Great googly-moogly!
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Great googly-moogly!
Open thread!
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Steeplejack
(Bumped up from downstairs.)
I don’t think I’ve got the stomach to watch the hearing live. The Republicans have started their cloud of obstruction literally within the first minute. Mark Meadows moved to postpone the hearing because Cohen’s transcript was released improperly (according to him).
Elijah Cummings is acting phlegmatic and imperturbable, but I don’t know if he’s got the kung fu grip on the situation.
. . . Okay, he started slow, but he’s building up a head of steam. Still not sure I can watch. Might have to check in later.
Yarrow
Predictably, Republican try to derail the hearing before it starts. Rep. Cummings was having none of that.
Elizabelle
@Steeplejack: And Mark Meadows: YOU get a low tumbrel number. Come on down.
You know, his constituents can see this. Other Americans too.
catclub
@Steeplejack:
Kind of like insulting the Judge in your case, then demanding the Judge recuse himself, because he is biased against you.
Yarrow
Ooooh…Cummings is now saying they’re NOT restricting questions related to his testimony. So they can ask about Russia. Heh.
germy
Lanny Davis!!!
Yarrow
Gym Jordan is trying to make it all about the Clintons. Feeling nervous about your future, Gym?
Elizabelle
Jim Jordan is such a dick. You can hear it when he first opens his mouth. Might mute this and skim it later.
Fuck him. I hope he goes down in flames with Trump etc.
geg6
@Yarrow:
Oooooo. Damn, I wish I’d called off.
Yarrow
@Elizabelle: Oh, he will. It’s why he’s yelling so much. He knows they’re coming for him.
A Ghost To Most
Jim Jordan is reason enough to stay out of Ohio. Wutta fucking Nazi.
germy
The republicans are masters of the sound byte.
The video editors over at Fox are saying “Good! We can use this! and this! And this!”
Yarrow
@geg6: It’s actually tough to watch. The Republicans are unbearable.
The Midnight Lurker
This is the best fucking Witch Hunt I’ve ever been on!
Yarrow
Gym Jordan can’t be removed soon enough. He’s appalling. It’s all Clintons, Lanny Davis, somehow Tom Steyer came up in his rant too. I can’t follow all the conspiracy theorizing.
Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
@Yarrow: I lasted less than 30 seconds. I have no patience for the GOP stream of crap coming out of they lying pie holes.
Ivan X
THE GENTLEMAN YIELDED BACK
germy
“That’s how you’re gonna operate???”
Gym Jordan. He needs to be escorted out of the building.
geg6
@Yarrow:
They can’t do that all day. Eventually, they will have to shut up and shit will get real.
Yarrow
Gym Jordan talking down to Rep. Cummings. It’s not a good look. White man shouting at older black man.
The Midnight Lurker
Jordan yields, then wants to make a motion. Cummings says he yielded. Jordan starts whining:
“You got seven minutes! I only got four! Is this how you’re got to operate?!”
FUCKING AWESOME!
Ivan X
(Jordan, at the four minute mark, said he yielded, then he changed his mind, and Cummings told him to eat a dick, as Jordan tried to talk over him, crying unfairness. Breaks my heart. Cummings: “The gentleman yielded back.”)
Yarrow
@The Midnight Lurker: That was hilarious. “You yielded, bitch!”
Brachiator
OT. Pakistan claims it shot down 2 Indian warplanes. Hot news day.
M31
LOL bringing up Clinton in the opening remarks.
They have at least figured out they can’t mention Obama — everyone would go “yeah remember when we had a real President?”
Ivan X
Here’s what I don’t get: Jordan is ostensibly defending Trump by talking about what a lying piece of garbage Cohen is. What does that say about POTUS’s judgment? Doesn’t seem like much of a defense, of character, anyway.
Yarrow
Cohen is straight out of central casting for mob movies. Trump loves “central casting.” No wonder he hired him. He looks and sounds like a fixer.
Brickley Paiste
@Yarrow:
Terrible optics.
bemused
Republicans desperate much?
Yarrow
@bemused: So much.
A Ghost To Most
@Ivan X: When you have neither the law nor the facts to pound on, you pound on the table.
Brickley Paiste
@Yarrow:
Terrible optics.
M31
just was reminded that Jordan is the guy who knew about sexual abuse when he was a high school wrestling coach and didn’t do anything about it
so yeah, typical Republican
Ivan X
Listening to Cohen feign sanctimony and repentance and honor, is, well, a lot.
He was the emergency contact for his kids friends!
la caterina
I just love me a jackal-sourced hearing liveblog. Will contribute when I get back to my desk where I can watch the livestream.
Yarrow
@M31: So many pedos involved in this whole mess. Just disgusting.
germy
Press conference should be… interesting.
A Ghost To Most
The word is that T plans to stay up all night watching.
Good times.
rikyrah
@la caterina:
I know… don’t have to actually watch..I love following these threads…
Leto
I still can’t listen to Cohen speak without hearing Ben Stiller’s imitation of him on Saturday Night Live. Also Gym Jordan talking about sticking to a playbook and then going, “CLINTON CLINTON CLINTON, FAKE DOSSIER, CLINTON CLINTON CLINTON“. A hundred years from now both the Clintons and Obamas will be used as Republican boogie people, scaring children with their promises of “affordable healthcare” and “fair and equitable wages”. The horror, the horror!!!
Frankensteinbeck
@Yarrow:
Republicans love it. I’m being completely serious, here. A lot of what we think is terrible optics they think is “Hell, yeah! Teach that ______ some respect!” It’s one of the keys to Trump’s election.
