Q: You’re stranded on a deserted island with a vegan, a crossfitter, and a Bernie Sanders evangelist. You have a gun with one bullet. Who do you shoot?
A: Yourself, but make sure you swallow the barrel deeply to take out your brain stem before you pull the trigger because you don’t want to miss.
kindness
Need more sharp objects on this desert island. Just sayin’.
trollhattan
It’s the only way.
catclub
turn it into the trolley problem.
Figure out a way to send the trolley down every track and kill the vegan, the crossfitter AND the bernie-evangelist
Bard the Grim
John, you need to rub Steve’s belly again. Take care, dude.
Jude
We are so screwed. I can’t believe where this guy is polling. It’s actually at a point where I’m going conspiracy theory and don’t believe the polls. None of it makes any sense. Why can’t people see how high a caliber of women we have vs a crabby old man who helped elect Trump? Gah. All I can hope is it’s a copy of how Jeb was presumed to be the primary winner. We all know how that worked out for him.
lamh36
nah…I’d go with the evanglist.
I’ve always wanted to try vegan…and I could always stand to lose some weight
zhena gogolia
@Jude:
I keep telling myself to calm down and wait for some debates. But I do think Russia is helping him and will continue to do so, because he’s the surest bet to lose to Trump.
MomSense
@lamh36:
I’m pretty close to vegan as it is. I could stand to do more strength training so I’m going to have to go with a Wilmer evangelist.
mrmoshpotato
@Jude:
Survey says! MISOGYNY!
lamh36
speaking of Bernie cultist…
Bernie and his fanatics are already being the jackassses they were in 2016…and the NYT doing they trashy dirty work for them. Disgusting…
The NYT hit piece where they use Neera Tanden’s elderly mother quotes to draft a hit piece is disgusting.
And then gloat about it…smh
mrmoshpotato
@lamh36: Same. The few vegans I know are fine with us omnivores. And I could use a good exercise routine.
piratedan
the willow is too close to the island…..
tobie
What’s a cross fitter?
In other news–as I mentioned in the thread below–a George W. Bush appointed Judge named Reggie Walton says he may want to see the full Mueller report to check if Barr’s redactions are appropriate. I don’t want to raise my hopes any but it would be great if Barr got pressure not only from the House but also from a Republican appointed judge.
matt
A: shoot Jack Dorsey, enjoy the stay on the island until rescued.
Harbison
Senator Sanders is leading the polls and the fundraising.
Democrats need to decide if they want to win in 2020.
mrmoshpotato
@piratedan: Or is the island too close to the willow?
Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho
Is it bitchy beyond the pale to point b out that jokes with a suicide punchline might not be too fucking funny to people who lost a loved one to suicide? Or who tried unsuccessfully?
Because the mental health education advocate part of me is compelled to point that out. *I* consider suicide a natural cause of death, and encourage tbe young 4th year residents in psychiatry I teach to do the same, because all doctors w/o treat patients lose some of them, and the brain disorders, while often manageable, can bev just as lethal as cancer or infections. I’ll be blegging for Team Bella Q in the SW OH NAMI Walk, once the team page is set up
I’ll show myself out now.
FWIW, I agree that you offered both the correct answer and good advice for success. But advocates gotta advocate.
Gin & Tonic
@lamh36:
I dunno, most of the ones I’ve known are pretty scrawny, I don’t think you’ll get a lot of good meat off them. I think the crossfitter might be tastier.
trollhattan
@Harbison:
Who’s leading among Democrats?
Avalune
I’m inclined to go with Bernie Bro. Depending on the island, we might all be vegan in the end. And the crossfitter can do all the heavy lifting while I shout DO YOU EVEN LIFT into his face.
Odie Hugh Manatee
Once again, Daily Kos has become Daily Bernie. Just like the last election, Bernie bros are crapping all over the place to push their hero to the top there. So far I think their score in presidential elections is 0… every candidate they have supported has lost (in 2012 they had no choice but Obama). Hell, Obama joined Kos before 2008 and quickly gave up on the place after a couple of posts.
VeniceRiley
@Harbison: I’d rather drink a bucket of warm dog vomit.
trollhattan
@Gin & Tonic:
Could possibly get away with vegetarian but vegan? No way no how.
lamh36
uh…Flint still doesn’t have good water…Puerto Rico still needs help…helll…those 3 churches here in Louisiana…but of course…
rp
It’s SOOOOO early in the process. Please don’t freak out about polls at this stage.
lamh36
Brachiator
Shoot the Bernie evangelist. I could use the exercise and probably the help in getting tasks done. If push comes to shove, we could probably eat the vegan.
lamh36
BruceFromOhio
@Brachiator: mmmm, free range, anti-biotic free, no hormones or gmo’s, works for me.
