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  2. 2.

    Adam L Silverman

    Kassie Hunt appears to have contracted the same thing that is afflicting Sarah Huckabee Sanders’ face. I believe it is called Picasso Facial Syndrome. I hope MSNBC can get her treated ASAP!

  3. 3.

    SiubhanDuinne

    I felt myself to be well-armed throughout the day, and fell for none of the fairly ham-handed and obvious pranks.

    Then in the evening I stopped in at my favourite bar, and at one point the manager — whom I’ve known for 25-30 years, and who is a close personal friend — came over, caught me up on her new grandson and her mother’s most recent hospitalisation — and then said, confidingly, “I just handed in my two weeks’ notice this morning.”

    Yeah, I fell for it.

  6. 6.

    jl

    Maybe it’s just me, but I think Comey’s April Fools dad joke about some doofus wandering down the middle for the road waiting for a whacked out trucker to flatten him like pancake is in questionable taste. I thought Comey was the Last Righteous Man. I am disillusioned and feel ‘used’.

  10. 10.

    jl

    @Adam L Silverman: From the link: “Kasie Hunt’s face is the exact same face you will have if you watch the interview and try to make sense”

    We can all contract ‘Picasso Facial Syndrome’ in extreme situations. I watched the interview. So, of course this poor interviewer looks like she is watching an inside out vampire cows trying to eat four dimensional Martians. I think she did pretty good.

  13. 13.

    mrmoshpotato

    @NotMax: What is this ridiculousness?

    Everyone knows spaghetti grows in fields that are 2 miles long and 1 inch wide.

  14. 14.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    I never heard of an “E-score”, and have no idea what it really means, but there are some funny tidbits in this article, I suspect it’s the kind of thing trump may stumble over while reading tweets about himself

    Trump Lives by Ratings. He Won’t Like This One.
    Like the Q Score, which measures the appeal of celebrities, the E-Score calculates awareness and appeal of individuals in the public eye. But it also tracks how individuals score on more than 40 personality and physical attributes.
    In terms of those attributes, Mr. Trump was most often described as “aggressive” (48 percent) and “mean” (38 percent), according to his scores from December that were obtained by The New York Times. He also scored high for being “insincere,” “confident” and “creepy.” But he scored between 0 and 4 percent for the attributes of “sexy,” “impartial,” “handsome” and “physically fit.”

  15. 15.

    jl

    @mrmoshpotato: Every school child knows, or would know if our schools were any good, that spaghetti is mined along the Italian and Swiss border deep underneath the alps. What do people think the great, very short, but horrifically bloody, Italo-Swiss Spaghetti War was about?

  16. 16.

    lamh36

    @CillizzaCNN
    The $12 million for Harris makes Buttigieg’s $7 million look that much better

    @RyanLizza
    The Kamala Harris fundraising numbers drive home just how impressive Pete Buttigieg’s fundraising numbers are. He is mayor of a city of 100,000 and had 159,000 donors. She is a U.S. senator with 40 million constituents and had 218,000 donors.

    519
    7:58 PM – Apr 1, 2019

    @zoe_samuel
    59m59 minutes ago
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    Replying to @RyanLizza
    “This great achievement by a Black woman who got no free media just shows how big deal this white guy is who got tens of millions of free media and performed 55% as well as her.”

    Smh…use the Black woman to prop up the white guy du jour…smh

    This is not on Pete, this is on the journo…so this is what we have to look forward to until this thing is done huh…smh…

    Neither of their points make any sense other than a way to prop up the latest big thing.

    Oh…and I saw a report that said Warren fundraising was lagging? I think it's caus so many folks gave money to folks like Pete and forgot that fundraising numbers also matter for the "narrative" as it does to get on the debate stage.

    Liz Warren isn't my candidate, but I did contribute to her campaign because too many folks are sending money to the newest and forgetting that the not so flashy but steady candiate needs fundraising nubmers too.

  17. 17.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    I can’t believe that up until now, my contempt for this moron was an overestimation

    Tulsi Gabbard @ TulsiGabbard
    Mueller reported Trump did not collude with Russia to influence our elections. Now we must put aside partisan interests, move forward, and work to unite our country to deal with the serious challenges we face.

