I usually try to spare y’all the sight of Trump’s hideous mug and the sound of his snuffling, adenoidal voice, but this clip from his CPAC appearance yesterday kinda has to be seen to be believed, IMO:
During Trump’s lying propaganda speech at CPAC, he pushed the vicious and false conspiracy theory that doctors execute babies after birth. This is unconscionable and untrue. pic.twitter.com/zFpVjANYL1
— Eugene Gu, MD (@eugenegu) March 3, 2019
It may be a measure of just how far into Crazytown we are that a POTUS can puke up a psychotic fantasy like the above — a fever-dream delusion that puts targets on the backs of real medical professionals — and it’s not front page news on every outlet.
Maybe we’re all just numb, even the Beltway reporters. I’ve heard it was a rambling, demented, extra-long speech. I’m sure the above wasn’t the only nugget of extra-fancy grade A bugfuck insanity, but it was the only one I subjected myself to.
In other news, it looks like there are now enough GOP votes in the US Senate (4) to pass a bill opposing Trump’s bogus border emergency declaration. On the other hand, the GOP opponents include spineless shape-shifters Rand Paul and Susan Collins, so who knows.
What we do know is that if the bill passes, Trump will veto it, probably at a ceremony with a special golden pen and challenge coin. There won’t be enough votes in the so-called “limited government” party to override the veto, so it’ll be up to the courts to contain the damage over the next couple of years. And then it’ll be up to the voters.
I couldn’t even make it through that minute of him talking. He really is the worst of us.
@dlwchico: The worst! We’d probably be better off with a random death row inmate. Seriously.
Mike in NC
SNL showed a few excerpts of Fat Bastard’s unhinged rants. The MAGAts swooned, from what I read.
Quaker in a Basement
Yeah, well, Trump is unpopular, his wall is unpopular, and the weasels in the senate GOP are unpopular. Pass the bill and let him veto and get the lot of them on the record.
hells littlest angel
If Victoria Jackson had had Radio Rwanda’s baby…
Also a snippet from a CNN story
Didn’t the GOP and the president try to go after a Democratic Party member of Congress over bad language?
The president is nuts, but is clearly intending to use this crazy hyperbole as part of his campaign.
Democrats should shut the press down when they include this nonsense in interview questions.
Amoeba aspire to be as boneless as Collins and RP.
My own opinion is that Trump’s fatal encounter with poliitcal reality will occur when SCOTUS imposes hard nation-wide restrictions on abortion.
Mike in Pasadena
The whole Trump speech was so filled with cray cray and clown impersonations complete with code switching that I cannot believe anyone takes him seriously. Apparently, millions do take him seriously and idolize him because of his hatred of the other. I’m finding it hard to have faith that this country will make it through the rest of his first term intact, let alone if he “wins” in 2020. That’s on my most pessimistic days. However, when I’m driving and someone makes a total dick move (super aggressive so as to endanger other drivers and pedestrians), I say to myself or passengers, “Trump voter.” And we laugh, probably because it is true. I think Trump’s “me, me, me” attitude is not having a good effect on behavior in the USA.
Not getting out of the boat. Nuh uh, no way.
All I needed to know about this “speech” I found in a Reason column by Nick Gillespie. He seems to think that if Trump goes around the country doing this from now until Election Day that he’ll win in a landslide. He says Trump is getting sunnier and sunnier in his appearances and the Dems are all doom and gloom and identity and no one wants that. He actually says he’s like Robin Williams at his peak.
So, we’re doomed according to Asshole Fonzie. Which actually cheered me up because Gillespie is an absolute idiot.
Nothing sheer about it. It’s coarse.
Draw was a fair result, I think. Amir?
Mike in Pasadena
@Brachiator: I have difficulty even making sense of this word salad. Can someone please explain what this means: “and all of a sudden they are trying to take you out with bullshit, okay?”
By the way, does the “okay” tacked on the end of nonsense sentences bug anyone else, or is it just me? Is that an aggressive way of demanding agreement? Is it a schoolyard bully demanding your lunch money? Gaaaah, I can’t stand any of it.
I read the twitter thread from Dale and nothing, nothing that trump said had any basis in actual fact.
