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You are here: Home / Past Elections / 2020 Elections / Thursday Morning Open Thread: #SheThePeople

Thursday Morning Open Thread: #SheThePeople

by Anne Laurie|  April 25, 20195:56 am| 145 Comments

This post is in: 2020 Elections, A Woman's Place Is In The House, Because of wow., Open Threads, Post-racial America, Proud to Be A Democrat

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Good afternoon from #SheThePeople in Houston- the first ever presidential forum by and for women of color. Eight candidates will speak. #ff @shaqbrewster & @alivitali – we’ve got it covered. pic.twitter.com/lbxoznvGS5

— Garrett Haake (@GarrettHaake) April 24, 2019

Sounds like this was quite the EVENT!

The forum will feature 8 declared Democratic candidates: Sens. Bernie Sanders, Amy Klobuchar, Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, former Rep. Beto O’Rourke and former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro.

— Mónica Rhor (@monicarhor) April 24, 2019

To clarify:#SheThePeople had a hard cap of eight candidates for today's forum. The eight you saw today were first to respond to invites.
You shouldn't read anything more into it than that.

— Leah D. Daughtry (@LeahDaughtry) April 24, 2019

So many of the badass women in my life are in Houston for #SheThePeople and seeing how excited everyone is for the first ever WOC presidential forum is inspiring. Women of color are the backbone of the Democratic party and its about time we started acting like it. pic.twitter.com/bfKPqk0DnF

— Charlie Bonner (@CharlieKBonner) April 24, 2019

Patrick Svitek, for the Texas Tribune:

… Appearing at Texas Southern University, a historically black college, eight candidates made their pitches at a forum hosted by She the People, a national network of women of color. The three-hour event was one of the biggest gatherings of the Democratic primary candidates yet, let alone in Texas.

Taking questions from moderators and the audience, the candidates covered a range of issues that have already animated the primary — health care, criminal justice and voting rights — while sharpening their cases for how those issues impact women of color. The massive 2020 field is historically diverse, and most participants faced the same question at the end of their time onstage: Why should women of color choose you?…

For some candidates — particularly those who are neither women nor people of color — the forum at times appeared to be a humbling experience. The other hopeful from Texas, Beto O’Rourke, paused before answering why women of color should back him, acknowledging that their support is “not something that I’m owed, not something that I expect” but “something that I fully hope to earn by the work that I do on the campaign trail.” He cited a number of prominent black women in politics that he has learned from — including Houston U.S. Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, a fellow Democrat who has a bill to study reparations that O’Rourke and several other candidates support…

Regardless, the day was a boon for Texas Democrats who increasingly view the state as a battleground. As he left the forum, state party Chairman Gilberto Hinojosa said the event — with its number of candidates and early timing in the primary — was unlike anything he has seen in his 35 years in Texas Democratic politics.

“One of the things that came out of this event today is a recognition — [one] that people who have been involved in politics have known about for a long time — that women of color deliver [a] large number of votes for the Democratic candidates in every election cycle,” Hinojosa said. “That number’s increasing significantly over the years. In the last election cycle, they delivered big time for Democratic candidates. They’re more energized, engaged and angry today than they’ve ever been before.”

Not surprisingly, one candidate started with an extra edge…

Three women of color take the stage. One of whom could be our next president. Two who are moderators. 1000+ women of color watch – they don't just watch – they participate. #SheThePeople2020

This is herstory. pic.twitter.com/8PtNLUJCbF

— She the People (@_shethepeople) April 24, 2019


Sen. Harris gets most cheers and whistles thus far of all the candidates at #shethepeople2020

— Jennifer Epstein (@jeneps) April 24, 2019

.@KamalaHarris: "[Trump] is trying to scapegoat folks to distract from the fact that he ain't done nothin'. pic.twitter.com/kfa4hXRLl3

— chris evans (@notcapnamerica) April 24, 2019

"Civil rights issues are now a national security issue." @KamalaHarris calls out bad actors & foreign adversaries using race – "our Achilles heel" – in online misinformation. It's a "targeted effort at dissension to lead to voter suppression," she says.

Truth.#SheThePeople2020

— Ian Sams (@IanSams) April 24, 2019

.@KamalaHarris says she would make mental health care a right. Says exposure to violence, poverty and associated trauma has wide ranging effects in communities of color #SheThePeople2020 #abc13eyewitness pic.twitter.com/92svD8aEJP

— Tom Abrahams (@TomAbrahams13) April 24, 2019


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… But I’m happy to hear that my personal favorite did us all proud, too!

Elizabeth Warren is on stage now, came on to enthusiastic reponse.

Asked about Black maternal mortality and infant mortality:

"We have failed our mamas. We have failed our babies."#Warren2020#SheThePeople2020 https://t.co/g0GffmyuQo

— Leah McElrath (@leahmcelrath) April 24, 2019

.@ewarren's "I got a plan" line and attacks against politicians backed by big-money donors are getting big applause from #ShethePeople audience, who's really engaged with Warren.

— Michelle Ye Hee Lee (@myhlee) April 24, 2019

At #SheThePeople, a central question in 2020: What do you say to people who aren't confident the country is ready to elect a woman?@ewarren: "Are we gonna show up for people we didn't actually believe in but because we are too afraid to do anything else? That's not who we are." pic.twitter.com/AiRxtGnp23

— Ruby Cramer (@rubycramer) April 24, 2019

One theme emerging in interviews w #SheThePeople audience: People pleasantly bowled over by Warren. “When she talked about her plans, they had meat on the bones.”

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) April 24, 2019

I like how Kamala Harris doesn’t overpromise and overcommit. I’m a big fan of clear, realistic expectations. I also like how Elizabeth Warren paints a picture through her policy proposals of a world that is possible if we can imagine it.

— Candice Aiston (@CandiceAiston) April 24, 2019

Most of the other candidates worked hard to earn their time on stage, as well:

.@JoyAnnReid: "If your base is really Midwestern voters … then why should women of color believe that you are their champion?"