  18. 18.

    jl

    @lamh36: Often, Cillizza takes the ‘Conventional’ out of ‘Conventional Wisdom’. But somehow, he keeps his gig. I dunno how.

    I’ll always remember Cillizza as the goofus who typed up Michelle Obama as a front runner for 2020 Presidential run. Because if she wanted to, she could raise a shitload of money. Forget that fact that Ms. Obama repeatedly said that she doesn’t want to run for office, and never wants to live in the WH in any official capacity ever again. But Cillizza had some words to type up before deadline, so he threw that in, even though such slop would get him fired from any teen fan magazine.

    OTOH, no point in you getting upset by mindless drivel churned out and typed up by the likes of Cillizza, it is brainless stuff. He can put out any kind of nonsense to make his quota of infotainment product each day, and has no scruples how he does it.

    Edit: And remember, some media drone similar to Cillizza has determined that Harris is not, beyond a reasonable doubt, ‘authentically black’ enough, or whatever.

  20. 20.

    mrmoshpotato

    @jl: Are you saying my grandpa had bad information?

    I demand you defend yourself with a Wikipedia article!

  21. 21.

    B.B.A.

    @lamh36: Didn’t Lizza get #MeToo’d, or am I confusing him with another interchangeable douchebag?

    My standard of a lifetime ban from all gainful employment on the first complaint may be a bit harsh, but cases like this make me think it’s justified.

  22. 22.

    Matt McIrvin

    I always remember how on Buffy the Vampire Slayer it was established lore that vampires and demons don’t go out on Halloween if they don’t have to, because it’s amateur night, and it’s just embarrassing mingling with a bunch of humans trying to act spooky.

  24. 24.

    Mary G

    @lamh36: I’m beginning to wonder if the media’s ignoring Kamala might be a good thing. She’s out talking to huge crowds, pulling in big money, and the ratfuckers are working on Biden.

  26. 26.

    lamh36

    @B.B.A.: yeah…he had something, but I think it ended up being an issue of a consensual relationship that turned into bitter exes?

    So I don’t recall if it went somewhere

  27. 27.

    sukabi

    @Adam L Silverman: it’s her “If I have to listen to any more of of this ridiculous lying clown’s bullshit my head’s gonna cave in” look.

    Sarah’s look comes from being immersed in ridiculous bullshit from the time she was born.

  28. 28.

    lamh36

    @jl: BTW, not “upset” about it…just noticed that 2 seperate white male journos with the SAME take…so expect more of that narrative.

  30. 30.

    Kay

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    So how does a shy surfer girl become a warrior for peace on a mission to lead a government that puts people, planet and peace ahead of partisan politics dominated by corporate interests and an agenda for war?

    Here’s how:

    As she was growing up, Tulsi’s parents would enlist her and her siblings in “service days” – picking up litter from beaches or preparing food for homeless families. At first, she resented having to set aside her surfboard. But gradually she discovered that she was happier when she was putting the needs of others before her own.

  31. 31.

    jl

    @B.B.A.: Only thing either number means, as far as I am concerned, is that it is a good sign that several of the Democratic candidates can raise such impressive amounts without relying on PAC money.

    Hope they can keep it up. As to comparing Harris and Buttigieg on one reporting number, it is very stupid, and insulting to both of them. Cillizza just types up cr*p to stir up cr*ppy controversies because it is his cr*p job to do that, and it often seems to do little else but that.

    So, I hope everyone excuse me, I have to go read some deep analysis on how Harris is in political trouble because she is neither authentically black nor authentically South Asian enough, and if you squint right at youtube clips, Buttigieg may have blinked in a weird sort of way when speaking in support progressive policies, so he is vaguely untrustworthy on everything.

  32. 32.

    jl

    @lamh36: Oh, OK. Thanks. Glad you are not upset. By now, I don’t expect anything but stereotypical and hackneyed week old tripe from the media CW political horse race touts.

  35. 35.

