REPORTER: “Mr. President, did you tell [Putin] not to meddle in the next election?”
TRUMP: “We had a good conversation about many different things, ‘k?”
REPORTER: “Did you tell him not to meddle in the next election?”
TRUMP: “We didn't discuss that.” pic.twitter.com/OmHkFyakU4— Kenneth P. Vogel (@kenvogel) May 3, 2019
Mueller is really getting to the Squatter-in-Chief; Trump can’t be arsed any longer to even pretend he isn’t taking orders directly from Putin. And — let it never be forgotten — the entire GOP is just fine with that!
Kudos to the always persistent @kwelkernbc for not backing down and eventually getting her question answered. https://t.co/55EvKlIqaE
— Abby D. Phillip (@abbydphillip) May 3, 2019
Kristin Welker…and yes to both.
— BronxSaint (@tiger150) May 3, 2019
By the way, according to the Kremlin, the phone call was Trump's idea. https://t.co/fGn1vexCp1
— Julia Ioffe (@juliaioffe) May 3, 2019
He cold called Putin to complain about the investigation.
I, and I can't stress this enough, mean…. https://t.co/pv1JkHTsQE
— Zeddediah Springfield (@Zeddary) May 3, 2019
Do you think Donald Trump disagreed even once with Vladimir Putin during their hour-long phone call this morning?
— Mig Greengard (@chessninja) May 3, 2019
Readout of Trump/Putin call:
Barr's got your back.
What do we do about Biden?
Can you help me with Biden?
You must have something on Biden, right?— Schooley (@Rschooley) May 3, 2019
Were they FaceTiming?
(Serious question.) https://t.co/k22LBr49Wd
— Julia Ioffe (@juliaioffe) May 3, 2019
Per pool: "Yes, Trump did say that when he talked to Putin about the Mueller report and Russian meddling, Putin 'sort of smiled' before he called it 'a mountain' that 'ended up being a mouse.'"
— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) May 3, 2019
Wow. The President of the United States just confirmed that he directly informed Vladimir Putin that he is not accepting the Mueller report's conclusion that Russia interfered in our 2016 election in "sweeping and systematic" fashion.
That seems problematic. https://t.co/QDxJxwwNJP
— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) May 3, 2019
Robert Mueller provided an 150-page account of Russian interference in our election.
Donald J. Trump is a traitor to his country. https://t.co/H3E3Jwo9Wv
— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) May 4, 2019
A hostile foreign power attacked our democracy. The president welcomed that attack, obstructed the investigation into it, & is now cozying up with the leader who orchestrated it. Congress needs to do its job, stand up for our national security, and begin impeachment proceedings. pic.twitter.com/Uak15qiymi
— Elizabeth Warren (@ewarren) May 3, 2019
NotMax
Whatever the Russian is for “what a maroon” it was heard in the Kremlin within seconds of logging off.
Brachiator
DT phone home.
Jeffro
Time to choose, Republicans. Your country or your delusions. Your country or your party. Your country or
Oh wait, never mind, you already chose…
SiubhanDuinne
Mostly I try not to be too existentially scared, and am pretty good at it.
But no more. This is honest-to-Zeus terrifying behavior. I’m torn between WTF and OMFG.
Emerald
Yeppers. They’ve finished with this annoying investigation. Time for the boss to set the next agenda.
And I have a serious question: when our side starts winning the court cases and the WH says, basically, so what; when Orangymandius simply defies the courts, which is what he’s going to do, what do we do then? I recall that Andrew Jackson said, IIRC, when his Indian removal was declared unconstitutional, “The Chief Justice has made his decision. Now let him enforce it.” (or words to that effect).
What’s our next step after that?
lumpkin
The president of the United states is totally subservient to the criminal dictator of a third rate hostile nation.
I never, in my most cynical moments ever thought anything remotely like this was possible.
I’m still shocked. I cannot come up with any reason to hope for the future of this country.
tobie
@SiubhanDuinne: the stress of all this got to me this afternoon. I’ve had to dig out Tums to deal with it. It’s like seeing democracy swirl down the drain.