Sen. Klobuchar: "First of all, we have to do both to win." #SheThePeople pic.twitter.com/yni16vgwGO

— MSNBC (@MSNBC) April 24, 2019

Answering question from Miami caregiver: @amyklobuchar calls for $15 minimum wage, support for unions, right to health care, taking on big pharma and supports public option, says she would consider Medicare for all. #SheThePeople2020

— Mónica Rhor (@monicarhor) April 24, 2019

Why should women of color pick you?

“It’s because I have a track record of getting things done for vulnerable communities,” @JulianCastro tells #SheThePeople Forum. Talks about pushing for PreK as mayor and fought against housing discrimination at HUD. pic.twitter.com/Q3QzVGG5qV

— Jeremy Wallace (@JeremySWallace) April 24, 2019

Big applause for Booker when he notes (accurately) that white nationalists have been responsible for most post-9/11 domestic terrorism.

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) April 24, 2019

On ensuring voting rights, @BetoORourke calls for automatic voter registration for 18-year-olds and an end to gerrymandering. #SheThePeople2020

— Mónica Rhor (@monicarhor) April 24, 2019

#ShadeThePeople https://t.co/uJ59PiwgBo

— Wyeth Ruthven (@wyethwire) April 24, 2019

Bernie asked how he'll end gender-based violence. He fumbles around for a minute and then starts talking about changing culture. Lands on saying basically nothing.

LOL they could not have asked him a question more out of his wheelhouse. #SheThePeople2020

— Shannon ??????? (@TheStagmania) April 24, 2019

After getting called out for dodging specific questions about minorities, Bernie reminds the audience he "marched with MLK".

Audible groans/boos.

He wags his finger at them.

This is embarrassing.#SheThePeople2020 pic.twitter.com/iOG1FthwLI

— chris evans (@notcapnamerica) April 24, 2019

Side note:

#NEWS ⁦@JoeBiden⁩’s team was warned about announcing 2020 bid on same day as #SheThePeople forum – Qs being raised by sources if he reflects today’s Dem base or a past generation. https://t.co/g1RJ8ChZcb

— Kyung Lah (@KyungLahCNN) April 24, 2019

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  1. 1.

    rikyrah

    April 25, 2019 at 6:00 am

    Good Morning, Everyone ???

  2. 2.

    Baud

    April 25, 2019 at 6:02 am

    Joy had clips last night while filling in for Chris Hayes. Warren seems to have killed it there.

    I’m biased, but Bernie looked awful to me. Extra shouty and all talking points.

  3. 3.

    Baud

    April 25, 2019 at 6:02 am

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

  4. 4.

    Baud

    April 25, 2019 at 6:03 am

    BTW, the latest news from deplorableville.

    ‘Not something to be flaunted, praised or politicized:’ Franklin Graham blasts Buttigieg for being gay

  5. 5.

    plato

    April 25, 2019 at 6:19 am

    Cry uncle (joe).

  6. 6.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 25, 2019 at 6:19 am

    @rikyrah: Blech.

    @Baud:

    ‘Not something to be flaunted, praised or politicized:’

    Blatant hypocrisy on the other hand….

  7. 7.

    Chyron HR

    April 25, 2019 at 6:23 am

    Audible groans/boos. [Bernie] wags his finger at them.

    HA HA HA jesus christ, what an asshole.

  8. 8.

    Betty Cracker

    April 25, 2019 at 6:24 am

    Okay, that explains why Biden delayed his announcement until today. I wondered about that, thought maybe he was (wisely!) having second thoughts about the whole thing…

    @Baud: Yet Graham’s got nothing but praise for the degenerate demagogue in the White House. I saw a poll recently that found that for the first time in American history, people who identify their religion as “none” outnumber evangelicals and also outnumber Catholics. I don’t suppose it’ll ever occur to the flaming hypocrites and pedophile protectors who lead those organizations in the US that their own actions are responsible for the incipient collapse of Christianity in America. Makes me almost wish I believed in a literal burning hell where they could roast for all eternity.

  9. 9.

    Baud

    April 25, 2019 at 6:26 am

    I wonder who they talked about/laughed at?

    Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong Un meet in Russia’s Far East for first summit

  10. 10.

    Baud

    April 25, 2019 at 6:27 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    I feel bad for good Christians. But they lost their religion in the 80s to Reaganism.

  11. 11.

    Keith P.

    April 25, 2019 at 6:32 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Like giving a million dollar loan to a young pool boy

  12. 12.

    Baud

    April 25, 2019 at 6:35 am

    Even mainstream media noticed.

    Sanders gets tough reception at minority women’s event, signaling challenges ahead

  13. 13.

    geg6

    April 25, 2019 at 6:36 am

    @Baud:

    I don’t, mostly. They could have taken their own to task. They chose not to do that. A few have (like my own cousin, a same sex-married retired Methodist minister) but they, unfortunately, are modern martyrs who were pushed into irrelevance by the hypocrites and grifters.

  14. 14.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 25, 2019 at 6:37 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    Makes me almost wish I believed in a literal burning hell where they could roast for all eternity.

    The downside of being an atheist.

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    Baud

    April 25, 2019 at 6:37 am

    I’ll hand it to the Franklin Graham’s of the world and their followers, though. They are focused on what they want and they don’t get distracted.

  16. 16.

    geg6

    April 25, 2019 at 6:37 am

    @Chyron HR:

    My own exact reaction.

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    Betty Cracker

    April 25, 2019 at 6:38 am

    @Baud: Me too. I know many liberal Christians who are astoundingly kind, amazingly generous and incredibly committed to justice, and I believe them when they tell me their faith is what inspires them. (Though I suspect they’d still be wonderful people if they lost that faith.) They want to wrest their faith away from the crooks and charlatans who co-opted it. I wish them luck, but maybe it’s too late for that. As horrid as the Moral Majority nonsense was in the 80s, the present idolatry around the Orange Pig is even more repulsive.

  18. 18.

    Baud

    April 25, 2019 at 6:40 am

    The Harris campaign says of 19 senior staffers hired so far, 13 are women, and 11 of those are women of color. The campaign says they’re key decision makers, who will reflect the concerns of a vital demographic of voters as well as reaching out to them.

    https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/04/24/politics/kamala-harris-women-of-color/index.html

  19. 19.

    gene108

    April 25, 2019 at 6:41 am

    @Keith P.:

    Was that Franklin Graham or Jerry Falwell, Jr.?