Barbara
@Steeplejack: I am following Daniel Dale on Twitter. He is reliable and I like his “Canada Dry” approach to the subject matter.
germy
When Cohen said “Trump is good and bad”
For the briefest of moments I thought he’d said “Trump is good in bed.”
Yarrow
Just an update for those following our jackal liveblog, Cohen is still reading his prepared statement so if you read it last night you already know all of it. Interesting to hear him say it though.
Brickley Paiste
@A Ghost To Most:
I mean it’s about him and it’s on television. How could he not?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Cohen says trump’s personal attorneys reviewed his testimony…. are they in trouble, or can they claim they didn’t know he was lying?
M31
@germy: Stormy already addressed that, and the answer is ‘no’
Elizabelle
“Mr. Trump is a racist.
The country has seen Mr. Trump court racists and bigots …. in private he is even worse ….”
Trump supporters: we see those of you who support him for those reasons.
RAVEN
I don’t care if it amounts to a hill o beans, this is great!
Barbara
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Well, it depends on what they knew, but it would probably merit an in camera review by the judge to determine whether there is a valid argument to waive privilege based on crime fraud exception.
Elizabelle
@Barbara: Thank you. Daniel Dale is the way to go when one of these aggressive, bloviating Republicans have the floor.
Yarrow
Cohen keeps saying in his statement “And yet I kept working for him.” I wrote this last night:
The Hoarse Whisperer on Twitter has written about dealing with narcissists. As we watched Cohen go from a Trump loyalist to openly signaling that he was wavering and open to negotiating to finally flipping, the HW wrote about how it works when the scales finally fall from the eyes of someone who has been under the spell of a narcissist. When they finally see they cannot believe they did what they did. Much of this statement reminds me of that. Maybe it’s all bs or maybe it’s Cohen finally seeing what he did because he was under Trump’s spell.
A Ghost To Most
@Brickley Paiste: Plus, it’s not like he has a big day tomorrow.
So glad that asshole wasn’t able to con his way into owning the Buffalo Bills.
Elizabelle
Reading it is one thing.
Hearing this read aloud is stunning. Stunning. A feast of soundbites for the news today.
The Midnight Lurker
@Yarrow:
Is it me, or does it sound like his attorneys had him take ‘diction lessons’ so he wouldn’t sound like a Godfather stereotype?
Barbara
“If I knew I’d win that I would have had the victory party at one of my properties.”
Now that statement sounds totally credible!
zhena gogolia
My God, I have to work — this guy is so entertaining!
Luciamia
@The Midnight Lurker: “Mom! He good a bigger piece of cake than me! ” loL.
Yarrow
@The Midnight Lurker: I think they’ve had him rehearse his statement so he can read it cleanly. We’ll see about his diction as it goes on. He sounds plenty Godfather or Sopranos to me.
germy
Kay
Maggie Haberman
Verified account
The NYTimes riding in to give the Team Trump take. Because they haven’t afforded these people a big enough uncritical platform over the last three years to speak. God forbid we should go 3 hours without hearing from Stone.
They’re so bad at their jobs. No one even knows what their job is anymore. They all need a one paragraph refresher to paste on their desks.
Marcopolo
@Brachiator: Yep, this actually has my attention a lot more than the Cohen hearing.
Caution, this link is to an article but will open up a crappy autoplay thing.
Pakistan says it shot down two Indian jets as Kashmir border crisis deepens
In a normal world the President of the United States would working hard to calm things down & throwing all of our diplomatic resources into this effort. A lot of nuclear war scenarios start with these two countries getting stupid with each other. Instead we get this ridiculousness in Vietnam.
Steeplejack (phone)
@Barbara:
I was wondering whether he would cover this, since Trump is out of the country. I’ll hop on over. Thanks.
Link for those interested.
Yarrow
@Kay: Oh, Maga Haberman knows what her job is. It’s to cover for Trump and his crew.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@zhena gogolia: I’ve been wondering if Cohen would have some kind of reality-show appeal for the kind of people who still think trump is a successful businessman etc because they saw him play one on a reality show, and thus break through with at least a few (percentage wise) of the the lumpenmittel who think it’s all ‘just politics’
trump’s latest sexual assault accuser said at least three times she signed on to his campaign because she thought we could use a businessman in the White House
germy
@Kay:
The thundering hooves of the apocalypse
Barbara
@Kay: It is striking how Haberman has nothing interesting to say, no independent ideas of what to report on, except to be a mouthpiece for Trump and his fellow travelers. It’s easy to dump on Haberman in particular because she is such an obvious stenographer, but in reality, a lot of journalism works this way. If you think about the way Democratic candidates are being treated, a lot of it is just journalists looking for or being contacted by malcontents and somehow ginning that up into a news story without doing much more than regurgitating what they have been told. But yes, Haberman takes the prize in the category of Ventriloquist Journalism.
Yarrow
Trump having Cohen threaten the schools, college board etc. not to release his scores is just priceless. So petty.
germy
@Yarrow:
Benjamin “Bugsy” Siegel
Plato
@Kay:
Doesn’t that stone mofo have a gag order? How is he calling up magat maggie?
SFAW
@Elizabelle:
Much though I’d love to see this — and I absolutely defer to Kay’s wisdom regarding Ohio races, if she says I’m wrong — I think you’re dreaming. Despite the revelations regarding his sick behavior vis-a-vis the college wrestlers, and despite the Traitor-in-Chief being a drag on all red candidates, Jordan got 65 percent of the vote in 2018. In other words: if John Wayne Gacy, or Hitler, or Jeffrey Dahmer ran as a Rethug in the Ohio 4th, he’d win. And if Jesus ran as a Dem, he’d be “a liberal squish,” and lose.
