Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Narcissists are always shocked to discover other people have agency.

Never entrust democracy to any process that requires Republicans to act in good faith.

Following reporting rules is only for the little people, apparently.

Let’s delete this post and never speak of this again.

When do the post office & the dmv weigh in on the wuhan virus?

Conservatism: there are people the law protects but does not bind and others who the law binds but does not protect.

So it was an October Surprise A Day, like an Advent calendar but for crime.

rich, arrogant assholes who equate luck with genius

Chutkan laughs. Lauro sits back down.

Their freedom requires your slavery.

The willow is too close to the house.

“Just close your eyes and kiss the girl and go where the tilt-a-whirl takes you.” ~OzarkHillbilly

Trump’s legal defense is going to be a dumpster fire inside a clown car on a derailing train.

“Why isn’t this Snickers bar only a nickel?”

A lot of Dems talk about what the media tells them to talk about. Not helpful.

Found liable for massive fraud, is required to post a massive bond, gets a break, then files a *fraudulent* bond!

Let the trolls come, and then ignore them. that’s the worst thing you can do to a troll.

Elections aren’t won by handwringing, cowering, and/or bashing your own candidates.

Anyone who bans teaching American history has no right to shape America’s future.

Balloon Juice, where there is always someone who will say you’re doing it wrong.

Many life forms that would benefit from greater intelligence, sadly, do not have it.

This year has been the longest three days of putin’s life.

Republican obstruction dressed up as bipartisanship. Again.

Some judge needs to shut this circus down soon.

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Sounds like this was quite the EVENT!

Patrick Svitek, for the Texas Tribune:

… Appearing at Texas Southern University, a historically black college, eight candidates made their pitches at a forum hosted by She the People, a national network of women of color. The three-hour event was one of the biggest gatherings of the Democratic primary candidates yet, let alone in Texas.

Taking questions from moderators and the audience, the candidates covered a range of issues that have already animated the primary — health care, criminal justice and voting rights — while sharpening their cases for how those issues impact women of color. The massive 2020 field is historically diverse, and most participants faced the same question at the end of their time onstage: Why should women of color choose you?…

For some candidates — particularly those who are neither women nor people of color — the forum at times appeared to be a humbling experience. The other hopeful from Texas, Beto O’Rourke, paused before answering why women of color should back him, acknowledging that their support is “not something that I’m owed, not something that I expect” but “something that I fully hope to earn by the work that I do on the campaign trail.” He cited a number of prominent black women in politics that he has learned from — including Houston U.S. Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, a fellow Democrat who has a bill to study reparations that O’Rourke and several other candidates support…

Regardless, the day was a boon for Texas Democrats who increasingly view the state as a battleground. As he left the forum, state party Chairman Gilberto Hinojosa said the event — with its number of candidates and early timing in the primary — was unlike anything he has seen in his 35 years in Texas Democratic politics.

“One of the things that came out of this event today is a recognition — [one] that people who have been involved in politics have known about for a long time — that women of color deliver [a] large number of votes for the Democratic candidates in every election cycle,” Hinojosa said. “That number’s increasing significantly over the years. In the last election cycle, they delivered big time for Democratic candidates. They’re more energized, engaged and angry today than they’ve ever been before.”

Not surprisingly, one candidate started with an extra edge…



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… But I’m happy to hear that my personal favorite did us all proud, too!

Most of the other candidates worked hard to earn their time on stage, as well:

Side note:

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  2. 2.

    Baud

    Joy had clips last night while filling in for Chris Hayes. Warren seems to have killed it there.

    I’m biased, but Bernie looked awful to me. Extra shouty and all talking points.

  7. 7.

    Chyron HR

    Audible groans/boos. [Bernie] wags his finger at them.

    HA HA HA jesus christ, what an asshole.

  8. 8.

    Betty Cracker

    Okay, that explains why Biden delayed his announcement until today. I wondered about that, thought maybe he was (wisely!) having second thoughts about the whole thing…

    @Baud: Yet Graham’s got nothing but praise for the degenerate demagogue in the White House. I saw a poll recently that found that for the first time in American history, people who identify their religion as “none” outnumber evangelicals and also outnumber Catholics. I don’t suppose it’ll ever occur to the flaming hypocrites and pedophile protectors who lead those organizations in the US that their own actions are responsible for the incipient collapse of Christianity in America. Makes me almost wish I believed in a literal burning hell where they could roast for all eternity.