    Kay

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Her website says the DNC requires 65,000 donations to qualify for the debates, which is not true:

    Polling Method: Register 1% or more support in three polls (which may be national polls, or polls in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and/or Nevada) publicly released between January 1, 2019, and 14 days prior to the date of the Organization Debate. Qualifying polls will be limited to those sponsored by one or more of the following organizations/institutions: Associated Press, ABC News, CBS News, CNN, Des Moines Register, Fox News, Las Vegas Review Journal, Monmouth University, NBC News, New York Times, National Public Radio (NPR), Quinnipiac University, Reuters, University of New Hampshire, Wall Street Journal, USA Today, Washington Post, Winthrop University. Any candidate’s three qualifying polls must be conducted by different organizations, or if by the same organization, must be in different geographical areas.
    Grassroots Fundraising Method. Candidates may qualify for the debate by demonstrating that the campaign has received donations from at least (1) 65,000 unique donors; and (2) a minimum of 200 unique donors per state in at least 20 U.S. states. To demonstrate that the fundraising threshold has been reached, candidates must provide verifiable evidence, which they may do by authorizing ActBlue and/or NGP VAN to provide that evidence.

  36. 36.

    lamh36

    Anyone from the NYC/Bronx area?

    I’m just wondering if any has any idea bout this?

    @notcapnamerica
    6h6 hours ago
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    A year ago AOC attacked Kirsten Gillibrand for simply choosing to endorse her opponent Joe Crowley.

    Today, Gillibrand has to field requests and concerns from AOC’s constituents because four months after being sworn in, she has still not set up her district offices.

    @notcapnamerica
    Following Following @notcapnamerica
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    In fact — when you call the number to her Jackson Heights district office, you get a message saying “The number you have called is not in service at this time.”

    If you call her DC office you get a voicemail, and the mailbox is full.

    What is going on? If there is one thing I know, and any long term Congress person knows…good CONSTITUENT SERVICES is one of the MAIN reasons why folks win re-election. If you have shitty services…you can dang well expect to be primaried…or just not-reelected.

  38. 38.

    Kay

    @Gin & Tonic:

    It’s none of my business but if I were her I would add some other people to the photographs of herself. Just a helpful suggestion. Put some supporters in there. She looks like she’s going on this mission alone.

  40. 40.

    Major Major Major Major

    @lamh36: from the Daily News a month ago:

    Ocasio-Cortez spoke Monday at the opening of her Queens district office, which had been delayed for several weeks due to the federal government shutdown and because a steep rent increase led her to opt against using her predecessor Joe Crowley’s old office.

    ETA: Perhaps they were trying the old number. There’s also a New York Post from a couple days ago attacking her about not having much of a presence at local things, if you feel like googling it, no links for that rag though.

  41. 41.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @lamh36: good god, I kind of feel bad because she’s so young, but…. my god she comes across as an unlikable person

  42. 42.

    lamh36

    @Major Major Major Major: well that’s good thing.

    Cause like i said…if you want to keep ur voters happy…CONSTITUENT SERVICES is key. And let m tell ya…them old ladies who call that number don’t forget and will talk to anyone about how bad their rep is based on that.

    ETA: Also too…the folks who look for those services are the folks who don’t like to see their reps everywhere on tv but in the district.

    Esp compared to say S. Davis…who has not only office, but did pop up consituent service meeting in her district untit she got an office

  44. 44.

    jl

    @lamh36: Certainly disturbing info, but I just called the numbers and capnamerica’s info doesn’t seem to be quite correct. Numbers are working but direct caller to web contact page. Not sure that is all that much better.

    I’ll call her DC office tomorrow during work hours, see what is up.

    Edit: commenter above mentioned AOC is blaming government shutdown. That should be easy to test. How many other freshpeople House members having trouble setting up constituent services because of that?

  46. 46.

    lamh36

    @Major Major Major Major: Yeah, I saw that. It’s a thing for sure though…wasn’t the knock on Crowley that he spent more time in DC than with constituents in NYC?

    Seems to me she’s learning that it wasn’t as easy to do as she thought….it’s a learning curve…but they types of folks who utilize those constituents services aren’t the type to let you use learning curve as an excuse for long

  47. 47.

