Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

To the privileged, equality seems like oppression.

We’re watching the self-immolation of the leading world power on a level unprecedented in human history.

Not rolling over. fuck you, make me.

Weird. Rome has an American Pope and America has a Russian President.

I don’t recall signing up for living in a dystopian sci-fi novel.

They fucked up the fucking up of the fuckup!

This has so much WTF written all over it that it is hard to comprehend.

The only way through is to slog through the muck one step at at time.

“Jesus paying for the sins of everyone is an insult to those who paid for their own sins.”

There are a lot more evil idiots than evil geniuses.

No one could have predicted…

So very ready.

When they say they are pro-life, they do not mean yours.

Fucking consultants! (of the political variety)

There is no compromise when it comes to body autonomy. You either have it or you do not.

Jesus watching the most hateful people claiming to be his followers

The republican caucus is covering themselves with something, and it is not glory.

Text STOP to opt out of updates on war plans.

You would normally have to try pretty hard to self-incriminate this badly.

The unpunished coup was a training exercise.

My right to basic bodily autonomy is not on the table. that’s the new deal.

After dobbs, women are no longer free.

Giving in to doom is how authoritarians win.

Lick the third rail, it tastes like chocolate!

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Over the last week or so, quite a few people suggested that Don McGahn would turn out to be one of the ‘breakout stars’ of this particular GOP shitshow, and my first twitter scans indicate that Trump’s Only Actual Functional Lawyer certainly deserves more attention.

He’s no more honest than any other Trump lackey, but he seems to have been smart enough to present evidence of his own (relative) scruples to reporters in advance. I expect to see much more from him in the immediate future!

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  1. 1.

    (((CassandraLeo)))

    I think we should be talking at least as much about impeaching Roy Cohn William Barr as about impeaching Crooked Individual-1. If nothing else, getting a conviction for the former is probably a much lighter lift, and there’s already ample evidence he perjured himself before Congress and committed obstruction of justice.

  3. 3.

    Mr Stagger Lee

    What a country we live in where the Dotardito (Don Jr) can claim he was exonerated because he was too stupid to know he committed a crime

  6. 6.

    lamh36

    @MonicaLewinsky
    More Monica Lewinsky Retweeted Orin Kerr
    if. fucking. only.

    @OrinKerr
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    Imagine if the Starr Report had been provided only to President Clinton’s Attorney General, Janet Reno, who then read it privately and published a 4-page letter based on her private reading stating her conclusion that President Clinton committed no crimes.

    10:22 PM – 26 Mar 2019

  9. 9.

    Chris T.

    “The President’s efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests.”

    Or: “Yeah, OK, I aimed a bunch of guns at the guy and tried to shoot him. But none of them worked! He’s still alive! Attempted murder is no crime!”

  12. 12.

    (((CassandraLeo)))

    @Baud: Obstruction of justice? Perjury? Conspiracy? Take your pick. I know Republicans (R-Moscow) are going to take a view that the top law enforcement official is above the law, but I’d like to push back against their “LOL nothing matters” attitude as much as possible, and I think impeaching a criminal AG* is a great start.

    *I typed AF at first, and it’s true – he is criminal AF.

  13. 13.

    banditqueen

    @Baud: Barr can be censured and if further investigation supports impeachment, start proceedings at that time?

  15. 15.

    NotMax

    Every day, every opportunity, the first question asked of Sarah what’s-her-face now ought to be “Does the president stand by his repeated statements of believing Mr. Putin’s assertion there was no Russian interference?”

  16. 16.

    piratedan

    my question is, does this JUST have to be about Trump? Can Congress also suggest prosecution based on other findings in the report?

    My understanding is that we’re supposedly a nation of laws and that our government is set up so that no person is above the law. As such, if the President (and others in his Administration, as well as, other elected politicians have broken the law (especially THESE laws)), then they have a duty to investigate and level/begin impeachment proceedings and indictments against those that have been found to have committed crimes.

    I don’t particularly care about the optics too much in this case, there are principals and even symbolism here, sure the GOP has used it for all of the wrong reasons, that’s still no reason to NOT TO DO THE RIGHT THING. It’s what we teach our children and what we expect from our friends and peers.

    DO THE RIGHT THING

    If there’s a political cost, its a cost that needs to be paid, just like those folks who decided that Health Care for Americans was something that should be done, this is also something that should be, needs to be done.

  17. 17.

    TenguPhule

    @(((CassandraLeo))):

    If nothing else, getting a conviction for the former is probably a much lighter lift

    Republicans will not convict any Republican in the Senate.

    Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t impeach every last one of them.

  19. 19.

    lamh36

    @speechboy71
    2h2 hours ago
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    This is fascinating. @ggreenwald is tweeting out the handful of news stories that got elements of the Russia investigation wrong … wonder if he’ll also highlight the hundreds of news stories that today have been proven correct

  20. 20.

    eemom

    @NotMax:

    “Does the president stand by his repeated statements of believing Mr. Putin’s assertion there was no Russian interference?”

    Or, in the alternative: “Does the president stand by his statement that the fat lady has sung?”

  21. 21.

    TenguPhule

    @Baud:

    I don’t understand what Barr did that was impeachable.

    Lying to Congress during his confirmation hearings.

  23. 23.

    TenguPhule

    @eemom:

    Or, in the alternative: “Does the president stand by his statement that the fat lady has sung?”

    Do you really want SHS to start singing?

  24. 24.

    banditqueen

    @lamh36:

    67. Other individualized accounts included @MissouriNewsUS (an account with 3,800 followers that posted pro-Sanders and anti-Clinton material [Barr-redacted Mueller report p. 35]).