I would love to be wrong about this.
Barbara
@Steeplejack (phone): He is not tweeting the written statement because you can read it yourself. Katy Tur is tweeting the highlights. This is the only value I find in Twitter, to follow specific people for events like this.
Yarrow
@RAVEN: Thought of you when I read Cohen’s comments about what Trump said about going to Vietnam.
Omnes Omnibus
@M31: Jordan was an assistant coach at OSU and the scandal involved college wrestlers.
germy
“And yet, I continued to work for him…”
It’s a repeating refrain. Almost poetic.
Gin & Tonic
@Yarrow:
Thank you for your service.
Elizabelle
All of Cohen’s testimony is both entirely believable — comports with what we already know of the situation and that jackass perching in the White House — and devastating.
Don Jr. going down.
And I love how Cohen tied Trump’s present visit to Vietnam with his avoiding the war on [bone] spurious reasons.
In Trump’s view: “Don Jr. has the worst judgment of anyone in the world.”
That stings. It is mean, probably accurate, and so awful coming from a parent.
Yarrow
@SFAW: He won’t be voted out. He’s caught up in Trump’s illegal actions. That’s what will get him out. Same as Gaetz.
SFAW
@Kay:
Actually, they’re quite good at their jobs. It’s just that their jobs are not to be journalists, but rather to carry water or be uncritical stenographers for the Maladministration.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
that obsequious little speech about Melania — O how I regret lying to our lovely first lady about her husband’s cheating with a porn star, because she’s such a fine person who shouldn’t be so humiliated in public by this story I’m reminding everyone of– is real twist of the knife
(I’m a bit behind because I paused it for a phone call)
Gin & Tonic
@Barbara: Such a shame, because her father was a really good writer and reporter.
A Ghost To Most
Cohen says T considers T jr to be a stupid fuck, not to be solely trusted in his decisions.
The Moar You Know
@Kay: Not 24 hours after the fact and that fucker is violating his goddamn gag order AGAIN. Can we get some jail time, Judge?
Yarrow
From Cohen’s testimony, this is something they can’t make go away:
Tick tock, motherfuckers.
Brickley Paiste
@germy:
And yet he persisted …
A Ghost To Most
@The Moar You Know: Buh bye, Roger. Who won the pool?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@A Ghost To Most: always so telling to me that when Junior told Daddy the Russians wanted to help and wanted him, Junior!, to help them help, Daddy said, “Yeah, that’s great, bring Jared along to make sure you don’t fuck it up”. The son he wishes he’d had.
The Large Adult Children never had a chance. Not that it excuses what miserable adults they are.
The Midnight Lurker
Cohen just accused Trump & Co. of ‘witness intimidation’.
Yarrow
Cummings asking Cohen if he recognizes the gravity of the moment.
Cohen has been disbarred as of yesterday.
germy
JMG
@SFAW: Access journalism is how the White House beat has worked since Kennedy (first President to actively manipulate reporters through it as far as I can remember. FDR manipulated them en masse). But when the President is someone who’d lie about the weather just for practice, access to his words is of no value. Media is like any other business or organization. Tried and true formulas are not easily abandoned when circumstances change dramatically and suddenly.
Fair Economist
@Kay: Note: standard opinion manipulation tactics. She doesn’t claim Cohen is lying (because she herself knows he’s telling the truth) so she reports that one of Trump’s co-conspirators *says* Cohen is lying.
Selective reporting of irrelevant facts.
The Moar You Know
@Elizabelle: Is accurate mean? So far as I can see, it is accurate.
It is awful coming from a parent, but not even the most brainwashed GOPer is going to be nominating Donald Trump as “Parent of the Year”.
rikyrah
@Barbara:
If I ever meet Mr. Dale, I’m going to offer to buy him dinner. That he covers these folks with such clarity astonishes me.
A Ghost To Most
I haven’t had or wanted a drink in months, but today I think I may have one. A monumental day.
germy
Brickley Paiste
@Yarrow:
This sounds morbid in a way, but I am so happy that Cummings is still alive, still sharp, and has the opportunity to act once again as the conscience of this country.
Elizabelle
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I took that a bit to be Cohen currying favor with Melania and reassuring her that she will be treated well if and when she spills. By the court of public opinion.
germy
Frankensteinbeck
@Kay:
As @Plato says, isn’t this violating Stone’s gag order? Stone is obviously shooting for ‘I said three words, that’s it!’ workaround, but does that work?
Fair Economist
@JMG: Haberman is not access journalism. That taints most coverage these days, but Haberman herself is much worse. She’s a friend of Roger Stone and in on the whole conspiracy. Note that even though she has connections to many people involved and *could* choose to mention real facts or information she has learned behind the scene, she *chooses* to tweet obvious lies from a co-conspirator.
Yarrow
They’re talking about Alan Weisselberg who was the CFO of the Trump Org. He goes all the back with that company to Trump’s dad’s days. He knows EVERYTHING and he flipped a long time ago. Mueller has everything from him.
Leto
@Yarrow: I thought about the Khan family.
Elizabelle
@Kay:
@Fair Economist:
I hate that fucker. I hope she gets scathed, and hard, by carrying water for the Trumps and all the terrible, terrible people in their circle. She is Judith Miller [lack of] quality.
different-church-lady
@SFAW: But Jesus was a liberal squish.
Yarrow
Oooooh! Cohen just said he did things to protect Trump AND the three eldest kids. By name.
Elizabelle
Is this the first time Ivanka’s name has come up? And Eric’s? Have missed most of this.
ETA: Oh. It’s Jim Jordan again. But in a normal tone of voice.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Kay:
Haberman was just some celebrity gossip writer before the NYT political desk, right?