Kay
@Harbison:
Why doesn’t Senator Sanders do some outreach? To Democrats?
This is a primary, right? Isn’t he supposed to prove he’s a leader and bring people together?
trollhattan
@rp:
Polls and money counts. Just ignore them. It’s half a year from them being meaningful.
Wayne Marks
I’d take out the Bernie Bro – useless, annoying, counter-productive. The Vegan can probably find some food. I don’t know what a cross-fitter is, I really have never heard the term before. Me, I’d fish.
MoxieM
Can I have Dragonglass? (for the Bernie guy).
You kill them once and they keep coming back …
Mnemosyne
@lamh36:
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?!?!?
@Harbison:
Let me guess, you think that Neera Tanden’s elderly mother deserved to be publicly humiliated by the New York Times because her daughter opposes Bernie.
Fuck off, and keep on fucking off.
chopper
it’s too early for this shit to start already. fuck me, he’s gonna try to burn it all down again, isn’t he.
C Stars
My dad became a vegan after having two heart attacks in two years in his early 60s. This came after a lifetime of bad food choices. And it made a big difference for him healthwise; he looks and feels healthier now, ten years later, than he did then. And people endlessly, endlessly, in full ridiculous belief that their own trite and unoriginal jokes about it are 100% novel and clever, give him shit about it. He lets it roll off his back, but I find it extremely tiresome. I’d rather have an alive vegan dad than a dead dad who you bullied into eating your poorly grilled supermarket preformed pink slime patty, folks. Suck on that.
My spouse, on the other hand, is a Bernie supporter, for which there is no excuse…
trollhattan
@Wayne Marks:
It’s like a pipefitter who’s always angry.
lamh36
And this is why you don’t go on Fox news…
trollhattan
@C Stars:
I know this doesn’t help but a simple, “My doctor ordered me to.” will suffice for anybody who is not insufferably annoying. And that way you can find out who to not hang out with.
Emma
@Harbison: And your casual dismissal of his rabid followers’ behavior tells me all I need to know. You’re all punching above your weight; the Russian slime machine will eat you alive. They don’t want him to win because he’s an true Believer and you never know how they’ll jump. They’ll use him to hand the election over to trump again.
kindness
@Odie Hugh Manatee: I agree the BernieBros are trying their hardest to work the polls at DailyKos but Markos is certainly not a BernieBro and says as much in his pieces. Having said that I see BernieBros doing the exact same thing they did in 2016. This won’t end well.
What could one expect in the age of Trump that an enraged Democrat takes out Bernie? Hope not but with the dial being pushed to 11 1/2 I can’t say what is going to blow first.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Gin & Tonic:
No no no. You have to go for the meathead tryhards who always go, “do you even lift, bro?” They’re chock full of protein
James E Powell
@Harbison:
Sure, but they don’t need to decide this month. We are so far out from any votes being counted that it is silly to hope or despair at poll results. The great mass of Americans don’t give a shit about politics and they are not spending any time right now learning about candidates. The polls are showing name ID.
Mnemosyne
@C Stars:
In my experience, the people who become vegans for health reasons are far, far less annoying than the people who adopt it as their new religion that must be spread far and wide. They’re also a lot more fun to go to restaurants with because they don’t freak out at the possibility that a molecule of honey got into their food. ?
I live in So Cal, so we get a LOT of the more annoying type, but my BFF and her husband are both non-annoying vegans for similar health reasons.
mrmoshpotato
@C Stars: I hope you live in a state Hillary won, so you can take some solace in that.
Avalune
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: I once won a bench press competition and sent the photo of me with my trophy to my son with the caption Do you even lift? He got a chuckle. But don’t eat me, I’m full of fat, not protein.
Baud
I’m not too worried yet about Bernie winning the nomination. I’m more worried about what he and his people do when they don’t.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Mnemosyne:
Do you ever get annoyed at the people who avoid gluten even though they don’t have celiac disease? I feel like it’s become just like anti-GMO and “all-natural”. It’s lazy thinking since chemicals that occur in nature can kill a person. Being “natural” doesn’t always equate to “good” or “healthy”
Patricia Kayden
@Harbison: If he’s the Democratic nominee, I’ll vote for him against Trump. I’m not an idiot like the Sanders voters who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Secretary Clinton because reasons.
C Stars
@trollhattan: Thank you for that advice. At this point most of his close friends know and have stopped razzing him. It’s usually family members who only see him a couple times a year. And after trying (really!) really hard to hold my tongue I usually blurt out some version of “He had two fucking heart attacks, you dumbass!”
