Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Let me file that under fuck it.

There’s always a light at the end of the frog.

Trump’s legal defense is going to be a dumpster fire inside a clown car on a derailing train.

Israel is using food as a weapon of war. Unforgivable.

Not all heroes wear capes.

There are more Russians standing up to Putin than Republicans.

This blog will pay for itself.

The arc of the moral universe doesn’t bend itself. it’s up to us.

‘Museums aren’t America’s attic for its racist shit.’

Bark louder, little dog.

…and a burning sense of injustice to juice the soul.

The most dangerous place for a black man in America is in a white man’s imagination.

Don’t expect peaches from an apple tree.

Let’s finish the job.

Never give a known liar the benefit of the doubt.

I’d hate to be the candidate who lost to this guy.

Anyone who bans teaching American history has no right to shape America’s future.

You can’t attract Republican voters. You can only out organize them.

I’d like to think you all would remain faithful to me if i ever tried to have some of you killed.

Conservatism: there are people the law protects but does not bind and others who the law binds but does not protect.

You don’t get rid of your umbrella while it’s still raining.

Ah, the different things are different argument.

The rest of the comments were smacking Boebert like she was a piñata.

You don’t get to peddle hatred on saturday and offer condolences on sunday.

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They should have given it a different name. Who the fuck would watch an interview called “President Trump: 30 Hours”? Just reading those words makes me want to reverse-engineer a shop-vac so I can shotgun a quart of bourbon. [Oliver Willis at ShareBlue]

Americans would rather watch ‘Family Feud’ than Trump’s unhinged interview

ABC’s primetime special featuring Trump was a ratings flop.

“President Donald Trump’s much-teased interview with ABC was not the ratings bonanza the numbers-obsessed president likely would have wanted,” Politico noted on Monday.

The program, which featured ABC News anchor George Stephanopoulos following Trump for 30 hours, came in third place during it’s time slot on Sunday night, behind the U.S. Open on Fox and “60 Minutes” on CBS…

Trump’s special attracted 3.91 million viewers, far below the 6 million viewers ABC attracted in the same time slot a week ago with “Celebrity Family Feud,” hosted by comedian Steve Harvey.

A friend once produced a local news show that got lower ratings on Christmas than the public access version of the Yule log (a program featuring a single camera on a log in a fireplace with Christmas music playing in the background). This is worse.

Maybe Trump could try the kitty cat filter. (H/T: valued commenter Trollhattan.)

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  4. 4.

    debbie

    I didn’t know it was on, but wouldn’t have watched anyway. How George stuck it out for 30 hours is beyond me.

  6. 6.

    Yutsano

    @germy: Someone needs to get his definition of socialism. It’s not just “what liberals want” on a loop.

  7. 7.

    germy

    My favorite part was when he interrupted the proceedings because someone coughed. And then he kept complaining about the coughing later in the interview.

  11. 11.

    gene108

    Is there anything Trump will say in an interview that at some point he hasn’t blurted out on Twitter or at some sort of press gathering, when he’s about to board a helicopter or limo?

    His act has become stale.

    We need a new President to freshen up the country.

  12. 12.

    Brachiator

    Trump’s special attracted 3.91 million viewers, far below the 6 million viewers ABC attracted in the same time slot a week ago with “Celebrity Family Feud,” hosted by comedian Steve Harvey.

    Oh, hell. Don’t give Trump any ideas. Imagine Celebrity Family Feud with Trump, Donald Jr, Eric, Ivanka and Melania on one team. Going up against the McCains.

    So glad to hear his special bombed. I didn’t even know when it was scheduled.

  14. 14.

    jl

    I was thinking that a celebrity Family Feud episode with the Trumps in it would be fun. But from this news, I guess Family Feud will never go for it. Would hurt their ratings.

    @Brachiator: You beat me to that both hilarious and disgusting idea.

    Edit: Trump and Pence families might be a bigger hoot, though. But OTOH, Meghan holding off the entire Trump family while complaining how unfair it all was might be fun too.

  16. 16.

    TenguPhule

    @Brachiator:

    Imagine Celebrity Family Feud with Trump, Donald Jr, Eric, Ivanka and Melania on one team. Going up against the McCains.

    Is there a timed demolitions charge set on both buzzers?

  18. 18.

    Betty Cracker

    @TenguPhule: If the local Democrats are crafty, they’re secretly funding a camo-wearing crackpot to run against McConnell on an anti-establishment platform in the primary, then go third party in the general. It’s worth a shot!

