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You are here: Home / Civil Rights / Women's Rights / Contraception Clusterfuck / Keeping Women Barefoot And Pregnant

Keeping Women Barefoot And Pregnant

by Cheryl Rofer|  May 9, 201910:32 pm| 81 Comments

This post is in: Contraception Clusterfuck, Women's Rights Are Human Rights, "Lock Her Up!!", All we want is life beyond the thunderdome, Assholes, Blatant Liars and the Lies They Tell

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The Georgia legislature passed a law making abortion after six weeks of pregnancy illegal. I won’t go into all the details of the law. The theory is that a fetal heartbeat can be detected at that time. This is nonsense, because the embryo (it isn’t a fetus until nine weeks after conception) doesn’t have a heart at that point, although it does have a group of cells that, with luck, will become a heart and pulse together.

Pregnancies are defined from the last period, so six weeks is about when a period is late enough (for most women) that the woman starts thinking that maybe she’s pregnant. So the law bans all abortions. It also, and I haven’t dug into these details, makes it likely that women who have miscarriages can be convicted and imprisoned. Some asshole also said that it applies to ectopic pregnancies too, because the embryo/fetus should be removed from its unfortunate implantation outside the uterus and gently placed into that uterus. This is also nonsense – no such procedure has been developed.

Ohio wants to ban insurance coverage for abortion and most types of contraception. (Thanks, debbie!)

Alabama has also indulged in some sort of fuckery around a forced pregnancy law, but they haven’t gotten to voting on it yet.

The ACLU and others are challenging the Georgia law. At least two movie production companies are withdrawing from making movies in Georgia.

The responses on Twitter have been great. Here are some.

It is hard to imagine how much men hate and fear women to write those abortion laws.

— Cheryl Rofer (@CherylRofer) May 10, 2019

Great thread here – women will identify, and men should think about this.

If you didn't bleed through every pair of pants you had in 7th grade, you can't write laws about reproductive rights.

— Megan Gailey (@megangailey) May 8, 2019

My mother was big in the abortion rights movement. In the early 1960s, when abortion was still illegal, she had a miscarriage at around six months. So she's covered in blood, with a dead fetus between her legs, and the doctor told her she couldn't be cleaned up yet. GUESS WHY? 1/ https://t.co/AyUjp4sNeS

— David Avallone (@DAvallone) May 9, 2019

Hi @BeckerGOP, I’m a practicing ob-gyn and researcher on abortion and contraception, and thought you might want some help understanding ectopic pregnancy since your bill (HB182) gets some things wrong. I’ll clear up a few things in this thread. https://t.co/BdXYHnCAtI

— Dr. Daniel Grossman (@DrDGrossman) May 8, 2019

Something that I don't think most people really get is that we've never really seen abortion laws this draconian in the history of the United States, even pre-"Roe v. Wade." https://t.co/oIzaYzKxZT

— David Walsh (@DavidAstinWalsh) May 8, 2019

At six weeks, the embryo is microscopic. A late and difficult period may well be an early miscarriage. Will the legislators want to examine menstrual fluid for those microscopic people?

liz chances are you’ve flushed one of these down the toilet without noticing https://t.co/fPedwV1kw5

— Brandy Jensen (@BrandyLJensen) May 8, 2019

https://twitter.com/noboa/status/1126192158481035264

You can donate to Planned Parenthood here. (thanks joel haines)

I think it’s cool that so many women are talking so candidly about menstruation and related matters.

Over to you all.

 

 

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  1. 1.

    Cheryl Rofer

    May 9, 2019 at 10:42 pm

    Of course the point of these laws, besides telling women what they’re good for, is for them to be appealed to the Supreme Court to destroy Roe v. Wade.

    Paging @SenatorCollins. pic.twitter.com/pWwnfqA0B7

    — *you're (@RKJ65) May 10, 2019

  2. 2.

    khead

    May 9, 2019 at 10:43 pm

    Will the legislators want to examine menstrual fluid for those microscopic people?

    I know you meant this is as a rhetorical question, but I’m not so sure it’s that laughable nowadays.