Mike in NC
@NotMax: In Russian, something close is “On Idyot”.
SiubhanDuinne
@tobie:
Yes, I hear you. There are times when I seriously wonder if I’ll ever manage to sleep through the night again.
This is not the America my 5th-grade teacher told me about.
Kay
Told ya. There was no risk to Pelosi for agreeing to meet on infrastructure. The GOP doesn’t give a shit about infrastructure and Trump is so busy planting stories in the NYTimes about Biden’s son he won’t put any work at all into it.
I wonder if they’re working with Wikileaks yet. We’ll know pretty soon I guess.
Mike in NC
Don’t she’s electable in such a mysoginstic country, but I do like what Senator Warren says more and more.
Baud
Benedict Arnold
John Wilkes Booth
Donald Trump
Emerald
@Mike in NC: Sure she’s electable. Only two people in American history have won over 65 million votes. One was a Black man and the other was a woman.
The problem we have is who’s going to tabulate the votes.
Quinerly
Kremlin reporting the call was actually 90 mins.
And, of course, initiated by Trump.
patrick II
Today I saw the tape of Barr’s accusation of spying of the Trump campaign by investigators. Among other reasons why that assertion is ridiculous is that the FBI and Intelligence community briefed Donald on the Russian infiltration. As I remember, Trump knew it wasn’t true because of the briefer’s body language. Spys do not give reports to the spyee.
SiubhanDuinne
@Brachiator:
Well done. Internet-winning worthy, in fact.
Baud
@Mike in NC:
Vote for who you like. Forget the rest.
Baud
@Brachiator:
@SiubhanDuinne:
Seconded.
Baud
Maybe they were negotiating the terms of Trump’s asylum.
Jeffro
Weather’s turning nice these days…we’re probably past due for a rally or march, right?
I wonder if we put a million folks around the WH chanting “traitor” and “Putin’s toy”, would that run for 30 seconds on cable news, or would they just cut away to the latest thing that Don Jr has tweeted?
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@NotMax:
Probably something like this: что за бордовый
debbie
For me, the real tell was Trump’s statement that he believed Putin had good intentions for Venezuela.
Ajabu
@NotMax:
I understand the origin of the term but, as a Jamaican, Maroon Has a substantially different meaning to us
Look up maroon rebellion
Kay
Trump can’t ever admit “a hostile foreign power interfered in our democracy”
He can’t. Because that second part of that is “to elect Donald Trump”
Warren doesn’t lack courage and even she won’t go that far, although it’s true and everyone knows it. He will never, ever admit it. It’s devastating. Even without collusion or conspiracy or anything else, the fact is Putin worked to get Trump elected and there is and was a reason for that.
Felanius Kootea
@Emerald: Have the low-level people breaking the law carrying out his orders arrested. It won’t be Trump himself, he won’t lift a finger to help them and they will be arrested and jailed.
That characteristic of his (lack of loyalty to anyone but himself) is actually a plus here. Without it, you have a more disciplined kleptocracy with no regard for the rule of law and you begin to understand why the general population in many third world dictatorships actually welcome coups: all the institutions have failed them. We’re not there in the US.
James E Powell
@Mike in NC:
дурак! Or at least that’s what my ex-wife called me.
Ohio Mom
@lumpkin: What you said: The president of the United states is totally subservient to the criminal dictator of a third rate hostile nation.
But not just any hostile nation, THE hostile nation.
I remember when people like me rolled their eyes at the Cold War. It seemed hyped up, something right-wingers used for their own purposes.
And now, it’s a very hot Cold War, people like me are gobsmacked and petrified, and right-wingers are using it for their own purposes.
What gets me is the image of Trump calling Putin to chat, as if they were teenage BBFs (picture Patty Duke in character, phone in hand, pressed to her ear, out of hearing of the rest of the family) catching up, comparing notes on their days, complaining about their parents/Democrats, daydreaming about their futures, and promising to always be there for one another. Tne complete opposite of how heads of states are supposed to relate to one another.
piratedan
if we want this shit show to end, someone has to bring forth evidence that the Senate Majority Leader is guilty of a crime, otherwise this carousel of ignominy will continue, just mho
Mike in NC
@Kay: Putin wanted Trump in 2016 simply because he hated Secretary Clinton for standing up to him. But who knows whether he even cares about 2020?