  20. 20.

    misterpuff

    If they used the cat filter, Drumpf would have to grab himself

    …..with his tiny paws.

  22. 22.

    gene108

    @germy:

    Democrats need to somehow flood the media, with how corrupt “cocaine” Mitch is, along with his wife.

    The only way to get a state, with predominantly Republican voters, to vote for a Democrat, is for the Republican candidate to be embroiled in some sort of scandal.

    Gingrich ginning up petty scandals of powerful Democrats – I think abuse of postal privileges was one – helped flip the House. McConnell’s a helluva lot more corrupt than that.

  24. 24.

    Betty Cracker

    @gene108: That’s why I’m pretty sure we’ll win in 2020. Not because we (as a country) are better than Trump. Not because our candidate — whoever it is — will be smarter and have better plans, though she most definitely will. We’ll win because people are sick of the bloated bag of cat shit and will want to change the damned channel already.

  25. 25.

    AnotherBruce

    I think that Mitch just came up with the scary word “socialism” instead of acknowledging the scary brown people that live in DC and Puerto Rico.

  26. 26.

    Cacti

    Didn’t SNL do a spoof Celebrity Family Feud with the Trumps that went something like:

    Don, Jr.: “I’m Don, Jr., da brains.”

    Ivanka: “I’m Ivanka, the beauty.”

    Eric: “I’m Eric.”

  27. 27.

    PPCLI

    @germy: The founding fathers had a word for “taxation without representation”, and it wasn’t “socialism”.

  30. 30.

    Martin

    @AnotherBruce: White supremacists have been calling race integration ‘socialism’ or ‘communism’ since the 50s – the redistribution of social capital. Mitch is just keeping the ‘Obama is the antichrist’ playbook going a bit longer.

  31. 31.

    Martin

    OT, I like this French team, but they really need to get some fucking practice at shots on goal.

  34. 34.

    trollhattan

    @Martin:
    Yup, not a good attempt at all. But a do-over from keeper screwup and Nigeria now go with ten the rest of the way. Weird game.

    ETA, and there’s the match.

  35. 35.

    Martin

    @trollhattan: Not just the penalty kick, but the whole game. They’re making opportunities and then just can’t get a decent shot off.

    (Feels really awkward for them to refer to the team composition as ‘ten men’)

  36. 36.

    trollhattan

    @Martin:
    Nigeria doing a lot better against France than Korea did, who were barely a speedbump but today they’re testing Norway for everything they’re worth.

    Predicting soccer outcomes is a fool’s pursuit.

  37. 37.

    BR

    @Betty Cracker:

    I would like to agree with you, but for this, which is something I think needs to be heeded:

    I think Democrats are vastly underestimating the ways a corrupt and lawless president can use the powers of the presidency itself to cheat in an election.— Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) June 14, 2019

  38. 38.

    hells littlest angel

    I’m waiting for it to come out on DVD. Rumor has it the gag reel will actually make you gag.

  39. 39.

    Searcher

    On the topic of difficult interviews, I learned today that it was apparently extremely difficult to interview Mister Rogers … because he was too nice, and would spend most of the interview asking about you, displaying his trademark genuine, non-judgmental interest in you.

  40. 40.

    NotMax

    reverse-engineer a shop-vac so I can shotgun a quart of bourbon

    At one time a group of use sharing digs had free access to one of those soda fountain bubblers and decided to fill it with bourbon and water.

    After running long enough, the drinkies became carbonated.

  41. 41.

    chris

    @Betty Cracker: Those ~100,000,000 people who didn’t vote last time? A lot of… well, some of them have got to be watching in horror. Here’s hoping they turn out in droves.

  42. 42.

    Mike in NC

    ABC’s primetime special featuring Trump was a ratings flop.

    This will drive him apeshit because that reality TV game show host and stone cold loser is obsessed with ratings.

  46. 46.

    Betty Cracker

    @BR: Trust me when I tell you I am not in the least bit complacent. I was 100% wrong last time, and I could be this time too, and the thought that the prick could cheat his way to reelection haunts my dreams. My sense is enough people are sick of the buffoon to kick his ass to the curb, but I’m definitely not taking it for granted!

  47. 47.

    jc

    Assuming Trump’s poll numbers continue to slide over the next year, it will be interesting to see what insane acts he’ll stoop to in order to dominate the headlines. I don’t think there are any outrageous, traitorous criminal acts that are off the table.

