Oh man. Rep. Ted Lieu now playing a tape of Candace Owens, who is sitting right there, saying it would have been fine if Hitler just wanted to make Germany great. pic.twitter.com/BIIQGOeKPC
— Jennifer Bendery (@jbendery) April 9, 2019
Dem Rep. Ted Lieu now playing Candace Owens' video from two months ago where she said said Hitler's problem is that he "wanted to globalize." Lieu then asked a question about "people wanting legitimize Adolph Hitler" and how that feeds into white supremacy.
— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) April 9, 2019
Many, many words were said — but were they ever dumb!
-6 months ago a Nazi murdered 11 Jews in Pittsburgh.
-6 weeks ago a Nazi plotted to murder a list of Trump's enemies.
-3 weeks ago a Nazi murdered 50 Muslims in Christchurch.Here's how the GOP is spending today's first hearing on Nazi terrorism: https://t.co/WEf9sDmlGE
— Zeddediah Springfield (@Zeddary) April 9, 2019
Per the Washington Post:
A tense congressional hearing to explore the spread of white nationalism on social media quickly served to illustrate the problem Silicon Valley faces after anonymous users on YouTube began posting vitriolic attacks that targeted others on the basis of race and religion…
“These Jews want to destroy all white nations,” wrote the user Celtic Pride.
“Anti-hate is a code word for anti-white,” wrote another named Fight White Genocide.
Appearing before the committee, Alexandria Walden, the counsel for free expression and human rights at Google, stressed the tech giant has invested in people and technology to remove content that incites violent or spreads hate. “We know the very platforms that have enabled these societal benefits can be abused,” she said…
“This just illustrates part of the problem we’re dealing with,” said Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.), the chairman of the committee, after seeing the Post’s report.
His comment was greeted with skepticism by Rep. Louie Gohmert, a Texas Republican. “Could that be another hate hoax?” he asked. “Just keep an open mind.”
The tension infused the hearing, which had been called to explore the spread of hate speech and the rise of white supremacist movements in the United States, which Nadler described as an “urgent crisis in our country.” He said that white nationalism had motivated many of the world’s deadly attacks, including the neo-Nazi rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017, the attack on a Pittsburgh synagogue last year and the shooting at two mosques in New Zealand last month.In many cases, Nadler said, social-media sites had served as “as conduits to spread vitriolic hate messages to every home,” adding that “Congress in recent years also has failed to take seriously the threat.” He and other Democrats also raised the possibility that Trump had worsened the problem, given the president’s rhetoric on Twitter and his administration’s approach to handling hate crimes widely.
Some Republican lawmakers on the committee emphasized they shared a concern about the spread of white supremacy… But the witnesses invited to testify by Republicans sharply criticized Democrats for holding the hearing. Candace Owens, a prominent conservative and Trump ally, opened the hearing by calling it a form of “fear mongering” that serves as part of Democrats’ 2020 presidential election strategy.
“They blame Facebook, they blame Google, they blame Twitter, really [Democrats] blame the birth of social media, which has disrupted their monopoly on minds,” she said…
What's the word for Candace Owens, in a hearing about white nationalist violence, complaining about how she was victimized by being labeled a "conservative activist" while sitting next to a man whose two daughters and son-in-law were murdered in a hate crime?
— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) April 9, 2019
Candace Owens: “Hitler was not a nationalist – he killed his own people.” JFC! https://t.co/U54BYRspgb pic.twitter.com/pFruTpj1lj
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) April 9, 2019
Candace Owens is cool with Hitler but for some strange reason I have a feeling that Hitler would not have been cool with Candace Owens.
— Tony Posnanski (@tonyposnanski) April 9, 2019
Mort Klein is making the same “some nice people went to Unite the Right” argument we’ve been hearing and it is still not a good argument! https://t.co/9n4emA0kPq
— Jane Coaston (@cjane87) April 9, 2019
Congressman Biggs brought up that left wing violence should be addressed and entered a list of violence left wing acts into the record.
This is a hearing on white supremacist violence.
— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) April 9, 2019
A second Congressman has now asked the only Muslim person on the panel whether Muslims hate Jews.
This is a hearing on white supremacist violence.
— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) April 9, 2019
Louie Gohmert is using his time at the white nationalism hearing to claim that it's a hoax that Trump said there were "fine people on both sides" at Charlottesville. This has become a big talking point on the right over the past few months.
— Will Sommer (@willsommer) April 9, 2019
Holy carp. Congressman Cicillini is actually talking about white supremacist violence and the role of social media companies.
— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) April 9, 2019
(Cicilline is, of course, a Democrat.)
It's worth noting that Republicans saw a hearing on white nationalism and hate crimes as a direct attack on the Republican party. So at least they get it.
— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) April 9, 2019
elm
I love how Candace Owens thinks there is context for saying Hitler is “ok, fine”.
Also love the new right-wing social media hate notion that if you don’t watch hours of their shit, you can’t comment on it.
Betty Cracker
Quoted for truth.