  3. 3.

    Cheryl Rofer

    May 9, 2019 at 10:44 pm

    It's fascinating to see people argue that women won't really be punished if abortion is illegal. Here are some things that have *already* happened to women despite Roe:

    — Jessica Valenti (@JessicaValenti) May 9, 2019

  4. 4.

    debbie

    May 9, 2019 at 10:45 pm

    In case anyone missed my link on the last thread, Ohio is moving to make far greater changes than a mere heartbeat bill. The governor is very pro-life and there aren’t nearly enough Dems to stop this.

  5. 5.

    Harbison

    May 9, 2019 at 10:45 pm

    That (((David Avallone))) thread was fantastic. Thanks for posting

  6. 6.

    debbie

    May 9, 2019 at 10:46 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Here’s the thing: If they really and truly cared about the child, they would criminalize the behavior of the $#@! men who could not keep their pants zipped.

  7. 7.

    Aleta

    May 9, 2019 at 10:46 pm

    test

  8. 8.

    SiubhanDuinne

    May 9, 2019 at 10:48 pm

    I promise you, Governor Stacey Abrams would never in a thousand years have signed this horrendous piece of legislation.

  9. 9.

    Cheryl Rofer

    May 9, 2019 at 10:48 pm

    Of course, none of these “pro-life” people are proposing legislation for supporting women’s or children’s health.

  10. 10.

    Cheryl Rofer

    May 9, 2019 at 10:49 pm

    @debbie: Or, if every sperm is sacred, they should be criminalizing male masturbation.

  11. 11.

    Ian R

    May 9, 2019 at 10:49 pm

    @debbie: Of course they don’t care about the “child” at all. They care about subjugating women, and hurting liberals. Maybe in that order, maybe not.

  12. 12.

    Cheryl Rofer

    May 9, 2019 at 10:51 pm

    so the Alabama abortion criminalization bill has an extra tacked on to the end of it wherein, if a woman reports being raped and they find the person she accused not guilty, SHE goes to jail, because it's declared a false rape accusation https://t.co/TheaK9IqD0

    — jessica a. m. ??? (@my2k) May 9, 2019

  13. 13.

    AliceBlue

    May 9, 2019 at 10:52 pm

    In Georgia it’s not just men. GA state senator Renee Untermann–who is A NURSE for fuck’s sake–has voted for every anti abortion bill the legislature has horked up.

    I’m 65 years old now, so this bill won’t affect me personally But I take it personally because I had an abortion when I was 23. Thanks to Roe v. Wade it was safe and legal. This makes me so furious I can’t see straight.

  14. 14.

    hotshoe

    May 9, 2019 at 10:53 pm

    No man should be allowed to vote on reproductive rights unless he can prove he’s been surgically castrated.
    No, I’m serious.
    That’s closer to a sane humane option than the one I really want to suggest.
    But I don’t want to shame BJ by getting any more graphic than that, sorry.

  15. 15.

    Harbison

    May 9, 2019 at 10:55 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    That, too, was an amazing thread.

    I can’t believe this hasn’t been getting more media attention.

  16. 16.

    Major Major Major Major

    May 9, 2019 at 10:55 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: sweet mother of god

  17. 17.

    Zelma

    May 9, 2019 at 10:56 pm

    Isn’t Pepsico based in Georgia? How about boycotting their products. What other big companies are based there? Any big conventions planning to meet in Atlanta? Make them hurt because they are hurting women.

  18. 18.

    Cheryl Rofer

    May 9, 2019 at 10:56 pm

    Remember this prediction? I may have been wrong. More states, fewer months https://t.co/1sHJxCj5CR

    — Jeffrey Toobin (@JeffreyToobin) May 9, 2019

  19. 19.

    chris

    May 9, 2019 at 10:59 pm

    Can’t think of anything good to say. The hoarse Whisperer has an interesting and nonviolent thought:

    Pro-lifers have spent decades using litigation to try to rob women of autonomy.Here’s an idea: return the favorAs states like GA prep abortion bans, craft a plan to sue men for damages for unwanted pregnancies.Not child support. Damages.To career, income and oppty.1/2— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) 9 May 2019

  20. 20.

