@dlwchico: It’s from BoingBoing. They like to photoshop republicans eyes and mouths.
I saw the headline yesterday quoted on BoingBoing, and I was going to mention it, but I feared other commenters here would criticize me for it. Glad to see Cole run with it.
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MobiusKlein
@dlwchico: He has Ralph Reed eyes: I don’t know if souls exist, but if they, that man lacks one.
Couldn’t happen to a more deserving shitstain. All the same, I wouldn’t count him out of the primary. Could be a lot of people who love this guy but don’t want to own up to it openly.
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Gin & Tonic
Man, I’m so old I can remember when Boing Boing was an actual printed-on-paper-and-mailed magazine.
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The Moar You Know
Brilliant.
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MattF
I knew a while ago that the Moore family was unusual when I saw that his wife wore two little crucifix earings. Now, I’m merely grateful that there weren’t tiny Jesuses dangling from each cross.
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trollhattan
The “man” is such an over-the-top caricature it’s a challenge to acknowledge that he’s real, wandering among us rather than the lazy invention of a Southern Gothic author. I think he exists to make Jeff Sessions seem normal.
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The Moar You Know
All the same, I wouldn’t count him out of the primary. Could be a lot of people who love this guy but don’t want to own up to it openly.
Alabama voters sure do. He only lost to Jones by 1.5%. He was put on the state Supreme Court twice in spite of every legislative and judicial body in the state saying he wasn’t remotely qualified and abused the shit out of his office every day he was in it.
The guy who can take him out and probably will, although he’s no improvement: Jeff Sessions.
Moore might lose to Jones. Sessions will not. The GOP knows this. Expect to see Moore kneecapped but good if Sessions (or any other Republican) declares.
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The Moar You Know
Also, I doubt he has the ability to “get stuck” in anyone these days, if you know what I mean and I think you do.
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A Ghost To Most
@MattF: Nah. She really wants to wear a noose on each ear.
That Paul Manafort perp walk you’ve all been waiting for. pic.twitter.com/6eu4R84NDq
— Tami Burages (@tburages) June 27, 2019
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Litlebritdifrnt
It should be remembered that Moore is not only a pedophile but is also a racist who allowed many a case questioning Obama’s citizenship to proceed because of course he felt there must be “something” there to remove the Country’s first Black President from office. The Birthers en masse were scrambling to get their cases in front of him because they knew he would be sympathetic.
Enrique Acevedo (@Enrique_Acevedo) Tweeted:
During our interview today @BernieSanders said he doesn’t like the term “detention centers” to describe immigration facilities holding children. I asked what would he call them instead?
“Places were people are not being treated as criminals.” https://t.co/7VrTTptl4rhttps://twitter.com/Enrique_Acevedo/status/1144046672890204160?s=17
AND, THE FOLLOW UP:
Enrique Acevedo (@Enrique_Acevedo) Tweeted:
Senator @BernieSanders told me he would not close these facilities if he became president. “I think we can find descent safe accommodations for those people who are seeking asylum.” https://twitter.com/Enrique_Acevedo/status/1144047304967696384?s=17
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plato
This child molester is not an electoral threat to the dems. Who is/are the other rethug(s) that is running?
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cliosfanboy
@MattF: technically that makes them crosses. It’s a crucifix if jesus is hanging on it. Different theological meaning. :)
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Gin & Tonic
@rikyrah: Sure looks different when he can’t see his colorist every month.
He really thinks he can get the racist vote, doesn’t he.
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The Moar You Know
This child molester is not an electoral threat to the dems.
@plato: The child molester, assuming he is not primaried, still could win against Doug Jones. He only lost by 1.5% last election.
So yes, because Alabama, he is very much an electoral threat to Dems. We cannot afford to lose any more ground in the Senate and odds are very good we will lose this one. So much so that if Moore is not the candidate for the GOP, I’d argue that we shouldn’t spend one red cent in Alabama.
I caught the tail end of “Match Game” with Steve Harvey and after the credits it stated Made in the State of Georgia. I thought Hollywood was going to pull out of there?