    So Bernard-bros, how about the uphill battle Hillary waged against your BS as well as Russian propaganda, hmmm? And she still won the popular vote.

  26. 26.

    Bill Arnold

    Re the clip “oh hey watch bill barr literally run away from the cameras when he gets confronted on spinning for trump”, watch Rosenstein’s smile/grin.

  28. 28.

    Mary G

    Not sure if there will be a respite thread, but this story has a happy ending.

    The vet told my dad on the phone (??) that his dog had to be put down and he’d come to his house and do it. My dad dug the dog’s grave AND LET THE DOG WATCH. Then the vet came and checked the dog and said it was a false alarm. Oops! Dog’s fine! Everything about this is insane. pic.twitter.com/sFXKVDk5Vz— Franklin Hardy (@franklinhardy) April 18, 2019

  29. 29.

    Jeffro

    All in all, I’m in a good place. This is all we’ll be talking about from now through Election Day 2020, trumpov’s attempts at stirring the culture-war pot notwithstanding.

    Good luck, GOP! He’s your boy and you decided to stick with him to the end. So, in the words of a real (and great) President, “…please proceed”

    Oh and also: “Reality has a way of asserting itself.” That’s ‘real’ reality, not the Faux Bubble, GOP jackasses.

  30. 30.

    Steeplejack

    On election night, REDACTED “wrote to Dmitriev, ‘Putin has won.'”

    Just protecting the privacy of “peripheral third parties.”

  32. 32.

    lamh36

    @jonfavs
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    I don’t know how you can read this report and not conclude that an impeachment inquiry is warranted.

    @ianbremmer
    1h1 hour ago
    More ian bremmer Retweeted Jon Favreau
    1. Impeachment is a political process.
    2. GOP will overwhelmingly vote it down.
    3. Many Dems in Congress believe it will hurt their re-election prospects.

    Am I missing something?

    4. The President of the United States is above the law, especially when you are not politically courageous enough to do anything about it.

    Boy…I tell ya…if Trump is re-elected even if Dem don’t pursue impeachment…

  33. 33.

    TaMara (HFG)

  34. 34.

    banditqueen

    I have questions for the legal scholars here:
    If the House brings impeachment charges against a federal official (let’s call him drumpf):
    –how long can the House take to investigate the charges leading to impeachment and can those investigations be extensive, with witnesses etc,
    –do impeachment proceedings essentially stop other House activities,
    –if the Senate starts a trial for impeachment do other Senate activities (such as confirming judges, for example), stop?
    Sorry it sounds so basic, but thank you.

  35. 35.

    Dan B

    The NYT will publish a 16 page summary Good Friday. My mind went to “Good Friday Massacre” or “Good Friday Crucifiction”. “Slaughter” appeals because I’m hoping for hundreds of perps to go down, slowly or quickly. Slow or stop confirmation of judges, please!

  36. 36.

    Mnemosyne

    @lamh36:

    Oh, the Bros aren’t quiet right now. They’re just busy lashing out at Neera Tanden and other Democrats as the REAL problem. ?

    I now feel justified in my assumption that at least half of the alleged “rose twitter” zealots are actually conservatives and Ron Paul cultists, not actual leftists or liberals.

  37. 37.

    TenguPhule

    @Mnemosyne:

    I now feel justified in my assumption that at least half of the alleged “rose twitter” zealots are actually conservatives and Ron Paul cultists, not actual leftists or liberals.

    Sigh, that means more likely then not, they are actual leftists behaving badly.

  39. 39.

    lamh36

    @Jeffro: except according to MSM this is EXACTLY what Chump co wants to talk about until 2020…so talk about it them win…don’t talk about it they win.

    So no matter what they win…so I say why da fuq NOT go down fighting them fuckers.

  40. 40.

    Mnemosyne

    @piratedan:

    IANAL, but I’m pretty sure that Congress does not want to step on any of the 14-ish ongoing criminal cases that Mueller has not yet unveiled.

    But that doesn’t mean that they can’t impeach some motherfuckers. Impeachment is a political process, not a criminal one.

  43. 43.

    Mary G

    One of the most amazing things about this Fyre Festival of a Presidency is the amount of duped attendees who angrily insist that the leaky tents and soggy cheese sandwiches really are luxury villas and gourmet meals.— Marko Kloos (@markokloos) April 18, 2019

  44. 44.

    lamh36

    @TeamPelosi
    20m20 minutes ago
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    We are not satisfied with summaries and spin — the American people deserve transparency and truth. We repeat: Congress must hear from Mueller directly. #FollowTheFacts #ReleaseTheFullMuellerReport

  45. 45.

    chopper

    i would like to see a lot of congressional investigating prior to any actual attempt at impeachment. not just as to obstruction, which the public is more likely to shrug their shoulders at, but also as to the ‘collusion’ angle. not because i think there’s a whole lot more out there, but because it keeps the daily focus on the fact that TRUMP IS ILLEGITIMATE AND WAS INSTALLED IN THE WH BY THE FUCKING RUSSIANS.

    if that becomes the democrat’s main talking point for the next year, this whole mishegas will have been worth it.

  46. 46.

    Chris Johnson

    @lamh36: Dead to me, and I worked for him. Not because he got targeted for such ‘help’, that is SOP for Putin’s tactics: because he didn’t shake it off. (and for the ‘if you want to be a millionaire too, then you write a book!’ come-back. JFC, doubly dead to me, the NERVE of it)

  52. 52.