  13. 13.

    geg6

    @Baud:

    I don’t, mostly. They could have taken their own to task. They chose not to do that. A few have (like my own cousin, a same sex-married retired Methodist minister) but they, unfortunately, are modern martyrs who were pushed into irrelevance by the hypocrites and grifters.

  14. 14.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Betty Cracker:

    Makes me almost wish I believed in a literal burning hell where they could roast for all eternity.

    The downside of being an atheist.

  15. 15.

    Baud

    I’ll hand it to the Franklin Graham’s of the world and their followers, though. They are focused on what they want and they don’t get distracted.

  17. 17.

    Betty Cracker

    @Baud: Me too. I know many liberal Christians who are astoundingly kind, amazingly generous and incredibly committed to justice, and I believe them when they tell me their faith is what inspires them. (Though I suspect they’d still be wonderful people if they lost that faith.) They want to wrest their faith away from the crooks and charlatans who co-opted it. I wish them luck, but maybe it’s too late for that. As horrid as the Moral Majority nonsense was in the 80s, the present idolatry around the Orange Pig is even more repulsive.

  20. 20.

    Baud

    NYT headline (not linking)

    Mueller Report Reveals Trump’s Fixation on Targeting Hillary Clinton

    You know who else had a fixation on targeting Hillary Clinton?

    ETA: Hint: Think garbage.

  21. 21.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @geg6:

    They could have taken their own to task.

    Some have, and continue to. My wife’s hair dresser is a Christian minister, has a small Crawford Co congregation. When a gay couple started attending his services, a # of his other congregants complained. He said something along the lines of, “If you don’t like it, there are other churches to attend.”

    But we don’t hear about these people because they aren’t talking to prominent GOPs.

    ETA and DEMs generally don’t wear their religious bonafides like a lapel pin.

  23. 23.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Baud:

    They are focused on what they want and they don’t get distracted.

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

  24. 24.

    Barbara

    @OzarkHillbilly: My husband’s church left their denominational organization and told them why, but the reality is they sincerely are not motivated by politics and don’t want to define themselves solely in opposition to those Christians whose religious experience revolves around politics.

  25. 25.

    Baud

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    There are millions of good individual and small group Christians. But they’ve never organized themselves nationally to take back their religion.

  29. 29.

    Anne Laurie

    @Baud: I consciously didn’t link to that article, for reasons; Dave Weigel has been faaar too Bernie-sympathetic for the last several years, but praise Murphy he’s not besotted enough that he can’t see how well this cycle’s primary voters are *not* feeling the Bern…

  30. 30.

    Immanentize

    Good Morning All!

    Beautiful sunny day here near Boston. It’s going to get into the ’60s. I wish I could stay he and garden. Sadly, students demand pre-exam comforts.

  32. 32.

    Anne Laurie

    @Raven: The dice have been thrown, the bridge has been crossed, now we wait.

    Hell, if he surprises me by leading the way, you know you can demand an apology!

  34. 34.

    Immanentize

    Whenever Bernie says, “I marched with MLK,” most people I know hear, “And haven’t done shit since.”

    Or more politely, “what have you done besides attend events in the last 55 years?”

  44. 44.

    lamh36

    @Baud:

    Joe Biden makes it official: “The core values of this nation, our standing in the world, everything that has made America America is at stake. That’s why today, I’m announcing my candidacy for President of the United States.” Full ad: bit.ly/2W7gyrQ

    Again I am agnostic in Biden but it did piss me off with some of the more obvious “creepy Joe” hit jobs from Bernie faction. Even with Harris being my candidate, I’d be much happier voting for Joe Biden than Bernie in general. and even working to make sure he wins.

    Hate to admit it but Bernie may get my vote in a general but he WWILL NOT get my volunteer time or even donation

  45. 45.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Baud: If it didn’t pay so well they’d drop it like a hot rock, but yes they do get high on hate.

  51. 51.

    Bobby Thomson

    @Immanentize:

    Whenever Bernie says, “I marched with MLK,” most people I know hear, “And haven’t done shit since.”