There’s Congressman Bradley Byrne, football coach Tommy Tuberville, and Secretary of State John Merrill, to name three. Any of them would be a strong favorite over Jones I think
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Citizen Alan
Honestly, as an Ole Miss grad, I’m most interested in whether Tommy Tubberville has a shot. He’s a Republican, but when he was coaching at Ole Miss, he took a stand in favor of barring the Confederate Flag from football games for which he received death threats for years.
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Butchq
Is, um, “stuck in teens” supposed to one of them there double entendre things?
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Kent
Wait.
I’m actually cheering for Moore to win the primary. Make the GOP own him. Make him part of their national brand. If we have to have a GOP Senator in Congress, let it be Moore so he can go on the morning talk shows and have a camera in his face every time there is some controversal issue. Make him the brand of the party.
Do you folks really think that a Good Ole Boy retired southern millionaire like Tommy Tuberville will ever vote for a SINGLE Democratic priority or SCOTUS nominee? He will just be another old white guy voting lock step with the rest of the southern block of the GOP. Except that he’ll be likeable as the old football coach.
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Groucho48
Ideally, he’d lose in a bruising primary and then run third party. I mean, we can hope.
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jl
ICWUDT should be ISWYDT.
I refuse to use ICWUDT, it is malicious acronym practice and should be outlawed.
But, nice work by BoingBoing. And they pay attention to details, Notice the tongue work in the background. I’ll remind myself to check their stories on Hunter Jr.
Honestly, as an Ole Miss grad, I’m most interested in whether Tommy Tubberville has a shot. He’s a Republican, but when he was coaching at Ole Miss, he took a stand in favor of barring the Confederate Flag from football games for which he received death threats for years.
Right, he’s not a complete toad like Moore. But you also gotta wonder how much that had to do with recruiting black players and not losing the ones you already had. He seems more like the modern southern corporate GOP type who is annoyed by the distractions like the Confederate Flag when there are taxes and regulations to be cut so white businessmen can have more “freedom”
Ideally, he’d lose in a bruising primary and then run third party. I mean, we can hope.
Does Alabama have a “sore loser” law that prohibits this sort of party switching? Some states do. Just wondering. But that would be the ideal scenario.
But if Doug Jones is going to have the ability to pick his opponent you can better believe he is going to pick Moore over Tuberville.
@rikyrah: Wow. Why would Sanders say that? Does he not know that the need for these detention centers, concentration camps, whatever you want to call them, is because of a failed Trumpster policy to commit human rights crimes in order to dissuade asylum seekers? It is a completely failed policy that resulted in a self-created crisis.
I wanted Warren to run in 2016, but backed Sanders because I thought a need for progressive policy advocate in the campaign. But I had doubts about Sanders, wondering whether he was just a slogan machine, and mostly an old progressive crank. He’s gone the wrong direction, IMHO, on several important issues, particularly on impeachment, need for aggressive action to counter reactionary court packing, and now this nonsense.
There are several reasons that these outrageous camps should be closed immediately. Go back to Obama, or even GW Bush, policies and this supposed crisis would disappear in a few weeks (except for the mess of reuniting some of the families).
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scav
@cliosfanboy: Could we bring back rood then as the generic? I think that’s ambiguous to the cross / crucifix distinction. Might as well complexify the current language from both temporal ends!
Be… cause he’s an evil old man with a white nationalist streak?
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trollhattan
@oatler.:
Unless “Not made in Georgia/South Carolina/North Carolina…” appears in the credits don’t expect a boycott scoresheet. In any case, decisions like that made this year can only affect movies that will hit the screen in 2+years.
@rikyrah:
The basic economics of the issue is that an efficient and equitable and sustainable, and stable, public insurance system cannot exist with an under-regulated private insurance system, and an under-regulated corporate medical provider system. Trying to do that would result in two things. First, public system would be forced to pay inflated prices for services, it would kind of float on top of the current private system. Second, private insurers and large corporate providers would cream skim, and sicker, older poorer people would be concentrated in the public system.