Frankensteinbeck
@Elizabelle:
I said in a previous thread that as abusive as Trump is to them, his children may be the only people who don’t think he’ll pardon them. That’s kind of the opposite of what people have been expecting.
Leto
@Frankensteinbeck: I thought the gag order was just for his trial?
Yarrow
Gym Jordan is trying to paint Cohen as a habitual liar and cheat. Cohen is owning his bad actions pretty well. Except now something about a Twitter account.
Elizabelle
Jim Jordan is getting after someone about having a history of lying?
Irony. Here are your smelling salts. Off that couch!
different-church-lady
@germy:
The Midnight Lurker
If I’m going to watch all these hearings, I’m going to have to order some of them NASA diapers off Amazon. I’m afraid to go to the bathroom!
Frankensteinbeck
@Leto:
I don’t know what its limits are. What role Stone had with Wikileaks sounds pertinent to the trial. This is definitely IANAL guessing.
Yarrow
Gym Jordan is a creep. Would not let him near kids. That leer on his face. Yuck.
geg6
@rikyrah:
Not just clarity. But he does it so relentlessly and doggedly. I could not listen to Dolt 45 for hours on end like he does. It’s quite heroic, IMHO.
Gin & Tonic
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: She’s a legacy hire. Dad’s been a big deal at the NYT for 40 years.
Elizabelle
And now Jim Jordan, who has been with the most repugnant of the Republicans for years upon years, is lecturing Cohen for working so long for Trump?
Ten years. What was Jim Jordan doing ten years ago? Now he is smearing Andy McCabe and Jim Comey.
Jordan is a pool of shit. A black hole with no soul.
Brickley Paiste
@Leto:
I think you’re technically right but the fact that Stone would only say 3 words indicates he thinks he was speaking on a subject related to his trial.
Because why not speak volumes if he’s on solid ground?
Like many things before a federal judge, it’s up to Berman and her mood.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
One more gooper who sets my “that boy ain’t right” meter spinning like a top
different-church-lady
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
She still is.
Yarrow
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yep. He sets off all my alarm bells. Creepy as hell.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
again, I’m a bit behind, but Jordan is bringing up the threats Cohen made to the reporter who broke the story that Ivana said trump raped her in a fit of rage over a bad baldness cure…. does he really want to bring that up in this hearing? somebody’s gonna follow up on that, right?
Elizabelle
WaPost website banner headline right now:
A Ghost To Most
The only thing Jordan accomplished was showing the whole country what a full-service asshole he is.
geg6
@different-church-lady:
I was just going to post the same thing. Beat me to it!
Yarrow
Debbie Wasserman-Schultz asking questions now. She’s asking about Wikileaks and Russian collusion.
Elizabelle
NY Times is more shrill. Its banner headline:
Yarrow
Wasserman-Schultz says the Trump org and Trump campaign appear to be “filthy with Russian contacts.” Heh.
Elizabelle
Debbie Wasserman-Schultz:
“Trump campaign appeared to be filthy with Russian contacts.”
I love her wording.
Barbara
@germy: I am also old enough to remember when Republican members couldn’t give two twinkies over receiving the testimony of Elliot Abrams, also convicted for lying to Congress.
trollhattan
@Elizabelle:
Her stint was really effective IMO.
The Midnight Lurker
Oh, fuck Mark Green!
Bitches about gag orders and limited scope of questioning.
Not even asking questions. Just smearing Cohen.
Dick.
Barbara
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: No, she worked for Politico.
Yarrow
Next up is TN Rep Mark Green. He’s doing nothing but reading a statement. I guess Republicans are going with ranting about how awful Cohen is and how terrible Democrats are as their strategy.
Elizabelle
GOP Tool Mark Green of Tennessee up now.
Says Democrats should have an honest person up here testifying.
Is there one associated with the Trump Organization? Or administration?
I want all these GOP Trump defenders disgraced and to jail.
They’re just impugning the witness’s character. They cannot impugn his testimony, because it is very likely honest. No benefit to Cohen for lying.
No benefit to the GOP for telling the truth.
bemused
Trump saying junior is stupid, has the worst judgement of anyone in the world is stupefying.
Rommie
Well, we know what every Elephant is going to trumpet. Not unexpected, but going full asshat is not the best look outside the cult.
germy
“Fake witness!”
Amir Khalid
@Plato:
He just can’t help himself.
Elizabelle
@Yarrow: Makes it more clear than ever that they cannot go after Cohen’s actual statements and testimony. Just his character and legal problems.
I would love to see footage of Americans watching this thing.
bemused
@Yarrow:
They’re all garbage people, if you can even consider them human.
Yarrow
Yep. Priebus sure has been quiet. Heh.
A Ghost To Most
Who’s gonna play Rep. Green in the movie?
different-church-lady
@Barbara: Same thing.
germy
Cohen is one of them. He knows how to bark at these republicans. It’s hilarious.
Elizabelle
Green is giving the remainder of his time to Jim Jordan. Lucky us.
But time is up, and Cohen didn’t understand the question and cannot answer. LOL.
Carolyn Maloney up now.
Yarrow
Cohen: “There was nothing that happened at the Trump Org…that didn’t go through Mr. Trump for his approval and sign offs.”
Yarrow
Cohen mentions Weisselberg again. It’s amazing how little coverage Weisselberg’s flipping has received. He knows EVERYTHING. Going back decades.
Elizabelle
Andy Borowitz, satire from The New Yorker:
A Ghost To Most
@germy: He shut Gym down. That was sweet.