    They all sound so much alike, it is hard to tell them apart.

  20. 20.

    Baud

    April 25, 2019 at 6:43 am

    NYT headline (not linking)

    Mueller Report Reveals Trump’s Fixation on Targeting Hillary Clinton

    You know who else had a fixation on targeting Hillary Clinton?

    ETA: Hint: Think garbage.

  21. 21.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 25, 2019 at 6:44 am

    @geg6:

    They could have taken their own to task.

    Some have, and continue to. My wife’s hair dresser is a Christian minister, has a small Crawford Co congregation. When a gay couple started attending his services, a # of his other congregants complained. He said something along the lines of, “If you don’t like it, there are other churches to attend.”

    But we don’t hear about these people because they aren’t talking to prominent GOPs.

    ETA and DEMs generally don’t wear their religious bonafides like a lapel pin.

  22. 22.

    Raven

    April 25, 2019 at 6:45 am

    No Biden freak out?

  23. 23.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 25, 2019 at 6:46 am

    @Baud:

    They are focused on what they want and they don’t get distracted.

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

  24. 24.

    Barbara

    April 25, 2019 at 6:48 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: My husband’s church left their denominational organization and told them why, but the reality is they sincerely are not motivated by politics and don’t want to define themselves solely in opposition to those Christians whose religious experience revolves around politics.

  25. 25.

    Baud

    April 25, 2019 at 6:50 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    There are millions of good individual and small group Christians. But they’ve never organized themselves nationally to take back their religion.

  26. 26.

    Baud

    April 25, 2019 at 6:50 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Don’t downplay their desire to hate us also.

  27. 27.

    satby

    April 25, 2019 at 6:53 am

    @Chyron HR: @geg6: because first, last, and always he is an asshole.

  28. 28.

    Immanentize

    April 25, 2019 at 6:53 am

    @Raven: Wait for it…

  29. 29.

    Anne Laurie

    April 25, 2019 at 6:55 am

    @Baud: I consciously didn’t link to that article, for reasons; Dave Weigel has been faaar too Bernie-sympathetic for the last several years, but praise Murphy he’s not besotted enough that he can’t see how well this cycle’s primary voters are *not* feeling the Bern…

  30. 30.

    Immanentize

    April 25, 2019 at 6:56 am

    Good Morning All!

    Beautiful sunny day here near Boston. It’s going to get into the ’60s. I wish I could stay he and garden. Sadly, students demand pre-exam comforts.

  31. 31.

    JR

    April 25, 2019 at 6:58 am

    Bernie looks old

  32. 32.

    Anne Laurie

    April 25, 2019 at 6:58 am

    @Raven: The dice have been thrown, the bridge has been crossed, now we wait.

    Hell, if he surprises me by leading the way, you know you can demand an apology!

  33. 33.

    satby

    April 25, 2019 at 7:00 am

    @Raven: it is what it is. I’m just waiting for primaries to start sorting it all out. The rest is just wasted breath and pixels.

  34. 34.

    Immanentize

    April 25, 2019 at 7:01 am

    Whenever Bernie says, “I marched with MLK,” most people I know hear, “And haven’t done shit since.”

    Or more politely, “what have you done besides attend events in the last 55 years?”

  35. 35.

    Immanentize

    April 25, 2019 at 7:02 am

    @satby: I’m at this point too. Things will now start sorting.

  36. 36.

    debbie

    April 25, 2019 at 7:03 am

    @Baud:

    How long do you think it will be until Trump tweets poutingly?

  37. 37.

    debbie

    April 25, 2019 at 7:04 am

    @Raven:

    More like an epic OH blech. The answer to Trump is not the same old, same old.

  38. 38.

    Raven

    April 25, 2019 at 7:05 am

    @satby: yea well that never happens here!

  39. 39.

    Baud

    April 25, 2019 at 7:07 am

    @JR:

    Bernie is old.

  40. 40.

    Raven

    April 25, 2019 at 7:08 am

    I liked his intro vid.

  41. 41.

    Baud

    April 25, 2019 at 7:09 am

    @Anne Laurie:

    Vox is the same way when it comes to Bernie. It’s irritating.

  42. 42.

    Baud

    April 25, 2019 at 7:11 am

    @Raven: Linky?

  43. 43.

    Baud

    April 25, 2019 at 7:13 am

    @Immanentize:

    Things will now start sorting.

    The Hogwarts sorting hat would be freaking useful right now.

  44. 44.

    lamh36

    April 25, 2019 at 7:15 am

    @Baud:

    Joe Biden makes it official: “The core values of this nation, our standing in the world, everything that has made America America is at stake. That’s why today, I’m announcing my candidacy for President of the United States.” Full ad: bit.ly/2W7gyrQ

    Again I am agnostic in Biden but it did piss me off with some of the more obvious “creepy Joe” hit jobs from Bernie faction. Even with Harris being my candidate, I’d be much happier voting for Joe Biden than Bernie in general. and even working to make sure he wins.

    Hate to admit it but Bernie may get my vote in a general but he WWILL NOT get my volunteer time or even donation

  45. 45.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 25, 2019 at 7:16 am

    @Baud: If it didn’t pay so well they’d drop it like a hot rock, but yes they do get high on hate.

  46. 46.

    Raven

    April 25, 2019 at 7:16 am

    @Baud: https://youtu.be/VbOU2fTg6cI

  47. 47.

    Raven

    April 25, 2019 at 7:18 am

    @debbie: that’s one perspective

  48. 48.

    Bobby Thomson

    April 25, 2019 at 7:19 am

    @JR: Don’t you think he looks tired?

  49. 49.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 25, 2019 at 7:19 am

    @Baud: Bernie is definitely a Slitherin.

  50. 50.

    Baud

    April 25, 2019 at 7:22 am

    @Raven:

    Danka. Agree that it’s very good.

  51. 51.

    Bobby Thomson

    April 25, 2019 at 7:24 am

    @Immanentize:

    Whenever Bernie says, “I marched with MLK,” most people I know hear, “And haven’t done shit since.”