Very aggressive powers to negotiate prices for drugs, hospital services, medical equipment, some high skilled specialty outpatient clinics would solve part of the first problem, but would encourage the emergence of a two-tiered medical provider system wherever providers less dependent on public plan for revenue could opt out or minimize exposure to public plan subscribers.
If you had a mandatory uniform basic health plan everyone had to buy, with supplemental private insurance sold on a separate market, aggressive price controls on that mandatory health policy, and enforceable soft price band regulations, and both private and public insurers and providers were legally required to accept all comers, a public-private mixed system would work, as it does in Switzerland and the Netherlands.
But no one is talking about measures aggressive enough against private insurers and large corporate providers to make such a mixed system workable in the US. That omission is a huge gap in the US health policy discussion. My guess is that any politician sympathetic to a mixed system is either ignorant of the economics, or is afraid to take on private insurers or corporate providers on the aggressive measured needed to make the system work. It would be better for the national debates if this huge hole in the public discussion were not there, but in our corrupt system, it probably is not realistic to plug that hole.
There is way to much obsession with how to pay for insurance and bills our current corrupt system pumps out. Australia has the closest thing to proposals for US Medicare for All, Switzerland has mostly private insurance. Both have among the very best results in terms of population health in the world. But spend about 10 to 12 percent of GDP no health care compared to our 17 to 18 percent. How can this be? Because their political systems allowed them to address problems that are not discussed in the US.
Sorry if I did some ‘econsplaining’ there, but I think those are the facts. You can google old Krugman pieces on health care reform for longer analysis.
we’re not going to talk about Warren telling a national audience that she wants to get rid of the private health insurance industry?
Not me. I’m giving her a reasonable amount of time to walk that back before I reach for the bludgeon.
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MisterForkbeard
@jl: I think this is Sanders attempting to finesse the answer and failing miserably.
What he’s trying to say is that we’ll probably still need some kind of center to hold unaccompanied minors and he’s not going to shut down our ability to do so. But he bungled that enormously in a way that makes it look like he’s not sympathetic to them and he keeps making these kinds of mistakes. >_<
This does fly in the face of his wife's assertions from literally yesterday, though.
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jl
@burnspbesq: When you come with your bludgeon, please provide some explanation that addresses the issues I raised in my previous comment.
I think Warren gave the best answer of all them, given the time constraints. We’ll see what she says when she has more time to explain.
The “man” is such an over-the-top caricature it’s a challenge to acknowledge that he’s real, wandering among us rather than the lazy invention of a Southern Gothic author. I think he exists to make Jeff Sessions seem normal.
There is no force on earth short of Trump able to accomplish that.
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Kent
@jl: I tend to think jl is right here. The big question is the transition period. I think some of the other candidates are viewing a public option, or voluntary medicare for all as some sort of interim step to first get everyone covered and then start chipping away at the private insurers through regulation or cost pressure or both.
I also think there will always be a role for private insurance as supplemental to some medicare for all plan. The BIG question will be whether everyone pays for medicare for all and the buys additional supplemental insurance on top of that if they want, or whether people who opt-out of medicare for all are allowed to take their dollars with them into the private insurance market through a tax refund or something.
Anyway, I tend to think Warren knows what she is doing. Perhaps more than any other candidate when it comes to policy. Especially economic policy. And I think no matter what the Dem policy winds up being on healthcare it will beat whatever toxic bile Trump manages to eject.
Thanks rikyrah, a great portrait of the fallen bastard! I turn the description of the link into an actual link, for the link impaired among us.
On that twit thread there were so many people wanting to see the same photo, but with members of the Trump crime family and their cabinet members. I think and hope it will happen sooner than later.
“Places were people are not being treated as criminals.”
Technically true. Criminals are treated BETTER then the victims in the camps.
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jl
@jl: Note that Medicare can coexist and provide good coverage with a private system because the elderly (except for billionaires) in the US are not insurable in a separate insurance market. They have no choice for basic minimum coverage. Supplemental private Medicare plans are sold on a private market, and have (IMHO barely) enough regulation to make them compatible with Medicare. But even there, there are long standing intractable problems from under-regulated private providers. I think the issue of whether Medicare pays true average cost for services cannot be answered with so much local monopoly and price discrimination by large private providers.