Barbara
@Yarrow: This is why it really helps to have legal training when you question people. Asking questions you don’t know the answer to is always dangerous and no doubt that’s why many of the Republican House members are limiting themselves to impugning Cohen’s character without risking any questions that would elicit facts. They have enough background to know that could be a problem.
The Midnight Lurker
@A Ghost To Most:
A sock puppet with shit smeared on it.
Probably win an award too.
Yarrow
@A Ghost To Most: He knows how to play their game. Republicans are flailing so far.
Now Rep. Maloney is having Cohen describe “catch and kill” for stories.
Elizabelle
“Catch and Kill.”
Aha. Good work, Rep. Maloney. About purchasing rights to unfavorable stories.
eric
If only there were an industry with people on payroll to look into these sorts of things before the election.
Elizabelle
David Pecker and Trump had Catch and Kill arrangements long before Cohen began working for Trump in 2007.
Maloney calls Cohen’s testimony an act (?) of redemption.
Comer, GOP rep from Kentucky up now. Never heard of him before.
Yarrow
Rep. James Comer (R-KY) now. He says Cohen bought a summer home. Cohen says he doesn’t have one.
Now discussing Cohen’s “bank fraud.”
A Ghost To Most
@Yarrow: This Comer gomer is taking worse than he’s giving.
They got nuthin’.
germy
I think they’re getting under Cohen’s skin.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@eric: instead of going to dinner at the White House to plead with trump to stop calling journalists “the enemy of the people”, Paunch Sulzberger or whatever the latest one is should hire back Margaret Sullivan to do a deep report on the NYT’s ’16 coverage, from their complicity with “Clinton Cash” to the infamous “FBI finds no link between trump and Russia” headline, to their current practice of retweeting trump lies as simple, uncommented headlines
Yarrow
Oh, Comer’s line of questioning didn’t work so well for him. Now he’s saying they can’t trust him because he doesn’t tell the truth. Heh.
Elizabelle
Yeah, this is the first GOP who seems to have landed an actual blow on Cohen. Makes me curious.
Comer gets Cohen to admit to being a fool for his association with Trump. Gives up his time to Jordan.
The Midnight Lurker
Cohen and Jordan in it!
All they want to do is discredit Cohen’s testimony. It’s all they got.
Sad.
bemused
I was sent an article entitled “God help us-Cohen is the John Dean of Trump Russia”. As long as Cohen spills everything but he is no John Dean and never will be. Cohen seems to be very determined to spill all and not a bit intimidated by shouty, frantic Republicans. As Rick Wilson said of Cohen, a loser with nothing to lose.
Yarrow
Oooh, Cohen: “Shame you on you, Mr. Jordan!”
Elizabelle
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yes.
I wonder if Margaret Sullivan would be interested in doing that report just for the benefit of journalism. The FTF NY Times stunk. Just stunk.
Yarrow
Eleanor Holmes Norton up now. She wants to know what Trump’s reaction to the Access Hollywood video release was.
A Ghost To Most
Cohen is mega-pissed at Gym, a response for the ages. Gym got pwned
Yarrow
Yep. So far he’s fitting the Hoarse Whisperer’s assessment of how someone who has got out from under a narcissist feels and acts. He can’t believe what he did for Trump. He was a fool.
Yarrow
@A Ghost To Most: If the Republicans keep yielding their time back to Gym we’re going to have more fireworks.
Rommie
I’m rooting for Michael Cohen. The Wingularity IS stranger than you can imagine!
Elizabelle
FTF NY Times has expanded its banner headline:
And all these Republicans in Congress cannot defend Trump enough. We see you, GOP.
germy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Girls_Revolt
Joy Bryant played Eleanor Holmes Norton in “Good Girls Revolt”
Jim, Foolish Literalist
a stunt guest? what the fuckign fuck are these goofs doing?
Yarrow
Mark Meadows has brought in Lynn Patton who works for the Trump org. She’s a black woman and claims she wouldn’t work for a racist. Cohen responds he shouldn’t work for him as a Holocaust survivor.
A Ghost To Most
@Yarrow:
They are fools if they do.
Hell, if I were a D, I’d think about yielding to Gym.
Meadows now up.
Elizabelle
Mark Meadows is dragging in a young black woman who works for the Trump Organization to deny Trump is racist.
Meadows asks for proof that Trump has made racist statements. Implies he does not have proof despite 200 plus tape recordings.
Now going after his fees from Novartis.
Yarrow
Mark Meadows body language is weird. He’s leaning on his hand and half covering his face. He’s telegraphing that he’s hiding something.
Now he’s yelling at Cohen.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Lynne Patton is the NY/NJ wedding planner trump hired to work at HUD because “Urban” means black, just like brain surgeon (and suspected brain donor) Ben Carson is Secretary of HUD because “urban”. But how can people suggest trump is racist?
Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
I’m just refreshing the page and reading y’alls comments…This is fun! And not having to watch it myself is even better!!! Certainly better for my blood pressure….
The Midnight Lurker
HA-HA! Meadows got his ass handed to him.
Jeffro
“Congressional enablers” – OUCH
Plato
Pathetic to see every rethug is a totus toady now. Not one thug amidst these traitors even with a minuscule of principle.
Yarrow
Rep Clay from Missouri up now. Asking about Trump’s assets and valuation.
A Ghost To Most
They’ll have to spin like hell at Fux. This has been a shitshow for the Rs.
Gelfling 545
@Brickley Paiste: I think Stone would be well advised to just shut up. Even when asked if he wants fries with that he should just nod. He can’t help himself though.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Jeffro: I’ve never been a Lanny Davis fan but I suspect a lot of Cohen’s best lines were crafted and coached by Lanny.