    Jeffro

    @lamh36:

    except according to MSM this is EXACTLY what Chump co wants to talk about until 2020…so talk about it them win…don’t talk about it they win.

    So no matter what they win…so I say why da fuq NOT go down fighting them fuckers.

    I’m good with fighting each and every way, no worries there. But I’d never put my faith in the MSM’s take on what trumpov wants to talk about, when I think we all know for a fact he’d like to talk culture-war, Fox-Outrage-Machine shit for two years. I seriously doubt he wants every last low-info voter fully up to speed on what he and his campaign did, knew about, encouraged, etc.

    Plus, we can ‘walk and chew gum’…let the hearings and investigations and Mueller testimony and Barr testimony play out for a good, long time while our candidates (all 30, god bless ’em!) continue to talk about why the GOP wants to take away their health care and shrink their Medicare and blow up the deficit, etc etc, all so that they can give even more tax cuts to rich folks.

    It’s not an either/or. So let’s do the oversight thing, deeply and painfully for every Gooper possible, and be sure to tell voters what we are offering, too.

  53. 53.

    Chris Johnson

    @TenguPhule: Killed my twitter rose just now. Because I agree: on twitter? seriously? Probably at least half are Russian bots. That is not the message I signed up for when I tried to adopt a symbol of American socialism.

    Same attitudes and worldview, but one less (co-opted and befouled) symbol. The trollskis can have it. Tempted to put (D)

  56. 56.

    TenguPhule

    @banditqueen:

    –how long can the House take to investigate the charges leading to impeachment and can those investigations be extensive, with witnesses etc,
    –do impeachment proceedings essentially stop other House activities,
    –if the Senate starts a trial for impeachment do other Senate activities (such as confirming judges, for example), stop?

    1. As long as Nancy Pelosi wants them to.

    2. No.

    3. McConnell has no obligation to even convene the vote to hold the trial in the Senate.

  57. 57.

    Jay

    @Baud:

    The investigations and hearings prior to impeachment is where the facts are discovered.

    Barr took the Meuller report to the White Supremacy House. If any of the black sharpies littering the White Supremacy House were used for any of the redactions, that’s an impeachable offense.

  58. 58.

    lamh36

    @danpfeiffer
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    Here are some thoughts about what Democrats can do going forward: First, don’t take impeachment off the table. It’s premature and stupid. (also muzzle Steny Hoyer)

    @danpfeiffer
    1h1 hour ago
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    Second, get Mueller to the hill as soon as humanly possible to explain the report and then subpoena Barr to hold him to account for his lies and misdeeds in tthe handling of the report.

    @danpfeiffer
    1h1 hour ago
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    Third, after that hearing begin proceedings to impeach or censure Barr. His conduct is beyond the pale and threatens the long term independence of the role of AG. It cannot go un-acknowledged.
    @danpfeiffer
    1h1 hour ago
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    Fourth, plot out 9 months of high profile, newsmaking hearings with witnesses like Don Jr., Kushner etc. Every time the story is about to fade, another hearing happens. Control the narrative for as long as possible.

    danpfeiffer
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    Finally, Democratic candidates and Dem-aligned superpacs should use their messaging firepower to focus on the issues that matter to voters like taxes and health care that the media does a piss poor job of covering.

    my 2 cents…also no more swipes at HRC campaign from some Dem candidates now that we know the evidence showed Chump was certainly aided and abetted by Russian even if Mueller says Chump was too stupid to “knowingly conspire to collude”

  60. 60.

    Mnemosyne

    @lamh36:

    except according to MSM this is EXACTLY what Chump co wants to talk about until 2020…so talk about it them win…don’t talk about it they win.

    We all know that the MSM doesn’t want anyone to talk about this because they got conned, and they’re embarrassed. They’re going to do their absolute best to change the subject to the horse race (“how will this affect the Trump campaign?”) rather than addressing the actual story (“holy motherforking shirtballs, the Russians elected Trump”).

  61. 61.

    Baud

    @lamh36:

    also no more swipes at HRC campaign from some Dem candidates now that we know the evidence showed Chump was certainly aided and abetted by Russian even if Mueller says Chump was too stupid to “knowingly conspire to collude”

    Amen!

  62. 62.

    Kathleen

    @lamh36: Reposted from dead thread below (responding to ruemara):

    I contend that 2016 was a coup and Bernie Slanders was complicit. The point of his candidacy then and now is to destroy the Democratic Party and ensure Fascist authoritarian rule. Rethuglicans and their media enablers also love Slanders for that reason. They do not want him to get nomination or presidency because his influence would weaken considerably. They want him right where he is and are compensating him handsomely for his ongoing efforts.

  63. 63.

    lamh36

    @RawStory
    14m14 minutes ago
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    House Democrats okay subpoenas for five close Trump associates after release of redacted Mueller report: CNN

  64. 64.

    Jay

    @Jeffro:
    @lamh36:

    Both the MSM and the Insane Clown POSus claimed that all the Democratic Party Cantidates in 2018, were running against Drumph.

    They wern’t, they were running on Policy and Platforms.

    The MSM/ReThug attempt to motivate their base, didn’t work.

  66. 66.

    Chris Johnson

    @TenguPhule: Yes I have. Quite publically, and took a shellacking for it too.

    On the other hand, when I was most wrong on this site, I was ginning up a big conspiracy theory… that Donald Trump was in cahoots with Vladimir Putin, to the extent that he would want to abruptly flee the country, and possibly there were other high-ranking US officials that would go along with such an insane move.

    I think he wishes he could’ve done what I thought he was gonna do. It was not available to him. I was wrong.