The Bernie thing worries me. All the people I know who went crazy for him (spouse included) last time around are right back on the bandwagon. I had hoped some of them would move on, but no. Trying not to pay too much attention to it for mental health reasons, but watching my better half getting all misty eyed over his fox town hall yesterday was almost my limit.
karen marie
@Harbison: Motherfucker. Sanders is not a Democrat. This drives me wild. Not directed at you personally.
karen marie
@Avalune: I like your thinking.
mrmoshpotato
@Baud: SPOILER ALERT: Be a pouty asshole like 2016 and fuck 65 million of us over again.
gene108
@kindness:
Don’t get the Bernie Bro contingent this time around.
He isn’t offering anything radically to the left of any other person in the Democratic primary.
Seems to have gone into cult of personality mode.
Gin & Tonic
@Harbison:
We do. That’s why we can’t have a non-Democrat taking the nomination.
Jay
@lamh36:
Nope, this is why you don’t go on Faux:
https://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2019/04/do-fox-news-two-step.html?m=1
Yutsano
@Avalune: So now we know how you got Leto…
:P
C Stars
@gene108:
That was always my issue with Sanders. It sounds trivial, but I have just never sensed that there’s much there politically or philosophically, behind the avuncular 70’s college professor persona. And as we are now so painfully aware, you can’t build an effective presidency based on a persona.
trollhattan
@gene108:
I continue finding pieces stating that other candidates with left-leaning policies are just copying Wilmer and so because reasons, he deserves this and BTW only he can win ™!
It was old in 2016 and hasn’t gotten any better since.
Juju
@C Stars: What does your spouse say about his age? I know from experience with my mother that there is a noticeable decline after 80 even for people who have watched their health and taken care of themselves. I am not a fan of Sanders, but I think both he and Biden are too old. There is also a big difference between being president and being a senator. I don’t want an octogenarian President. The one in his 70s is addled enough as it is.
Mnemosyne
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
I do get annoyed with them, but it’s because I’m an evangelist for something else: people who avoid “gluten” because it causes IBS and digestive problems are probably sensitive to the fructans (ogliosaccharides) in wheat and similar grains, not the gluten in them. What they need to do is follow a low-FODMAP diet, not a gluten-free one.
Do you even FODMAP, bro? ?
lamh36
But I thought…the town hall was a win for Bernie..
Avalune
@Yutsano: Lol – yep clubbed him with my meat hook/arm and dragged him back to my cave.
gene108
@C Stars:
Bernie scares me. Other than his hardcore followers, he has no base of support in the Democratic Party.
Given that he’s turning 78 this year and will be turning 79, in 2020, he is too damn old. Plus, I think Trump can and will make people see him as a frail old man, in comparison to Trump.
Kay
@Baud:
It is amazing though.
Here’s the “national political correspondent” for the NYTimes. It’s all Bernie. They mention Warren in passing but only to scold her for spending too much campaign money.
They’re fighting Hillary Clinton. Again. They even brought back the Wikileaks emails yesterday.
Mnemosyne
@lamh36:
This is why the Bros hate David Brock, too — he tells them things they don’t want to hear.
eemom
@rp:
Precisely. If folks don’t chill the fuck out this place is gonna self combust long before the first primary vote is cast.
Talk about learning nothing from experience.
debbie
@tobie:
CrossFit is that exercise program that Paul Ryan was all hopped up about. The adrenaline rush turns practitioners into acolytes. It’s cross training that’s pretty high-impact. A couple of people at work who do it have injured themselves. Not just little pulls or strains, but torn tendons and rotator cuffs.
zhena gogolia
@Harbison:
We do want to win. That’s why it can’t be Sanders.
zhena gogolia
@Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho:
I found it a not so funny joke too.
WaterGirl
@lamh36: That’s the risk you take with FOX. On the other hand, couldn’t they do all that same misrepresenting and bashing even if the town hall had been on another channel?
I don’t watch FOX so I can’t say for sure that’s how they roll, but don’t they bash DEMS all day long anyway?
zhena gogolia
@chopper:
Yes, but I’m hoping he’s peaking too soon.
gene108
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
I am sort of split. On the one hand, people who can’t digest gluten have more eating options. On the other hand, I think it is another dumb health fad.
Kay
@gene108:
I think it’s horrible that his supporters take the rest of the party for granted. It’s revealing that they’re not the slightest bit concerned that Democrats will refuse to vote for Bernie if their candidate doesn’t win, like Bernie people refused to vote for Clinton. That’s pretty damn arrogant. Probably accurate, Democrats probably will vote for Sanders if their chosen candidate doesn’t win, but it’s awful that Sanders and his supporters take that for granted.
eemom
@Harbison:
Uh, what was that about trolls who’ve never been seen here before? Cheryl, where art thou? Cuz this one is so obvious he probably does have a .ru e-mail.