    It’s also pretty god damn dishonest and insulting to describe being on the Mall with hundreds of thousands of other people as having “marched.” But yeah, the experience moved him so much he white flighted his ass from Brooklyn to Vermont and didn’t hire any black staffers until 2015.

    At least he didn’t literally run on segregation like Biden.

  52. 52.

    CliosFanboy

    April 25, 2019 at 7:25 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: and the press only pays attention to the RW a-hole “:xtians”

  53. 53.

    debbie

    April 25, 2019 at 7:26 am

    @Raven:

    I never implied otherwise.

  54. 54.

    debbie

    April 25, 2019 at 7:27 am

    @Bobby Thomson:

    Also, Anita Hill.

  55. 55.

    Baud

    April 25, 2019 at 7:28 am

    @lamh36:

    I feel the same. I prefer many of the other candidates to Biden, but Biden over Bernie. Fact is there’s a decent chance Biden ends up the nominee and may even be our best chance of beating Trump. So I don’t really want to trash him too much, although plenty of other people will.

  56. 56.

    MomSense

    April 25, 2019 at 7:33 am

    The more exposure the candidates have, the more it becomes apparent that Harris and Warren are the ones who have what it takes to win the nomination and to be meet the demands of being the president. The question is really whether or not we are willing to work hard enough to get every decent person out to vote for them. There are more of us but we are not consistent.

    It does make me happy that Sanders and Gabbard didn’t do well with an audience that expected substance.

  57. 57.

    Baud

    April 25, 2019 at 7:38 am

    On Today this morning, people are falling to their deaths at the Grand Canyon taking selfies.

    People are nuts.

  58. 58.

    Kay

    April 25, 2019 at 7:42 am

    @MomSense:

    The more exposure the candidates have, the more it becomes apparent that Harris and Warren are the ones who have

    I agree. I think they’re the strongest. But Biden comes in as the front runner so we’ll see how that goes. Warren has a big problem the others don’t have- she has to beat Bernie in NH or she’s out.

  59. 59.

    rikyrah

    April 25, 2019 at 7:43 am

    Bianca Delarosa disobeys Trump’s orders (@Bravewriting) Tweeted:
    Dear Democrats,

    Can you please stay the fuck off Fox “Obama Birther” News?

    Everytime a black child is killed by police they justify it.

    It’s the home of White Nationalism.

    Who exactly are you reaching out to on a station that denigrates the idea that “Black Lives Matter”? https://twitter.com/Bravewriting/status/1121129538455392261?s=17

  60. 60.

    rikyrah

    April 25, 2019 at 7:44 am

    Bianca Delarosa disobeys Trump’s orders (@Bravewriting) Tweeted:
    I mean, if the racist vote is that important to you, go ahead.

    But while you pander for their votes I will be looking to see if you mention us at all.

    We’re not going to go hide quietly in the Kitchen, and stop pushing our agenda so you can peel off some MAGAs. https://twitter.com/Bravewriting/status/1121130348576821248?s=17

  61. 61.

    rikyrah

    April 25, 2019 at 7:45 am

    Bianca Delarosa disobeys Trump’s orders (@Bravewriting) Tweeted:
    Because I’ve seen arguments that Fox News viewers are victims and they’re being hurt too just like the Germans were also victims of the Nazis…

    They WERE the NAZIS!

    I’m a black woman, I have black children, and a black husband.

    Never tell me to sympathize with MAGAFUCKS. https://twitter.com/Bravewriting/status/1121155046815588352?s=17

  62. 62.

    rikyrah

    April 25, 2019 at 7:46 am

    Uh huh ?

    ?⚘Linda❄? #Resistance ! (@LindaResister) Tweeted:
    And it starts! School staffer fired after gun ‘accidentally’ discharges and injures student: report https://t.co/VyJxHiv2Fj https://twitter.com/LindaResister/status/1121225233711673347?s=17

  63. 63.

    rikyrah

    April 25, 2019 at 7:47 am

    NowThis (@nowthisnews) Tweeted:
    ‘This is your Nuremberg moment, your chance to stand on the right side of history.’ — Amal Clooney called out the Trump administration by name for undermining the effort to help women raped during war https://t.co/DeVLxCxFqK https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1121070793234862081?s=17

  64. 64.

    RoonieRoo

    April 25, 2019 at 7:47 am

    I find I am not really thrilled to have Biden in the race. He took to long to announce and as the others get a nice momentum going, I just feel meh that he jumped in.

  65. 65.

    plato

    April 25, 2019 at 7:48 am

    Typical rupert’s ineptness.

    One of Australia’s most popular tabloids has blamed a printing error after pages from a rival newspaper appeared in its Thursday edition.

    The Sydney-based Daily Telegraph, a right-leaning tabloid owned by Rupert Murdoch, accidentally printed two pages of the liberal Sydney Morning Herald.

    The pages include a letter calling for action to tackle climate change.

    The Telegraph has apologised for the mistake and said it happened during the production process.

    “Both papers share the same printing facility in Sydney’s west,” it said in a statement posted to Twitter. “We apologise for any confusion this has caused.”

  66. 66.

    rikyrah

    April 25, 2019 at 7:48 am

    Lis Power (@LisPower1) Tweeted:
    Fox host accidentally admits that Russian interference cost Democrats the election. (I really hope Trump was watching.)

    FRANCIS: Democrats “care about Russia now because it cost them an election.” https://t.co/lfm6nVBdf1 https://twitter.com/LisPower1/status/1121085309180174337?s=17

  67. 67.

    Baud

    April 25, 2019 at 7:49 am

    @Kay:

    Agree. Her run is about the future of progressives as much as it is about anything else.

  68. 68.

    rikyrah

    April 25, 2019 at 7:50 am

    Hmmmm??

    Raw Story (@RawStory) Tweeted:
    Meghan McCain’s father-in-law and five other Trump appointees facing investigations over ethics violations https://t.co/1SFkzDg7S4 https://twitter.com/RawStory/status/1120761657750376448?s=17

  69. 69.

    James E Powell

    April 25, 2019 at 7:51 am

    @Kay:

    I think Warren has to be top two in Iowa.

  70. 70.