Medicaid is a life saver for many people, but it is not on a par with other programs, and i don’t think relying on that alone can get the US to Swiss or Australian world-class levels of population health.
This child molester is not an electoral threat to the dems.
I hate to tell you this. But that is no longer true. We live in the worst possible timeline.
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HRA
@jl:
I am a retired government worker. I had the option to keep my health insurance which I add I paid a part of it working and now as a retiree. I cannot be for anyone who wants to take it away and hope it does not come to getting rid of Trump or voting to lose it.
I went through a lot of fear in not having it and having it before I got back to work.
I may catch up much later if someone does reply. I am on my way out for errands.
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Kent
@TenguPhule: Any white man with a GOP label next to his name who can fog a mirror is an electoral threat to Dems in Alabama. We need to start with that given. The only real question at hand is which of the GOP primary opponents is most beatable. That answer is most certainly Moore.
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Yutsano
@jl: I still think the Australian system of a public backstop that covers everyone in hospital and primary/basic care with a much stronger regulated private industry on top would be a decent model for the US. The real problem is getting around the sticker shock factor, especially considering the American aversion to higher taxes. We’re back in the something still needs to be done territory, and any solution will involve some sort of massive disruption. ACA tried to avoid that too much.
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jl
@Kent: I think a problem with evaluating a candidate’s position is that, because some topics are forbidden to be discussed, we don’t know if they have some policy for a transition to an efficient, equitable and stable system but don’t want to go into details, or they are afraid of, or bought off, by powerful private interests, and will settle for current killing machine and rip-off that is much of US health care. There is a huge difference there, and I don’t know how to tell who is really going which direction.
I think the US can go either Go Australia! or Go Swiss! and have great systems. But I see no public discussion of issues that need to be addressed if we Go Swiss! and get something that works. Until I see that discussion, I am more favorable to Medicare or All proposals that eventually eliminate private coverage, since if we eventually get enough votes for it, enough of public behind it, it is feasible to get done in the US, will Go Swiss! or even Go Netherlands! is not.
Gubernator of California Arnie wanted good health care reform, and the poor naive fool thought the mostly private Dutch system would be a good sell. He set up conferences with small armies of Dutch health experts and clinicians, and industry saw the threat immediately and killed it dead dead dead almost immediately. That kind of thing is a big problems with the idea of improving Obamacare, which did not touch some big problems that need to be solved with US health care system.
I am a retired government worker. I had the option to keep my health insurance which I add I paid a part of it working and now as a retiree. I cannot be for anyone who wants to take it away and hope it does not come to getting rid of Trump or voting to lose it.
I went through a lot of fear in not having it and having it before I got back to work. I may catch up much later if someone does reply. I am on my way out for errands.
This quote is exactly why those candidates who are advocating a public option are probably on more solid ground politically even if Warren has the better theoretical argument on economic grounds. People today like HRA rightly fear the loss of their health plans because the alternative is frankly the abyss. Give 5 or 10 years of a fully functioning public option (medicare if you want it) and people will be much more comfortable walking away from private plans if the public option is working well. But to make that happen will require long years of solid Dem control to avoid the inevitable GOP sabotage and attempts to destroy a public option or make it work poorly.
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jl
@HRA: Do you want to keep your plan because you are afraid that a public replacement would be worse, or because you feel you already paid for that contract and feel the right to keep it? If it is the latter, well, that is what transition periods are for, and what grandfather clauses are for to accommodate special situations. There is no way that the vast majority of the US population had the options you had.
My only comment is that, as a government worker, you probably, while working, were operating in an environment where you got favorable treatment in regards to options for health care as an elderly person, and government bennies and negotiating power replaced the much stronger regulation of private insurance markets needed to provide the benefits you got to the vast majority of people in the US.
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jl
Warren made an important point in the little time she had, which is that most people who have private insurance don’t have serious health problems: they are healthy working age people. Well people who do not need their private insurance for expensive, life-saving, services like their plans far more than those who do. Those who do face all sorts of problems. Medical bankruptcy is still a major problem in the US for example.