    John Revolta

    May 9, 2019 at 11:00 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Pregnancies are defined from the last period

    Yeah this might be my “favorite” part. “You can’t have an abortion after you’re six weeks pregnant, and we get to say when you got pregnant.”

  21. 21.

    Mary G

    May 9, 2019 at 11:02 pm

    Mood:

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHRHRGRGRGRRRGURBHJB EORWPSOJWPJORGWOIRGWSGODEWPGOHEPW09GJEDPOKSD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    0924QU8T63095JRGHWPE09UJ0PWHRGW— Lady Gaga (@ladygaga) November 7, 2012

  22. 22.

    Omnes Omnibus

    May 9, 2019 at 11:03 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: NOT GUILTY DOES NOT MEAN INNOCENT!!!!!! Sorry, but that;s about the only part of this on which I have anything to offer. The rest should be between a woman and her doctor.

  23. 23.

    romeo24

    May 9, 2019 at 11:07 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: I think that’s a really important point. At the moment, the forced-birthers are defining “life” as starting at conception, but an embryo and fetus up to viability are really just potential life, in the same way as a sperm and egg. So it’s a very small slip down the slope until we reach the Catholic position of “every sperm is sacred.” In fact, with the talk in the Ohio legislation about the pill being an abortificant (which of course it isn’t, it’s an ovulation suppressant), it seems we’re already there.

  24. 24.

    Mathguy

    May 9, 2019 at 11:09 pm

    @Zelma: Coca Cola is based in GA.

  25. 25.

    John Revolta

    May 9, 2019 at 11:12 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    if a woman reports being raped and they find the person she accused not guilty, SHE goes to jail

    Damn, it just keeps getting better!

    And isn’t giving false testimony ALREADY a crime? Are they allowed to charge you if you don’t get a conviction? Or would this be a special thing just for rape cases? WTeverlovinF??

  26. 26.

    smintheus

    May 9, 2019 at 11:12 pm

    You can’t just re-implant.

    FALSW!!!11 Zoos re-implanted Dieohneyesus in his own thigh so Christ can stick these innocent babies in his wrist or his buttocks or eyelasses or wherever you want, libs!

  27. 27.

    smintheus

    May 9, 2019 at 11:14 pm

    @romeo24: Is every fingernail sacred too?

  28. 28.

    Nelle

    May 9, 2019 at 11:15 pm

    As a child who went to three church services every Sunday and one on Wednesday, at a minimum, until I was 18, I puzzled over many Bible verses. What did it mean that God forbade men from spilling their seed on the ground? Why isn’t that act penalized by law? It is more biblically based than arguments against abortion.

    And if pregnancy is God’s will, so are limp dicks and Viagra is going against the will of the Almighty. Yes, indeed.

    So now, a pregnant rape victim must carry the embryo, then fetus to term. Such as the 11 year old rape victim in Ohio.

    If there is a God, I’d like to see her get busy with some smiting.

  29. 29.

    Joe Falco

    May 9, 2019 at 11:15 pm

    @Zelma:
    Dragon*Con is around Labor Day weekend. Since it’s one of the biggest conventions in the Southeast, a boycott would be noticeable.

  30. 30.

    Aleta

    May 9, 2019 at 11:16 pm

    How Georgia and Kansas Reveal the Future Battleground for Abortion Rights, Jessica Mason Pieklo & Imani Gandy
    (Podcast and transcript from today)

  31. 31.

    Ian R

    May 9, 2019 at 11:18 pm

    @Zelma: PepsiCo is headquartered in Harrison, NY. You’re thinking of Coca Cola, whose headquarters is in Atlanta.

  32. 32.

    chopper

    May 9, 2019 at 11:24 pm

    @Nelle:

    What did it mean that God forbade men from spilling their seed on the ground?

    it meant “use a tissue, fellas”.

    i dunno that’s all i got by way of humor, this shit is enraging.

  33. 33.