    Cheryl from Maryland

    April 25, 2019 at 7:52 am

    Great interview in the New Yorker with Julián Castro — CF: https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-new-yorker-interview/the-democratic-presidential-candidate-eager-to-challenge-trump-on-immigration

    Castro is only 8,524 donors from reaching the Democratic debates this June. I’ve donated a small amount to have his voice on stage — this interview confirms that he has important things to say.

  71. 71.

    JPL

    April 25, 2019 at 7:54 am

    @lamh36: If Joe is the nominee and picks Kamala as his VP, then I’m all in.

  72. 72.

    johnnybuck

    April 25, 2019 at 7:56 am

    @Baud: The thing about Joe is, I’m more than comfortable voting for him, as i expect a lot of democrats are, but that doesn’t preclude me from supporting someone else in primaries, We have a hell of a field, with notable exceptions, and Biden to me at least represents a pretty strong 2nd or 3rd option.

    talk about a deep bench!

  73. 73.

    Kay

    April 25, 2019 at 7:58 am

    @James E Powell:

    I admit, I love how feisty she is. I think she’s fully aware of how hard it will be. I just love people like that – her kind of cheerful barging ahead despite the fact that they all wrote her off after the career-killing DNA gaffe :)

  74. 74.

    Amir Khalid

    April 25, 2019 at 7:58 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    I agree with what I think you mean; but at Hogwarts, the House that the Hat chooses for you is not your destiny.

  75. 75.

    johnnybuck

    April 25, 2019 at 7:59 am

    @JPL: seconded

  76. 76.

    MomSense

    April 25, 2019 at 8:02 am

    @Kay:

    I saw yesterday that only 9% of NH primary voters are decided and only 14% are leaning to one particular candidate. That state is wide open which I find really interesting. That may be as news for Warren but it’s also really bad news for Sanders. I think Dems are spooked after 2016. We are trying to figure out who can beat trump and that seems to me to be trying to solve the wrong riddle.

  77. 77.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    April 25, 2019 at 8:02 am

    Wilmer did perform poorly yesterday, but let’s give him a break. We all know how uncomfortable he gets when he’s around POC.

  78. 78.

    Amir Khalid

    April 25, 2019 at 8:05 am

    It is heartening to see Wilmer’s shallowness exposed in a forum like this. And the substance that other, better candidates offer getting an airing.

  79. 79.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 25, 2019 at 8:08 am

    @Amir Khalid: “Albus Severus Potter, You are named after 2 headmasters of Hogwarts. One of them was a Slytherin, and he was the bravest man I’ve ever known.”.

  80. 80.

    rikyrah

    April 25, 2019 at 8:09 am

    Zerlina Maxwell (@ZerlinaMaxwell) Tweeted:
    If a private group of racist people take a bunch of brown people and put them in cages and don’t let them leave they aren’t detaining them, that’s called kidnapping. https://twitter.com/ZerlinaMaxwell/status/1121135537342111749?s=17

  81. 81.

    MomSense

    April 25, 2019 at 8:09 am

    @Kay:

    The story she told about her mama putting on her dress – that had me in tears. I was genuinely moved by her story.

  82. 82.

    Baud

    April 25, 2019 at 8:10 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    I can’t imagine he will look good on a debate stage with the rest of the field.

  83. 83.

    Amir Khalid

    April 25, 2019 at 8:11 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    I’ve you’ve seen or read Harry Potter and The Cursed Child, you’ll know what House the Hat picks for Albus Potter.

  84. 84.

    rikyrah

    April 25, 2019 at 8:11 am

    ????

    Denizcan James (@MrFilmkritik) Tweeted:
    Everyone who called Paul Ryan a “policy wonk” for the last ten years needs to take a look at Elizabeth Warren and then apologize publicly. https://twitter.com/MrFilmkritik/status/1121122185412845570?s=17

  85. 85.

    Kay

    April 25, 2019 at 8:13 am

    @MomSense:

    Oh, that’s good that they’re undecided. This is my view from reading Bernie campaign Twitter, not his followers on Twitter but his paid campaign people- I think they know they have to be stronger with Democrats. If Bernie were as strong as he says he is I don’t think people who backed him in ’16 would be looking around so much. My middle son was a Bernista in ’16 in the OH primary but voted for Clinton in the general. He’s backing Bernie, but he’s not very attentive – he votes and he’s young so in that group he’s in the “most attentive” category, but I don’t think he even knows who Warren or Harris are. He has a “political” gf now- she canvasses and things- and she’s a mainstream D so he’ll probably end up backing who she backs. She got him out to canvass for Sherrod, which is amazing. He’s quiet. For him to seek out strangers to talk to is something.

  86. 86.

    rikyrah

    April 25, 2019 at 8:14 am

    Mikel Jollett (@Mikel_Jollett) Tweeted:
    What I find so inspiring about Elizabeth Warren is that while so many clamor for attention with vague talking points, she rolls up her sleeves and says, “Guys, I have a PLAN.”

    And that’s the country I want to live in: one in which a brilliant person with a plan gets to lead. https://twitter.com/Mikel_Jollett/status/1121152389203935232?s=17

  87. 87.

    Amir Khalid

    April 25, 2019 at 8:15 am

    @Baud:
    I wonder how the Wilmeristas will respond to his unimpressive showing at this forum.

  88. 88.

    Chyron HR

    April 25, 2019 at 8:17 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    Promising to throw the election if we don’t vote for Bernie (again).

  89. 89.

    Baud

    April 25, 2019 at 8:18 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    I think they only have one response to everything.

  90. 90.

    Immanentize

    April 25, 2019 at 8:21 am

    @Kay:
    One of the real positives about Biden running is that Liz Warren doesn’t look so old now. And as you say, she has the fiestiness of youth and purpose.

  91. 91.

    Immanentize

    April 25, 2019 at 8:22 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    I’m not sure Sanders is a Slytherin. But Gabbard certainly is.

  92. 92.

    Baud

    April 25, 2019 at 8:22 am

    Thank God that warmonger Hillary isn’t president.