Amir Khalid
@Kay:
Leader? Leader? You misunderstand Wilmer’s purpose. He’s not there to lead, he’s there to be anointed.
johnnybuck
I’m takin’ out the tali-berner and moving to the other side of the Island.
ABB’20
lamh36
@Jay: yeah…I was just reading about that.
Mnemosyne
@debbie:
I had a civil conversation with a friend who’s really into it and we were able to agree that people need to be careful to find the right coaches who emphasize form over speed, or you can seriously injure yourself.
C Stars
@Mnemosyne: Yeah, I live in CA too and encounter a lot of food extremists: raw foodists, people who only drink that gross lemon-cayenne mixture for days on end, non-celiac gluten spooks, the barefoot paleos wandering the meat aisles of Whole Foods looking for a mate, the moms on the playground who will tear an apple slice out of their child’s fingers if they realize it’s not organic, etc. I tend to find the vegans/vegetarians the least offensive of the bunch, but that could just be circumstance.
zhena gogolia
@eemom: @Harbison:
O, da, nado bylo ego sprosit’, kakaia pogoda v Ekaterinburge?
tobie
@debbie: Thanks. I’m obviously woefully out of date when it comes to the latest fitness fads, and anything associated with Paul Ryan is an automatic turn-off.
Amir Khalid
@Avalune:
The cooks on TV all say that the fat is where the flavour is.
Kay
@Amir Khalid:
Right. Like a…coronation, almost.
He certainly gets a lot of positive press coverage, Bernie. So compelling is the “Democrats in Disarray” story he promotes, the other candidates have completely disappeared.
Avalune
@Amir Khalid: True but there must be some meat to flavor – can’t all be fat. :-P
WaterGirl
For anyone who doesn’t get the Penzey’s emails, they have a lot of deals going on that end today.
They say $96 worth of spices for $20, with some money going to refugees. And free shipping with $20 of spices.
To get the whole $96 worth, they suggest you buy multiples of the $22 worth of spice for $5 and give some to people who don’t know about Penzey’s.
I didn’t buy multiples, but I still got $63 of spices for $23, with free shipping.
lamh36
zhena gogolia
@WaterGirl:
His e-mails have been really great.
rikyrah
José (@josecanyousee) Tweeted:
A tale of two red state mayors:
Julian Castro:
✔️ Former mayor of a city with a population of 1.5 million
✔️ HUD Secretary
✔️ Harvard graduate
Pete Buttigieg:
✔️ Mayor of a city with a population of 102k
✔️ Vet
✔️ Harvard graduate
Yet, media is focused on one dude. Why. https://twitter.com/josecanyousee/status/1118198415186247680?s=17
debbie
@Mnemosyne:
Right. From what I’ve seen, you really have to have one-on-one coaching, not these large class settings. My co-workers have spent more time recuperating than participating, and they always seem to think they’ll bounce right back.
gene108
@C Stars:
He struck me as a hippy, who read some Marx in his younger days and decided Marxism is The Truth, and never reconsidered much as he got older.
His whole thing about racism can be fixed, by having a more equitable economy really sounds like how the Soviet Union tried to explain things, after WW2, in terms of the class struggle and Marxist economic theory as the basis for Nazi atrocities.
He’s just ramming everything into this neat explanation of how the world really works, which he discovered in his younger days.
johnnybuck
@rikyrah: I’m already tired of Mayor Pete.
Keith P.
What’s the caliber of gun? If it’s large enough, you could line some up and get a 2-for-1 (or maybe 3)
Kayla Rudbek
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: there’s a possibility that people have reactions to other chemical compounds in the wheat besides gluten. Also allergies to wheat are I think possible. So my dairy-allergic self is perfectly fine with wheat avoiders. I’m happy to take their word that wheat makes them sick or avoiding wheat makes them feel better. Just 1) label everything properly and 2) don’t try to adulterate my food because “allergies are all in the head” like some benighted brain-dead Foxbot!
What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?
I’d shoot the CrossFiter. I think my bare hands would do for the other two.
Kayla Rudbek
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: and yes, arsenic is perfectly natural. (Stops trying to channel all of my chemistry professors and chemical colleagues at once)
VeniceRiley
@C Stars: The same fox town hall where, I just found out, Bernie advocated for better nicer concentration camps for asylum seekers at the border – as opposed to the successful Obama era catch-and-release program?