Then a while ago I saw Chuckles Todd interviewing Gym Jordan and Gym railed about Cohen being a liar and I wanted Todd to ask, Well is he lying now or was he lying then?? WHAT IS WRONG WITH HIM? That is the only response that makes any sense!
I will add that I am sitting in Austria and I usually never watch Chuckles or any of the other bloviators, but there wasn’t anything else on.
We do not know that, but it seems likely because he knows McConnell won’t speak to him harshly. The man is a chickenshit of legendary proportions, but in this instance seems to be well padded against personal confrontation and well buttered up to veto. So… he probably will?
@Mike in NC: They sure did. The ones I encountered today thought it was the best speech ever. One even thought it was great that he used the word “bullshit.” I somehow don’t think she would have been so impressed had Obama done something like that.
@Mike in Pasadena: It’s probably a tell, meaning “I’m lying.”
I’ll take your word for it on the video.
At this point, Emperor Tang is more a symptom (albeit a severe one) – his supporters in the GOP and enablers in the media and their mindset are the real threat. Going to have to be dealt with whenever we get him out of office.
@Mike in NC:
Colbert picked a really bad time to take vacation. He needs to be all over that speech.
I’m stuck in an airport right now, so I’m not going to risk clicking on the video and unleashing Trump’s voice in the terminal, but did want to say that abortion seems to have become a big theme again. I don’t know what the recent vote in Congress was about, but right-to-lifers and twitter bots have been unloading on all the Democratic Presidential candidates for voting to kill babies ripped from the womb for a week now. Trump also brought up abortion in his State of the Union speech so evidently he and his goons feel a need to this to rile up the Evangelicals.
Gin & Tonic
@burnspbesq: I’m far from an expert, but Liverpool didn’t look very sharp at all.
@Mike in Pasadena:
It’s Queens talk, nothing more.
the fonzie of freedom loved it.
what an asshole.
It’s going to be a looong year, ten months, 16 days, 20 hours, and 19 minutes, if we’re lucky. Five years, ten months, 16 days, 20 hours, and 19 minutes if we’re not.
@Gin & Tonic:
Klopp said as much in his postgame remarks.
In what has been an absolute shit-show of a season for Everton, i will gladly take the point.
Abortion is what gets the votes of 80% of the evangelicals. The fact that a Hindu woman died in Ireland because they could not take her dying fetus until its heart had stopped beating will never be mentioned.
The forced birthers are not concerned that more unwanted children will be born and more women will die. Women are there to produce children……Regardless.
I had the doctor executing babies after birth thing used in an argument lately. There’s apparently a doctor in Philadelphia that’s credibly accused of doing this. He was charged and the clinic inspectors that didn’t catch it have been disciplined.
But in the fever dreams of CPAC attendees one criminal means all doctors that perform late term procedures are criminals, never mind the actual statistics.
If the thing passes the Senate, it’s inconceivable that Trump will not veto it. If for no other reason that Coulter will squeeze his b**** until he does.
@pat: @pat: Not to mention the 11 year old girl, raped by her grandmother’s boyfriend, who had to have a C-section followed immediately by the baby’s death because the doctors took a “conscience exception” to a court order for an abortion in Argentina. If you think this is okay, if you think this shows a “respect for life,” then you are clearly delusional. I was so angry when I read about this yesterday I could hardly see straight.
edited to add: I don’t mean YOU take those positions; I mean anyone who takes those positions. Sorry I wasn’t clearer.
So they challenged Melania Trump’s spokeswoman about Trump’s behavior in light of the her three-state tour to promote the “Be Best” campaign:
“I think that, honestly, one thing doesn’t have anything to do with the other, and she is focused on helping children,” Grisham answered.
“She has said many times that her husband is an adult. He is president of the United States and he knows what he’s doing. She’s focused on ‘Be Best,’ focused on helping children. Children are the ones that are impressionable. She’s going to go out and do the best she can to help them succeed.”
So children are so cloistered they don’t see the POTUS acting like a 12 year-old bully (apologies to 12 y.o.s worldwide)? The Trump administration is truly filled with a bunch of lying sacks of crap. It would be nice if they all got together for some type of offsite training and a building collapsed on them.
Lest anyone fall back on the “Melania’s a victim, too” routine, whe made her choices as an adult. She chose to hook up with a proven philanderer. And she was a birther too.
They have to come up with something which makes tossing babies into cages look humane in comparison.