    Report: US-led coalition killed 1,600 civilians in Raqqa in 2017

    https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/04/25/politics/amnesty-international-report-raqqa/index.html

  93. 93.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    April 25, 2019 at 8:24 am

    @Baud:

    Thank God that warmonger Hillary isn’t president.

    Dodged a bullet there…

  94. 94.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 25, 2019 at 8:25 am

    @Amir Khalid: Have not seen nor read it. Didn’t even know of it. The latest anything is slow to reach the backwoods of Misery, even the news of a things existence comes late to the hills and hollers. (we finally got this thing called the “internal combustion engine” about a decade ago) I hear tell you fancy pantsed city folk even have portable phones. What will they think of next? ;-)

    I’ll have to keep an eye out for it as I am thoroughly entertained by anything JK Rowling puts her hands to. .

  95. 95.

    Immanentize

    April 25, 2019 at 8:26 am

    @Amir Khalid: They will of course declare his presentation the best one at the conference because he speaks truth to power!

  96. 96.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 25, 2019 at 8:28 am

    @Amir Khalid: “The forum was rigged by the DNC!”

  97. 97.

    Amir Khalid

    April 25, 2019 at 8:29 am

    @Immanentize:
    One thing I’ll give Wilmer credit for: he too makes Warren seem a much younger person by comparison.

  98. 98.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 25, 2019 at 8:30 am

    @Immanentize: He might be a Hufflepuff, in that “he’ll huff, and he’ll puff, until he blows the DNC house down!”

  99. 99.

    Amir Khalid

    April 25, 2019 at 8:33 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    It’s a play written from a story by Rowling. You should be able to find the script in your local/online bookstore. I recommend it.

  100. 100.

    Chyron HR

    April 25, 2019 at 8:36 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    The audience was full of Democrats, which is unfair to the candidate that hates Democrats.

  101. 101.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 25, 2019 at 8:38 am

    I have to admit that I don’t see Elizabeth Warren as old. I think that is due to a number of factors:

    1) I’m an “old” now
    2) she is relatively new to the political stage, and
    3) most importantly, she looks and acts a hell of a lot younger than I feel even if she’s got 9 years on me.

  102. 102.

    rikyrah

    April 25, 2019 at 8:40 am

    Max Boot (@MaxBoot) Tweeted:
    Watch a once-respected former Republican Attorney General, Michael Mukasey, pushing a conspiracy theory–based on no evidence and at odds with Mueller report–about how the FBI investigation of the Trump campaign started. The GOP is following Trump into cloud cuckoo-land. https://t.co/IZBSFgZm8m https://twitter.com/MaxBoot/status/1121043181053702144?s=17

  103. 103.

    rikyrah

    April 25, 2019 at 8:41 am

    Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) Tweeted:
    One other point worth mentioning: The Mueller report explicitly rejected the argument that Trump had the “legal right” to interfere in the investigation in any way he pleased.

    In fact, it concluded presidents *can* break obstruction statutes if they interfere w/ corrupt intent. https://t.co/SkEo5J7ZZa https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1121385258992246784?s=17

  104. 104.

    rikyrah

    April 25, 2019 at 8:41 am

    Michael S. Schmidt (@nytmike) Tweeted:
    Trump wanted to fulfill campaign promise to “Lock Her Up.” Tried 3xs to pressure Sessions into prosecuting Clinton. Episodes are unique because they show Trump going on offensive to target a rival. No president since Nixon is known to have attempted this.
    https://t.co/QFAYlYfj2a https://twitter.com/nytmike/status/1121156998890958849?s=17

  105. 105.

    Baud

    April 25, 2019 at 8:44 am

    @rikyrah:

    When I’m president, you best believe I’m targeting Trump.

  106. 106.

    Percysowner

    April 25, 2019 at 8:51 am

    @geg6: Former Unitarian here! A huge part of the problem is good Christians who didn’t follow the Republican path don’t get talked about in the media, unless they are voting against having gays in the clergy. The liberal Christian wing doesn’t exist as far as the media is concerned, only the fundamentalist evangelicals count as Christian. They also have to be white, since there isn’t a lot of coverage of African-American congregations either.

  107. 107.

    Ladyraxterinok

    April 25, 2019 at 8:56 am

    @Baud: just like several protestant denominations split over slavery before the Civil War*, several now have or may soon split over SameSex marriage–Episcopalian, a Presbyterian denomination, and most recently Unitled Methodists.

    *Baptists, and IIRC Methodists and Presbyterians. The Baptists were the only one that didn’t reunite. SBC only in recent yrs acknowledged they organized to support slavery and then made a mild public apology.

  108. 108.

    Percysowner

    April 25, 2019 at 8:58 am

    @RoonieRoo: I’m not thrilled about Biden either, but at least the media will have a harder time spinning the “white centrist men had no chance” theme. Ryan, Moulton and now Biden have that part more than covered. Biden coming in probably puts a bit of a kibosh on Ryan and Moulton which is good in my book.

  109. 109.

    Leto

    April 25, 2019 at 9:01 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: @Amir Khalid: @Immanentize: I think we’re all missing the better analogy for Wilmer. He’s a muggle. He’s a muggle who’s trying to take over Dumbledore’s job (I forget who’s headmaster during Cursed Child), even though he doesn’t possess any magic of his own. The Sorting Hat would hit his head and announce, “MUGGLE! Why is he here?!?!” He’s not even a squib. He’s just a straight up muggle.

  110. 110.

    Baud

    April 25, 2019 at 9:03 am

    @Leto:

    Bad analogy. Hermione was a muggle too.

  111. 111.

    Ladyraxterinok

    April 25, 2019 at 9:07 am

    @Bobby Thomson: Did Bernie really just totally ignore the black woman VT state legislator who was forced to quit due to the racist threats against her?!

    If so, that pretty clearly shows how much he cares about blacks and women.

    Or maybe he ignored her plight because she’s a oh so evil democrat//

  112. 112.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 25, 2019 at 9:08 am

    @Leto: @Baud: I got it!!! He’s Scabbers, Ron’s rat.

  113. 113.