He didn’t think that was hella racist?
Bernie hasn’t even visited one of these detention camps.
khead
Got a chuckle out of the inclusion of the crossfit folks. Every single one I know is a bit cultish.
Kayla Rudbek
@Mnemosyne: yes, figuring out exactly what makes one sick is more helpful.
Keith P.
@khead: I went out on a date with someone who was like that about jazzercise. It was all I could do to not say “JAZZERCISE?!??! Are you fucking kidding me?” ever time she mentioned it. It was an obsession.
C Stars
@johnnybuck: I actually like Mayor Pete, but he’s definitely overexposed at this point. Lately the media seems so desperately incapable of focusing on more than one person/policy idea at a time.
@lamh36: Doesn’t that Neera Tanden article just perfectly encapsulate the NYT’s snide, passive-aggressively clickbaiting editorial schtick these days? It strikes me as so similar, in an opposite sort of a way, to the Features section BJ they gave old Gavin McInnes a few months ago. Well, and then there’s the sexism. Glad I canceled my subscription.
I think I’m in a bad mood today.
The Dangerman
@rikyrah:
Two Dudes (PB and
JBS, a shit sandwich). Neither can win.Shoot the Bernie Evangelist; I bet you can get the Vegan or the Crossfitter to shut up.
Kirtaf
I look at the polling this early as Bernie at whatever percent he’s at and anti-Bernie is all the rest of the candidates combined. I haven’t picked one candidate yet and I think that’s true with most voters. It’s way too early and I need more information to make up my mind. What I do know is that I don’t want Bernie for sure. As the field sorts out and narrows down, Bernie’s lead will drop.
trollhattan
Out of can’t-evens.
trollhattan
Somebody gets it.
I so want to appear on “Hey Kentucky!” Lots of material, have I.
Mike in NC
Tweety is hosting a discussion on Bernie right now, and there’s our old buddy Andrew Sullivan!
trollhattan
@Mike in NC:
Co-met, co-met, co-met!
Jeffro
Bernie’s too old, and the Dems are 95% aligned on 95% of the issues anyway.
Fresh faces, Dems! Oh and DEMS, Dems. Not sainted “independents” – I want a D.E.M. End of story.
Baud
@Kay: I’m not surprised.
C Stars
@VeniceRiley: My husband and I don’t talk about Bernie because I usually get upset about the stuff that everyone here has mentioned (his age, his unfinished politics, the fact that he is NOT EVEN A DEMOCRAT etc) and we don’t want to fight. He LIKES the guy. I really think that’s the beginning and end of it. Bernie’s the mellow, nonviolent intellectual dude that a whole generation of folks wish they had for a dad instead of the scary and aggressively Republican dads they did have in real life. That’s my theory. I dunno.
geg6
@Avalune:
THIS!
Matt
Brilliant plan, John – that way the decent people on the island will have something to eat!
Can’t wait to hear more of your murderous fantasies; you can take the Republican out of the party but you can’t take the Republican out of a soul.
Agorabum
@Harbison: Almost all Democrats will be fine with Sanders if he actually wins the nomination (almost a year before the first votes is a looong time, so…). As the joke notes, it is the Sanders evangelist that is annoying, not Sanders himself.
JR
JFC Cole, I’m no fan of Bernie but are we really going to do this shit again? There is an existential motherfucking threat on the other side.
Aleta
Leave the vegan alone because she’s the only one who’ll never eat you. You’ll need the crossfitter to row, once you float the boat that someone sank before the hurricane came. Keep the gun in case the crossfitter turns on you, but trade him the shiny bullet for his squat rack. Make a cover for it and a paddle out of all that washed-up sea plastic. Tell the evangelist he can borrow the boat cause Bernie’s arriving to speak tomorrow over there where the blinding sun is going down. Drag him (fast) out to where the bottom drops off and the current picks up. Shove that metal as though the election depends on it, planting both feet on the edge of the rack; tight tuck, fling arms over head, arch and dive backward.
Baud
@Agorabum:
No, Sanders is annoying too. But we’ll put our country first if it comes to it.
C Stars
@JR: Gotta agree with you here. Lets focus our energy on boosting one the of the many fantastic Democratic candidates, not on a Sanders (or Trump) hate-fest. Our hate-fests just give power to the dark side; that’s how it works.
Ruviana
I’d keep the vegan. We could swap recipes and make fun of the Berner. And the crossfitter would be busy exercising so we’d never have to interact with them.
lamh36
Kamala Harris and public policy and crime prevention…
Video clips at link…
WhatsMyNym
@gene108: Re Gluten Free – There is a ton more food & drink out there because of the bigger demand for it, even just testing food for gluten helps. The nutter’s will get bored and go away soon enough, and those of us who are stuck with the issue will still have the better selection than there was 10 years ago.