    If the dude loses his nerve and bails to Russia to mock us from the safety (ha!) of a dacha, I will have a HUMONGOUS ‘I told you so!’

    But… nah. I think he might’ve thought he was that tight with Vlad. The Russian Mob does not have that good a retirement plan. He has to stay here and go for broke, or die. If he does die, Pence will carry on his work.

    I love the ‘REDACTED said, Putin has won’ line. I imagine Manafort. But wouldn’t it be amazing if that turned out to be Pence? Way to go Mike, you got what you wanted, said his wife bitterly.

    Damn but we live in ‘interesting times’.

  69. 69.

    Jeffro

    @lamh36: So Dan is on board with my plan at #52, I love it! ;)

    Seriously, we can do this folks. The GOP didn’t want to vet their guy, so now – for the country’s sake, for the rule of law, for national security, etc etc etc – we have to do this. And we can do it while we talk about all the things we want to do for our fellow Americans, too.

  70. 70.

    Jeffro

    @Jay: Darned right – they ran on health care and education and climate change and gun safety and WON.

    Also: where was Bernie in 2018? Nowhere to be found.

    Let’s do it again, Dems!

  71. 71.

    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho

    @eemom: I remember, and I agreed publicly. So yup, you called it.
    Though I also agree with Immanentize that it was the heavy spin of very carefully parsed words (which is often near as makes no difference to lying). Barr is not going to have the same measure of success he did with Iran Contra, is my prediction.
    @Gin & Tonic: I can’t imagine you really did.

  72. 72.

    Jay

    @Jeffro:

    The Insane Clown POSus/ReThug/MSM plan to run the same campaign plan that utterly failed in 2018, is so Drumph.

  74. 74.

    Chris Johnson

    @NotMax: I’m almost sorry it was so wackadoodle of a notion. I feel like, if Trump literally was mocking America from the safety of Russia, it might wake people up. And he absolutely would do that, and he absolutely would want to do it… and it wouldn’t help Putin at all, so sorry, Donny, you don’t get the easy way and you sure don’t get a reward.

    Still think the difference between his glee at going on THAT trip and his misery when Putin cut him dead and hung around with Arabs… tells a story. I might even have correctly identified the story in Donny’s head: but Donny is an asshole and doesn’t get what he wants. He is not in charge of any of this.

  77. 77.

    lamh36

    Zebop
    5h5 hours ago
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    Bernie Sanders’s supporters were courted, duped and lied to continually by Russia because Russia liked Bernie Sanders, felt he was a useful idiot and didn’t want to deal with a grownup, Hillary Clinton.

    Now it is all proven. Sanders supporters should feel, STUPID ??????

  79. 79.

    jl

    Sooner or later, our thoughts should turn to the really important issue, what does this mean for the Baud 2020! campaign. Well, a self-impeaching and self-convicting incompetent president would make everything much simpler. After all the US has been through with Trump, that kind of president is needed to restore peace and tranquility to this great nation.

  81. 81.

    TenguPhule

    @jl:

    what does this mean for the Baud 2020! campaign.

    Pants will be optional.

    Mustard will be mandatory.

  84. 84.

    tobie

    @Mnemosyne: The MSM has learned how to talk out of both sides of its mouth with the same conclusion everytime: whatever happens, it’s good for the GOP and bad for Democrats. I snickered when I heard that contrary to usual practice Trump didn’t take questions from the press corp when he boarded Marine 1 today en route to Florida. The news today didn’t turn out the way he and his spinners wanted and he can’t handle it.

  87. 87.

    lamh36

    My money says…the liar Sarah will no be giving anymore WH Press briefing…either because they just won’t give any more…or cause Chump will use Sarah as a scapegoat and she’ll fall on her sword and resign rather than face the press…

    cause seems to me the way the WHPC defended SHS so vigorously after Michelle Wolf, not even more appropros remarks, the way the media are seemingly really pissed about her lying….

    @CNN
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    White House press secretary Sarah Sanders admitted to federal investigators that she provided reporters baseless information related to former FBI Director James Comey’s dismissal, according to the redacted Mueller report cnn.it/2Zow6JV

  89. 89.

    jl

    @Baud: Russia attempts to reach out to Trupmsters, versus BS and progressives went on separate tracks. Or maybe Mueller put very narrow bounds on his investigation. For example, was the NRA mentioned? I’m curious about that angle. And I haven’t downloaded my personal copy of the report yet.

  93. 93.

    lamh36

    @DavidCornDC
    11m11 minutes ago
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    From the Mueller report: Two months after Manafort was booted from the Trump campaign, he sent Kushner a strategy memo proposing Trump depict Clinton “as the failed and corrupt champion of the establishment.” Corrupt, eh?

  95. 95.

    lamh36

    @DavidCornDC
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    Mueller report, page 23: Internal IRA memos show that by early 2016 the goal of Russia’s secret social media operation was to support Trump *and* Sanders: “Main idea: Use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump – we support them).”

    3:43 PM – 18 Apr 2019

    @MattBinder
    3h3 hours ago
    More Matt Binder Retweeted David Corn
    this one single line from the Russian troll farm has been reported and known about for at least a year and is not a new finding in the Mueller report

  98. 98.

    Chris Johnson

    @lamh36:

    Now it is all proven. Sanders supporters should feel, STUPID

    ‘betrayed’.

    Doubly, ‘cos of that ‘write a hit book to be a millyunaiah!’ crack. I stand by the shit he said. I wish to fuck HE would, but apparently that’s too much to ask.