Jerzy Russian
Candace Owens seems like a troubled person. I wonder how she ended up this way.
chopper
@Betty Cracker:
yep. it’s pretty indicative that they’re taking it so personally.
fuckin’ assholes.
The Dangerman
BlackAfrican American Hole?Amir Khalid
One of those Unite The Right people named himself Baked Alaska? Wow.
RedDirtGirl
Watching these RWNJ hacks sputtering in the face of actual oversight is a sight to behold. More please.
Mike in NC
Over at the Washington Post web site, torture and white supremacy advocate Marc Thiessen bizarrely praises “KISS” as the greatest rock band that ever existed, while commenters point out that Gene Simmons and the rest of them are just wealthy Trump supporters and all-round elderly wingnut geezers.
matt
Maybe Louis Gohmert is a pedophile. Keep an open mind.
Kraux Pas
@Amir Khalid:
Levi Johnston, is that you?
RedDirtGirl
@matt: It would be wrong not to speculate.
Amir Khalid
@Mike in NC:
How can Thiessen get it so wrong? The greatest rock band that ever existed is of course The Darkness.
Kraux Pas
@RedDirtGirl:
It’s a near-constant in the criticism of right-wing inspired violence that they will point out many other forms of violence, try to paint the entire associated group as violent, then ask why aren’t we talking about this.
These other forms of violence are never condoned by anyone, have been discussed at length, and appear to take a larger importance in the minds of the general public if mainstream media is an appropriate gauge to judge this by.
What is this called? A scarlet kipper?
sherparick
Candace Owens is only stupid if she thinks those white Republicans are really her friends. Hence, I think of her more on the malicious side of the the “stupid” or “evil” spectrum. Who know why people do what they do, but so far the whole persons benefiting from Ms. Owens activism are Movement Conservative Infotainment Outrage Production Complex and Ms. Owens (celebrity status and growing bank account). There is a large white audience for a black person who will say mean things about Obama, BLM, Black Civil Rights, and the Democratic Party.
James E Powell
@Jerzy Russian:
I assumed she saw an opportunity to be famous and make money.
Kraux Pas
@James E Powell:
I believe her part was played by Lisa Bonet in “Dear White People”
Peale
When they’re already this freaked out about rising left wing violence and we haven’t even formed our Maoist inspired militia cells, I can only imagine would happen if we did. Open carry militant feminists practicing at the shooting range and advocating for open borders but only for women might kill off 1/2 that congressional committee with heart attacks before one bomb was planted.
NotMax
Gohmert’s mind is so open it’s amazing the din of the wind whooshing through it hasn’t deafened him.
Kraux Pas
@Peale:
That’s fun to imagine. Unfortunately, though, I believe the case of Philando Castile demonstrates what happens to gun owners who aren’t the
whiteright ethnicity or the right sort of woman.trollhattan
@elm:
Did she mention whether Hitler had an ethos?
Kraux Pas
@trollhattan:
Say what you want about Nazism…
Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
I soooo wanted to hear Lieu clap back at Owens by saying he wasn’t calling Black people stupid, just her. And remind her and the world that Hitler killed tons of Germans before he started exterminating people in other countries in the name of nationalism…it was all part of his strategy to make Germany great again. She conveniently ignored that. She needs to GTFO out of here with that ‘Hitler wasn’t a nationalist’ BS.
bemused
I don’t know if the clip of Maxine Waters taking no guff from arrogant Mnuchin in hearing (Chris Hayes Thing 1 & 2) has been posted in previous threads but it was the best thing I’ve seen in a long time. Auntie Maxine and Nancy Pelosi don’t suffer fools gladly.
rikyrah
@Jerzy Russian:
She’s a Coon on the Pole. A slave catcher.
tokyokie
@Mike in NC:
And let us not forget that Gene Simmons, who is Jewish, became a millionaire in part by incorporating Nazi iconography into the band’s image. It is not merely coincidental that the “SS” in “KISS” is a dead ringer for the Schutzstaffel logo.
rikyrah
Ted Lieu brought receipts!!!
BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Joe Falco
A “hate hoax” is going to be a thing now, isn’t it? Just like “fake news” is used by Trump to discredit critics and actual reporting of his misdeeds.
I predict “hate hoax” is going to be used by the Right any time some horrific attack on a minority perpetrated by RWNJ’s occurs. This is just the next step by Trump and like-minded allies to use Orwellian language to redefine reality according to their terms and wishes.
Raoul
Gohmert exhorting people to keep an open mind makes me think of a turkey in the rain. Only instead of Louie’s mouth being open to the sky, his mind is so open all the good sense already drained out.
lamh36
I watched the premiere of Skip Gates Reconstruction doc in PBS (i sincerely hope you all caught it and if not make some effort to see it somehow, I’d like to believe that folks would want to watch it as much as they do Ken Burns latest docs) and it made that committee hearing with the Owens look like the bullshit travesty it was! Republicans and their token Black defenders should be ashamed!
rikyrah
Barr may push Dems to broach impeachment for full Mueller report
Rachel Maddow reviews Attorney General William Barr’s testimony before the House Appropriations Committee and notes that Barr’s refusal to ask a judge to release the grand jury material in the Mueller report could force Democrats to start an impeachment proceeding to create the proper judicial conditions to ask the judge themselves.