    It’s also pretty god damn dishonest and insulting to describe being on the Mall with hundreds of thousands of other people as having “marched.” But yeah, the experience moved him so much he white flighted his ass from Brooklyn to Vermont and didn’t hire any black staffers until 2015.

    At least he didn’t literally run on segregation like Biden.

  55. 55.

    Baud

    @lamh36:

    I feel the same. I prefer many of the other candidates to Biden, but Biden over Bernie. Fact is there’s a decent chance Biden ends up the nominee and may even be our best chance of beating Trump. So I don’t really want to trash him too much, although plenty of other people will.

  56. 56.

    MomSense

    The more exposure the candidates have, the more it becomes apparent that Harris and Warren are the ones who have what it takes to win the nomination and to be meet the demands of being the president. The question is really whether or not we are willing to work hard enough to get every decent person out to vote for them. There are more of us but we are not consistent.

    It does make me happy that Sanders and Gabbard didn’t do well with an audience that expected substance.

  57. 57.

    Baud

    On Today this morning, people are falling to their deaths at the Grand Canyon taking selfies.

    People are nuts.

  58. 58.

    Kay

    @MomSense:

    The more exposure the candidates have, the more it becomes apparent that Harris and Warren are the ones who have

    I agree. I think they’re the strongest. But Biden comes in as the front runner so we’ll see how that goes. Warren has a big problem the others don’t have- she has to beat Bernie in NH or she’s out.

  64. 64.

    RoonieRoo

    I find I am not really thrilled to have Biden in the race. He took to long to announce and as the others get a nice momentum going, I just feel meh that he jumped in.

  65. 65.

    plato

    Typical rupert’s ineptness.

    One of Australia’s most popular tabloids has blamed a printing error after pages from a rival newspaper appeared in its Thursday edition.

    The Sydney-based Daily Telegraph, a right-leaning tabloid owned by Rupert Murdoch, accidentally printed two pages of the liberal Sydney Morning Herald.

    The pages include a letter calling for action to tackle climate change.

    The Telegraph has apologised for the mistake and said it happened during the production process.

    “Both papers share the same printing facility in Sydney’s west,” it said in a statement posted to Twitter. “We apologise for any confusion this has caused.”

  72. 72.

    johnnybuck

    @Baud: The thing about Joe is, I’m more than comfortable voting for him, as i expect a lot of democrats are, but that doesn’t preclude me from supporting someone else in primaries, We have a hell of a field, with notable exceptions, and Biden to me at least represents a pretty strong 2nd or 3rd option.

    talk about a deep bench!

  73. 73.

    Kay

    @James E Powell:

    I admit, I love how feisty she is. I think she’s fully aware of how hard it will be. I just love people like that – her kind of cheerful barging ahead despite the fact that they all wrote her off after the career-killing DNA gaffe :)

  76. 76.

    MomSense

    @Kay:

    I saw yesterday that only 9% of NH primary voters are decided and only 14% are leaning to one particular candidate. That state is wide open which I find really interesting. That may be as news for Warren but it’s also really bad news for Sanders. I think Dems are spooked after 2016. We are trying to figure out who can beat trump and that seems to me to be trying to solve the wrong riddle.

  77. 77.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    Wilmer did perform poorly yesterday, but let’s give him a break. We all know how uncomfortable he gets when he’s around POC.

  78. 78.

    Amir Khalid

    It is heartening to see Wilmer’s shallowness exposed in a forum like this. And the substance that other, better candidates offer getting an airing.

  81. 81.

    MomSense

    @Kay:

    The story she told about her mama putting on her dress – that had me in tears. I was genuinely moved by her story.

  85. 85.

    Kay

    @MomSense:

    Oh, that’s good that they’re undecided. This is my view from reading Bernie campaign Twitter, not his followers on Twitter but his paid campaign people- I think they know they have to be stronger with Democrats. If Bernie were as strong as he says he is I don’t think people who backed him in ’16 would be looking around so much. My middle son was a Bernista in ’16 in the OH primary but voted for Clinton in the general. He’s backing Bernie, but he’s not very attentive – he votes and he’s young so in that group he’s in the “most attentive” category, but I don’t think he even knows who Warren or Harris are. He has a “political” gf now- she canvasses and things- and she’s a mainstream D so he’ll probably end up backing who she backs. She got him out to canvass for Sherrod, which is amazing. He’s quiet. For him to seek out strangers to talk to is something.