    He ain’t the only one carrying that message. With a bit of luck he’ll be the only one who turned out to be lying about it. Credit for reading the zeitgeist?

  103. 103.

    SFAW

    @Baud:

    Is there anything in the report about Bernie? I did a word search and didn’t see him mentioned?

    Try searching “Wilmer.” You might have more success.

  104. 104.

    lamh36

    @eemom: I’m a tweeter (@psddluva4evah, btw) but I refuse to see Chump tweets on my TL…I only see them if others post them

  105. 105.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Jeffro: Running on policy is essentially running against Donald, who can’t articulate any policy other than “brown people BAD!”

  107. 107.

    Chris Johnson

    @Cheryl Rofer: I think it was Tad Devine. I really do. That guy was behind so many Dem fails. And he and Devine parted ways, SO recently. I think he got wise, far too late. The decent thing to do would’ve been to withdraw (we have better leftists now, real ones)

    If the hard core conspiracy theorists are right about him, then he’d have cut Devine loose because he knew what was coming, and he’d have hung on to the guy as long as possible knowing he was a link to his bosses in Russia. It would look similar to what we’ve seen. It’s like Adam S’s ‘If Trump was an intentional Russian agent, what would he be doing differently?’. Same deal.

    I don’t remember the kids around the office talking Russian back in NH, but they’d be the dupes, and they did have a huge grudge against Third Way Dems. That, I still share, but it makes you vulnerable to manipulation. Not good. I do know we weren’t in charge of the campaign. The brain trust was elsewhere, we were just the footsoldiers, and everyone I saw personally was lit up about the message and the amazingness of an American politician hammering away at that message.

    I don’t know if he was already a millionaire when I was giving him hundreds of dollars I couldn’t really spare. Not all his money is Russian dark money. Maybe this time it is. I’m suspicious of his sudden flood of donations upon announcing. Us ’27$’ types can’t free up even twenty dollars that suddenly.

  108. 108.

    Ken

    REPUBLICANS. “Let’s stall by releasing the report in a difficult-to-use format.”

    (Forty five minutes pass)

    TECHNOCRATS: “Now available for free download in a searchable PDF or Nook format.”

  109. 109.

    lamh36

    @lamh36:

    @jaredlholt
    4h4 hours ago
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    An armed militia group detained 300 asylum-seeking migrants in New Mexico and delivered them to border officials. The group says that U.S. Border Patrol asked for their help, but an agency spokesperson said he didn’t believe that was true.

  110. 110.

    TenguPhule

    @schrodingers_cat: Bacterial infection of the lungs and throat. They had to put me on some heavy antibiotics.

    It was less then pleasant. My voicebox is still recovering.

  112. 112.

    lamh36

    @mkraju
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    In letter to Democrats about Mueller report, Pelosi says: “The Caucus is scheduling a conference call for Monday to discuss this grave matter, which is as soon as our analysis and this Holy Season’s religious traditions allow.”

    7:10 PM – 18 Apr 2019

  113. 113.

    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho

    @lamh36: I follow you. ? (@BellaIdahoQ and Kathleen does also;I’ll let her announce her own twitternym)

  114. 114.

    TenguPhule

    @lamh36:

    White House press secretary Sarah Sanders admitted to federal investigators that she provided reporters baseless information related to former FBI Director James Comey’s dismissal,

    This is my surprised face.

    : |

  116. 116.

    lamh36

    @TenguPhule: Oh sorry to hear that.

    If you don’t mind me asking (I’m a Hospital Microbiologist), but did they tell the name of the bacteria that caused the infection?

    The good news I guess is that it didn’t turn into a blood infection as well, those are a bit harder to fight

  118. 118.

    TenguPhule

    @lamh36:

    The group says that U.S. Border Patrol asked for their help, but an agency spokesperson said he didn’t believe that was true.

    Do I believe the Nazis who have been caught lying repeatedly or do I believe the Sovereign Citizen brownshirts?

  119. 119.

    Fuzz

    The problem is that obstruction of justice is going to be a partisan fight. Collusion would have provided unassailable proof, real ammo, to impeach. The GOP would literally have had to defend “light treason” (to quote George Bluth) That’s why I’m not encouraged. It says that Trump is an arrogant moron but that’s been established for years, he was elected in spite of it/because of it. The fact that not even George P or Carter Page, who literally had been approached by Russian intelligence multiple times over the years as a potential agent, were indicted for conspiring with Russia is amazing.

  120. 120.

    Martin

    Regarding impeachment, I’m reminded of this Lyndon Johnson story:

    “Christ, we can’t get away with calling him a pig-fucker,” the campaign manager protested. “Nobody’s going to believe a thing like that.”
    “I know,” Johnson replied. “But let’s make the sonofabitch deny it.”

    It doesn’t matter if Republicans won’t vote to impeach – along the way they’ll be forced to defend Trump’s lawbreaking. That’s not nothing.

  122. 122.

    lamh36

    On Hayes, Kamala did not mention impeachment…she was more like Nadler & Schiff and the other Dems I’ve seen so far on the nets…not like off message bullshit Hoyer did.

    in the case of Nadler, Schiff and Kamala, I see the Dem strategy is not to say the workd impeachment…but not that the investigations should not occur, and they didn’t say like Hoyer said, essentially that no discussion of impeachement because we are political cowards…

    there is a difference…but I freely admit…I don’t want a candidate that is like some of the newer reps…and just goes out with no mind for strategy or even serious reflections before speaking.

    But yes, I would love to have had her say “impeach the fuq’er” on Hayes…but I didn’t expect her to.

    But she still came off better than Hoyer !