NotMax
@Raoul
He’s never gotten over the belittling of his asparagus.
rikyrah
The Moscow Project (@moscow_project) Tweeted:
Yet another reason not to trust Barr: He’s pushing the politically-motivated investigations Trump has been asking for since the moment he took office. t.co/EGF12dEZSV twitter.com/moscow_project/status/1115955730291597312?s=17
rikyrah
Schiff opens second front in bid to obtain Mueller report
Rachel Maddow reports on House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff requesting the Mueller report in the context of its counterintelligence investigation, even as he supports the public release of the Mueller report through the House Judiciary Committee.
rikyrah
Barr dodges violate spirit of special counsel process: Katyal
Neal Katyal, former acting U.S. solicitor general, and author of the special counsel regulations, talks with Rachel Maddow about how Attorney General William Barr’s partisan treatment of the Mueller report violates the spirit of the special counsel process.
rikyrah
Law obligates IRS commissioner to turn over Trump taxes: Summers
Former Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers talks with Rachel Maddow about why the law is clear that the IRS commissioner is obligated to respond to the request from Congress for Donald Trump’s tax returns, and why the White House should not be part of that process.
JGabriel
Jane Coaston @ cjane87 via Anne Laurie @ Top:
Any right-wing activist who went to that rally, saw the swastika tattoos, the torches, the KKK paraphernalia, and the ‘Blood and Soil’ and ‘Jews Will Not Replace Us’ chants, and still stayed to march them, is not a nice person.
One would think that wouldn’t have to be articulated in the 21st Century in America. Thanks, Republicans.
rikyrah
It is becoming clear to me that there will be disturbing and damning evidence inside Mueller’s report. So Trump’s strategy, as always, is to deny then obfuscate via proxies and finally go on the offensive by attacking those who uncovered his misdeeds. t.co/Q50X8hxlEY
— Robert Young Pelton (@RYP__) April 10, 2019
Joe Falco
@rikyrah:
I would love it if impeachment proceedings take place, which already should have started before now, because the corrupt administration became too corrupt to ignore.
Miss Bianca
@Peale:
It’s a sign of our times that I actually find myself thinking, “yeah, I’d be down with that display.”
Gin & Tonic
If only the US had somebody at the Cabinet level who could clearly articulate the threat of white supremacists movements like our neighbors do.
Plato
jl
So, some people are triggered by simple considering the interesting hypothetical world where Hitler was just a German FDR, but an FDR who focused on helping white people because he only cared about them, rather than because he thought it was politically feasible to start there in order to Make American Great Again? Why isn’t it interesting and very important right now to assert that hypothetical under the guise of interesting discussion and free speech, and then keep ‘discussing’ it until people think it’s true? Touchy touchy! /snark.
As for GOPers trying to deny odious statement that Trump and Trumpsters to have obviously and repeatedly said, and is recorded on many many many independent videos, maybe that will come in handy during 2020 campaign. Clip of Gohmert denying reality, followed by clip of reality. That will make a nice political ad.
tobie
@Plato: This has been bugging me to no end. Evidently Cohen has evidence that Trump encouraged him to lie in his testimony to Congress. When Buzzfeed reported this Mueller came down on the outfit like a ton of bricks. Now we hear crickets from him.
jl
Hitler wasn’t really a racist because he genocided and mass murdered a lot of people we decide to classify as White for the purposes of that particular argument only. (Jews are white for this argument, not white when they are evil world historic coup plotters who send inferior races to ‘replace us’)
Hitler was commie leftist like BS, Warrren and AOC, and on many policy proposals, most of the US population, because the word ‘socialist’ was in the name of his political party. (Maybe Hitler murdered all the actual socialist and communists he could find by accident? Maaayyybeeeee????)
Hitler wasn’t a nationalist because he genocided and mass murdered a lot of ‘White’ people (specially defined as ‘White’ for the purposes of this argument only) who were German citizens.
All this is very interesting to discuss as if it were serious. As is a hypothetical world where the moon is made of green cheese, and cheddar cheese submarines could be easily made if only the damned government would get out of the way. As is the probability of a special wind turbine caused ‘noise cancer’, the earth is flat, and 1 + 1 = -pi.
We run great risks to freedom if we argue against constant repetition of BS, by explaining that it is BS /snark.
kindness
Ever since Nixon Republicans used the Southern Strategy to peel racist whites away from the Democratic Party (good riddance to bad rubbish). And Republicans used dog whistles that anyone who wanted to hear the message heard it. Now in the age of Trump, the gloves have come off, large portions of the Republican base use their inside voice outside and let all their racism & hate hang out. And the sad part is only some Republicans are upset that they let the horse out the open barn door.