James E Powell
@Mike in NC:
I used the word that my ex-wife used to call me. It’s in moderation.
Emerald
@Felanius Kootea: Thanks. That’s reasonable.
@Baud: Yeah, I’ve often visualized him in a nice $50 million penthouse in Moscow, eventually. I bet he’d even use Air Force One to get there.
Jay
@Felanius Kootea:
Yup, seconded.
oldgold
The Russian take on today’s conversation between Trump and Putin.
(Emphasis Supplied)
Kay
Kushner doesn’t believe there was Russian interference either. None of them do. They think Putin wrangling to get them elected reflects poorly on them so they simply choose not to believe it.
All these reporters asking “did you tell him not to interfere again?” Trump’s thinking, well, no, because there was no interference. They tell us they don’t believe it happened over and over and for some reason we’re all insisting they REALLY believe it, somewhere down deep, in their heart of hearts.
Raoul
With my usual caveats about Tom, but yeah:
sukabi
@Quinerly: well sure drumpf initiated it and blabbered on for 90 minutes. He’s still trying to get his Moscow project off the ground.
“So Vlad, we’ve wrapped up the Mueller witch hunt and they didn’t toss my ass in the can. I can’t thank you enough. About our other little project, how soon do you think we can move on it?”
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
This thing is coming to some kind of a head. Things can’t keep on going the way they are now for too much longer. Sooner or later, something has to break. It’ll either be Donald Tяump and the Republicans or it’ll be our democracy. I pray it’s the former, because I don’t want to know what comes after this if democracy breaks.
Kay
@Mike in NC:
I don’t believe that. I think it’s been established that he hates Hillary Clinton, but I think there’s some larger benefit to Putin and his plutocrats personally – either short term or long term. Recall, they didn’t just want to beat Clinton. They wanted Donald J Trump. THAT person as President. They wanted Donald Trump as President and a GOP Congress. They didn’t intervene on behalf of any Democratic congressional candidates- just Republicans. That’s more than hatred of Hillary Clinton.
Jay
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Raoul
@Mike in NC: If Putin’s goal is further destabilization of the US, rather than specifically wanting an idiot patsy in office, I could imagine Russian interference working differently in the run-up to Nov 2020.
A Dem president, perhaps a modest widening of the Dem majority in the House, and Mitch continuing to preside over (if the Dems don’t friggin watch out!) a 53/47 split (presuming CO and ME swap with MI and AL). A recipe for bitter divisions, possible criminal charges for Trump, and unhinged rantings about stolen elections and maybe the need for the National Guard to evict Orangemadias.
Top that off with a very stale, top-heavy economy that is IMO ripe for a recession. Oh and of course Kush’s mideast peace is a flop, Pompeo has managed to start a war in or near Iran, and who the frunk knows about Venezuela?
Seems like a scenario Vlad would love.
Gin & Tonic
@Raoul: I’ve read the Kremlin’s readout of the call, and yeah, Nichols is accurate. Putin even referred to the “internal Ukrainian conflict” as if it’s purely a domestic issue, and not the result of HIM FUCKING INVADING THE COUNTRY!
I’ll bet the house that Trump didn’t correct him on that.
Jay
@Kay:
They wanted US leadership tainted, alliances broken, the US Government flailing about, sanctions lifted and the US Economy on a knife edge. They wanted the US made an enemy to it’s long time allies.
They got everything they wanted.
Steve in the ATL
@Baud:
Why are you sabotaging your own campaign?
Baud
@Steve in the ATL:
I thought Mike liked me.
mrmoshpotato
Republican party
1854-2016
Traitorous Trump Trash Soviet Shitpiles
2017-the end of time even after we burn the party to the ground, piss on the ashes and salt the ground
P.S. Fuck the 77000 purity assholes who foisted this reality on 65 million of us.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Kay:
You’re suggesting that the modern GOP has a lot in common ideologically with Putin. I think you’re right. I think Putin wants the the sanctions that have been strangling him gone. I also think he wants the US and liberal democracy destroyed.