    Mnemosyne

    My favorite part of the Carrey/Mussolini beef was that she kept posting memes about how terrible America has been to minorities throughout history.

    Fun fact: Carrey is not American. He’s Canadian. So what about Rosa Parks, huh? is a pretty ridiculous comeback.

  48. 48.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @lamh36: from the replies

    Stank Attitude @ StankAttitude
    These Bernouts wanted to punish Hillary and teach her a lesson by living under a right wing Supreme Court for the rest of their lives

  49. 49.

    lamh36

    @lamh36: @Major Major Major Major:

    They mentioned S. Davis

    @notcapnamerica
    Following Following @notcapnamerica
    More chris evans Retweeted Rep. Sharice Davids
    Sharice Davids not only has two district offices in two different counties — she is actually doing pop up office hours in various places around her district so everyone has access.

    Here she is talking about a town hall she had…

    @RepDavids
    Follow Follow @RepDavids
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    Sunday’s town hall in Olathe was a great chance to speak directly with the people of #KS03 about the issues impacting our community. Since we weren’t able to get to everyone’s questions, I thought I’d take the opportunity to answer some now!

    https://twitter.com/RepDavids/status/1111615124131979265

  51. 51.

    lamh36

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: definition of “white privilege” in the flesh for sure.

    Only someone used to that privilege, even on just a superficial level, would think…oh hey…let’s vote Trump . as a joke…who’s it gonna hurt…smh

  52. 52.

    Mnemosyne

    @lamh36:

    You definitely need to save that ankle-grab gif for election season. That made me duck and cover from my couch!

  53. 53.

    jl

    @lamh36: As I recall, the big knock on Crowley was his role in running a local political machine that many perceived as having become corrupt and profited off of constituents. One of the reasons AOC ran was her family had a run-in with the Crowley machine, felt they got burned, and told their story, and that got a lot sympathy from the locals.

    Anyway, since suspect constituent services, and rackets based on them, were big reasons Crowley ran into trouble, if AOC is not doing an grade A job on local services, she better fix that asap. A lot of people who voted for her will feel betrayed.

  54. 54.

    Adam L Silverman

    @jl: I’ve seen one full interview with him (the one with Melber) and clips of a couple of others. That guy is an idiot. What he’s trying to sell makes no sense at all, whatsoever to anyone with any actual experience working in the national security, defense, and intel sectors. And there is no way, shape, or form the Israelis would use someone this stupid for anything.

  55. 55.

    lamh36

    @Mnemosyne: listen…she is ALLL of us who are tired of Bernie-bros/girls shit…from way back in 2016!

    Heck every woman on that panel…had the same done look, even the other white lady was like…”i don’t know her”…smh

    The fact that she felt so comfortable tells ya her circle likely doesn’t include any people of color or non-Bernie bro people of color…cause she just knew she was gonna get cosigned by someone…smh

  57. 57.

    jl

    @Adam L Silverman: So, you got that inside out vampire cow vibe too?
    Please post a clip of yourself watching the next Twilight Zone Trumpster interview and we’ll have a Picasso Face contest between you and Ms. Hunt.

  58. 58.

    sdhays

    OT: This is nutballs:

    Guy Verhofstadt, the European parliament’s lead Brexit spokesman, says a no-deal Brexit (which is what they mean in Brussels by the term “hard Brexit”) has become “nearly inevitable”.

    When I asked my UK colleagues last year about this, they were supremely confident that “No Deal” would never happen, and they weren’t worried about it, despite how it was clear that there was no way to implement Brexit without it being clearly terrible and despite the utter shit show that was May’s performance as PM (and this was before she even had her stupid unworkable deal, which has made her stubborn ineptitude even more stark). We seem to be at the “Jesus, take the wheel” stage, and Jesus isn’t answering calls at the moment…

  60. 60.

    Mnemosyne

    @lamh36:

    Also look at the blonde woman in the pink sweater over her right shoulder who first covers her face with her hands and then becomes increasingly angry. She is NOT ON BOARD with this bullshit.