  90. 90.

    Immanentize

    @Kay:
    One of the real positives about Biden running is that Liz Warren doesn’t look so old now. And as you say, she has the fiestiness of youth and purpose.

  94. 94.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Amir Khalid: Have not seen nor read it. Didn’t even know of it. The latest anything is slow to reach the backwoods of Misery, even the news of a things existence comes late to the hills and hollers. (we finally got this thing called the “internal combustion engine” about a decade ago) I hear tell you fancy pantsed city folk even have portable phones. What will they think of next? ;-)

    I’ll have to keep an eye out for it as I am thoroughly entertained by anything JK Rowling puts her hands to. .

  101. 101.

    OzarkHillbilly

    I have to admit that I don’t see Elizabeth Warren as old. I think that is due to a number of factors:

    1) I’m an “old” now
    2) she is relatively new to the political stage, and
    3) most importantly, she looks and acts a hell of a lot younger than I feel even if she’s got 9 years on me.

  106. 106.

    Percysowner

    @geg6: Former Unitarian here! A huge part of the problem is good Christians who didn’t follow the Republican path don’t get talked about in the media, unless they are voting against having gays in the clergy. The liberal Christian wing doesn’t exist as far as the media is concerned, only the fundamentalist evangelicals count as Christian. They also have to be white, since there isn’t a lot of coverage of African-American congregations either.

  107. 107.

    Ladyraxterinok

    @Baud: just like several protestant denominations split over slavery before the Civil War*, several now have or may soon split over SameSex marriage–Episcopalian, a Presbyterian denomination, and most recently Unitled Methodists.

    *Baptists, and IIRC Methodists and Presbyterians. The Baptists were the only one that didn’t reunite. SBC only in recent yrs acknowledged they organized to support slavery and then made a mild public apology.

  108. 108.

    Percysowner

    @RoonieRoo: I’m not thrilled about Biden either, but at least the media will have a harder time spinning the “white centrist men had no chance” theme. Ryan, Moulton and now Biden have that part more than covered. Biden coming in probably puts a bit of a kibosh on Ryan and Moulton which is good in my book.

  109. 109.

    Leto

    @OzarkHillbilly: @Amir Khalid: @Immanentize: I think we’re all missing the better analogy for Wilmer. He’s a muggle. He’s a muggle who’s trying to take over Dumbledore’s job (I forget who’s headmaster during Cursed Child), even though he doesn’t possess any magic of his own. The Sorting Hat would hit his head and announce, “MUGGLE! Why is he here?!?!” He’s not even a squib. He’s just a straight up muggle.

  111. 111.

    Ladyraxterinok

    @Bobby Thomson: Did Bernie really just totally ignore the black woman VT state legislator who was forced to quit due to the racist threats against her?!

    If so, that pretty clearly shows how much he cares about blacks and women.

    Or maybe he ignored her plight because she’s a oh so evil democrat//

  113. 113.

    Princess

    @Kay: My son and all his friends were all-in for Bernie in 2016. He still likes Bernie and dislikes Hillary (whom he voted for in the general) but he has no intention of voting for Bernie this time. Right now he likes Buttigeig because of the way his biography exposes GOP hypocrisy. He doesn’t like Harris whom he sees as a hawk (??? whatever). He’s got one friend working for Bernie and another working for Warren (paid staffers). He says he thinks there is no way Bernie can win. “If people like me aren’t going to vote for him, who will?” So that’s my anecdote.

  114. 114.

    Citizen Alan

    @Ladyraxterinok:

    SBC only in recent yrs acknowledged they organized to support slavery and then made a mild public apology.

    They apologized for slavery but have yet to apologize for supporting Jim Crow for nearly a century after slavery was abolished, let alone apologize for their current support for taxpayer funded private schools which is nothing more than stealth resegregation.

  116. 116.

    Amir Khalid

    @Baud:
    Hermione’s muggle-born but she’s definitely magical.

    @Leto:

    (I forget who’s headmaster during Cursed Child)

    Minerva McGonagall.