@Ben Cisco: I never watch Trump except maybe on a short clip on Colbert, but I watched this.
Holy fuck, he is absolutely detached from reality. Scary. I cannot believe his family lets him out without someone to keep him in line.
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@Mike in Pasadena:
A friend whose novels I edit had this habit, and all her characters seemed to end their conversations with “okay?” It was driving me mad. I finally was able to break her of the habit by reminding her who else uses “okay” to end so many sentences, all the worst sentences.
Incidentally, I’ve noticed a blog that uses ________ in place of the Name of He Who Must Not Be Named, and I think I’ll copy that.
The GOP is no longer a political party. It’s a personality cult, fully detached from reality. Facts and truth are wholly irrelevant to them now.
@Quaker in a Basement:
Abso-fucking-lutely! It is historical, it is unprecedented, that a president* would declare an emergency and BOTH HOUSES, in a BIPARTISAN manner, would vote to undo it.
Every Dem speech at every level from now through Nov 2020 should include lines about “Republicans, you know where this is going…you have to find the courage to stop it, and some of you already have found that courage. Thank you for putting your country first.” No matter how distasteful it is to thank them for anything. Break the spell. Crack the GOP wide open. They’re just waiting for him to stroke out or quit, and those ain’t happening.
Ahhh, so she has tiny, infinitesimal hands too?
@Cacti: I read Pat Lang blog to keep up on what THEY think:
FWIW, California is suing the administration over the Title X changes. Almost positive we’ll win that case as well.
Ann knows a Swiss watchmaker who will provide her with the special tools needed.
I have a different definition of “this” but otherwise I agree.
The same Coulter who in no uncertain terms declared (all of what, two weeks ago?) her lust affair with him over, done, relegated to history when he signed the funding bill?
@Quaker in a Basement:
Not so unpopular that give the voters in their state a choice between a GOP weasel and a Democrat and they will pick the weasel almost every time. Doug Jones being the rare exception.
@Cacti: CPAC: Where republican squirrels store their nuts.
There is no limit to the wrath of spurned true believers when it gets to obtaining their pound of flesh..
@Baud: and THIS?
This speech was Trump’s Mt. Everest of bullshit and he preceded it by molesting an American flag. He’s long overdue for his straitjacket fitting.
The CPAC conference is a tsunami of CCRAP.
I am a bit worried about this abortion thing, though, because the right-wingers seem to absolutely believe it, and it takes more than a slogan to debunk it. Rod Dreher at American Conservative wrote a whole column about how awful it is that Democrats are into infanticide, and his correspondents believe it. Meghan McCain has vented about Democrats being the party of infanticide on multiple days. Politico has written about it in a both-sides way – infanticide- good or bad? My brother posted on Facebook about it. I asked, does this make sense, that doctors kill babies for no reason? Does this pass the smell test? And on of his friend answered that other people aren’t as nice as we are. They are perfectly ready to believe that other people kill babies without a second thought.
It was only 2 hours. Fidel Castro once spoke for 7 hours and I’m sure Il Douche is itching to break that record.
They’re no different from his base, with the possible exception of being more than willing to stick his ass on an ice floe the second they think they can cash in.
I could not watch all of the clip. He was talking to the youth of the Republican Party!
You are a lot more optimistic about people’s overall reaction than I am. I think the reactions will vary wildly be region, with CA, NY, NJ, MA, etc. reacting strongly against it, but AL, MS, SC etc, will celebrate like no tomorrow.
I don’t know how many people in purplish states would react. A lot of folks are not moved, unless something impacts them or someone they know. If they never encounter a woman dying labor, because a formerly legal procedure became illegal, they may never notice the law changed.
Too bad Booth didn’t feel that way in 1865.
Don’t bother. The only solution is to outvote them.
@gene108: Speaking of Senator Jones of Alabammy, I read somewhere recently (Politico, maybe?) that the pedophile Moore wants another crack at the Senate. Hope it’s true!
Totally OT, but its 34 degrees, supposed to start snowing any minute, and my wife has every window open because I’m making cassoulet and she says all her clothes will smell like duck fat.
I said she will be very popular tomorrow, but she is not amused.