    Princess

    April 25, 2019 at 9:11 am

    @Kay: My son and all his friends were all-in for Bernie in 2016. He still likes Bernie and dislikes Hillary (whom he voted for in the general) but he has no intention of voting for Bernie this time. Right now he likes Buttigeig because of the way his biography exposes GOP hypocrisy. He doesn’t like Harris whom he sees as a hawk (??? whatever). He’s got one friend working for Bernie and another working for Warren (paid staffers). He says he thinks there is no way Bernie can win. “If people like me aren’t going to vote for him, who will?” So that’s my anecdote.

  114. 114.

    Citizen Alan

    April 25, 2019 at 9:14 am

    @Ladyraxterinok:

    SBC only in recent yrs acknowledged they organized to support slavery and then made a mild public apology.

    They apologized for slavery but have yet to apologize for supporting Jim Crow for nearly a century after slavery was abolished, let alone apologize for their current support for taxpayer funded private schools which is nothing more than stealth resegregation.

  115. 115.

    Ladyraxterinok

    April 25, 2019 at 9:17 am

    @Amir Khalid: ‘It was RIGGED!!’

  116. 116.

    Amir Khalid

    April 25, 2019 at 9:18 am

    @Baud:
    Hermione’s muggle-born but she’s definitely magical.

    @Leto:

    (I forget who’s headmaster during Cursed Child)

    Minerva McGonagall.

  117. 117.

    Amir Khalid

    April 25, 2019 at 9:19 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    We have a winner!

  118. 118.

    tobie

    April 25, 2019 at 9:23 am

    @Immanentize: I don’t think Warren comes off as old at all. Quite the contrary. I think the real question will be to what degree the party wants to be defined by populism. If that’s the direction primary voters want to go in, she will be the candidate. It will be painful for me because I find populism fundamentally anti-democratic and toxic, but I’m just one vote. I found this op ed by Larry Summers on how much revenue a wealth tax will generate interesting. Warren’s entire policy agenda rests on the assumption that a wealth tax will raise $200 billion a year. Take that away and the entire house of cards falls apart. Once upon a time Warren talked about the social contract in moving terms. Now I feel like she sets up strawmen all the time. (See yesterday’s line: “There’s only one thing hospitals care about: money.”)

  119. 119.

    Ladyraxterinok

    April 25, 2019 at 9:23 am

    @Percysowner: Before his death the elder Falwell was the only one ever appearing on TV to present the ‘Christian’ viewpoint.

  120. 120.

    Leto

    April 25, 2019 at 9:40 am

    @Baud: No she was a “Mud Blood” (horrible insult). She was a magic user child from two non-magic user parents. “Pure bloods” hated people like her (Malfoy/Voldemort/etc…).

    @OzarkHillbilly: Funny, but still implies magic. ;)

    @Amir Khalid: Ty good sir!

  121. 121.

    HinTN

    April 25, 2019 at 9:41 am

    @Baud:

    People are nuts.

    You are just now realizing this?

  122. 122.

    Amir Khalid

    April 25, 2019 at 9:48 am

    @Leto:
    Voldemort is actually a Half-Blood, son of a Muggle father and a Pureblood mother. This has a lot to do with his hatred of Muggles.

  123. 123.

    Just One More Canuck

    April 25, 2019 at 9:49 am

    @Immanentize: Sanders is a squib (Filch, not Mrs. Figg)

  124. 124.

    James E Powell

    April 25, 2019 at 9:55 am

    @MomSense:

    I think Dems are spooked after 2016. We are trying to figure out who can beat trump and that seems to me to be trying to solve the wrong riddle.

    Agreed on both points. I think the right riddle is figuring out which candidate can appeal to and animate every component of our coalition without pissing off any of them.

    That last part is the main reason I don’t see Sanders going far. Too many people are still angry with him for 2016 – and no, this is not re-litigating because he has never so much as acknowledged those people or done anything to heal the wound. Either he is unaware or he doesn’t think it matters.

  125. 125.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 25, 2019 at 9:56 am

    @Leto: He pretended to be a friend to the Weasley’s but in reality was Voldemort’s faithful servant. Yes, he has magic, but it’s very limited and not in service to good.

  126. 126.

    Eolirin

    April 25, 2019 at 9:58 am

    @tobie: Honestly, I wouldn’t get too hung up on policy specifics. Warren understands how the legislature works, there’s no way she believes her policy proposals would pass as is. She’s setting up her starting positions in the negotiating process, and she’s correctly avoiding one of the few weaknesses that Obama exhibited of negotiating herself down.

    There are plenty of ways to raise money to pay for good things. The final dollar amount of good things we get and the way we finance them aren’t up to the president anyway. Staking out the positions and getting people behind the broad ideas is necessary to push things forward though, and she’s doing that effectively, and without the kind of mindless sloganing or assumptions of unrealistic growth that makes it very easy to dismiss a policy idea. She’s laying out the trade off correctly even if the specifics of how it’s achieved end up looking different and we only get half way to the outcomes she’d like; taxes on wealthy people have to go up.

  127. 127.

    James E Powell

    April 25, 2019 at 10:00 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    I wonder how the Wilmeristas will respond to his unimpressive showing at this forum.

    They will claim it was rigged because men weren’t in charge of it.

  128. 128.

    Eolirin

    April 25, 2019 at 10:02 am

    @James E Powell: Eh. My bet is on them ignoring that the event even happened and immediately changing the subject or deflecting of it comes up.

    Just like they do with regard to the now proven Russian support in 2016.

  129. 129.

    Amir Khalid

    April 25, 2019 at 10:11 am

    @James E Powell:

    Either he is unaware or he doesn’t think it matters.

    He is not unaware of it. His narrative is that he was the injured party in 2016.

  130. 130.

    tobie

    April 25, 2019 at 10:18 am

    @Eolirin: I agree that funding mechanisms and the like will be hammered out in time, but I don’t think they’re irrelevant, and insofar as Warren’s whole appeal is that she’s the policy expert, it’s fair to ask whether her policies are sound. For many her posts on Medium, especially the last one on free college and debt forgiveness, are game changers. I guess they are for me too but not in a good way. I think they’re sloppy because she’s trying to tackle everything at once–so free in-state tuition at public universities and relief for loans for tuition at public or private university all get treated in one fell swoop even though they’re different problems that need to be addressed in different ways. Same goes for her ag policy, in which she jumps from the problem of seed and fertilizer monopolies to contract farming for animal feed without acknowledging that they are different issues. HRC was a policy whiz. Warren is not. Her legislative record in the Senate is as bad as Bernie’s. The one thing she deserves credit for is the founding of the CFPB, although her big push for readable credit card statements has not been worth a hill of beans as far as I can tell.