  124. 124.

    TenguPhule

    @lamh36: Doctor didn’t say other then that it seemed to be “going around” and prescribed me a course of antibiotics. Whatever it was, it wrecked me, I was coughing nonstop and lost my voice the entire time.

    ETA: Frankly I’m just glad my insurance covered the treatment and the copay wasn’t murder.

  125. 125.

    TenguPhule

    @Fuzz:

    Collusion would have provided unassailable proof, real ammo, to impeach.

    For the Nth+1 time, the proper charge is conspiracy against the United States.

  126. 126.

    lamh36

    I’m telling ya’ll the media are pissed bout the hunchback lying to them.

    With the WHPC anger there can be no way she’ll be able to continue on as Press Sec unless Chump co just decides to never give another briefing or speak to the MSM press until 2020..

    Like I said before… Chuckles one was downright perturbed over the SHS…and Anderson Cooper was pratically smirking when recounted her lie about Comey…

    Time to start a pool on when SHS immediate resignation happens or Chump outright fires her and throws her under the bus…

    @USATODAY
    Bold statements made in public by members of President Trump’s administration were shown to be lies under the harsh light of the Mueller probe.
    twitter.com/USATODAY/status/1119025314729005058

  130. 130.

    Jay

    @lamh36:

    “Impeachment does not necessarily result in removal from office; it is only a legal statement of charges, parallel to an indictment in criminal law. An official who is impeached faces a second legislative vote (whether by the same body or another), which determines conviction, or failure to convict, on the charges embodied by the impeachment. ”

    “An indictment (/ɪnˈdaɪtmənt/ in-DYT-mənt) is a criminal accusation that a person has committed a crime. In jurisdictions that use the concept of felonies, the most serious criminal offence is a felony; jurisdictions that do not use the felonies concept often use that of an indictable offence, an offence that requires an indictment.”

  131. 131.

    lamh36

    @TenguPhule: Dang sorry to hear that. Well, If they gave you antibiotic then it was more bacterial than viral….if it started as a throat/respiratory infection, is was like a respiratiory pathogen like one Strep pneumoniae (which can be normal upper respiratory flora, but when it over grows the other normal flora it can be a problem)… or one of the Beta-hemolytic streps that can cause throat infections commonly, but when not treated can def lead to upper respiratory infection…

    I’ll stop there, as you can guess I can talk about it ALL day…it is my bread an butter.

    Glad to hear you’re mostly pass it…the thing to watch for now is if you feel no better or ceeling like you can’t catch your breath, especially when you move around a lot. Feeling very tired. Low appetite…def go back to see your doctor or call whatever doctor line you may have.

  132. 132.

    Mary G

    WaPo Opinions
    George Conway: Trump is a cancer on the presidency. Congress should remove him.

    The investigation that Trump tried to interfere with here, to protect his own personal interests, was in significant part an investigation of how a hostile foreign power interfered with our democracy. If that’s not putting personal interests above a presidential duty to the nation, nothing is.

    White House counsel John Dean famously told Nixon that there was a cancer within the presidency and that it was growing. What the Mueller report disturbingly shows, with crystal clarity, is that today there is a cancer in the presidency: President Donald J. Trump.

    Congress now bears the solemn constitutional duty to excise that cancer without delay.

    If he and Alternative Facts are playing both sides, he’s really good at it.

  133. 133.

    lamh36

    @TenguPhule: Also too…good advice from @schrodingers_cat:

    A strong enough antibiotic may obliterate your normal flora enough so that things like yeast infection often occur. So def each some probiotic yogurt and such.

    Also too if you were a lady of pregnacy bearing age…I’d tell ya to be mindful that some antibiotic treatments makes birth control essentially ineffective..

    But again…TMI from the Microbiologist mind…to you…

    ;-)

  134. 134.

    TenguPhule

    This new Broadway play about the Clintons’ marriage is as fascinating — and sad — as you’d expect

    Wapo breaking news.

    I give up. This nation is fucked.

  137. 137.

    Bill Arnold

    @Baud:
    OCR fail; the pages with lots of redactions aren’t searchable; e.g. page 23 mentions Sanders.
    Need a better searchable version!!!!

  139. 139.

    lamh36

    More Non-political news…

    WHAT DAFUQ Ancestry.com…

    seriously guys…you have GOT to see this commerical…talk about tone-fuq’n-deaf

    Ancestry.com pulled its commercial that made light of the brutalities of slavery thanks to public backlash. huffp.st/PZZMzVB

  140. 140.

    TenguPhule

    A man chucked his iguana at restaurant staff, police say. The lizard is in intensive care.

    Guess which state.

    Arnold Teeter was loud and unruly Tuesday morning when he entered a Perkins Restaurant in Painesville, Ohio, police say. The 49-year-old lay down in a booth and chucked a menu at a server: a jarring outburst that drew the attention of the restaurant’s manager, who sought to calm the man.

    But Teeter wasn’t out of projectiles.

    Police say the man reached under his sweatshirt and unveiled his next weapon of choice — a two-foot-long iguana — which he swung in a circular motion above his head and flung at the manager. But he missed, sending the poor lizard sliding across the tile floor.

    Surprisingly not Florida.

  141. 141.

    Chris Johnson

    Do you suppose they (Russia y’know) would like everyone to focus completely on Trump and blast him away like being hit with a GIANT LAZOR, leaving only smoking boots… and then put in Pence and act like everything is fixed? I seriously want to know what is in the redactions. They are still covering shit up.

    I think Pence is dirty as fuck. Pence is Manafort’s pick. We could be seeing a tactic for laying it all on Trump and pretending that Pence is okay.