Baud
@Steve in the ATL:
Holy cow. I was going through my feed and apparently Chris Hayes said the same thing tonight on his show.
sukabi
@Kay: what they say publicly is they don’t believe Russia interfered. Kushner, Don Jr. And drumpf himself solicited help from Russia.
They KNOW they’re guilty, their play is to keep denying it so their base support doesn’t bolt.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Jay:
That begs the question: Are our allies trying to disrupt the GOP, since they’re a big part of the problem? They enable Trump and protect him. Destroy them and you destroy Trump
Jay
“An active-duty soldier in the U.S. Army is under investigation for his alleged leadership role in a neo-Nazi terror group, a military official has confirmed to HuffPost.
Last month, independent journalist Nate Thayer published an article identifying 22-year-old Corwyn Storm Carver as a recent leader of the Atomwaffen Division, a violent, Charles Manson-worshipping, white supremacist group whose members and supporters were implicated in five murders in 2017. ”
https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/atomwaffen-division-army-soldier-investigation-corwyn-storm-carver_n_5ccb5350e4b0e4d7572fde38
mrmoshpotato
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: Goku, you’re asking why our allies don’t attack us.
Gin & Tonic
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: That “raises” the question. “Begs the question” refers to circular reasoning, or assuming the premise of the point you are arguing. Poorly translated from the Latin petitio principii.
/pedant
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@mrmoshpotato:
No, I’m asking why they don’t try to fuck with the Republican Party, who, along with Putin, are a threat to the long-term survival of humanity and liberal democracy
Jay
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
It’s your job to save the democracy you have, also to lose it, not ours.
Every country get’s the government they deserve.
Tokyokie
@Ajabu: It’s a turn of phrase from old Bugs Bunny cartoons, as in, “What a maroon!” It’s Bugs’ way of saying, “Moron.”
Tell ‘em, Bugs!
JR
@Baud: Vidkun Quisling
Steve in the ATL
@Gin & Tonic: “begs the question” is used correctly as often as “literally” is and therefore should be resigned to the dustbin of history.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Gin & Tonic:
What you said. Thanks : )
plato
Fuck maggie, the magat from fynyt.
plato
Kudos to Kristin Welker for putting the totus thug in a spot.
Gin & Tonic
@Steve in the ATL: I will fight the good fight. You should see me when somebody says “the data is.” Makes my skin crawl, literally.
mrmoshpotato
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: You are asking why foreign powers don’t attack a US political party. Kind of defeats the whole self-governing and freedom thing of the US.
Anne Laurie
@Mike in NC:
Bookmark this: As the Dem primaries heat up, Putin will let it be known to our Media Village Idiots that he just might be boosting some other guy this time. Such as the junior Senator from Vermont, who has already benefited from IRA assistance! (Or even one or more of the most photogenic no-hopers, like Yang or Williamson — candidates whose supporters might be desperate enough to snatch at online promises.)
Not saying that the Kremlin ratfvckers would actually stop supporting Trump… but Vlad will want to force Trump, not to mention McConnell & the other GOP traitors, to publicly beg for his continued benevolence. It further degrades Americans’ trust in their government, while providing cheap entertainment for the oligarchs in Moscow.
prostratedragon
@Ajabu: In some of the earlier Bugs Bunny cartoons it sounds to me like “What a maroom.”
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
P
plato
Guess the ‘dem’ who voted yes.
Anne Laurie
@Emerald:
Things get sticky enough for the Rethugs, I can see Mitch offering Donny Dollhands one last ride on his gilt-encrusted sky-chariot.
On the other hand, I don’t see Putin offering asylum — once Trump is no longer in power, he’s no use any more. And unlike, for instance, Snowden, Trump is too dimwitted & incurious to give away any tradecraft if he’s interrogated.