  131. 131.

    JGabriel

    April 25, 2019 at 10:35 am

    @Baud:

    ‘Not something to be flaunted, praised or politicized:’ Franklin Graham blasts Buttigieg for being gay

    Funny. That’s how Jesus felt about religion:

    1. Matthew 6:6 – But whenever you pray, go into your room, close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father, who sees in secret, will reward you.

    2. Matthew 22:21 – Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and render unto God the things which are God’s.

    It’s almost like Graham never even read a bible.

  132. 132.

    JGabriel

    April 25, 2019 at 10:38 am

    Screwed up the formatting. The quote box above should enclose both quotes from the bible.

  133. 133.

    gwangung

    April 25, 2019 at 10:39 am

    @Immanentize:

    Whenever Bernie says, “I marched with MLK,” most people I know hear, “And haven’t done shit since.”

    Kiah Morris says, “Amen.”

  134. 134.

    JGabriel

    April 25, 2019 at 10:42 am

    @Leto:

    No she was a “Mud Blood” (horrible insult). She was a magic user child from two non-magic user parents. “Pure bloods” hated people like her (Malfoy/Voldemort/etc…).

    Racist purebloods hated Hermione. Ron, who was also a pureblood, obviously didn’t give fuck who was a pureblood and who wasn’t – because he wasn’t a racist.

  135. 135.

    J R in WV

    April 25, 2019 at 10:43 am

    @Baud:

    I’m biased, but Bernie looked awful to me. Extra shouty and all talking points.

    Yes, he did. Plus never responded to questions put that were the least bit not about his “economic plans”, talked about fixing the economy when asked about racism and violence. Sad old con man act.

    Eta fics speling.

  136. 136.

    gwangung

    April 25, 2019 at 10:46 am

    @Amir Khalid: They were whining about his “disrespectful” treatment on Twitter this morning.

  137. 137.

    Uncle Cosmo

    April 25, 2019 at 10:59 am

    @Kay: Agreed. IMO Warren has come waaaaay closer to fulfilling the 4 conditions required for fundamental reform in this country:

    1. Identify the problem.
    2. Set forth the solution.
    3. Show how to fund the solution.
    4. Define the supporting legislation to ensure that plutocrats & vested interests don’t co-opt the funding & turn it back on the people least able to pay while they scoot off scot-free.

    So far most of SPW’s proposals are well into point 3. The problem is that Point 4 is not just the hardest slog but (IMO) the most critical: People by & large are suspicious of broad policy initiatives, no matter how well-intentioned, because in their experience the funding in the end always comes out of their pockets – the plutocrats will always be able to suborn enough politicians (via bribes, grift &/or blackmail) to ensure that they won’t even get their hair mussed.**

    If we Democrats can offer the voters cogent programs for improving their lives with solid provisions that the costs won’t be taken out of their hides, we can win. Warren is laying the foundation; our eventual nominee (& all Americans) will reap the benefit.

    ** NB the political need to cater to Big Health Insurance & Big Pharma is IMO a key reason for the creaky, clunky design of the ACA. If Obama had proposed anything that would break their collective rice bowl, they’d have closed ranks with the Thugs & fought him tooth & nail – the way the business community fought & beat HRC over the same issue in 1993.

  138. 138.

    gwangung

    April 25, 2019 at 10:59 am

    @Ladyraxterinok: Yes, he did. Kiah Morris.

    And that’s a concrete example of his “allyship” to POCs.

    He HAD to address it, but he didn’t. He left her hanging (like a lot of white politicians would). People notice.

  139. 139.

    Leto

    April 25, 2019 at 11:04 am

    @Amir Khalid: All you’re telling me is that I need to go back and re-read the series because I’ve forgotten things ;)

    @OzarkHillbilly: True. The point I was trying to make (poorly, I guess) is that Wilmer isn’t a Dem, much like muggles aren’t wizards. He isn’t Peter Pettigrew (Scabbers) because Pete was a wizard. Sanders is either a muggle or a squib (we can debate that). I don’t know squat about Wilmers parents so I’m going to label him a muggle. He tried to be a magic user briefly in 2016, then promptly reverted back to muggle status.

    Regardless, I like the Harry Potter discussion we’re have here :)

    @JGabriel: Exactly, and my bad for not explicitly saying racist. Thought I captured it in “pure blood” (quotation marks) but better to label it straight up: racist wizards.

  140. 140.

    JaneE

    April 25, 2019 at 12:02 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly: Back in the 50’s our church lost about a third of the membership because our denomination came out in favor of integration and our minister worked with a black church to integrate our services, at least symbolically. The thought of sitting next to a black family was too much for them, and one of them had been a respected deacon for years. Same problem now, just different bigotry.

  141. 141.

    pat

    April 25, 2019 at 12:17 pm

    @lamh36:

    Hate to admit it but Bernie may get my vote in a general but he WILL NOT get my volunteer time or even donation

    Same here. I walked and knocked on doors for Obama and Hillary. I will not do it for Bernie.

  142. 142.

    Ruckus

    April 25, 2019 at 1:19 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    Upside is that you are not disappointed when they don’t burn in imaginary purgatory, if you don’t expect it in the first place.

  143. 143.

    Ruckus

    April 25, 2019 at 1:23 pm

    @JR:
    He is old. He looks his age. Fucking OLD.

  144. 144.

    Bobby Thomson

    April 25, 2019 at 1:59 pm

    @gwangung: he did disrespect the hell out of the forum by failing to prepare.

  145. 145.

    BCHS Class of 1980

    April 25, 2019 at 4:08 pm

    @Immanentize: And then he mentioned supporting the Rev. Jesse Jackson, which is a time jump from the early ‘60s to the late ‘80s. OK, that takes it m to 30 years ago instead of 55, but how about now?

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