That was several years ago. Definetly pre ACA and Exhanges. The reason so many women went to him for abortions is either they didn’t have insurance or could not afford proper treatment or did not have easy access to proper facilities, so they went to the quack, thinking it safer than a coat hanger.
There will be more “doctors” like him, if the CPAC crowd gets what it wants.
@WaterGirl: Well, last weekend, I said on here I was going to record the first 2 hours of the A&E biography of our president*. However, when time came to watch it, I literally could not last 60 seconds. The intro had so many clips of him speaking, so many pictures of him through the ages that I simply could not bring myself to watch. Sorry, team. My boycott of his visage and voice will continue.
@Van Buren: We have tornado warnings and watches all over.
I knew someone who’s been in prison for murder for almost 50 years now and I’d bet she’d be an immeasurable amount better. I once had a discussion while waiting on meds at the VA with a man who said he’d not long ago gotten out of prison in NY after 30 yrs and just based upon the 20 minutes we talked, he’d be better. Hell I’d be better, although I’ve never been in prison or even arrested and really I feel very unqualified.
@Gretchen: If a child is born without a brain, should all means necessary keep that baby alive? That is what they are talking about. Prolonging the life of a baby that cannot sustain life on its own. Anyone who knows someone who was confronted with that situation is what sick bastards those assholes are I hate them with a fierce passion.
They want to go back to the sixties when you carried your dead baby to term. fuckem
Their tax cuts are more important than life of the born.
@Baud: I started reading a book about Grant today and apparently his wife had a falling out with Mrs Lincoln and didn’t go to the play.
@Raven: Be careful out there.
The Midnight Lurker
CPAC was crazy. Trump was crazy. Stupid shit Trump (and others) said during the conference will be fodder for late night talk show jokes for weeks. None of this is news.
What is news IMHO, from closer scrutiny of CPAC 2019 is that a lot of the ‘mainstream’ GOP are searching for exits, or they’re trying to judge exactly when to leap into a lifeboat. Even the ‘news’ division of Faux News is feebly trying to ‘get tough’. Chris Wallace is trying sooo hard to be real journalist, it’s just adorable.
Something else I noticed. There have been a number of articles written about how the Republicans ‘defended’ Trump during the Cohen testimony. By and large, they didn’t do anything of the sort. They disparaged Cohen sure. But not one made any sort of impassioned plea for the reputation of the man in the Whitehouse. They’re just tossing out hate for Cohen ‘the rat’ as red meat for the base, and trying to forestall the inevitable by mucking up the works.
I’m pretty sure when the whip comes down, Trump won’t have a friend in the world. Just an angry and disillusioned base who won’t want to have anything to do with him. They can tolerate being called ‘racist’. None of them can stand being called a ‘traitor’.
Hideous. His lies are only believed by those who want to believe — and in that belief they can be atrocious as well. Its like a Chuck Norris movie where the wife/girlfriend is there to be assaulted and murdered to fuel Chuck to commit mayham.
But this is real, and Radio Rwanda is now Radio CPAC.
Who in his family is capable of keeping him in line?
Really, they are all in the shit, none of them is any more capable than he is. And he controls the money so none of them are going to question anything he wants, says.
The NY bill passed and the proposed bill in VA? are being heavily used to rile up the Evangelical anti-abotion crowd. They’re being energized to vote in 2020 for ‘the one man who stands up for the lives of babies’!!
There’s constant preaching on the JimBakker show about the evil Democrats, socialists, etc who want to kill babies just after they’re born.
Bruce Gerencser at his blog has 1 or 2 posts about this Evangelical frenzy to call out the vote in 2020.
Kermit Gosnell ran an illegal abortion clinic and was convicted of murdering three infants that were born alive. He is now in prison, and will be for the rest of his life.
The forced birthers are conflating Gosnell’s illegal actions with all late-term abortions. It’s like saying that all heart transplant surgeons should be prosecuted for murder because some serial killers cut their victims’ hearts out.
I’m still formulating this, but basically I want to say that I’m happy they agree with me that all guns should be banned because some people use them illegally. After all, they think all abortions should be banned because some people (like Gosnell) did them illegally, so clearly they think that anything that can be misused should be banned. Right?
Demand they show you evidence that this in fact happens on any sort of a regular basis. They never can. Tell them to shut up until they can.
@Raven: The storms have moved through here, and the tornado was south of Atlanta. There is damage though, but it was in a sparsely populated areas.