    She’s holding back to let the non-white women speak first, but if a brawl starts, she’s gonna be back to back with that Black woman on the end taking on all comers. In her young white woman way she is PISSED.

    I want a GIF of her to be my avatar for 2020.

  63. 63.

    jl

    @Jay: I agree completely, But constituent services answer services that do nothing but direct the caller to a website is not a good sign. Maybe would be OK if everyone was tech savvy, synched up walking around with a smartphone, but AOC needs to do better.

  64. 64.

    Mnemosyne

    @lamh36:

    The pink sweater lady was looking at the non-white women like, “I got you, sis. I mean, if that’s the right phrase for this situation.”

    I picture her like Eugene Levy in “Bringing Down the House.” ?

  66. 66.

    lamh36

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: smh…just…I can’t even fathom that she came and just really said “it was a joke”..

    Like…bish what?

    Oh….kids in cages…so funny…

    US rep all over the world in shambles…so funny…

    white nationalist violence on the rise…sooooo funny….

    and yet this chick STILL came in there and dropped that “it’s a joke” mess like it was gonna get a good reception…smh

  67. 67.

    Jay

    @jl:

    She will. As was noted up thread, she had variety of “issues” getting her local office up and running that were out of her control.

    Why would Bronx constiuents be phoning to upstate New York, ( Troy) rather than across town, and why only Gullibrand?

  68. 68.

    Mnemosyne

    @lamh36:

    Oh, I’m sure the white dudes with tiki torches chanting, “Jews will not replace us” didn’t mean her, amirite? ?

  70. 70.

    Mnemosyne

    @Jay:

    Gillibrand has an NYC office. Plus it’s pretty common for people to call around to different elected officials until they get some action. Gillibrand may have a better reputation in-state for constituent services than Schumer does.

  72. 72.

    Suzanne

    @sdhays: I have been riveted by Brexit over the past few weeks. It’s just unbelievable to me how absolutely useless every one of them are. Just complete boneheads. Worst own-goal for a country in FSM knows how long.

    And the result of the vote today is just as incredible. They all say they want a deal and then they can’t fucking get it together for ten goddamn minutes.

    I feel like so many in that country (and ours) don the realize that taking second-best is a really good fucking option when you’re not going to get your first choice.

  73. 73.

    Bobby Thomson

    @Kay: hold up. That’s the same mistake Nate Silver made yesterday. If more than 20 candidates qualify on a polling basis, which is entirely possible with statistical noise, the party reserves the right to go to the number of donors metric to trim it down.

  74. 74.

    Bobby Thomson

    @Jay:

    As was noted up thread,

    you mean your stray, unsourced, and unexplained claim of ratfucking?

    she had variety of “issues” getting her local office up and running that were out of her control.

    Such as? The reason she doesn’t have a Bronx office is because she spent that part of her budget to increase starting salaries for all staffers. That’s her choice to make with its own pluses and minuses. One downside is that she doesn’t have as much money.

    Why would Bronx constiuents {sic} be phoning to upstate New York, ( Troy) rather than across town,

    Who says they are?

    and why only Gullibrand {sic}?

    Better service? Schumer doesn’t see the PR/money in it/has other stuff on his plate now as minority leader? Neighboring representatives have their own constituents to take care of?

  75. 75.

    Jay

    @Mnemosyne: @Major Major Major Major:

    Who’s running for the Democratic Presidential Cantidate position as center/right and the only sources are “anonamous”.

    So either a Democratic Party Campaign is taking shots at a popular “Leftie” Democratic Party Representative for the MSM/RWNJ’s etc to weaponize,

    Or there’s other ratfuckery going on.

    When I worked at a Fortune 100, and people’s phone calls/emails were transferred to my office, because they couldn’t get ahold of whom they needed, I’d help them out as best as I gould, take notes, then let my colleague know. If it was systemic, I would help them out to fix the problem.

    I wouldn’t leak it to the press to try and drive the stock down, or leak it to a VP to try to get a promotion.

    Nothing like feeding the Dems in Disarray meme.

  76. 76.