So much of the Republican base is so full of Fox rage & hate that I don’t understand how moderate, middle of the road suburban types can continue to support them. I know most of the elder generation of my clan switched over to our side after seeing their party go down in the gutter. The haters are proud of it now though. They don’t feel shame. They should. They should be ostracized from polite society and they should be fired when ever they raise their voices as such in a work environment.
And Bernie ain’t helping us here. I won’t sweep this under the rug any more.
rikyrah
Yep???
Joyce Alene (@JoyceWhiteVance) Tweeted:
Barr is concerned the Trump campaign wasn’t briefed. Leaving aside the fact FBI did brief on the threat of Russian interference, Barr should be troubled that the campaign never picked up the phone & told the FBI about any, let alone all, of the outreach it had from Russians. twitter.com/JoyceWhiteVance/status/1116003627079016449?s=17
rikyrah
???
Bernie’s Tax Returns is a Cop ?? (@OjPats4) Tweeted:
A socialist in the streets, but a capitalist between the sheets. twitter.com/OjPats4/status/1115777605255483394?s=17
Brachiator
@lamh36:
I only caught the first hour. It’s a little scattershot (too many talking heads), but it is still powerful stuff. And I agree that it is essential viewing.
And to think that Republicans used to be the party of Civil Rights.
rikyrah
She better get out there with some constituent services ??
Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) Tweeted:
Voters in AOC’s district, NY-14, thought by a 57-32 margin that it was a bad thing when Amazon cancelled its plans to build a headquarters in Queens. t.co/qCniGWJZdt twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1115968987945480193?s=17
rikyrah
Awe ?, this sweet child ??
twitter.com/queenxbean/status/1115332355554562048
Fleeting Expletive
Did Barr just sort of come unglued in that testimony about “spying” and “unauthorized surveillance”? I’m trying to find someone to clarify what he meant–can’t be FISA, since those are judge-authorized. I’m finding Asha Rangappa’s twitter somewhat helpful. I hope Cheryl or Adam or someone here will explore this. Barr looked like a bass gasping in a boat to me, sorta like he’d crawled so far up his own ass he couldn’t turn around. Sorry.
Kay
I made a small donation to Warren weeks ago because I was mad that political media treat her like shit (all of my donations are based on anger, basically) so I get her emails. I don’t read campaign emails generally but Warren’s are amusingly “on brand”- very transparent and pro-consumer. Earnest. I just thought it was endearing. It made me smile, because it’s so in keeping with her “message”.
Tenar Arha
I saw some of the hearing clips & live tweets yesterday. It’s really been sticking in my craw.
This was supposed to be a hearing about white supremacist violence & the way it’s encouraged online. The GOP Reps invited conspiracy theorists, Islamaphobes, & Hitler apologists as their experts. Plus, their questions were all right from the fever swampiest parts of the internet. And then every tangent & derailment undermined the very purpose of the hearing.
The Democrats were unable to ask detailed questions of Google & FB reps, or even of the experts from ADL. They ended up spending a large chunk of their valuable time debunking the grifters and charlatans invited by their GOP colleagues. It just underlined to me one of the many lessons of Kavanaugh’s confirmation, the committee hearing process is way too easy to derail.
And it made me realize, this isn’t going to stop even if in 2020 Democrats get majorities in the House & Senate, & win the Presidency. This kind of hearing sabotage requires a kind of hardball that I’ve never seen, at least as an adult, from the Democratic Party. Giving the imprimatur of seriousness to people like Mort Klein & Candace Owens is insupportable.
I’m not sure what can be done to fix it, but we should be thinking about it now. Because yesterday was as bad for fact finding as debating Holocaust deniers.
jl
@Fleeting Expletive: What is your Barr comment about? I’d like to know. If Barr is climbing on the bad faith GOP campaign to finger IC and fderal law enforcement agencies as coup plotters for investigating a crook like Trump, then that is alarming. I saw a tweet on Krugman or Marshall twitter showing that decades ago some in the GOP had the guts to call Barr what he is: a corrupt hack. Hearing any honesty at all from the GOP or their media hacks won’t happen now, but someone needs to point out his history and habits.
@Tenar Arha: I agree with you. A hopeful sign is that the more the majority of US voters hear garbage for clowns like Klein, Owens, and the brigade of toxic dimwit nutcases like Gohmert, the more they react with disgust. Interesting that I have seen repeated polling that shows approval of robust and generous US immigration policy has gone up, as the Trumpsters have doubled and tripled down on demonizing immigrants and immigration.
(((CassandraLeo)))
I kind of want “This is a hearing on white supremacist violence” to become a meme now.
I have nothing besides snark to offer at this point. I can’t even, as the kids say.
trollhattan
@Kay:
We are not getting a consultant-groomed and packaged Elizabeth Warren, we are getting Elizabeth Warren. And it’s goll-darn refreshing! It does not hurt that she has a golden retriever.
Whether you like her or not you know where she stands on most issues, and anything that could be missing she’ll still discuss.
Plato
Lol.
rikyrah
This exchange between @RepMaxineWaters and Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin is incredible.