Was LD the one whose exclusion the Obama people made a condition of HRC being SoS?
Gin & Tonic
@Yarrow:
??
Stupid motherfucker was born in 1966.
Yarrow
@A Ghost To Most: It has been. The R’s have tried yelling, stunt casting, yielding their time back to Gym Jordan. Nothing has worked.
germy
@A Ghost To Most: Selective editing can do wonders. Fox has been running with that for decades.
rk
They literally had a black woman stand behind them to prove Trump is not a racist. These are cartoons characters. I can’t believe the country votes for them.
Kay
@Elizabelle:
We would have had the racist on tape if the disgusting venal cowards on that other stupid show had released it.
Trump is a team effort. It took a lot of horrible people to make this happen. And they’re all still around, raking in the cash.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Gin & Tonic: “son of a Holocaust survivor”, he made that point in his opening statement
Renie
Why is Jordan the ranking member? Is every GOP rep going to give a speech and then yield to Jordan?
Yarrow
@Gin & Tonic: I may have misquoted him. I think he said the child of Holocaust survivors or descendant of Holocaust survivors or something like that. Apologies.
R-Jud
@Gin & Tonic: I think he actually said “as the son of” a Holocaust survivor.
Plato
@rk:
Racism trumps all.
The Midnight Lurker
Meadows: Put this guy in jail twice!!
Rice: You’re a lying liar! Lanny Davis blah-blah… LIAR!!
germy
@rk:
She has now returned to The Sunken Place.
Wapiti
@germy: I expect, at some level, Cohen is looking at these Republicans and seeing himself, the Trump toady he was. He probably wants to puke right there.
The only difference between him-that-was and them, is they haven’t repeated Trump’s lies under oath or to the FBI.
Yarrow
Oh, great. Jody Hice. Already said “Democrat majority” and “Democrat party.”
germy
“Did you cooperate or prepare with the democrat party?”
Raven
There’s our dickehead Hice!
germy
Cohen is having trouble cutting through all these thick southern Republican accents.
“Can you repeat? I don’t understand”
Elizabelle
Jody Hice: Did you prepare for this hearing with the Democrat majority?
Tiring of these goobers and their lack of class. Cohen keeps asking him to repeat himself. Good tactic. Like they’re not speaking English.
Now asking about Tom Steyer. Can George Soros be far behind?
Yarrow
Cohen says Lanny Davis is working for free. Lanny Davis laughs.
Gin & Tonic
@R-Jud: @Yarrow: Thanks for clarifying.
Yarrow
@Raven: Is Hice your Rep? He seems like an asshole.
Elizabelle
@Raven: My sympathies. Jody Hice is deplorable. And probably proud of it.
Kay
Stormy Daniels did this, folks. She’s the one and only reason this was pursued. It would have been buried. They simply weren’t interesting in pursuing it, because the witness and whistleblower is a low status person.
It’s delicious in a way. A kind of revenge.
Elizabelle
This guy Hice is an asshole. Weapons grade. WTG Georgia.
Keith P.
@germy: cue Chris-Farley-as-Howell-Heflin going “Do you think soft-core porn is the way to go?”
debit
@Kay: Her lawyer is a piece of shit, but Ms Daniels is awesome.
Yarrow
Who’s the Rep. Lynch. I like him! He’s going after Republicans’ hypocrisy and lack of patriotism.
germy
This truly is a continuation of the war between the states.
One side has southern accents. One side has new york accents.
Leto
Not only are the GoPers just grandstanding, but it seems that they’re trying to spin another conspiracy with Lanny Davis and CLINTONS CLINTONS CLINTONS!!! It’s transparent and pathetic.
Elizabelle
@Kay: Yes. Praise be to Stormy Daniels.
She had an opinion piece in the Los Angeles Times a few weeks back. About strippers, and how they should remain independent contractors and NOT employees of the strip clubs they appear at. It was well reasoned.
Raven
@Yarrow: Yep, they have gerrymandered Athens out of existence.
Jeffro
@Yarrow: man, Lynch just laid. the. enablers. OUT
debit
@Leto: I’m waiting for the GOP bench to slowly empty until there are only Democrats left. They have to know this isn’t going well for them.
Jeffro
If the GOP reps in attendance are any indication, the hard core of the trumpublicans really are willing to go down fighting for their man…I would not have believed it if I had not been seeing it happen real-time this past hour…
Yarrow
@Kay: No, Cohen was on the radar well before Stormy Daniels.
germy
The Midnight Lurker
@Yarrow:
MA-08. South Boston. Harvard, I think. He was MA-9th but something happened, I don’t remember.
Jordan is pushing back by listing all the FBI guys fired by Trump.
What a dick.
misterpuff
Hice asks if Cohen had a liaison with Democratic committee heads and Cohen confirmed they communicated. Immediately Fox puts up cryron “I spoke with Democrat party”. They are working hard.
Elizabelle
Love this.
Cohen points out that the lies to Congress were in protection of Donald Trump. It’s the stairway comment WRT deplorable Meadows and Hice attacks.
Elizabelle
The Democrat questioning Cohen concludes with:
“I don’t think my colleagues (?) are afraid you are going to lie. I think they are afraid you are going to tell the truth.”
plato
@germy: Exactly. Has any dem even pointed that out hypocritical backstabbing?
Yarrow
Cohen, about Lanny Davis waiting three years to be paid: “I guess he thinks it’s important.” LOL!
debit
Can I also say that I have gone from utterly despising Cohen to finding him sad. I hope he makes it out of prison okay and has a good rest of his life. He surely is paying for what he’s done.
plato
Elizabelle
Paul Gosar lecturing on duty of loyalty. Duty of confidentiality.