  48. 48.

    geg6

    BWAHAHAHAHAHA! He lost to Steve fucking Harvey?!?!?!?! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! The black guy beat him. Gotta be killing him.

  50. 50.

    Betty Cracker

    @debbie: Ha! What an incredibly hideous dress! Looks like she’s wearing a coffin liner!

    My favorite sight gag along those lines are photos of Obama and Trump in white tie at Buckingham Palace with the caption: “What it looks like online vs. what it looks like on you” or something like that.

  51. 51.

    trollhattan

    @NotMax:
    The rear admiral just jettisoned from the the Naval War College kept a margarita dispenser in his office. Fajita Fridays were the best!

  52. 52.

    cckids

    @jl:

    I was thinking that a celebrity Family Feud episode with the Trumps in it would be fun.

    Trumps vs Obamas. They’d have to stop the show because of the mercy rule.

  53. 53.

    Hoodie

    No doubt 30 hours with Trump would be just about anyone’s version of hell, but he did make one slip regarding receiving stolen property. His initial response to Stephanopous was “I guess you would do both.” That’s actually an ok answer, i.e., you can keep the “oppo research” but let the FBI know that Russians seem to be trying to recruit you. It begs the question, why the fuck didn’t you do that? The problem is that Trump didn’t call the FBI because he would reasonably believe that the info the Russians were offering was fabricated or distorted, i.e., not true. Telling the FBI would risk them coming back and saying the info is fabricated. The disgusting thing is not just that Trump would peddle info gained from Russians, but he would willingly peddle what he suspected was Russian misinformation. George dropped the ball on that. Trump quickly recognized his mistake and tried to redirect to keep those questions from coming up.

  55. 55.

    NotMax

    following Trump for 30 hours

    Presumably George S. required a 40 hour shower afterwards. //

  56. 56.

    James E Powell

    @BR:

    That’s why I think impeachment investigations are necessary. Trump & the Republicans need to be playing defense for the next year and a half.

    @jc:

    Interesting = bad, very bad.

  57. 57.

    BR

    @Betty Cracker:

    Makes sense. I think the key will be to target paper-ballot-using swing states that are “tipping point states” (that when individually combined with safe states produce 270+ EC votes). That way there’s at least one state where the vote can’t be rigged. Looking at the Verified Voting map, it looks bad:

    https://www.verifiedvoting.org/verifier/

    Looks like the main target states need to be Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Iowa, Arizona, and North Carolina. Pennsylvania is a big risk because most of it seems to be without a paper trail. But it also seems to have swung hard back to Dems according to the polling so with enough effort it will be hard to cheat there. That plus any of the other 4 would yield 270.

  58. 58.

    MisterForkbeard

    @Mike in NC: Trump won’t be bothered by this at all. He’ll just blame it on “failing ABC” and their inability to sufficiently suck up to him.

  60. 60.

    James E Powell

    I’d like to see ABC put together an interview show – call it The Liberals – featuring Barack & Michelle Obama, Bill & Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Run it in the same time slot.

    I double dog dare them to do it.

  63. 63.

    C Stars

    I’m seeing a lot of stories about Trump coughing during the interview, etc etc, but this caught my eye at the bottom of CNN’s front page:

    Supreme Court hands Democrats a win in Virginia racial gerrymander case

    This is good news, right? I have been steeling myself for the SC to hand every election ever in the future of the country over to the GOP, so I suppose it came as a nice surprise. Although the census question will still be a shitshow…

  65. 65.

    The Dangerman

    @Betty Cracker:

    We’ll win because people are sick of the bloated bag of cat shit and will want to change the damned channel already.

    Trump’s “look at me be a dick” tactics have been worn out; short of a war or him divorcing Melania for a porn star, no one cares about him enough to care about him. His sell by date is done.

  70. 70.

    Immanentize

    In the world of really OT — does anyone have an Away suitcase? I need a new one and I heard from a friend they are good. But Jim is not the best reporter….

  71. 71.

    MisterForkbeard

    @Immanentize: If they had to actually engage on the merits of the case they’d have to provide additional anti-gerrymandering precedents – the evidence in this case was particularly bad.

    This was, they give up a few seats on NC but don’t have to actually address gerrymandering at all.