She does not tolerate one second of this entitled arrogant asshole’s bullshit and I am 100% here for it.
Thank you, Maxine Waters!pic.twitter.com/iD2M1CGTQN
— Andrew Wortman (@AmoneyResists) April 9, 2019
chris
@Tenar Arha: Re: the hearing process. John Kerry doesn’t know anything about climate change because he isn’t a “real” scientist. So says Rep. Thomas Massie, Republican of Kentucky.
I have no words… cuz this is a family blog.
different-church-lady
@elm:
I know, right? Hasn’t she heard you don’t even need context for that anymore?
rp
@rikyrah: I don’t really get the point of that tweet. AOC had nothing to do with the deal itself, and I find it extremely unlikely that voters in her district will punish her for it.
germy
burnspbesq
@Amir Khalid:
Wanna see some white heads explode? Remind them that the greatest American rock band of our time consists of four Mexicans and a Jew.
germy
Death Panel Truck
@tokyokie: The “SS” in the logo was Ace Frehley’s idea. Unlike Simmons or Paul Stanley, he isn’t Jewish.
Gene Simmons is the greediest person on the planet. He’ll slap a KISS logo on anything. It was never about the (crappy) music for him. It’s always been all about the merch. He even sells KISS Kaskets. Seriously. Dimebag Darrell is buried on one.
jl
@Fleeting Expletive:
OK, I see what happened now. Josh Marshall gives a summary of Barr’s disgraceful and dishonest testimony today.
Let’s Stop Pretending
Bill Barr basically openly embraced the President’s discredited claim that the Obama administration “spied” on his campaign. He later seemed to partly backtracked and then tried to suggest that by “spying” he might just mean court approved surveillance as part of a counter-intelligence investigation. But that’s really just caviling. He’s embracing the President’s conspiracy theories and pushing ahead with what can only be called a retributive new investigation of the origins of the Russia probe.
talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/lets-stop-pretending
different-church-lady
@burnspbesq: The Eagles are not the greatest rock band of our time.
bemused
@germy:
It’s really difficult to laugh anymore at these stupidos. I can only groan and try to stop myself from banging my head on the desk.
J R in WV
@Mike in NC:
@Amir Khalid:
While I think we can debate over the best R&R band ever, starting with Bo Diddley and working our way through the Stones, the Beatles, Steely Dan, REM, The Pretenders, Pink Floyd etc…
I remain certain that we can all agree that the best R&R band ever is certainly NOT KISS.
jl
@J R in WV: Clash
germy
@Death Panel Truck:
Gene Simmons’ interview on the Fresh Air radio show was a dumpster fire.
Terry Gross is one of the most laid back people on radio, and she was obviously disgusted.
SFAW
@rikyrah:
Does he mean the treasonous traitors who treasonously traitored the traitorous investigation because they’re traitors who are treasoning the
Emperorpresident*?At least that’s what CNN and other media are calling them. Or maybe not calling them that directly, but publishing that the Liar-in-Chief said the treasonous traitors were just that.
Oh, I also found a slightly redacted copy of what appears to be an FBI report on the situation.
VOR
@chris: I was impressed by Massie’s argument that Kerry’s Bachelor of Arts (from Yale) in Political Science must be fraudulent because you can’t get an arts degree in a science.
rikyrah
FOREVER FLOTUS :)
Shine bright! Michelle Obama dazzles in Copenhagen as she promotes her memoir Becoming in a $2,300 crystal-embellished pink suit by a local Danish designer
Michelle, 55, took the stage at the Royal Arena in Copenhagen on Tuesday
The former first lady paid homage to the Danish capital by wearing a $2,310 light pink suit by local Copenhagen designer Stine Goya
Celebrity chef and talk show host Rachael Ray served as the moderator at the event, which is one of the six European stops on Michelle’s extended book tour
It was reported last month that her book, Becoming, is on track to become the best-selling memoir of all time
By ERICA TEMPESTA and MARLENE LENTHANG FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 19:51 EDT, 9 April 2019 | UPDATED: 09:42 EDT, 10 April 2019
Mayur
@tokyokie: Gene is a colossal shitbag, but I can easily see the borrowed letters (and yes, it makes me really uncomfortable to see that logo, particularly in the iconic silver-on-black scheme) just being chosen because they “look cool”; KISS is not the sort of band to really think very much about anything at all.
Man, Thiessen is just bizarre. I have friends who actually LOVE KISS, but it has entirely to do with the spectacle and the fact that they don’t take themselves seriously and they make simple, easy-to-party-to music. Even my KISS-obsessed friend who has bought tickets in multiple cities in which they’re doing their farewell tour wouldn’t call them “the greatest rock band” or even “one of the greatest rock bands.”
Conservatives are weirdos.
burnspbesq
@different-church-lady:
That is a highly accurate statement.
In case you’re unaware, this is who I was actually referring to.
youtu.be/FVbUD7kO4Ho
different-church-lady
@J R in WV: I am firmly of the opinion that they’re the worst R&R band of all time.
MattF
@VOR: I don’t know if it’s still true, but it used to be possible to get a BA in Engineering from Yale.