I think of Gosars’ siblings’ loyalty to his political views. Not.
These Republicans are pathological liars. Gosar just supplied that description, attacking Cohen. But. they. are. pathological.
The Midnight Lurker
Gosar: “You ratted out your client! You’re a bad lawyer!”
Kay
@Elizabelle:
They refer to themselves as “dancers” here so I do too. Before debit cards were popular they always paid with wads of cash, which cracks me up :)
Not hundreds of singles. but almost. They looked like bookkeepers busily counting and stacking it up.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Gosar said last fall that he’s an expert in body language because he’s a dentist, right? The one his six siblings made ads against?
rk
Republicans are coming across like a bunch of mean schoolgirls.
Yarrow
@Jeffro: The entire GOP is compromised. The national party.
Gin & Tonic
@The Midnight Lurker: No Harvard. He’s Southie born and bred, used to be a union ironworker like his Dad. Conservadem by Mass standards. Was redistricted in 2010-2012, whenever the last redistricting was, but ran and won in the new district anyway.
Leto
@debit: Gym Jordan going back to the FBI angle. They’re simply playing to the base and the same playbook they’ve used since early 2017. They know it’s a farce and they’re going to keep going with it. They’re all in on the Trump train. Doesn’t matter what damage they do to the republic, they’re goinf to do it.
Also this Gosar fuck just now saying, “liar liar pants on fire”. I’m surprised the motherucker didn’t implode.
joel hanes
@Gin & Tonic:
Such a shame, because her father was a really good writer and reporter.
A good editor would guide her toward being better.
Unfortunately, the politics desk at the FTFNYT does not employ a good editor.
plato
@Elizabelle: Zing. That’s more like it. Attack the rethugs for their lies and covering up for the lying traitor.
JoeyJoeJoe
Hice’s predecessor, Paul Broun, was a nut too. In 2009, he put holy water on the door in the capitol that Obama was going to pass through on the way to be inaugurated. To win the seat, Broun beat a guy who suggested bombing the university of Georgia (minus the football team) for being liberal.
oldgold
“liar, liar pants on fire”
This is embarrassing to watch.
rk
WTF! He literally said “liar liar pants on fire”
Elizabelle
@debit: Cohen does seem sad. Sad eyes. Ashamed of being disbarred.
But maybe prison will be easier than dealing with these lying liar Republicans, attacking him for behavior they have on display themselves.
plato
Elizabelle
Cohen is going to come out of these hearings more credible than the Republican pissants trying to tear his flesh off.
Yarrow
Rep Jim Cooper – D-Tenn up now. Points out the refrain of “And yet I continued to work for him.” Asks what the breaking point was. Cohen says there were several things. Says he’s “responsible for your silliness. I did the same thing you’re doing now. I protected Mr. Trump for ten years.”
“The more people that follow Mr. Trump blindly, the more people that will suffer the consequences that I’m suffering.”
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Cohen to GOP reps: “I did what you’re doing for ten years”, i.e. covering up for and defending trump. I am your future, look upon my works, you oafs, and change your ways before it’s too late.
joel hanes
@JMG:
Access journalism is how the White House beat has worked since Kennedy
Helen Thomas.
So #notallwhitehousereporters
Jeffro
Oh
My
God
…this is just devastating. He just told the GOP to its collective face that they are going to go down for following trumpov.
hilts
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
No, that was Sidney Blumenthal.
Yarrow
@debit: He’s doing a good job of looking like he’s owning his actions. Let us not forget his uncle was in the mob and his father-in-law is also connected to the mob.
Yarrow
Cohen talking about Trump saying he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and get away with it. Says it’s true. He meant it. “You don’t know him. I do.”
Elizabelle
Cohen just said Trump is “becoming an autocrat.”
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@plato:
Wow. Cohen utterly slayed her and Meadows. Is it bad that I’m beginning to get a bit of grudging respect for Cohen?
Gelfling 545
@Elizabelle: Well, we’d like to Mr. Green but the fact is there just weren’t any.
Yarrow
@Jeffro: It’s history. Cohen is amazing. Now saying he would use others to threaten physical harm. Rep: “He’d hire them?” Cohen: “No, they were already working there.”
Jeffro
OMG part 2
OMG part 3
I’m speechless
khead
This is going better than I ever could have expected.
Yarrow
Taking a break now.
germy
“Ten minutes for lunch??”
– Matt Whitaker
The Midnight Lurker
Cohen: TRUMP HAS GOONS EVERYWHERE!!! Can we take a break? Gotta whizz.
PS – Wolf Blitzer sucks.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I always wonder what this stuff looks like to non-political-junkies
Harwood a Villager in good standing, one of the good ones, IMHO
Elizabelle
“Everybody’s job at the Trump Organization is to protect Mr. Trump.”
Every day they lied to protect him. “And it is what is happening in government.” Cohen is clear-eyed and telling the truth, whether the GOP wants to give him credit for it or not.
They take a break. (Was it Cohen’s request?)
Jeffro
@Yarrow: I have been kidding around our house with my wife and kids for well over two years now, “ain’t it amazing, living through truly historic times?”
It’s just not funny anymore and never really was.
This is it folks. Mueller’s next, and soon. I can’t believe it, we are finally here.
misterpuff
The GOP gets visited by Jacob Marley’s oops Micheal Cohen’s ghost. But the happy ending in this Carol will be the headstone proclaiming the GOP RIP.
Leto
@plato: All of that is down the memory hole. The only thing that matters now is that he turned on the family. And you never turn on the family. They’re all penny ante crooks and 48% of the country is perfectly ok with that.