    Cheryl Rofer

    May 9, 2019 at 11:26 pm

    It looks like that 11-year-old rape victim will be able to end the pregnancy. But later victims may not be able to.

    The new restrictions aren’t scheduled to go into effect until mid-July and will almost certainly be stayed by federal judges as challenges to such brazen violations of Roe make their way up the appeals process. If the girl decides to end her pregnancy, she will be able to.

  34. 34.

    Ohio Mom

    May 9, 2019 at 11:32 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: “If the girl decides to end her pregnancy?” She’s her own guardian? If she had cancer, would it be up to her to decide whether or not to have chemo? If her appendix had burst, whether or not to have surgery?

  35. 35.

    Yutsano

    May 9, 2019 at 11:32 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: She would need parental/guardian permission to do so if my understanding of Ohio law is correct. One would hope that they would be understanding enough to allow her to make that choice, Although what a horrifying choice to have to make at her age! I hope the sperm donor is rotting in jail.

  36. 36.

    Chetan Murthy

    May 9, 2019 at 11:33 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    It looks like that 11-year-old rape victim will be able to end the pregnancy.

    I’d write “Oh God” but clearly there isn’t any, what with this sort of bullshit. It’s a shonda for all of us. All of us. If there’d been a Jesus, he’d weep. The poor child.

  37. 37.

    Jay

    May 9, 2019 at 11:33 pm

    Forced Birthing is grounds for a refugee claim in Canada.

    Just’s saying.

    I’m sure that nobody would complain very much if y’all women decided to come North as a preventive measure.

    I’m sure that most Canadian Men and more than a few Canadian women would welcome the sudden and massive gender imballence.

  38. 38.

    Cheryl Rofer

    May 9, 2019 at 11:37 pm

    Abortion is LEGAL in Judaism. We prioritize the mother's life & see the embryo/fetus as part of her body until it's born & takes its first breath. So when you say banning abortion is for the sake of "religious liberty," be damn sure to clarify you're talking about Christianity. https://t.co/vZZDE53a8i

    — Rafaella Gunz (@DiscoxBloodbath) May 8, 2019

  39. 39.

    Ohio Mom

    May 9, 2019 at 11:38 pm

    @John Revolta: Doctors count pregnancies from tne first day of the last menstrual period because it’s the only consistent landmark they have.

    It’s those rotten Republicans that are taking advantage of lay people’s confusion (well, they appear to be mighty confused themselves) about exactly what “six weeks” means.

  40. 40.

    Aleta

    May 9, 2019 at 11:39 pm

    @Aleta:

    …
    …
    (IG) There are state Supreme Courts in 13 states that have said, specifically, that their state constitution independently protect decisions regarding pregnancy from unjustifiable government interference.

    I’m going to list you those 13 states. … We’ve got Iowa, Minnesota, North Dakota, Alaska, Florida, West Virginia? Oklahoma? Montana, California, obviously. Massachusetts, pretty obviously. New Jersey … I don’t know what the fuck’s going on in New Jersey, and I’m practically from there … Ohio, which you know, good God … and Tennessee.

    Now, it’s important to note that even though the Tennessee state Supreme Court said that there was a right to abortion in their constitution, voters in 2014 basically superseded that by passing Amendment 1, which basically enacted fetal personhood in Tennessee.

    But, still … I mean, that’s a huge deal.

    (JP) That is amazing. Okay. State Supreme Courts in three states have also implied that their constitutions provide this protection also, which is huge. Because we are talking about Missouri, okay? That’s big, Missouri. New York, which, you’re okay for right now, but hey. Anything’s possible. Don’t take anything for granted.

    And Utah. So in three states, there are state Supreme Court decisions that suggest an inkling to protect abortion rights at a level greater than the federal.

    (IG) And there’s only one appellate court to address this issue, and find that their state constitution does not provide protection.
    …
    And that’s an intermediate appellate court in Michigan. So it’s not the state Supreme Court, it’s just a court of appeals in Michigan. And they said, “Nope, we don’t have such a right.” So screw you, Michigan. I mean, you’re fine, Michigan. But screw you.