Ruckus
@NotMax:
My response was Louie is nothing but open mind, as in wide open spaces with absolutely nothing to slow the wind whistling through.
SFAW
@J R in WV:
Well, that’s as may be, but I think we can all agree that they’re in the top
1001,00010,00050,0001,275,981 greatest R&R bands.I think
jl
I think Marshall makes a good point here implicitly. There is enough damning information in plain public view on corrupt and immoral Trumpster behavior during the campaign. Would be good to highlight that, and start arguing that we need to see the Mueller report in order to understand what the investigation makes of that corrupt and unethical public display. Pelosi started in the right direction by highlighting that the Trumpsters did NOT contact FBI when Russians made overtures. Would also be good to note that several progressive groups in 2016 campaign DID contact FBI when Russians made overtures to them.
@joshtpm
Campaign chair hands internal campaign data to suspected agent of Russian intelligence for the purpose of handing over to Russia-aligned oligarchs after Russia has announced its support for the chairman’s campaign. Sounds like collusion to me, Chuck. Curious what you call it.
twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1116021872687243264
Note: Josh Marshall tweet directed to @ChuckRossDC (and I’m not sure who that is)
different-church-lady
@jl: I just a couple of weeks ago heard the legendary London Calling in its entirety.
It turns out I had already heard all the good tracks.
khead
I take a week off from the Internet and social media to enjoy a trip to the Jersey shore just to come back to this shit? Next trip is to a cave.
jl
@SFAW: People saying that KISS is an almost top 10,000 rock band? Huh, hoocuddanode?
SFAW
@burnspbesq:
That was a great album by a great group.
Mart
And of course on the right wing megaphone Candice Owens is a hero who totally owned the libtards.
Mandalay
@rikyrah:
Nate Silver can fuck the fuck off.
The very person who (correctly and constantly) whines about clueless fuckwits cherry picking data to make a point….cherry picks data! And yet…..
The difference between the fuckwits cherry picking data and Nate Silver cherry picking data is that the fuckwits aren’t necessarily hypocrites.
J R in WV
@burnspbesq:
So, hmmm… Los Lobos? One of my faves for sure. Have seen them a number of times. Amazing bunch of people! Thanks for bringing them up in this context!!
Vhh
@burnspbesq: which band was that?
MomSense
@lamh36:
I’m reading his book now. Very well put together.
Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho
@burnspbesq: Los Lobos? As opposed to 4 Canadians and a cracker.
trollhattan
@J R in WV:
Love Los Lobos and have seen their shows. When they have the big band with the bari sax, watch out!
Next up–opening for Tedeschi-Trucks Band. Should be a good night.
scav
Tittle white lies, little white violence, little white genocides — traditional greatness is clearly reborn. It’s not like they’re addicted to the hard drugs.
Amir Khalid
@different-church-lady:
I wonder if the now middle-aged dads of the Kiss Army are ever embarrassed by their choice of favourite rock band. I know I am not embarrassed by my teenhood favourites. Although I do regret not hearing of Bruce Springsteen and The E Street Band before I was nearly 20.
dexwood
@burnspbesq:
Guessing I’ve seen Los Lobos about 25 times since 1974. Last year most recently. They’ll be headlining a show in Taos on July 6. Two members of the band have family in Albuquerque so, they’re here frequently.
Belafon
To her right, our left, you can see her grandfather. The look he gives her when Lieu plays that tape makes me want to know what happened afterwards.
sgrAstar
@Tenar Arha:
Couldn’t agree more! Our committee chairs need to operate much more aggressively to check the ratf**kers. The disrespect shown to the victims of rw terrorism yesterday was profoundly shocking.
SFAW
@Amir Khalid:
Who?
johnnybuck
@Amir Khalid: I was into KISS when I was 12. Joined the KISS army and everything. It was a pretty scandalous thing to do in rural Georgia in 1976, as it was well known that they were devil worshipers and idolaters. Eventually you begin to hear real music by actual musicians and artists, and you realize how absolutely awful they really are. Thank God for Fleetwood mac, and Tom Petty.
WereBear
@rikyrah: I adore Maxine Waters. I agree with everything she’s been saying about this whole mess.
NotMax
@jl
Apologies in advance.
KISS sharing a stage with – well, you have to see it to believe it.
:)
rikyrah
BREAKING NEWS: One dead and 15 injured in North Carolina explosion after contractor drills into gas line under the sidewalk and blows up a building
The explosion happened in downtown Durham, North Carolina, on Wednesday
A contractor was drilling into the sidewalk and hit a two inch gas line
The explosion blew up a building that houses a coffee shop and a psychiatrist’s office
Residents said they heard a loud ‘boom’ and felt the ground shake at the time of the explosion
The area has been sealed off while fire fighters try to put out the blaze
By JENNIFER SMITH FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 12:05 EDT, 10 April 2019 | UPDATED: 13:14 EDT, 10 April 2019
rikyrah
???