Elizabelle
Maybe a fresh thread for the second part of the testimony? Heading near 300 comments.
plato
LOL.
germy
HalfAssedHomesteader
Is it my imagination or was Cohen giving Jordan a knowing look when he was talking just before the break? Saying in effect everything we did at Trump Org was to protect DT and the same is going on here in govt.
A Ghost To Most
@Jeffro:
Cohen just handed the Rs on the committee their ass.
They may want to rethink their tactics.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
plato
@Leto:
That’s the ugliest truth of this whole ugly drama.
Gelfling 545
@eric: I share my favorite online comment with friends most days. Today yours wins.
hilts
@Elizabelle:
Now CNN is going after Michael Cohen claiming he lied when he said he didn’t want a White House job. Fuck them as well as Haberman.
germy
Vintage 2013 tweet:
Leto
@germy: “Yes, you asshole. We’ve got work to do. Shove that Lunchable in your face and let’s get back to it!”
Betty Cracker
This has been pretty amazing. I think some of the most valuable tidbits are atmospheric — Cohen providing color about the pervasive corruption and goonishness in the Trump Org and how that’s now transferred to the country. That’s some powerful stuff.
Gelfling 545
@Elizabelle: Hasn’t Cohen said as much before now?
Gin & Tonic
@Leto: Does the witness have to use the same bathroom as the Reps, or their staff? Just idly speculating here.
hilts
@Elizabelle:
At this rate, they’ll probably need 3 or 4 more threads
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I wonder how much of this is planned for the last Dem questioners, just before the evening news cycle starts, when trump is drowsy and huffing minibar toblerones, like say a high-profile, media-savvy freshman whose questions are bound to attract eyeballs in any case? Is AOC the one who’s going to ask about NDAs, mistresses and abortions?
A Ghost To Most
@plato: Noxin held public approval until the Dean hearings.
Pie don’t work unless you let it. /K
Yarrow
@Jeffro: You’re right. It hasn’t been funny. But there have been funny moments. Or at least, you have to laugh from time to time to get through.
But you’re right. It’s Mueller time. Bring it on. Traitors gonna pay.
satby
@eric: @Gelfling 545: seriously thinking of putting eric’s comment on Twitter and tweeting it at my newsreader former friend.
The one who kept kvetching about Clinton’s lack of press conferences and her screech lady voice.
A Ghost To Most
@Betty Cracker: Better than the Dean hearings. Cohen gives back better than he takes.
Back to lying liar BS.
misterpuff
Virginia Foxx looks like Wilmer pre-Botox.
brantl
@Yarrow: Guess how bad they probably were?
Wapiti
@Gin & Tonic: Speculating of Cohen turning his stream down Gym Jordan’s leg? I’m sure they have separate facilities for that reason.
hilts
@misterpuff:
Also too, Don Jr and Jared getting indicted and Trump being evicted from the White House.
Leto
Haha, will you promise not to shit talk Trumpov? How transparent are they? This is so stupid.
Elizabelle
Gerry Connolly. Used to be my congressman.
Talks about GOP tactics against Cohen.
Discredit. Slander.
Leto
@Gin & Tonic: “Mr Chairman, Mr Cohen apparently tripped and fell 32 times in the bathroom. We don’t understand what happened but we move to adjourn this hearing immediately.”
Jeffro
Just ran into one of the secretaries here in the break room and while waiting for my soup to heat up remarked, “Isn’t it amazing, living through history? Did you see that testimony this morning?” She said “yeah…wild…it’s like when my husband and I were watching the Lewinsky documentary the other night and couldn’t believe a president could act like that.”
(jaw drop)
Me: “Sure…kind of a difference between covering up an affair and covering up a decades-long criminal organization, though, hmm? Hmm?”
(silence)
I am just not playing around with crazy people any more…
Jeffro
@Elizabelle: That IS my congressman (for another six months, anyway) – GO GERRY!
Sebastian
@Plato:
You bet he was bursting and talked Gaetz into making a statement because he couldn’t himself.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Renie: seniority, and he’s very popular with the base, the Freedom Caucus, etc. Even Gowdy and Chaffetz walked away from that gig
Yarrow
@Betty Cracker: Agreed. It’s amazing. So good.
cmorenc
@A Ghost To Most:
Too many of Jordan’s constituents in OH-4 are full-service assholes or else the sort who deeply admire full-service assholes, else Jordan wouldn’t have coasted to re-election in 2018 with 65% of the vote. The really horrible truth Trump has brought to the surface about contemporary American society is what a formidable portion of our citizenry are full-service assholes or deeply admire same. Thank our lucky stars that Trump is a less competent would-be Mussolini than Mussolini himself was.
Leto
@Jeffro: Bothsiders gotta both side. Again, projection. If the GOP is that horrible, then obviously the Dems have to be as well.
Mike in NC
Whoa, I go out to refill a prescription and suddenly there are 300 comments when I get home. I plan to read them all for the Schadenfreude.
Leto
This Massie Guy has a masters in mechanical engineering from MIT? Maybe they need to revise their white man admissions standards.
Miss Bianca
@Elizabelle: I think the thing that astounds me the most…Trump wrote a *check*? To repay *hush money*?
Jeez, he may not have much regard for his eldest’s mental acuity – and in that, if in nothing else, I wholeheartedly agree with him – but jeez…looks like the horse apple didn’t fall too far from the horse’s ass, if that’s the case.
J R in WV
@Miss Bianca:
So I wrote a check at my Dr’s office for the checkup appointment. On the little bottom left line I wrote “Dr Apptment”.
What did Trump write on the cost line for that check Cohen brought? Curious mind wants to know!