    (JP) Right. We’ll work on your judges, I guess.

    But that’s really important because that means that there are states like North Dakota and Ohio, which you mentioned, Imani, where the federal courts have grown as conservative now as state lawmakers, thanks to a lot of Trump appointments. So it will be increasingly up to state courts, then, to protect abortion rights.

    Really, the battleground is starting to shift. Which, I guess, leads to the question of, what’s next? What happens next?

    (IG) Well, states are going to try to amend their constitutions to ban abortion by inserting personhood language.

    Kansas introduced a resolution called HCR 5004 back in January of this year, before the Supreme Court issued its ruling in Kansas. As I said earlier, Tennessee superseded its ruling that the constitution protected the right to abortion with Amendment 1, which voters approved in November 2014. That amendment read … and I would imagine a lot of amendments in other states will read similarly …

    It read, “Nothing in this Constitution secures or protects a right to abortion or requires the funding of an abortion. The people retain the right through their elected state representatives and state senators to enact, amend, or repeal statutes regarding abortion, including but not limited to circumstances of pregnancy resulting from rape or incest, or when necessary to save the life of the mother.”

    So we’re going to see a lot more efforts like this to basically strip abortion rights from the constitution.

    (JP) And I think we’ll see states that have partisan judicial elections, we’ll likely see an influx of outside money. We’re going to see groups like the Judicial Crisis Network and the Republican State Leadership Committee … They’re pouring money into state court elections to ensure that conservatives on the bench uphold laws and policy that reflect their conservative agenda.

    I mean, this absolutely has to do with abortion rights. But we’re going to see this in terms of other areas like voter I.D. and gerrymandering. Issues that get tried in state constitutional venues as well. Local elections matter, and voting for judges in local elections matter, too.

    (IG) It really does. I know a lot of people don’t think about voting for judges. And in a lot of states, you don’t actually vote for your judges. So it’s important to figure out whether or not you live in a state where you can influence these sorts of issues by voting for judges that will uphold these sorts of civil rights. That will uphold these natural rights. Look into that, pay attention to that.

    (IG) Then also, one thing you can do? Support your local abortion clinics- Always.

    … and support local abortion funds. They’re the front line when it comes to providing funds for low-income people and other otherwise marginalized people who can’t afford these services.

    (JP) And while we have this time where the courts and state legislatures are figuring out and fighting over the boundaries of those rights, it is the clinics and the funds that are there, making sure that the people who need access to services get them. That is absolutely always a good thing to do.

    A little bit of mixed news, I guess, right, Imani?

    (JP) Things are terrible, but maybe there’s some hope.

    (IG) Yeah, and honestly, 200 pages sounds like a lot. But I’m telling you, if you have the inclination whatsoever, just grab a copy of that Kansas decision and read it. Because it will make you feel better, and it will give you arguments that you can use when you’re talking to anti-choicers about this issue.

    (JP) Bounce over to the Facebook group. We’ll happily talk to you about it.
    …

  41. 41.

    Cheryl Rofer

    May 9, 2019 at 11:39 pm

    @Ohio Mom: Presumably, as Yutsano points out, her parents will be involved in the decision. But I would hope that she has something to say about it too.

  42. 42.

    Aleta

    May 9, 2019 at 11:42 pm

    @Aleta:
    comment in moderation — is the ab or word, used 2000 times?
    or just too many quotes ?

  43. 43.

    Cheryl Rofer

    May 9, 2019 at 11:45 pm

    @Aleta: Approved

  44. 44.

    Cheryl Rofer

    May 9, 2019 at 11:46 pm

    Okay y’all. I’m going to bed. Will check back in the morning.

  45. 45.

    Jay

    May 9, 2019 at 11:46 pm

    “Pakistan
    Asia Bibi arrives in Canada after leaving Pakistan
    Christian woman freed last year after spending eight years on death row for blasphemy”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/08/asia-bibi-arrives-in-canada-after-leaving-pakistan

    Just saying,……

  46. 46.