  72. 72.

    randy khan

    @Brachiator:

    Imagine Celebrity Family Feud with Trump, Donald Jr, Eric, Ivanka and Melania on one team. Going up against the McCains.

    I’d watch that. Or the Clintons, who’d undoubtedly clean their clocks.

  75. 75.

    lamh36

    @NBCNews
    Follow Follow @NBCNews
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    Parkland survivor Kyle Kashuv says Harvard rescinded offer over “offensive” comments, according to a copy of letter that Kashuv posted on Twitter.

    @NYCNavid
    Follow Follow @NYCNavid
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    If I was President Obama, I would call Harvard to resolve @KyleKashuv’s admission. Such an act of kindness would embolden Obama’s image as a moral leader and a peace maker. cc: @davidaxelrod

    Dafuq he shoud…

  76. 76.

    Immanentize

    @Yutsano:
    I agree. Completely.

    I am working with people closer to that world, but I gotta tell you, everyone is just holding onto their own privates working as hard as possible not to let things get worse. There doesn’t seem to be any real organization around such an effort. Maybe there is, but it is very much on the down low.

  79. 79.

    MisterForkbeard

    @lamh36: Didn’t Kashuv also post a map of his school so people could know where to ‘kill the jews’? Haven’t seen that reported on outside of social media so maybe it’s wrong.

    Still, the idea that this kind definitely deserves a spot at Harvard is white privilege on its own. There are TONS of equally qualified people out there, Harvard can pick one that didn’t post a bunch of really racist shit online.

    And yes, I’m sympathetic to the idea that teenagers don’t get punished forever for things they did. I said a lot of stupid stuff myself. But maybe don’t do it in a public space or think that you’re definitely entitled to a spot at one of the top colleges in the country. He hasn’t even apologized yet, IIRC – just acknowledged that he said it.

  80. 80.

    Immanentize

    @MisterForkbeard:

    the evidence in this case was particularly bad.

    This is the key — also, they are starting a process of winnowing who might bring a case in the future. Standing is a Stern Taskmaster. And if they ever did settle on a partisan gerrymander standard, effort number one would be to limit the number of challenges.

    Supreme Court Justices are complex folks. For all of Thomas’ nutty and harmful ideas, including his opposition to affirmative action (of which he is the undisputed beneficiary) — he really hates an overt race-based voting rights violation.

  81. 81.

    lamh36

    @WhipClyburn
    Following Following @WhipClyburn
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    Today marks the 4th anniversary of the devastating tragedy that was the Emanuel AME Church shooting.

    While we offer our thoughts and prayers to the families and victims of that day, we also ought to be taking action.

    The House has acted. It’s the Senate’s turn.
    https://twitter.com/WhipClyburn/status/1140606767249985537

  82. 82.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @Mike in NC:

    This will drive him apeshit because that reality TV game show host and stone cold loser is obsessed with ratings.

    It should, the Olds who would be watching TV at 7:00pm are his base and if they can’t be bothered that is a bad sign for him in 2020/

  84. 84.

    Immanentize

    @debbie: People who sell luggage apparently.

    Their idea is a good one — better luggage cheaper. I have a Samsonite breaking down. To replace it costs the same as an Away without battery

  85. 85.

    Immanentize

    @rikyrah: @MisterForkbeard:
    His tweets/texts were off the fucking rails. Not only did he text the “n” word repeatedly, in caps, Harvard could have cut him for his offensive misogyny alone. It wasn’t free speech, it was violent white guy speech. Kav and Squee talk.

  86. 86.

    Luciamia

    Well, Betty, to be fair. Who can compete with the Yule Log?n

    Anyways, who’s Trump gonna fire over these numbers?

  87. 87.

    FlipYrWhig

    Could Steve Beshear give McConnell a run for his money? I know that Phil Bredesen didn’t work out against nutter Marsha Blackburn in neighboring Tennessee but it was a solid idea…

  88. 88.

    lamh36

    Sigh…please tell me Mayor Pete pushed back strongly…the notion that Black folk are too homophobic to vote for a gay candidate in not supported by any measure.

    Besides which…Black folk do have an LGTBQ community. It’s a streotype that too many folks state as fact to damn much.

    @Mediaite
    Follow Follow @Mediaite
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    Chuck Todd Spends Three Minutes Asking Mayor Pete if African-Americans May Be Too Homophobic to Vote For Him
    https://twitter.com/Mediaite/status/1140304890398420993

  89. 89.