HOLD UP: the nominee to be #2 @USDOJ is refusing to say Brown v. Board of Education was correctly decided?! Why? What on earth? Wasn’t okay in judicial noms context where excuse was that related issues could come before a judge. Unconscionable in this context. t.co/sK9ynbZoqJ
— Vanita Gupta (@vanitaguptaCR) April 10, 2019
Amir Khalid
@SFAW:
It’s an obscure little band from New Jersey. Good songs and a really cool live show..
SFAW
@NotMax:
Yeah, you better.
You are one twisted mofo. Jesus Mary and Joseph!
SFAW
@Amir Khalid:
Are we talking “EZ listening”/Mantovani-type stuff?
ETA: Asking for a friend who “doesn’t get out much.”
Martin
Corporations? Is there any problem they can’t solve?
So, run for public office, form a wholly owned LLC and have that LLC sell a product – say, pencils – for $1M each to foreign governments. The DOJ argues that’s perfectly legal.
jl
@rikyrah: Thanks. Not surprising to me. Nice follow-up from Blumenthal to demonstrate that the nominee was shamelessly and dishonestly weaseling out of an answer.
I wouldn’t have characterized the importance of the corrupt hack nominee’s personal opinion, but rather his professional opinion as a lawyer. The corrupt weaseling dishonest hack of a nominee has a professional opinion, right? Or not? He is a competent professional, right? Or not? His answer, with Blumenthal’s follow-up shows that is definitely is not honest. So, a natural for a Trumpster nominee.
Default assumption should be that every Trump nominee from now on is a corrupt lawless hack, a general purpose bigot on everything, and generally specifically unfit to hold any public office. The short and few-and-far-between days when there were any honest and competent cabinet sectys or Trump flunkies to sneak an even half-decent nominee past the miserable Trump are over.
Edit: in fact, Jerome Powell at FED is the only Trump appt that fits the honest and competent qualifications I can think of right now. But probably an accident, since Trump liked Yellen but thought she was too short. So, looks like someone said ‘Want a tall (male) Yellen? Then get Powell’. So, an accident. Yellen probably told Trump keeping interest rates low was important. Trump couldn’t follow what she was really saying, I’m sure.
SFAW
@Martin:
“Money laundering” is such a dirty (so to speak) phrase.
Martin
@NotMax: No stranger than Jefferson Starship as part of Star Wars canon.
J R in WV
@trollhattan:
“Next up–opening for Tedeschi-Trucks Band. Should be a good night.”
When and where
Mandalay
@jl:
Yep, that’s exactly what he did. He knew all along that he might need to back track, depending on how much pushback he got from the Democrats, but the whole shebang was surely pre-arranged with Trump’s blessing:
In other words, Barr has zero evidence that any illegal spying occurred, and he knows perfectly well that spying did occur which was “adequately predicated”. That is, the Trump campaign WAS being spied on with good reason.
And Barr doesn’t need to “explore” shit. He knows every detail already. He’s just another shill who will be tossed out the window by Trump when he’s no longer useful.
jl
@Mandalay: As I noted above, during Barr’s first stint and a corrupt flunky hack decades ago, there were a few GOPer politicians and pudnits willing to call him what he is. Not today.
chris
@VOR: Face meet palm.
jl
@chris: Is this the same guy who admired geology as a real deal ‘hard’ science that would push back on all that commie atheistic climate and evolutionary science stuff?
Ruviana
@NotMax: If you put your ear up next to his mouth (I know, I know), you can hear the ocean!
jl
@jl: Actually I know quite a few geology people. Geologists tend to downplay, and not be alarmist at all about, man caused climate change, since they can explain how it will all blow over in few million years, even if we humans continue to go to town with fossil fuels.
I guess it is all a matter of perspective. However, comforting, it is definitely not.
Brachiator
@jl:
Sounds like he had rocks in his head. Igneous, sedimentary and metamorphic.
jl
@Brachiator: I guess I am not a real man. When a geologist says “Well, the rocks will still be here, and when something replaces us that can think, someone will study them. Something will crawl out from some crevice in the rocks and re-evolve”, I am not overly comforted.
Dude, that is a long view, compared to everyone but astronomers.
schrodingers_cat
I have been sick since the weekend and I just can’t with the stupid anymore. Checking out for sometime for my sanity. See you in a bit guys!
JPL
@rikyrah: He appoints only the best.
chris
@jl: @ChuckRossDC is a Daily Caller (spit!) writer.
(Twitter tip: Mouse over any name for info,)
Tenar Arha
@jl: Yeah, but I disagree that this particular episode changed any minds, or illuminated much at all. And there’s been more than a few hearings like that lately. (see Rep Massie interrogating John Kerry)
I think Toni Morrison said it best about giving any time to nonsense.
So yes, I believe that it is a very hopeful sign that there’s been a real recoil in horror & now redefinition of the value of I mmigration that could be interpreted as “I will not be like them.” Though I think the videos of Representatives being turned away from the camps, the reporting about what happened to these families, & the videos of those emotionally harrowing reunions had more to do with that.