    Patricia Kayden

    May 9, 2019 at 11:49 pm

    We talk about how men who pass these awful forced birther laws hate women. How much more do women who keep voting for these men hate women? That’s the issue.

  47. 47.

    eemom

    May 9, 2019 at 11:51 pm

    @debbie: @chris:

    You lose me when you comment on this issue and use the phrase “pro-life” without irony.

    Words matter, folks. Wake the fuck up.

  48. 48.

    jl

    May 9, 2019 at 11:51 pm

    @Aleta: Thanks for posting that. I have no clue how corrupt the Ohio Supreme Court is though. If the Ohio legislature goes ahead, I guess only good thing is that it will publicize the fact that these vicious nuts plan to after almost all contraception as well as abortion.

    Oh… another good thing is that apparently, from AL’s link, the Ohio legislature has a miracle cure for ectopic pregnancy. These reactionary GOPers are geniuses. Their law says there is an easy peasy to turn that into a normal birth…. they are scientific geniuses, geniuses I tell you.

  49. 49.

    joel hanes

    May 10, 2019 at 12:00 am

    So when you say banning abortion is for the sake of “religious liberty,” be damn sure to clarify you’re talking about Christianity.

    Should put “Christianity” in scare quotes, because opposition to abortion cannot be found in Jesus’s teachings, and was not a tenet of evangelical Protestants in the US until the late 1970s. Prior to that, even the Southern Baptists recognized that a first-trimester fetus was not a human being with rights. Opposition to abortion was adopted as a _political_ strategy to weld evangelicals and Catholics into a voting bloc that would support Republicanism. This was an explicit deal between Republican operative and money man Paul Weyrich and televangelist Jerry Falwell when the two of them founded the so-called Moral Majority in 1979, as a political organization.

    Roman Catholicism went through a similiar doctrinal change.
    Augustine believed that an early abortion is not murder because, according to the Aristotelian concept of delayed ensoulment, the soul of a fetus at an early stage is not present, a belief that passed into canon law. Nonetheless, he harshly condemned the procedure: “Sometimes, indeed, this lustful cruelty, or if you please, cruel lust, resorts to such extravagant methods as to use poisonous drugs to secure barrenness; or else, if unsuccessful in this, to destroy the conceived seed by some means previous to birth, preferring that its offspring should rather perish than receive vitality; or if it was advancing to life within the womb, should be slain before it was born.”(De Nube et Concupiscentia 1.17
    Thomas Aquinas, Pope Innocent III, and Pope Gregory XIV also believed that a fetus does not have a soul until “quickening,” or when the fetus begins to kick and move, and therefore early abortion was not murder, though later abortion was

  50. 50.

    John Revolta

    May 10, 2019 at 12:05 am

    @Ohio Mom: Okay. But this brings up another question: how do they know
    (legally) when your last period was unless you tell them?

  51. 51.

    Glidwrith

    May 10, 2019 at 12:12 am

    @John Revolta: Because the nice doctor will pat the oven on the head and assure it that they know when the oven was turned on.

  52. 52.

    romeo24

    May 10, 2019 at 12:20 am

    @smintheus: Exactly. Every one of our cells holds the potential of life. It’s a ridiculous argument.

  53. 53.

    Dan B

    May 10, 2019 at 12:35 am

    Horrible legislation. And these kids will be born into a world where climate chaos is their everyday experience. Fixing the wrong (non) problem.

    Question: If the Supremes rule against Roe will make it illegal in states that maintain legal rights to abortion?

  54. 54.

    Cacti

    May 10, 2019 at 12:39 am

    Looks like we’re dividing back into free states and slave states.

    Next, you’ll see right wing theocrats try to criminalize out of state travel to obtain an abortion.

  55. 55.

    romeo24

    May 10, 2019 at 12:43 am

    @Cacti: Looks like the Georgia legislation has that covered…

  56. 56.

    TS (the original)

    May 10, 2019 at 12:49 am

    @debbie:

    The governor is very pro-life

    I would rewrite that as the governor is very anti-choice for women. Pro life means you care about people. The governor only cares about life, pre birth.