  118. 118.

    tobie

    @Immanentize: I don’t think Warren comes off as old at all. Quite the contrary. I think the real question will be to what degree the party wants to be defined by populism. If that’s the direction primary voters want to go in, she will be the candidate. It will be painful for me because I find populism fundamentally anti-democratic and toxic, but I’m just one vote. I found this op ed by Larry Summers on how much revenue a wealth tax will generate interesting. Warren’s entire policy agenda rests on the assumption that a wealth tax will raise $200 billion a year. Take that away and the entire house of cards falls apart. Once upon a time Warren talked about the social contract in moving terms. Now I feel like she sets up strawmen all the time. (See yesterday’s line: “There’s only one thing hospitals care about: money.”)

  120. 120.

    Leto

    @Baud: No she was a “Mud Blood” (horrible insult). She was a magic user child from two non-magic user parents. “Pure bloods” hated people like her (Malfoy/Voldemort/etc…).

    @OzarkHillbilly: Funny, but still implies magic. ;)

    @Amir Khalid: Ty good sir!

  122. 122.

    Amir Khalid

    @Leto:
    Voldemort is actually a Half-Blood, son of a Muggle father and a Pureblood mother. This has a lot to do with his hatred of Muggles.

  124. 124.

    James E Powell

    @MomSense:

    I think Dems are spooked after 2016. We are trying to figure out who can beat trump and that seems to me to be trying to solve the wrong riddle.

    Agreed on both points. I think the right riddle is figuring out which candidate can appeal to and animate every component of our coalition without pissing off any of them.

    That last part is the main reason I don’t see Sanders going far. Too many people are still angry with him for 2016 – and no, this is not re-litigating because he has never so much as acknowledged those people or done anything to heal the wound. Either he is unaware or he doesn’t think it matters.

  125. 125.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Leto: He pretended to be a friend to the Weasley’s but in reality was Voldemort’s faithful servant. Yes, he has magic, but it’s very limited and not in service to good.

  126. 126.

    Eolirin

    @tobie: Honestly, I wouldn’t get too hung up on policy specifics. Warren understands how the legislature works, there’s no way she believes her policy proposals would pass as is. She’s setting up her starting positions in the negotiating process, and she’s correctly avoiding one of the few weaknesses that Obama exhibited of negotiating herself down.

    There are plenty of ways to raise money to pay for good things. The final dollar amount of good things we get and the way we finance them aren’t up to the president anyway. Staking out the positions and getting people behind the broad ideas is necessary to push things forward though, and she’s doing that effectively, and without the kind of mindless sloganing or assumptions of unrealistic growth that makes it very easy to dismiss a policy idea. She’s laying out the trade off correctly even if the specifics of how it’s achieved end up looking different and we only get half way to the outcomes she’d like; taxes on wealthy people have to go up.

  127. 127.

    James E Powell

    @Amir Khalid:

    I wonder how the Wilmeristas will respond to his unimpressive showing at this forum.

    They will claim it was rigged because men weren’t in charge of it.

  128. 128.

    Eolirin

    @James E Powell: Eh. My bet is on them ignoring that the event even happened and immediately changing the subject or deflecting of it comes up.

    Just like they do with regard to the now proven Russian support in 2016.

  130. 130.

    tobie

    @Eolirin: I agree that funding mechanisms and the like will be hammered out in time, but I don’t think they’re irrelevant, and insofar as Warren’s whole appeal is that she’s the policy expert, it’s fair to ask whether her policies are sound. For many her posts on Medium, especially the last one on free college and debt forgiveness, are game changers. I guess they are for me too but not in a good way. I think they’re sloppy because she’s trying to tackle everything at once–so free in-state tuition at public universities and relief for loans for tuition at public or private university all get treated in one fell swoop even though they’re different problems that need to be addressed in different ways. Same goes for her ag policy, in which she jumps from the problem of seed and fertilizer monopolies to contract farming for animal feed without acknowledging that they are different issues. HRC was a policy whiz. Warren is not. Her legislative record in the Senate is as bad as Bernie’s. The one thing she deserves credit for is the founding of the CFPB, although her big push for readable credit card statements has not been worth a hill of beans as far as I can tell.

  131. 131.