For those who try GF food, sugar is a common ingredient in prepared GF products.
Doug R
Use the Indiana Jones method:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6tzqlxOr2U
Jay
“Authorities said Tuesday they are looking for an 18-year-old woman suspected of making threats against Columbine High School, just days before the 20th anniversary of a mass shooting that killed 13 people.”
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/colombine-lockdown-threats-1.5100909
Johnnybuck
@C Stars: exactly.
VeniceRiley
@C Stars: It’s a lot like losing a relative to the Fox news Cult. You cannot talk to them about it at all.
I’m sorry!
Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho
@eemom: Word.
E..g., @johnnybuck: Christ don’t say that – you’ll start a 30 comment brawl.
@zhena gogolia: I suspected I might be the only one.
And Bill Penzey’s emails have been terrific.
schrodingers_cat
New Ruskie troll in the comment section!
Johnnybuck
@Agorabum: No, it’s pretty much Bernie. Your supporters tend to reflect and all that. I’ll vote for the fucker if it comes to that, but we’ll be well and truly fucked if it does.
wasabi gasp
Thread is a crazy decaled van sitting in a sears parking lot.
NotMax
Tain’t funny, McGee.
:(
TriassicSands
Cole’s “joke.” Stupid, bigoted, unfunny “humor.” (I am neither a vegan nor a crossfitter and I despise Sanders.) This kind of humor used to be at the expense of African Americans, Poles, blondes, etc.
When the Democratic presidential primary field began to expand, my initial response was that it was a large GOP field in 2016 than gave us Trump. My concern was and is that the huge Democratic field this year makes it much more likely that Sanders will get the nomination. Not quite a disaster (I hope), but a terrible outcome for the party and the country. Sanders will be a better president than Trump — being worse would be nearly impossible — but I expect him to be incompetent. His election in 2020 would, I fear, make the likelihood of a Republican president in 2024 much greater.
There a quite a few unnecessary Democratic candidates — too young, too inexperienced, largely unqualified. Candidates like O’Rourke would be much more attractive in eight years.
I live in Washington State, and while I value Inslee as my governor (lots of good things have happened during his tenure), he needs to be in the race because he is the only candidate giving climate change the priority it deserves. Warren is great on domestic issues, but the Green New Deal is aspirational (a good thing), but currently not a useful blueprint to address climate change. There are many important issues that have been ignored too long and deserve attention, but none of them are as critical to address NOW as climate change. We need to direct the kind of attention to the climate that we gave to the Manhattan Project in WWII, but without any of the secrecy.
If Sanders does get the nomination, my vote for him would be the most grudging of my long years of voting.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@kindness: Oh I know that Kos himself isn’t a BernieBro but his site sure is getting worked over by them. Bernie is the Tonya Harding candidate and his supporters are busy kneecapping the other Democratic candidates.
Jay
https://mobile.twitter.com/AOC/status/1118264954782715911
Gin & Tonic
If Sanders gets the nomination it’ll be 1972 again; I’ll stay home because my vote certainly won’t matter, and a choice between one Russian asset or another is a pointless exercise.
Aleta
@Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: No, not at all.
FelonyGovt
I will probably work hard for the Democratic nominee for President- whatever DEMOCRAT that is. However, if it’s Bernie (heaven forbid) I will do nothing other than vote for him and will instead concentrate on Senate and local races.
kd bart
@trollhattan: I remember the Lieberman Presidency well.
eemom
@Gin & Tonic:
How old ARE you? I’m no spring chicken, but I was only 10 in 1972….
Gin & Tonic
@eemom: Old.
zhena gogolia
@Gin & Tonic:
Same here.
NotMax
@eemom
Heh. Still moisture lurking behind the ears.
;)
FlipYrWhig
@C Stars:
I actually think there’s a lot to the psychodrama theory for Bernie fandom — in essence, a lot of the bros see mainstream Democrats as their embarrassing yuppie-liberal parents, a/k/a “wine moms” — but if I were listing character traits for Bernie Sanders I reallllly don’t think I’d pick “mellow.” Cool Dad isn’t constantly shouting and wagging his finger.
eemom
@Gin & Tonic: @zhena gogolia: @NotMax:
Ah c’mon…y’all can’t be THAT much older than me and still be, like, alive and shit….
Bobby Thomson
@gene108: gone into?
dww44
@Kay: LOL. So true and on point. I do appreciate your commentary.
Bobby Thomson
@schrodingers_cat: Close. I think it’s a Republican doing cosplay.