The infanticide thing was started when Gov. Ralph “Blackface” Northam Said a few true things that were immediately pounced on by the usual suspects. Probably would have faded away but the shitgibbon embraced it and here we are.
Your approach is correct.
Exactly. What one should never do is assume the responsibility for persuading them that they are wrong. That just furthers their feeling of dominance.
I’ve used drumpf and shitgibbon and asswipe and a few others but I’m going with Trump now, just to remind everyone (who reads my comments) exactly who it is that is we are discussing that is mad as a hatter. Not that there is any doubt actually but the more we use things like – that fucking asswipe, dipshit, crazy motherfucker Trump the better.
@Mike in Pasadena: Me me me attitude really got going with Reagan in 1980.
There was a distinct rise in the 80s in the amount of selfishness publically expressed as opposed to the permissible level in the 70s.
Yes, there is no persuading. One of my brothers was all over Obama’s birth certificate. After Obama produced it, I asked my brother what he thought now, and his response was, “I still don’t know…” Screw that. The best that can be done is prove them liars, again and again.
Some of them now seem to be conflating pediatric hospice with infanticide. They want to insist that heroic measures be taken to keep babies with fatal birth defects alive rather than allowing doctors and parents to keep them comfortable while Nature takes its course.
If they can get rid of hospice and DNR orders for adults, they’ll do that, too, regardless of what the patients actually want.
Nope, because you’ve fundamentally misunderstood both the legal principles and the state of play.
What you’re suggesting is literally impossible. No one who knows what they’re talking about believes that the Federal judiciary has the power to restrict abortions. Nor does Congress, for the same reason that the Supremes held that the Commerce Clause didn’t give Congress the authority to enact the Affordable Care Act.
What the Federal courts can do—and ALL the Federal courts can do— is one of two things.
First, they could say Roe was wrongly decided, and there is no Federal Constitutional right to abortion. If that’s what they do, then the states can regulate abortion however they choose, from no regulation at all to an outright ban with no exceptions.
Second, they can leave Roe in place, but say that Casey’s “undue burden” standard is the wrong way to judge the Constitutional validity of state restrictions on abortion. If that’s how it plays out, there will still be a role for the Federal courts to play, but they will be more deferential to state legislatures.
My personal wild-ass guess is that there arent’t five votes on the Supreme Court for outright repudiation of Roe. Roberts is smart enough to understand how bad that would be for Republicans. However, the supposed right to abortion will be a practical nullity in the Fourth (except Maryland), Fifth, Sixth, Eighth, Tenth (except Colorado), and Eleventh Circuits.
@Mnemosyne: I hope that candidates are prepared to offer a personal story about the truth of what they are preaching. Keeping an infant alive with wires and no human contact for two days is not compassion. Forcing a mother to carry a brain dead infant is not compassion. I had a neighbor who had an infant without ten fingers and toes kept alive in that manner. Although the dad saw the little girl, she wasn’t allowed to.
I absolutely hate these people.
@Mike in Pasadena:
the “okay” tacked on the end
It’s bootless adolescent defensive hostility.
PARENT : Why are you watching TV? Have you done your homework ?
12-YEAR-OLD : I just got home, OK? Jeez, can’t a guy relax for a minute?
So it is a tell that he knows that what precedes it is indefensible.
What’s the difference between cassoulet and a crude refusal?
What you did there was seen.
@Mnemosyne: Good strategy!
@burnspbesq: I figure the likeliest route to a national abortion ban is fetal personhood under the 14th Amendment. I don’t think it’s that likely, but if Roberts thinks his hard-line Catholic majority is slipping away he may just go for it. It’s the whole reason why the Federalist Society exists, after all.
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@Raven: That’s like why Trump’s support is waining, the left sees him pretty much as a trolling idiot so doesn’t get so angry with him so wingtards are losing the thrill that keeps them going.
I don’t think you can get here from a Supreme Court decision.
@burnspbesq: Yup. John Fucking Roberts, the worst Chief Justice since Plessy was decided, probably will set the stage for the “compromise” where more women will die. He certainly set the table for Trump & foreign governments to conspire with Citizens United.
Then again, there’s some good arguments for the worst Court ever being the group who decided Bush v. Gore, because without them we wouldn’t have Alito or Roberts on the court at all, and we wouldn’t likely be here.