    Steeplejack

    @Brachiator:

    Celebrity Family Feud with Trumps vs. Kardashians would be the apex of American pop culture in this accursed timeline.

  90. 90.

    zhena gogolia

    @lamh36:

    I just watched part of a Face the Nation interview with Buttigieg in which the interviewer kept trying to goad him into saying bad things about Biden, Sanders, Harris, and he would not take the bait. I really admire his refusal to let people put words in his mouth. So I’d wait to see his response before getting too upset. The interviewers are just horrible.

  91. 91.

    SFAW

    @Yutsano:

    I’m all good with the myocardial infarction too.

    Or a 16-ton weight falling on him. Or a pointed stick. Or the earth selectively opening up and swallowing him. Or Shitgibbon dropped on him from 20 stories up. Or his head a-sploding. Or “Doctor” Rand Paul performing eye surgery on him with a pointed stick [“Forget the bleedin’ pointed stick!”] and a hammer. Or Thanos snapping his fingers VERY selectively.

    and so on.

  92. 92.

    Cheryl Rofer

    That’s 50% in favor of impeachment, 48% against.

  93. 93.

    lamh36

    @zhena gogolia: from the article on air, he avoided the incorrect assertion about AA being too homophobic to vote for him but talked about outreach and such.

    I’d like for him to have pushed back at the notion. AA are no more homophobic than any other minority group…for Todd to say that homphobia is the reason for AA not being into Pete is bullshit stereotyping and I just wish Pete had pushed back directly on THAT assertion.

  94. 94.

    Redshift

    @debbie:

    I saw that! I can’t believe his fashion maven of a daughter didn’t insist the tux get alterations

    I don’t think anyone who’s remained in his good grades for that long “insists” he do anything. Here’s surrounded himself with yes-men his entire life. If be willing to bet Jared & Ivanka’s main job as “advisors” is to agree with everything he says and tell him he’s brilliant, and when he inevitably face-plants, agree about whoever he decides is to blame.

  96. 96.

    Betty Cracker

    @lamh36: As long as I live, I’ll never forget President Obama singing “Amazing Grace” at that service. It was the most moving and, well, graceful thing I’ve ever seen a politician do.

  98. 98.

    OzarkHillbilly

    Dawg dammit, flood warnings all over the dawg damned place and I can’t get hold of my wife to tell her, “Come straight home, you can take your daughter the eggs tomorrow.” while it rains at a rate of 5 inches per hour.

    Technologically is way over rated.

  103. 103.

    germy

    One thing I noticed watching the ABC trump interview: He doesn’t wear seatbelts.

  104. 104.

    Sure Lurkalot

    @FlipYrWhig: Beshear created one of the finest ACA exchanges, brought access to many who truly needed health care and the good folk of Kentucky voted for a guy who took it all away. I’ve never been to Kentucky and I know no one there but I can only assume despite McConnell’s unpopularity, he will likely be re-elected.

  105. 105.

    sdhays

    Rhetorical Question of the last 2 years: How is it freaking possible that a man such as the ASSet is constantly stressing himself with rage over this and that and he still hasn’t stroked out?

  109. 109.

    randy khan

    @Luciamia:

    Well, Betty, to be fair. Who can compete with the Yule Log?

    Back many years ago, there was a kerfuffle over whether a cable company ought to be able to include a channel that consisted entirely of a camera focused on the fish tank in its office when calculating what it was allowed to charge. (Basically, there was a formula for maximum rates that counted only channels that were activated and had programming, and the argument was that the fish tank channel wasn’t really programming.) It turned out that people really did watch the channel, and it had more viewers than a lot of the other channels on the system.

    And I think the original Yule Log program that ran in New York City on Christmas Day got pretty good ratings.

  113. 113.

    sdhays

    @schrodingers_cat: I also find it tedious. I find it absurd that we’re taking the Mayor of South Bend as a serious candidate for President. Sure, he’s an impressive guy, but running a small city doesn’t prepare you to be President of the United States. There are so many other people who are better qualified running that I just can’t wrap my mind around how this guy is the one getting all this attention.

    Oh wait, that’s right. Our media is filled with bored, vapid morons who prize novelty over all else. Now I get it. (Not saying people who like the Mayor are automatically morons, just the people in the media who are obviously boosting him so they don’t have to discuss the highly qualified ladies running serious campaigns).

  114. 114.

    Cheryl Rofer

    @randy khan: The one I posted is from Fox, so who knows.