If he doesn’t stroke out (with or without ‘assistance’), my guess is that Trump ends up living on the charity of some other kleptocrat in a country that doesn’t have extradition treaties with the U.S. Hey, he wanted to build a Trump Tower in Baku…
Kay
@sukabi:
I think they’re way more egotistical than that. They do not want to believe there was Russian interference because if they believe that they have to accept it was to get them elected, and that reflects poorly on them. Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump believe they are good people who rose solely on merit and hard work and innate superiority. Putin’s assistance sullies their self-image, therefore, cannot be true. Must. Not.
It’s like if you got a job you really wanted and someone told you “well, but you’re aware that this companies competitor secretly took out the other applicant because they wanted you, because that’s better for them”
They can’t have that. It’s incompatible with how they see themselves.
Jay
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
It’s up to you to save yourselves. We are also busy trying to keep our democracies.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Jay:
I know you’re ultimately right
Jay
https://thinkprogress.org/black-people-are-idiots-scandal-rocks-tennessee-legislature-ef27abbf4c15/
Jay
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
Keep in mind, our IC’s and Law Enforcement are fully cooperating with lawfull requests for intormation and assistance.
Kay
@sukabi:
Kushner’s had a lot of practice denying assistance. “I woulda got into Harvard anyway, the two million dollar donation played no role in that”
They’ve been doing this their whole lives.
Kay
@plato:
Yes, incredibly, the NYTimes will be relying on Rudolph Giuliani to relay all information on Joseph Biden. Similarly, they used “Clinton Cash” as a reference for their stellar Hillary Clinton coverage.
I had trouble figuring out if the story was about Giuliani or Biden. I was leaning “Rudy” because he was quoted more than anyone else. It answered the question: “what DOES Rudy Giuliani believe about Joe Biden?” I admit I was not shocked to find out that Rudy is NOT a supporter.
plato
@Kay: The way she tries to sneakily normalize the totus thug’s treason by citing putin is horrible.
plato
Steve in the ATL
@Kay:
A question that no one cared to have answered
Lulymay
@lumpkin:
Do you, per chance, have any extra coin for a wall between your country and Canada? Of course, that would be just to keep your guy and his bunch of syncophants on your side. The rest of you are quite welcome!
Bill Arnold
She asked the wrong question. Should have asked:
Did you ask him to meddle in the next election?
I have no strong confidence that he didn’t.
plato
Bill Arnold
@plato:
Is twitter still asserting that they don’t shadowban? There are a few accounts that I follow (well, have browser tabs for) that don’t deserve it IMO.
Jay
@Lulymay:
https://mobile.twitter.com/theCanadaParty/status/796449117991899136?
Raoul
@Gin & Tonic: On matters Russian, I fully expect Nichols to be correct, or at least making some of the most informed analysis.
My usual caveats are that he’s arrogant (and he knows it), and if we get out Trumpistan relatively unscathed, he’ll be back to leading the charge for a robust but not idiot-centered conservative policies. As is his right.
rikyrah
@Kay:
I knew infrastructure was a no go when they revealed that no Republicans were at the meeting
Llelldorin
Trump’s offenses are so legion that I have trouble grasping them; I find myself becoming insanely furious at the least among them. I mean, there’s kowtowing to a thug like Putin, there’s the obstruction of justice, there’s the betrayal of longtime allies, and I’m sitting here screaming, “The mountain didn’t turn into a mouse, you moron, it labored and gave birth to a mouse! Read a book!“
Llelldorin
I mean, Putin’s a vicious thug, but at least their vicious thug can get a classical allusion right.
dimmsdale
@Emerald:
Well, yeah. Exactly. That’s the question I have too (in fact I just raised the point on another favorite lefty blog). At this point, the dimmest among us (I include myself as a charter member of that cohort, of course) should be able to see exactly where all this is going, but there are many stages to go through before the ultimate fascist (or oligarchic/fascistic or whatever) end state is accomplished. Who on our side, I wonder, has a relatively expansive view of it, and who is planning/gaming out a democratic (small D) response to each level of attack on our democracy, including the most extreme possibilities?
I wonder.
Barry
@NotMax: “Whatever the Russian is for “what a maroon” it was heard in the Kremlin within seconds of logging off.”