  57. 57.

    Jay

    May 10, 2019 at 12:51 am

    @Cacti:
    @romeo24:

    The trick is to come up to Canada, the abortion and medical care is free,

    And the forced birtherism gives them lots of grounds for an asylum claim.

    Send us your women, yearning to be free,…..

  58. 58.

    Jackie

    May 10, 2019 at 12:53 am

    Back in “my day,” Dr’s didn’t even test for potential pregnancy until we missed two periods – and, then it was iffy. The rabbit had to die to be sure.

  59. 59.

    Cacti

    May 10, 2019 at 12:55 am

    @romeo24:

    I just saw that. Wow.

    But if this law actually takes effect, I think the odds of women in those circumstances returning to Georgia for prosecution would be about as likely as runaway slaves coming back to the plantation in the early 1800s.

  60. 60.

    Sally

    May 10, 2019 at 12:56 am

    Perhaps when any man’s sexual activity results in the fertilisation of an ovum, he immediately becomes responsible for 50% of all costs of that pregnancy and the care of any resulting person/s. With concomitant conditions on rights of access depending on the situation and the wishes of the person carrying the fertilised ovum. If it doesn’t suit a man to be responsible for a pregnancy, keep your pants on. Party of Personal Responsibility should be in complete agreement.

  61. 61.

    Bonnie

    May 10, 2019 at 12:57 am

    If you are going to punish people for an abortion, it is only right that the man be held equally responsible as the woman. After all, it’s been a long time since there was immaculate conception. My experience in the 60s and 70s was that the majority of the women I knew who had abortions were doing so because the father of the baby told the woman that it was her problem. Get along best you can; but, leave me out–they would say. Thus, if a woman is charged with whatever for having an abortion; so should the father of that baby. In these days of DNA, it can be determined easily who the father is.

  62. 62.

    romeo24

    May 10, 2019 at 12:59 am

    @Jackie: It seems that many clinics won’t even see you before 8 weeks. So 2 weeks after you can no longer get an abortion if these laws come into effect.

  63. 63.

    Cacti

    May 10, 2019 at 1:01 am

    The Slate article did raise some thorny Constitutional issues for the Georgia law, apart from the abortion issue.

    By making every fetus a legal person with independent rights, that means the fetus of any pregnant female inmate is being imprisoned by the state without due process of law.

  64. 64.

    John Revolta

    May 10, 2019 at 1:05 am

    @Dan B: Pre-Roe, it was up to the individual states to decide.
    I presume it would go back to that. For awhile anyway.

  65. 65.

    Jackie

    May 10, 2019 at 1:06 am

    @romeo24: I know. It’s crazy. If only the laws would change to include the sperm being co-responsible.

  66. 66.

    SFAW

    May 10, 2019 at 1:09 am

    @eemom:

    You lose me when you comment on this issue and use the phrase “pro-life” without irony.

    No shit. I’m tired of hearing those evil fucks referred to as “pro-life.” They’re anti-choice, they’re pro-slavery (which I expect a goodly number are A-OK with), they’re forced birthers, but they ain’t “pro-life.”

    As I’ve been saying for too fucking long: Gilead, here we come.

  67. 67.

    Cacti

    May 10, 2019 at 1:12 am

    I also can’t imagine that any blue state would honor an extradition request from Georgia for a woman who had terminated her pregnancy outside of its borders.

    ETA: On the contrary. I could see blue states passing laws prohibiting any state or local law enforcement agency from cooperating with an extradition request under an anti-abortion statute.

  68. 68.

    Ruckus

    May 10, 2019 at 1:19 am

    @Sally:

    Party of Personal Responsibility should be in complete agreement.

    They should, but they won’t. Because if they were that party they would have kept their pants on long ago. How many of them has Michel Cohen gotten out of responsibility for their shitty irresponsibles? They are the party of we get to do whatever the fuck we want, whenever the fuck we want.

  69. 69.