  144. 144.

    lamh36

    YES!!! Rachel starting out talking about Russia interference in the election and the evidence the Meuller report shows…even before candidate Trump… how it seem to seamlessly work with efforts to help elect Trump!

    YAS!!!

    MSNBC shoulda gave Maddow the entire night!

  147. 147.

    Martin

    @lamh36: Senators won’t answer that question. They’re the jury of an impeachment trial. They really shouldn’t present an opinion. That’s why House members are much more open – they have a very different role.

  148. 148.

    lamh36

    something tells me Nancy P had a talk with Steny…too damn late

    @LeaderHoyer
    15m15 minutes ago
    More
    Congress must have the full report & all underlying evidence in order to determine what actions may be necessary to ensure that the Congress & the American people have all the info they need to know the truth & all options ought to remain on the table to achieve that objective.

    Or as someone elsewhere said…Steny was the sacrifical lamb sent to drop that bomb to see what the reaction would be…IDK…

  149. 149.

    TS (the original)

    @Dan B:

    The NYT will publish a 16 page summary Good Friday

    The paper of record, the paper who said no Russian interference, the paper who agreed with Barr – no collusion. The downfall of democracy – aided and abetted by the NYT.

  150. 150.

    lamh36

    @StevenTDennis
    · 4h
    Sitting GOP senators who voted to toss President Clinton from office for obstruction of justice:
    BLUNT
    BURR
    CRAPO
    ENZI
    GRASSLEY
    GRAHAM*
    INHOFE
    MCCONNELL
    MORAN
    PORTMAN
    ROBERTS
    SHELBY
    THUNE
    WICKER
    ***
    *Graham served as a House impeachment manager

  151. 151.

    lamh36

    @StevenTDennis
    Blunt, Burr, Crapo, Moran, Portman, Thune, Wicker were in the House along with Graham in ’98 and voted to impeach over obstruction.
    Crapo then was sworn in as a senator in time to vote Guilty on the obstruction article with the others listed.

    372
    3:43 PM – Apr 18, 2019

  152. 152.

    TS (the original)

    @Mnemosyne:

    14-ish ongoing criminal cases that Mueller has not yet unveiled

    But who is continuing these criminal cases. I imagine the DOJ will drop any that are on their list.

  155. 155.

    smintheus

    Trump and his lackeys – including Barr – constitute a crime syndicate. He needs to impeached. If not, I can see no reason why future presidents would not expect to get away with suborning perjury, obstruction of justice, and destroy evidence whenever they’re investigated. For that matter, why would a president not treat the presidency as a criminal shield for any and every kind of enterprise, including traitorous activities?

    It’s the never-impeachment folks who are living in a fantasy world, not those who demand some long overdue action by the House.

  156. 156.

    Kay

    Bernie Sanders
    ‏Verified account
    @BernieSanders
    6h6 hours ago
    More
    It is clear that Donald Trump wanted nothing more than to shut down the Mueller investigation. While we have more detail from today’s report than before, Congress must continue its investigation into Trump’s conduct and any foreign attempts to influence our election.

    It’s weird because the Berniacs deny this, but Sanders doesn’t. They’re insurgents in their own campaign :)

    Bernie actually believes there’s an international Right wing effort designed and run by plutocrats, which I assume includes Russia. He’s said this! More than once! I don’t know- why don’t they believe him?

  157. 157.

    Another Scott

    @banditqueen: Given that a Congress only lasts 2 years, and lots of things don’t continue from one Congress to the next, any Impeachment stuff that starts now would have to be complete by January 3, 2021 when the 116th Congress ends.

    At least that’s my understanding. Corrections welcome.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  159. 159.

    lamh36

    I’ll say it again…I will NEVER forget about the folks on the left that defended Greenwald to the bitter end…even in the face of so many obvious clues that the guy was full of shit and not to be trusted.

    @atrupar
    30m30 minutes ago
    More
    Greenwald, echoing Trump, calls the Russia investigation a “hoax.” His segment then ends. He somehow made it through yet another interview with Tucker without finding time to call Tucker out on his appalling bigotry.

  160. 160.

    BlueDWarrior

    @Kay: because they’re crackpots who are using Bernie as a mechanism to burn the system down and usher in the Glorious People’s Revolution.

  161. 161.

    BlueDWarrior

    @lamh36: Greenwald is an entitled SOB who is way more bourgeoisie than he pretends to (not) be.

    He’s only for justice when it harms someone who he deems an enemy.

  162. 162.

    lamh36

    The one leader who has been calling Chump co out since the begining…

    @keithboykin
    Maxine Waters: “At this point, Congress’ failure to impeach is complacency in the face of the erosion of our democracy and constitutional norms.”

    @RepMaxineWaters
    Following Following @RepMaxineWaters
    More
    ICYMI: My statement on the release of the redacted #Mueller report by AG Barr
    twitter.com/RepMaxineWaters/status/1119037481507328001

  163. 163.

    Jay

    @TS (the original):

    Doesn’t work that way in the US. US AG’s have gone to jail for interfering or trying to supress an investigation.

    Meuller will have passed some of those investigations onto other jurisdictions, and he hasn’t closed up his shop yet.

  164. 164.

    TenguPhule

    @Jay:

    US AG’s have gone to jail for interfering or trying to supress an investigation.

    All previous norms and expectations no longer apply.

  165. 165.