    JGabriel

    @Baud:

    ‘Not something to be flaunted, praised or politicized:’ Franklin Graham blasts Buttigieg for being gay

    Funny. That’s how Jesus felt about religion:

    1. Matthew 6:6 – But whenever you pray, go into your room, close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father, who sees in secret, will reward you.

    2. Matthew 22:21 – Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and render unto God the things which are God’s.

    It’s almost like Graham never even read a bible.

  134. 134.

    JGabriel

    @Leto:

    No she was a “Mud Blood” (horrible insult). She was a magic user child from two non-magic user parents. “Pure bloods” hated people like her (Malfoy/Voldemort/etc…).

    Racist purebloods hated Hermione. Ron, who was also a pureblood, obviously didn’t give fuck who was a pureblood and who wasn’t – because he wasn’t a racist.

  135. 135.

    J R in WV

    @Baud:

    I’m biased, but Bernie looked awful to me. Extra shouty and all talking points.

    Yes, he did. Plus never responded to questions put that were the least bit not about his “economic plans”, talked about fixing the economy when asked about racism and violence. Sad old con man act.

    Eta fics speling.

  137. 137.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @Kay: Agreed. IMO Warren has come waaaaay closer to fulfilling the 4 conditions required for fundamental reform in this country:

    1. Identify the problem.
    2. Set forth the solution.
    3. Show how to fund the solution.
    4. Define the supporting legislation to ensure that plutocrats & vested interests don’t co-opt the funding & turn it back on the people least able to pay while they scoot off scot-free.

    So far most of SPW’s proposals are well into point 3. The problem is that Point 4 is not just the hardest slog but (IMO) the most critical: People by & large are suspicious of broad policy initiatives, no matter how well-intentioned, because in their experience the funding in the end always comes out of their pockets – the plutocrats will always be able to suborn enough politicians (via bribes, grift &/or blackmail) to ensure that they won’t even get their hair mussed.**

    If we Democrats can offer the voters cogent programs for improving their lives with solid provisions that the costs won’t be taken out of their hides, we can win. Warren is laying the foundation; our eventual nominee (& all Americans) will reap the benefit.

    ** NB the political need to cater to Big Health Insurance & Big Pharma is IMO a key reason for the creaky, clunky design of the ACA. If Obama had proposed anything that would break their collective rice bowl, they’d have closed ranks with the Thugs & fought him tooth & nail – the way the business community fought & beat HRC over the same issue in 1993.

  138. 138.

    gwangung

    @Ladyraxterinok: Yes, he did. Kiah Morris.

    And that’s a concrete example of his “allyship” to POCs.

    He HAD to address it, but he didn’t. He left her hanging (like a lot of white politicians would). People notice.

  139. 139.

    Leto

    @Amir Khalid: All you’re telling me is that I need to go back and re-read the series because I’ve forgotten things ;)

    @OzarkHillbilly: True. The point I was trying to make (poorly, I guess) is that Wilmer isn’t a Dem, much like muggles aren’t wizards. He isn’t Peter Pettigrew (Scabbers) because Pete was a wizard. Sanders is either a muggle or a squib (we can debate that). I don’t know squat about Wilmers parents so I’m going to label him a muggle. He tried to be a magic user briefly in 2016, then promptly reverted back to muggle status.

    Regardless, I like the Harry Potter discussion we’re have here :)

    @JGabriel: Exactly, and my bad for not explicitly saying racist. Thought I captured it in “pure blood” (quotation marks) but better to label it straight up: racist wizards.

  140. 140.

    JaneE

    @OzarkHillbilly: Back in the 50’s our church lost about a third of the membership because our denomination came out in favor of integration and our minister worked with a black church to integrate our services, at least symbolically. The thought of sitting next to a black family was too much for them, and one of them had been a respected deacon for years. Same problem now, just different bigotry.

  141. 141.

    pat

    @lamh36:

    Hate to admit it but Bernie may get my vote in a general but he WILL NOT get my volunteer time or even donation

    Same here. I walked and knocked on doors for Obama and Hillary. I will not do it for Bernie.

  145. 145.

    BCHS Class of 1980

    @Immanentize: And then he mentioned supporting the Rev. Jesse Jackson, which is a time jump from the early ‘60s to the late ‘80s. OK, that takes it m to 30 years ago instead of 55, but how about now?

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