Bobby Thomson
@JR: the die was cast when that self aggrandizing jackass staffed up with objectively pro-Trumpers like Turner and Sirota. At this point the only path forward is to take him down so quickly that when he turns he has no momentum.
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
@Kay: The Vichy Times hired a bunch of character assassin from Politico to target Clinton. She’s no longer around, but they still are and they’re doing what they were hired to do: sniper attacks on Dems.
Johnnybuck
@eemom: I was eight. One of 3 kidd to vote McGovern in our class election. Got beat up.
Fuck Bernie
Tom Hamill
Suggested penance for the vegan wisecrack is 10 Hail Linguinis and an hour at nutritionfacts.org.
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
@FlipYrWhig: Also too, Wilmer is not an intellectual. Elizabeth Warren is an intellectual. Wilmer is not. Remember his infamous interview with NY Daily News when he was forced to reveal how he had no idea how to break up banks or how to regulate them. It was all just an empty slogan.
catclub
slightly OT:
i wish they would ask the inverse question: “How many of you on medicare want to switch back to private insurance?”
catclub
@Gin & Tonic:
This is why we can’t have nice things. Bernie would not appoint the same judges that Trump would continue to appoint if given a chance.
Nicole
@lamh36:
Yeah, I was thinking, leave me at the mercy of the vegan and the Crossfitter and by the time we got rescued, I bet I’d look AMAZING. The sailors would be offering me blankets and spare clothing to warm up and I’d be all, “No way! These abs are FOR DISPLAY ONLY.”
Dan B
@mrmoshpotato: I’d say misogyny is a piece of it but a small piece partly because some people are terrified of a second Trump term. They saw Hillary lose the EC and are buying the line that Americans are not ready for a woman president. There seems to be a parallel track that blacks feel Biden is a safe bet and he respected Obama.
Then there are the Wilmerites who believe hamstringing corporate culture will solve all problems, or that we can’t solve any problems without curtailing their power. There’s some truth to these beliefs but I want a map, not just the location of paradise. I studied enough workers paradises and fascist utopias to be suspicious of the bridge in Brooklyn cheap and “yours now” story.
Gin & Tonic
@catclub: Wilmer. Will. Not. Win. The Presidency. Not in this lifetime nor any other. So discussing whom he’d appoint to the bench is like discussing whom I’d name as a Cardinal once I was elected Pope.
Dan B
@lamh36: Hooray for Harris!! Wish it was more donors but it’s likely that only Biden and Bernie have big name recognition. Debates are soon. Pick a controversy Kamala. Wade in! You’re strong and you can set the terms of the media storm.
Jeremy
There is nothing annoying about vegans. People who bash them on the other hand…
Redshift
@C Stars: I was luckier; Ms. Redshift was a Bernie supporter in the primaries, but she never drank the koolaid. She volunteered for the Clinton campaign in the general, like all good Dems, and just this week she was motivated to say “this year? fuck that guy.”
I always knew she was smart, that’s part of why I married her. :-)
zhena gogolia
@Gin & Tonic:
You and I are on the same page on this . . . .
Kathleen
@debbie: Cross Fit is Bernie Bros on steroids.
Dan B
@C Stars: I’m at a loss for a clever vegan joke… but thus is Seattle and even in our minority and migrant part of town people get it. A couple of the best vegan and/or organic restaurants are run by black women.
My sympathies for the Wilmerian spouse. Mine too. Our friends are not so he’s coming around. I like the facebook posts but the fanaticism and the lack of roadmap to the promised land are no bueno. Reminds me of a Moses a desert and the bad guys just wanting to party with a shiny statue. Time for a rewrite. Without the gold leaf at least.
Redshift
@Jeremy:
As a rule, no. People who are strong converts to any lifestyle are frequently annoying, but it seems to me that as veganism and vegetarianism have become more mainstream, fewer of the converts are strong converts, so on average you are less likely to meet one (which is good.)
Kathleen
@khead: Didn’t Adam joke one night something to the effect that the most annoying person would be a vegan Marine who does cross fit?
Kathleen
@Mike in NC: Bernie, Tweetie and Sully. A veritable TriteFecta.
Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho
@Kathleen: He did indeed. And it annoyed a then Front Pager, a vegan IIRC, beyond all measure.
Omnes Omnibus
As long as we are on the subject of vegans (or at least meatless food), my assistant brought some food in for me today. We had recently talked about spicy food and tolerance thereof, so she apparently decide to test me. It is a vegetarian dish that seem to consist almost entirely of strips of hot peppers in a sauce and, of course, rice. Pretty awesome,
khead
@Kathleen:
Pretty sure I missed it but I would concur.