(& with that I’m gonna throw in a hearty phuck ’em all for the GOP majority on the Court).
It’s also an opportunity to agree. That’s trump’s thing, getting people to agree with him. He lives for that. The question gives people that chance without thinking too much about it. It may be a tic but I’d bet it’s because it has worked for him for a long time. He tells you what he wants and gives you a chance to just agree rather than discuss. Listen to how he says the word Okay, which puts all the onus on the listener to agree or have to come up with a reason for not agreeing. If he’s offering to pay you to do something and gets you to agree to do it perfectly to get paid and you agree without thinking, there’s his out to pay you, you didn’t do the job perfectly and you agreed to do the job for free if it wasn’t. And even if it’s just in his mind, he really did no such thing, in his twisted world, he asked and you agreed.
I will have to go back and read the emergency expenditure statute, but my understanding is Congress can block without additional legislation.
@The Midnight Lurker:
I wish I could agree, but I think you are misreading the depth of conservative support for Trump.
@gene108: That was very well put. I wish the idiots that know nothing about medicine would take ten minutes to learn something, anything.
Missouri has one abortion provider left. The laws being enacted are dangerous to women.
@Brachiator: Constitutional law is mostly Calvinball.
I can see that. Thanks for your explanation.
I don’t think our ideas are in conflict; they seem complementary.
Constitutional law is mostly Calvinball.
Once I would have described this as unduly cynical, even nihilist.
Then I learned a little about civil forfeiture in case law.
“See, the Fourth Amendment doesn’t _really_ say what it says.”
@Brachiator: Look at history. Dred Scott, Plessy, Korematsu, Shelby County… all complete sophistry made up on the spot to support the decision the Justices wanted. And it’s not like the decisions I agree with, like McCulloch and Roe, were that much better.
@joel hanes: Life is meaningless. Eat at Arby’s.
I have and still don’t agree that the Court can deliver a national abortion ban.
We shall see what happens.
Thank you. This is a subject that makes me so mad I can’t focus. They want to turn the U.S. into Ireland, before the law was changed. Where even if a pregnancy is literally killing you, you can’t get an abortion. I have been pregnant 3 times. I have one living child. I miscarried the first one and the second one died in utero (fun fact the medical term for this is missed abortion) and I got to carry the dead fetus for a week until my scheduled D&C. I am and was before all that, rabidly pro-choice.
These people want a lot more Dr. Savita Halappanavars…
Also anyone who think’s this is not ALREADY happening is fooling themselves. Many states have few, or one abortion clinics. In North Dakota there is I believe 1, and the doctor flies in from out of state. The fact that the Catholic church owns and runs many hospital networks also affects adequate pregnancy care. A nurse/administrator Sister Margaret McBride ,of a Catholic hospital in Phoenix was excommunicated for allowing the abortion of an 11 week fetus, doctors at the hospital had agreed that the woman’s health issues would kill her if the pregnancy was not terminated. The Bishop apparently would have preferred they let the woman die…
I don’t think they will ban abortion, they will just go back to the old days when they allowed states to ban it.
They don’t have to ban abortion at a federal level to make it effectively impossible to get an abortion. Make it difficult enough to stay open, and one by one clinics close. Make it scary enough to be an abortion provider and doctors will stop performing them ( abortion doctors are threatened and sometimes murdered, sometimes people harass their kids).
Kind of like the laws that allow pharmacists to not fill a prescription for emergency contraception, and other prescriptions, if it violates their religious beliefs….Sorry NO if I need a prescription filled and I live in a small town in West Texas or remote Idaho I may not have transportation to take it to “another pharmacy” . My medical care is not their business.
J R in WV
That Bishop didn’t “prefer” that the woman died — he required that the woman died. Which in my book is way more murder than the death of a fetus not capable of a single thought or motion.
He is probably having trouble understanding the Vatican conclave on sexual abuse as well — why not? I’m the Bishop, whatever I want, right? Right!
Of late, the front three have been leaving for the stadium without their shooting boots. They did not need to be doing this for the Merseyside derby. Everton will take this as a win.
We will see what states do, and how citizens react.
@Ladyraxterinok: They already turned out pretty close to their theoretical maximum in 2018.
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