    Kay

    @BlueDWarrior:

    But it will happen to Bernie! They only promoted Bernie because they thought it would elect Trump. They really think an international far Right movement isn’t going to operate against Bernie Sanders? Do they no longer know the difference between Right and Left? They think any old insurgent candidate will do? They wanted TRUMP, because they wanted a RIGHT wing stooge. They don’t want a Left wing stooge. They’re plutocrats, for God’s sake.

  166. 166.

    BlueDWarrior

    @TenguPhule: they only apply to non-Republicans.

    Republicans will protect other Republicans until they are deemed useless to the tribe, then they are retroactively declared Democrats and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

  168. 168.

    BlueDWarrior

    @Kay: the ones who realize that become general leftists who may or may not prefer Bernie more than others.

    Those who don’t fall into the cult of Bernie, and bitterly attack and denigrate anyone who accosts the golden calf they worship.

  170. 170.

    lamh36

    Rachel pointing out that nothing in the report about Trump co financials and that Schiff said all along that he didn’t believe that Mueller and his team was looking at financial ties or implication that they were looking at how Chumps possibly moneylaudering

    Schiff talking on Maddow now about how that could tell how that allowed Russia to compromise Chump co

  171. 171.

    Jay

    @TenguPhule:

    Naw, in a world filled with instant gratification, from Twitter hot takes, Pornhub and Lawn Order, norms and expectations take longer than most peoples attention spans.

    Norms and expectations have always taken “a long time” to play out.

    “We’ve” forgotten that.

    BTDubs, get healthy. Take care.

  172. 172.

    zhena gogolia

    @lamh36:

    I was so depressed today because at least three people who I thought were smart and sensible said the old, “Bernie is saying what needs to be said” line. SIGH.

  176. 176.

    Kathleen

    @Kay: If he were so concerned about that why didn’t he report Russia’s activity on behalf of his campaign to FBI?

  177. 177.

    Dan B

    @rikyrah: Good to know that Hope Hicks was working hard to make peace with Russia!

    3 AM phone call! Doesn’t he understand time zones? He’s only got 11 of them.

  178. 178.

    Kathleen

    @Kay: Bernie is very useful to them in achieving their goal (not just Russian’s) of destroying Democratic party. They don’t want him to win. But they will reward him handsomely for his Presidential runs.

  179. 179.

    jl

    @Kay: The Berniacs are a tiny group of nutcases on social media. Some of them are crackpots who were disappointed that BS didn’t run as an independent. Others might be the Russian trolls people are looking for in BS’s campaign. I think the idea that BS himself is a Russian agent of some kind of, is jumping off the deep end into a pool of conspiracy mongering.. But, maybe some of these crackpots are on some foreign plutocrat’s payroll.

  181. 181.

    patrick II

    An important lesson for future presidential contestants– if you are going to conspire with a foreign country to steal an election, be sure to win because evidently presidents are totally above the law.

  182. 182.

    jl

    @lamh36: “Steny was the sacrifical lamb sent to drop that bomb to see what the reaction would be”

    Hard to tell whether Hoyer is a flunky who is willing to go out and make a noxious fool of himself when the Democratic leadership wants to send up a trial balloon, or he is just an exhausted corrupt old hack.

  184. 184.

    Dan B

    @lamh36: Gawd I hope there is video! This armed mob was probably not nice. Their tactic was probably to terrorize the asylum seekers. Chaos erupting everywhere makes it tougher to focus on the prize.

    Maxine, AOC, Pramila (my rep!) keep us focused. We can’t slow the terrorsm until the enablers are hamstrung – or rooted out. Both please!

  185. 185.

    Dan B

    @lamh36: You must have watched Reconstruction by HLG Jr. It felt like a call to white people to include the full story in high school history. Oh, I forgot, we’re doing STEM now…
    The parallels to today’s trends were striking. Not everything but enough if the slowly creeping destruction of democracy with moments of wrenching change.

  188. 188.

    Plato

    Barr's press conference reminded me of the Soviet spokesmen reassuring people in bread lines that the grain harvest is again at record levels.— Garry Kasparov (@Kasparov63) April 18, 2019

  189. 189.

    Steve in the ATL

    @Baud:

    I don’t understand what Barr did that was impeachable. Being a toady isn’t.

    Ooh—so I have a chance to be AG in the Baud! administration!

  190. 190.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Jay: 2018 was a midterm–different dynamic; the party with the White House has a disadvantage in those. It has an advantage in presidential reelection years, other things being equal. And right now, the indications that exist are that Democratic enthusiasm is down relative to 2018, and the left is already busy eating itself. So I wouldn’t rely on the strategy not working.

  191. 191.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Kay: It does feel like this could be a wedge that splits the party-criticizing further-left down the middle: the Chapo/Nation/Intercept types say the Russia story is a hoax or a distraction, whereas the Congressional insurgents like AOC/Tlaib/Omar are making the strongest calls for Trump’s impeachment, and a lot of their admirers are complaining that the Democrats aren’t going hard enough on it. And AOC has associations with the Justice Democrats. What do they do? What does the Bernie movement end up saying? AOC was closely associated with Bernie for a while, but he’s also got a bunch of Jill Stein crazies at the top of his organization.

  195. 195.

    Jay

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Actually, the MSM is busy planting faux stories on the Dems eating themselves,

    In the real world, not so much.

    And while the MSM loves to point out that Drumph’s support is steady amongst ReThugs, they hate having to point out that there are a lot fewer ReThugs than 2016.

  197. 197.

    Another Scott

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Ok, but one can argue that Impeachment in the House (105th Congress) and trial in the Senate (106th Congress) are different things. My answer was in the context of the question on what Nancy can do in the House.

    Thanks.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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