    Jay

    @Bobby Thomson:

    Helps to read the thread. #40, #44,

    She didn’t get the previous Office Holders Office, because of rent hikes,

    So, she had to start from scratch,

    And the money was delayed because of Insane Clown POSus’s Shutdowns.

  77. 77.

    lamh36

    Like I said…apparently a memo went out to white male journos…to start this narrative…smh

    @jonallendc

    @jonallendc
    4h4 hours ago
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    Harris raised $12M. She’s a senator from California. Buttigieg raised $7M. He’s the mayor of South Bend, Ind. Warren just dumped finance chief. Expect that number to be low. Biden is at zero. Sanders could be at $20M. O’Rourke raised more than half Harris’ total in 2 days 1/2

    Follow Follow @jonallendc
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    Harris number isn’t awful, but one of the big questions for her was whether she’d be able to raise for this kind of race & that remains a question heading into Q2. She’s gonna need more $ to run a long race (not Iowa or bust). But her # may look bigger when other Sens report 2/2

    8:01 PM – 1 Apr 2019

    https://twitter.com/jonallendc/status/1112882639600603136

    So we have Cilizza, Lizza, Sam Stein (co-signing Lizza) and now Allen…who’s next Dave Weigel?

  78. 78.

    Tenar Arha

    @lamh36: Yeah. I remembered at the last minute & decided on donating to Castro & Warren. I also added Doug Jones & then a bunch of Freshmen Representatives for good measure. (My Inbox will surely be fuller).

  79. 79.

    jl

    @lamh36: Well, it’s silly. All this speculation off one report. And if Harris needs big bucks to run a long race, and has $5 million more than Buttigieg, and she has California to keep up her contributions, what will Buttigieg do after he taps out of Iowa and neighboring states? So, Harris is in objectively better shape? Who knows? God knows, probably.
    How many contributors for both were one time, versus continuing? Who has a better mailing list?

    I wish i could get a job pumping out such inane BS. But there seems to be a market for it. I think these people get big points for maintaining a high social media profile, so pumping out speculative BS on twitter counts for them, jobwise.

  80. 80.

    Jay

    @lamh36:

    Horseracers will look at anything, money, tea leaves, entrails,

    anything to avoid substantive discussions about policy.

  81. 81.

    lamh36

    @Tenar Arha: I’ve also contributed to Castro…I want him on that debate stage as much as some folks want Mayor Pete. I like that he doesn’t mind bringing it when it comes to Bernie. I think Pete being a past Bernie guy won’t be willing to stand up to Bernie’s shit in a debate.

    We need folks who will bring it to Bernie and not let him take over the debate.

  82. 82.

    lamh36

    @jl:@Jay: of course they’ll do what they always do…doesn’t mean folks shouldn’t push back against the bullshit…instead of letting it continue unchecked…

    It may nott change much, but push back is better than nothing.

  84. 84.

    Mnemosyne

    [email protected]lamh36:

    But we don’t need to look at sexism in the media, no sirree … ?

    I have a feeling those white dudes have no idea how much money women have — particularly Black women — and how happy they’ll be to shovel it to Kamala as fast as they legally can.

  87. 87.

    Tenar Arha

    @lamh36: Yeah, the AOC office was partly due to the shutdown, & I’d guess the availability or lack thereof of reasonably priced office space in NYC real estate market too. Also, I remembered she had a couple controversial town halls, because she kept the press out. IIRC She wanted anyone undocumented or their relatives to be able to speak freely.

  89. 89.

    evodevo

    @jl: Just typical conservative “humor” – i.e. not humorous. You have to lose a normal sense of irony and everything else before being inducted into the RWNJ club…

  90. 90.

    J R in WV

    Just want to say, spaghetti grows on trees. PBS had a piece on it some years ago about this time of year, with video of Italian peasants picking ripe bunches of spaghetti in a really good looking orchard, very similar to an olive grove.

    It reminded me of an NPR story out of WI about the increasing demand for fondue, and the worry that the Fondue Lac might not suffice for the national fondue supply… no video with that story… wonder why? Nothing beats our public media on finding obscure yet important stories!

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