    How the questions are phrased can make a big difference, particularly in a fluid situation that the public doesn’t understand well.

  115. 115.

    SFAW

    @TenguPhule:

    So 7% of the public are complete morons?

    Quintuple that, maybe more. Whatever the “registered Republican” number is, basically.

  116. 116.

    Ohio Mom

    @randy khan: I remember the NYC Yule Log. When you live in a thirteen story apartment building, it’s the closest you can get to having a fireplace. But it wasn’t very convincing in black and white.

  118. 118.

    cynthia ackerman

    Lots of interpretations of dipshit.

    Many give him too much credit for complex thought. Having watched him up close and otherwise for going on fifty years, my firm conviction is that he’s total id. “I am dominant, period. Nothing else matters. Not even Ivanka’s tail.”

  119. 119.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @debbie: Everything is fucking down. Either that or I no longer know how to dial a fuckin phone number.

  120. 120.

    Gelfling 545

    @Betty Cracker: All he’s ever had was his shock and entertainment value and that’s old stuff now. Still, I’m waiting for him to announce that he got the best ratings EVER.

  126. 126.

    geg6

    @BR:

    We just our primary here and this election is going to be the last one with electronic machines. Paper ballots, FTW!

  130. 130.

    Immanentize

    @NotMax:
    OMG! I completely forgot that guy. Sort of an authoritarian Mister Rogers. Damn. My home town had a version too — Officer Bill. But he was not a real officer. He was just copying WPIX.

  131. 131.

    J R in WV

    @Betty Cracker:

    As long as I live, I’ll never forget President Obama singing “Amazing Grace” at that service. It was the most moving and, well, graceful thing I’ve ever seen a politician do.

    Quoted for Truth!!! An amazing moment, brought tear to my eyes, I’m not even religious, but so moving!!

  134. 134.

    J R in WV

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Everything is fucking down. Either that or I no longer know how to dial a fuckin phone number.

    Flooding will do that. Once those local switch bujildings are underwater, everyone connected through that switch is out of luck as far as a phone call.

    Since you have an internet connection, maybe email the daughter to tell her to stay there?

  137. 137.

    jk

    @sdhays:

    the people in the media who are obviously boosting him so they don’t have to discuss the highly qualified ladies running serious campaigns

    I agree with you on this point.

    Klobuchar and Gillibrand have gotten totally screwed in terms of media coverage and are clearly more qualified than Mayor Pete. However, If I had to choose between Biden and Mayor Pete, I’d take Mayor Pete in a heartbeat. Biden is an out of touch, uninspiring dope with no gravitas.

  138. 138.

    Vhh

    @jc: Doesn’t look like the Trumpkin Gulf Gambit is gonna allow Mango Mussolini to get AG the dog.

  141. 141.

    CatFacts

    Most of you probably know this, but for anyone considering smart luggage, check to make sure the battery is easily removable. Several airlines won’t take them if the battery can’t be removed.

  143. 143.

    jonas

    @gene108: This doesn’t work as well for Democrats because we don’t have a national cable network dedicated to projecting leftwing propaganda 24/7, amplified by hundreds of left-wing AM talk radio hosts, and then given legitimacy by a bunch of craven MSM editors looking to provide “balance” and “not offend” the Left by “asking questions” that tacitly affirm leftwing talking points.

  145. 145.

    jk

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Biden slobbers over Republicans (Dick Cheney is a swell guy, Fred Upton, a Trump stooge, is a a great guy) and thinks he can charm them through the power of his personality. Biden is a dumbass who’d be a disaster as a nominee.

    Go fuck yourself.

  146. 146.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @Cheryl Rofer: Um, no, actually it’s 55% against removing him from office.

    My guess is that the 7% who want him “impeached but not removed” is mostly GOP kneejerks who figure that could be successfully spun as “exoneration” & get Cheetoh Benito another term. Be careful what you wish for…

  148. 148.

    dww44

    @sdhays: My husband really likes Mayor Pete and he’s not an easily persuadable guy. I don’t question Buddigieg’s training (or anyone else’s for that matter) not since the country elected Donald Trump. Mayo Pete has the brains and the ability. Let’s see how far he makes it.
    r@Uncle Cosmo: Polls matter until they don’t. I’m with Warren on this one (and she was first out of the gate with this) it’s not about anything other than protecting the government, the Constitution, our Democracy. Start the impeachment proceedings now.

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