Also, I agree with Gin & Tonic wrt the McGovern analogy. I would go pull the trigger for Wilmer if it happened but I’m firmly in the “no chance/disaster” camp.
Dan B
@lamh36: Now we have the data about going on Fox. Fox is monstrous. It hates the lessers and shows them how to best stay firmly stuck in their tribalism. Anger, hopelessness, victimhood and more – step right up!
Dan B
@Avalune: Tell us more of your tale of love found, conquered (subdued?), and dragged to an appropriate location in your stoney lair!
Seriously, do I detect a feisty spirit in Leto’s recent posts? Sounds good!
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: Sounds pretty good to me!
OT, but does this mean you have found a new assistant after losing the pretty awesome one you had but recently left to take another position?
Kathleen
@Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: Oh noooose! I don’t remember that part! I thought it was a good joke. But then I put a 26.2 magnet on my car knowing I would be accused of being obnoxious and culty. A runner can be royal PITA. I know. I am one.
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: No, she turned down the new job and is staying with me for a while. We have a position in the company that would suit her well that will be coming open this fall, so she is going to stay where she is until then. The moral of this story is do not let the good people go; find something to keep them around.
opiejeanne
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: Gluten is a protein that occurs in wheat and several other grains, and is part of what makes bread, bread. There are gluten-free breads but most of them are sad gummy things.
Some people who do not have celiac disease have a sensitivity to gluten, my middle child being one.
Yes, people who fuss about gluten who have no need to annoy the shit out of me. I had some idiot woman with a young child follow me around the store asking me questions about what a gluten-free diet would do for her while I was considering a gluten-free cake mix (Betty Crocker rocks!). I wanted to snarl at her that she was an idiot because SHE can enjoy bread.
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: That’s great news! My three rules re: people who worked for me: 1) pay people what they’re worth; don’t wait until they find another position and then offer more to keep then, and 2) always let people know how much you appreciate them, and 3) find out what the good employees need in order to be happy and fulfilled, and try to give it to them.
TinzyPrime
@Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: Thank you for advocating. Suicide jokes are not funny and especially painful for some of us.
Luciamia
Has the vegan progressed to all raw or fruititarionism? If so, you may not have long to wait to be rid of them.
Dan B
@C Stars: Glad for your comment. Hope your mood gets better, or more interesting.
I’m very tired of the anti-Pete. My first choice is Harris at this point followed by Warren in second. They are strong and experienced although I’d prefer Warren in a Dem controlled Senate, leading.. sorry, not sorry Schumer. I’d like whoever posts a “don’t like” to 1. Keep it short. 2. Say it once. 3. Talk about who you like. 4. Bring up several. It’s good. 5. Mention details why.
Pete will probably be old news and buried under a mountain of half truths and distortions in a few weeks. He’s the first openly gay candidate. It’s news that sells eyeballs.
Castro is highly qualified but he’s not the first latinx candidate. Rubio spoiled that.
The stunningly qualified women, some much more than others, are not the first women. I desoerately want Harris to wade into some media bait and steer that into the “aspirational child of immigrants” story, or something similar. It’s an old storyline and it works.
Are there other candidates? Yes. Inslee, my gov. Climate change my #1 issue. But he’ll do his best for us on the debate stage. Pete will do the same for christianists and bring some superb rhetoric that reclaims morality for the Dems, in the debates and on the trail.
And I would prefer a woman or a POC at the head of the ticket. First job is ending the Trump / Pence / GOP-McConnell reign.
Tehanu
@Mnemosyne:
Too true!
dww44
@Juju: I thought Bernie was too old in 2016 and HRC was almost there. Somewhere (it may have been here) someone commented the other day that if elected, Bernie would be older on Jan 20, 2021 than Reagan was when he left the Presidency. And we all pretty much know how out of it he was by that time.
Biden is only a year younger than Bernie. Warren will be 70 this year. As one who’s in that age demographic, I know that they are too old. They were too old in 2016 and they are too old now. I like Biden and I love Warren, but it is time to pass the baton.
dww44
@Dan B: Thanks for the comment. Agree with almost all, except that Harris is not my first choice. At this point, I genuinely don’t have one, but Warren is right up there.
Lalophobia
@TriassicSands:
That….isn’t at all equivalent.
AxelFoley
@Agorabum:
Wrong on all counts. Most Dems can’t stand Bernie and will not support the muthafucka. And we hate his fans as much as we hate him.
mere mortal
… or, you could shoot the vegan crossfitting Bernie Bro.
That was one person, right?
Nah, your solution was better, those people are crazy fit and healthy. Shooting him would just make him mad.