But I’ve been convinced over the past few years that it’s bad to give these kinds of people a platform because of what scholars of the Holocaust learned. Debating deniers in any forum where they get equal time, just gives them legitimacy, and spreads the poison around. The Gohmert’s of the world understand this instinctively, and use it against honest people who’re trying to understand things. Because the assumption is if you’ve been asked to testify in front of a committee on something, you’re somebody worth listening to.
And it’s a fundamental part of why YouTube & FB algorithms are so insidious. (Which would have been nice to hear questioning about yesterday). The “watch more like this” & the “like” buttons are both optimizing for what grabs people’s attention not factuality, & thus they’re actively spreading misinformation to people who might never have searched for or watched some kind of denialist video if all they had was the physical library for research. And it wastes the people trying to investigate & solve these problems time.
jl
@Tenar Arha: Just to clear, I wasn’t suggesting that giving them a platform is in any sense good. When they do get to hog a platform, we need to use every means to counter their BS.
All I was saying was that it is a good sign that most of the US population is recoiling at the BS they hear when these bigots and nutcases do get undeserved platforms.
But, I am for yanking undeserved platforms, I am especially for aggressively answering BS people spout on undeserved platforms, and I am aggressively for calling out anyone, including calling out corrupt corporate media pundit and news actor frauds who in any way give these frauds, BS and hate artists any cover.
But, nevertheless, fact that most of US population is still resisting the BS is a good sign.
chris
@jl: Don’t know but Massie has an engineering degree from MIT. A lot of the early climate denialists and a surprising number of young earth creationists were engineers.
MomSense
@burnspbesq:
I just heard two songs done by an Austin lawyers singing group. Here they are for your listening pleasure.
I’m billing time
appointed forever
They are funny for non lawyers,too.
jl
@chris: All of the geologists or geological engineers I know (and I know quite a few because of some stats and engineering econ teaching I do) believe in evolution and believe in man caused climate change due emissions of a variety of heat absorbing molecules.
In fact, it was a geological engineer who explained to me how molecular geometry plays an important role in what makes for a good heat absorbing molecule.
But some engineers learn nothing but how to compute algorithms that they don’t understand. Which can be a bad thing.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@jl:
They really dig their work.
Dan B
@lamh36: Watched the first episode of Reconstruction. Had to remind myself to breathe several times. I was reminded of how the dominant powers on the “good side” seem to believe that the issue, white violence against blacks in this case, have been addressed and.. we can’t afford the cost of protection. See Chief Justice Roberts and Voting Rights Act for history on repeat.
There was much more. Glad he didn’t overload the brutal imagery or sidestep it either.
Tenar Arha
@jl: It’s funny, but if you’d told me a couple decades ago, back when I was working with computers, that I’d be arguing that deplatforming or lower rankings on some ideas was a positive good, I probably would have laughed at you. (Though it probably wouldn’t have been too too hard to convince me that I should think about it considering some of the woo-woo I started to see spread around blogs online).
trollhattan
@J R in WV:
May 21 in Sac.
AnotherBruce
@NotMax: Gohmert’s mind is so open, his brain fell out of his head.
Dan B
@rikyrah: OMG are they trying to rewrite US history that the Klan was the best thing that happened to the “negro race”? I was in small town Arkansas in 1960. The black school was uninsulated corrugated sheet metal with green fiberglass panels for windows.
ET
Obviously Candace is an idiot but she is such an idiot that she fails to see that a POC such as herself would have been sent to the camps. If she had been in Germany at the time her agreeing with his goals wouldn’t have saved her from death camps. Being a useful idiot has a very, very short shelf life.
Fleeting Expletive
@MomSense: Lordy, those are funny!!!!1 Do they perform? Thank you.
cain
@Mike in NC:
Wait, Gene Simmons is a Trump supporter? Well fuck…. At least my favorite band, Rush is no such thing.
Mooser
@jl:
Bob Barr, Mueller’s great friend. He just called for Mueller to be investigated for treason. What a pal.
cain
One of my centralist friends has been going rightward as a reaction to the left. But not necessarily in the same direction as GOP or what not. I enjoy the other point of view as sometimes I think I’m in a bubble and it’s good to see what she says and think about it. But today I had no idea why she thought that Ted playing Candice’s video made her a sympathetic figure. She usually spends most of her time bashing the democratic party but doesn’t say much about the republican one. It annoys me. I can understand that it’s obvious the Republican party has gone AWOL and there is no point talking about that party when the only real adult one is the Democratic party. Still the Republicans still hold two branches of govt.
Booger
@germy: I had to wash my radio after that interview. It’s not in their archive but the transcript is in Terry Gross’ book. Every bit as aweful as one would remember.
Uncle Cosmo
@MattF: I have a BA in Physics from Johns Hopkins. (With “general & departmental honors”, FTR.)
jl
@Mooser:” Bob Barr, Mueller’s great friend. He just called for Mueller to be investigated for treason. What a pal. ”
I’m sure Barr is very sorry about it, but, hey, you know, it’s just business…