    Ruckus

    May 10, 2019 at 1:26 am

    @Bonnie:
    Men 50% responsible for pregnancy? Now that’s a novel idea. That’s about 2000 yrs over due.
    I can’t imagine that there is a conservative alive that would think that is a good idea. I’d bet a number of liberal men wouldn’t approve either.
    Which is more proof that it is a great idea.

  70. 70.

    Raoul

    May 10, 2019 at 1:33 am

    In the 80s at the UU congregation in Westport, CT, the minister preached a sermon about how his wife and he were active in the Clergy Consultation Service, a group of religiously liberal folks risked arrest and jail by helping women in states like Massachusetts get referrals and transportation out of the state for abortions and reproductive care.

    Bold people, doing what they believed was just, and breaking unjust laws to do it. It has stuck with me, the stories he told of women trying ‘home remedies’ and seeing ‘providers’ who did little or no sanitation and how often women died or were rendered sterile.

    It is really shocking that we are here. But the generations who suffered under highly restrictive laws are aging or gone, and the decades of wearing people down with the anti-abortion (but also anti-care, anti-women, anti-human-agency, anti-freedom) zealots and their all-too-well-funded crusade (note: Jesus never spoke on abortion, that we know of. If said man existed. But I digress).

    This is time #4,762 in “It may have to get worse before it gets better.” I don’t like this list at all!

  71. 71.

    mrmoshpotato

    May 10, 2019 at 1:45 am

    It’s 2019, and whole states need to be punched in the dick.

    It’s been said before but bears repeating – If men had any chance of getting pregnant, you wouldn’t be able to spit without hitting an abortion clinic.

    *sigh*

    *sigh*

  72. 72.

    Mart

    May 10, 2019 at 2:00 am

    @Cheryl Rofer: They include rape and incest cause the dirty women will otherwise lie about how they were impregnated to get a legal abortion. It is part of their playbook.

  73. 73.

    cs

    May 10, 2019 at 2:02 am

    Conservative men violently oppose any law which imposes the slightest inconvenience. Even when the inconvenience would save the lives of the children they supposedly value. There’s no doubt they’d never oppose abortion if they themselves could get pregnant.

    And apparently the conservatives, once again, didn’t think the legal considerations all the way through…

    https://twitter.com/carlissc/status/1126441510063542272

  74. 74.

    debbie

    May 10, 2019 at 7:26 am

    @eemom:

    Fuck you. It’s your problem you can’t see the irony in my words. Believe me, I feel it.

  75. 75.

    chris

    May 10, 2019 at 8:17 am

    @debbie: Thank you.

  76. 76.

    Sab

    May 10, 2019 at 8:47 am

    @debbie: Thank you also

  77. 77.

    Ksmiami

    May 10, 2019 at 9:08 am

    Defund the red states. Lobby Every corporation to abandon them. Play fucking hardball and make Amazon the federal government- technology will cause our aging government to collapse anyway.

  78. 78.

    J R in WV

    May 10, 2019 at 11:38 am

    @Zelma:

    Isn’t Pepsico based in Georgia? How about boycotting their products.

    NO… Pepsi is based in New York, Coke is from Atlanta. Don’t boycott the wrong companies!! Do a Google of other web search, it only takes seconds if you already know how to type.

  79. 79.

    Jess

    May 10, 2019 at 12:29 pm

    Here’s good question to ask anti-abortion folks: If it turns out that you are the one perfect potential kidney donor for someone who will otherwise die without it, should it be illegal for you to refuse to give up your kidney? Of course not, because it’s YOUR body, and you get to say how it will be used. Are you a murderer if you refuse to give your kidney? Maybe, but that’s for YOU to decide, not the state. Body autonomy–it’s a thing.

  80. 80.

    eemom

    May 10, 2019 at 1:32 pm

    @debbie:

    Fuck you right back, sweetie. Reading is not mind reading. If adding ” ” around the words (as Cheryl did) is too much effort for you, then you are part of the fucking problem.

  81. 81.

    debbie

    May 10, 2019 at 3:38 pm

    @eemom:

    Be sure to “alert” me when you publish your autocratic “rules” of writing.

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