @germy: Thanx for that.

    “What can we really do to help solve inequality beyond taxes?”

    Here’s an idea: Kill the rich.

  114. 114.

    germy

    January 29, 2019 at 8:22 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: I just get tired of all the “feel good” stories on the evening news about charity (either from the wealthy or from regular folks having a bake sale) rather than systemic inequality. We’ve become gofundme nation. It shouldn’t be necessary.

  115. 115.

    Kay

    January 29, 2019 at 8:22 am

    A couple of years ago I bought the long puffy coat that so many women wear in Chicago that it’s like a uniform – I had resisted because it’s kind of dramatic- longer than a standard dress coat, you’re sort of sweeping around in it- but they are the best. You’re actually warm and they’re very light! Also, royal :)

  116. 116.

    zhena gogolia

    January 29, 2019 at 8:22 am

    @gkoutnik:

    I think your bot went haywire. WTF are you talking about?

  117. 117.

    zhena gogolia

    January 29, 2019 at 8:23 am

    @NotMax:

    I believe Adam said he was giving him a timeout.

  118. 118.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 29, 2019 at 8:24 am

    @germy: Yep. They give $25 mil to a college and have “RichyRich Memorial Hall” built while the students who attend that school mortgage off their lives just to get an education.

  119. 119.

    BretH

    January 29, 2019 at 8:29 am

    @Thoughtful David: good thing your Motobecane had Shimano instead of the garbage French components other bikes cane with. At the bike shop I worked at (a Mel Pinto import shop) we had an old steel crank with a slot cut in it – we used it for straightening teeth on the horrid French cranksets the bikes came with.

  120. 120.

    Immanentize

    January 29, 2019 at 8:36 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    I turned around and she said
    “Why do you always end up down at Nick’s Cafe?”
    I said “I don’t know, the wind just kind of pushed me this way.”
    She said “Hang the rich.”

    Somewhere Down the Crazy River Robbie Robertson

  121. 121.

    WereBear

    January 29, 2019 at 8:40 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: I would actually prefer Take Back Our Money.

  122. 122.

    NotMax

    January 29, 2019 at 8:40 am

    @OzarkHillbilly

    Alternatively…

    :)

  123. 123.

    delk

    January 29, 2019 at 8:50 am

    @Immanentize: one of my favorite albums.

  124. 124.

    chopper

    January 29, 2019 at 8:54 am

    @Shantanu Saha:

    meanwhile australia is like 1000 degrees.

  125. 125.

    chopper

    January 29, 2019 at 8:57 am

    @NotMax:

    growing up outside of chicago, i remember one really nasty winter as a kid where the wind chill got down to something like 60 or 65 below. the next summer it was 110 with the heat index. so a 175 degree swing in the ‘feels like’ temp over 6 or 7 months.

    good times.

  126. 126.

    gene108

    January 29, 2019 at 8:59 am

    @Czanne:

    Praying for a speedy recovery for B

  127. 127.

    stinger

    January 29, 2019 at 9:25 am

    she has now shown herself to be an honorable person who keeps to her word.

    What I like best about it is that she stresses the fact that it’s still an INVITATION and can therefore be withdrawn again at any time. She’s still in charge of the SOTU in that respect.

    This is intended as a reply to NotMax at #71. Among other FYWP issues, when I’m reading a long thread, the site refreshes all by itself, taking me back to the top of the comments and I lose not only my place but the reply function and any comment I may have been writing.

  128. 128.

    Spanky

    January 29, 2019 at 9:35 am

    @NotMax:

    Distinctly recall one January night when was living in St. Paul that the weather announced a wind chill of minus 84. That was the January (1977, IIRC) when at no time during the entire month did it ever get above zero, day or night.

    I remember that January, because that was the year I was living south of you in Balmy Iowa City. The antifreeze in the radiator turned into a lime slushy for, like, three weeks, and I had to hoof it to and from campus along the Iowa River.

    I remember thinking then that there was nothing stopping the wind between me and the Canadian North, and how I was glad that at least I wasn’t in Minnesota.

  129. 129.

    henrythefifth

    January 29, 2019 at 9:40 am

    I hope the Democrats just sit silently and don’t move at all for Trump’s SOTU. That would be something.

  130. 130.

    Mary G

    January 29, 2019 at 9:44 am

    @Czanne: Sending light and prayers to B and your whole family.

  131. 131.

    The Moar You Know

    January 29, 2019 at 10:17 am

    Anyone seen hide or hair of TenguPhule?

    @NotMax: He was last here December 12. A few comments he’d made before that seemed to indicate that being here was stressing him out. Hope the dude’s OK.

  132. 132.

    JR

    January 29, 2019 at 10:21 am

    @BretH: cottered cranks suck

  133. 133.

    JR

    January 29, 2019 at 10:25 am

    @Elizabelle: Enlightened is one of the best shows ever

  134. 134.

    tybee

    January 29, 2019 at 10:50 am

    @Czanne: what part of georgia?

    ETA: just saw the SAV.
    I’m in Savannah, is there anything i can do other than hope for good things?

  135. 135.

    Neldob

    January 29, 2019 at 10:58 am

    @Czanne: Love and light and warm heart beams to her and you and family.

  136. 136.

    Barbara

    January 29, 2019 at 11:16 am

    @What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?:

    Luckily a couple people brought camp stoves and cook pots so we could melt snow. So many stars that night.

    Probably much better as a memory!

  137. 137.

    Leem

    January 29, 2019 at 2:54 pm

    @Czanne: I’m so sorry to hear that. My daughter called sobbing after lunch today that her friend B was hit in Savannah. B has been at our house before for sleepovers, so it really hit home.

  138. 138.

    gkoutnik

    January 29, 2019 at 6:27 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    Tragically negative reinforcement:

    In the text of the post.

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