When I started my current job, I received their pay offer. The HR recruiter hoped that it was satisfactory.
It was 20% more than I had hoped for.
That feeling is but a speed bump compared to Putin’s feelings right now:
1) He’s installed an almost openly-treasounous lackey in his enemies capital, and now has the 100% support of that party.
2) The UK (you know, formerly great Britain) is going down the chute even faster.
The only people happier must be the leadership of China.
Barry
@Emerald: “What’s our next step after that?”
Well, if the courts are honest, bench warrants, which would include warrants for those obstructing the initial arrests (i.e., treat GOP officeholders as if they were subject to the law).
Barry
@Mike in NC: “But who knows whether he even cares about 2020?”
He does, very much. Given a reelected Trump and a Senate in GOP hands, the House is in a very weak position, and the courts will only go more Federalist.
By 2024, it might be impossible for the GOP to lose the Senate and most state governments, and they can continue to run the US into the ground.
In addition, the FSB will have so much kompromat that they’ll need upgrade storage facilities.
Throw in formerly great Britain, Poland, Hungary, Turkey, much of the Middle East, and the Western system will be no longer. In the end, Russia will have won the Cold War – they just had a 15-year setback.
jc
No collusion. You’re the colluder. No obstruction. You’re the obstructer. No traitor. You’re the traitor.
How does a Dem. candidate win against Trump’s non-stop reality-warping psycho-drama?
NobodySpecial
@Ajabu: Yeah, there were a lot of really racially ugly Bugs Bunny cartoons that have since vanished into whatever became of Warner Bros.’ vaults. Maroon has a pretty stereotypical meaning, it’s just covered over by people who never saw stuff like “All This and Rabbit Stew”.
Chris Johnson
@jc: Bear in mind a lot of people who have been most deeply affected by this reality-warping are old. Old in a society that is obliterating their health care and selling their livelihoods out to globalism. Part of the reality-warping is about making sure they never turn to the only other functional political party on hand… the one which in recent memory has taken more interest in social spending and community-building in an economic sense, the one which has taken ownership of the concept that health care is a kind of right.
In a very real sense, those people will DIE. They’ll go bankrupt on relatively innocuous medial issues, giving all their money to the health insurance lobby issue by issue as they’re bled dry, and when they’re bankrupt or denied care at the wrong time or just when their number comes up they will die, and stop being voting citizens (far as we know: that’s worth some attention too).
It’s a lot like tulip mania or the dotcom bust: when the madness seems too great, (a) there’s probably an underlying reason for that and (b) it probably is.
With tulips, it was underlying extraordinary wealth driving meaningless acquisition, then a bust. With the dotcom bust… it was underlying extraordinary wealth, driving meaningless ambition, and then a bust.
Let’s call this one underlying extraordinary wealth driving meaningless TREASON and then a bust. This is a ‘madness’ like any other. Nobody can warp reality too far without a snap-back. If on the one hand we hang on to the social freedoms modern-day Dems cherish, and on the other hand we incorporate the Warren attention to economic detail (I’m not even gonna cite S-word, back in the day I would gladly have gone with Warren as she was Elizabeth Warren and persisting even then, she’d just refused to run), we will recover.
Gerrmany is the lion of the Eurozone, after surviving similar madness (twice!) and disgrace, and repentance. Germans are damn serious about not becoming monstrous. We will do fine. We will need to shake off our monstrousness and not go there again, and we will not command the world, but we will do just fine.
Chris Johnson
@Barry:
Yeah, at the cost of turning into the worst of the West. Russia is gone. All that remains of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics is a collection of stateless oligarchs, and as much as they think ‘I am the state!’ that’s not really a thing. Imagine the chaos when Putin croaks of old age, one day.
In a sense, the West won the Cold War and that’s not a great thing. Capitalism won the cold war and Capitalism is a damn cancer: it is small wonder that it was able to destroy the Soviets and leave them a banana republic. It’s doing the same here. NEITHER side won the Cold War. It’s zombies in the respective jerseys on both sides. Everybody lost to globalism and oligarchy, and now it’s a different (and stateless) game.