I hope Warren can explain better when she has more time.
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Fred Fnord
@Butchq: I think it’s more of a ‘single entendre’.
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Fred Fnord
@Groucho48: Or win in a bruising primary where he is painted as the face of sex offenders everywhere. That would both show the state who he really is and show the country who the Republican party really is.
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jl
@jl: OK, to be fair, Warren didn’t explicitly explain that point, but she referred to it in some brief phrases about sky rocketing premiums, and unexpected expenses for very sick people covered by private plans.
Seems totally ridiculous that our government, and indeed Country, cannot ask a basic question of Citizenship in a very expensive, detailed and important Census, in this case for 2020. I have asked the lawyers if they can delay the Census, no matter how long, until the…..— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 27, 2019
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jl
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Corrupt and reactionary SCOTUS majority told Trump and Trumpsters it was ridiculous that they couldn’t come up with a better BS cover story.
“If I can’t have my rigged census, we won’t have a census at all until there’s a Democrat in the White House!”
Oh no, not that.
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Peale
From what I could tell based on the clips from the debate I’ve heard while running about my errands, Tim Ryan won the debate because he said the Democratic party is coastal elites who need to reconnect with lost blue collar voters. I kind of knew this would be the big take away. I figured the take away would be that Democrats failed somehow by talking about policy positions that would appeal to their voters in their own primary instead of taking positions that would appeal to GOP voters who haven’t voted for them in 40 years.
There’s a guy hitting all the social media feeds of Democratic Politicians pushing Medicare for All.
His son, was $20 short in his monthly Insurance payment, so the Corporation cut him off. With out his insurance, he couldn’t afford his Depression Medications. After 3 months, he couldn’t work, even part time, called it quits. Crazy glued his seatbelt shut, rolled down the windows of his truck, drove it into the river.
20 years old, $20.
AOC pointed out that the Corporation that cut him off, made $80 billion in profits last year.
Were you to move to a Medicare for All option, or a mixed model system, you would save billions, but Wall Street would take a big hit, and you can’t have that.
“Za constitution is just zis piece of paper, you know.”
(The original quote contained ‘Zaphod Beeblebrox’ and ‘guy’ instead of ‘constitution’ and ‘piece of paper’, but the phonetics are stringently maintained!)
“If I can’t have my rigged census, we won’t have a census at all until there’s a Democrat in the White House!”
Oh no, not that
Actually that is the best possible outcome. Every year that passes the country’s demographics tilt more and more Democratic and less and less GOP. I’d happily delay resdistricting for a year or two if it meant better maps for the entire 2020s.
@rikyrah: I saw that booman was overinterpreting her hand-raise last night too. He’s hanging by a thread with his shitty website redesign and shitty opinions.
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Mike G
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dlwchico
Did that picture get edited or are his eyes really black hell pits?
A Ghost To Most
Who is the snake flicking his tongue? Could it be – Satan?
JR
@dlwchico: definitely edited and a variant of this.
germy
@dlwchico: It’s from BoingBoing. They like to photoshop republicans eyes and mouths.
I saw the headline yesterday quoted on BoingBoing, and I was going to mention it, but I feared other commenters here would criticize me for it. Glad to see Cole run with it.
MobiusKlein
@dlwchico: He has Ralph Reed eyes: I don’t know if souls exist, but if they, that man lacks one.
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
Couldn’t happen to a more deserving shitstain. All the same, I wouldn’t count him out of the primary. Could be a lot of people who love this guy but don’t want to own up to it openly.
Gin & Tonic
Man, I’m so old I can remember when Boing Boing was an actual printed-on-paper-and-mailed magazine.
The Moar You Know
Brilliant.
MattF
I knew a while ago that the Moore family was unusual when I saw that his wife wore two little crucifix earings. Now, I’m merely grateful that there weren’t tiny Jesuses dangling from each cross.
trollhattan
The “man” is such an over-the-top caricature it’s a challenge to acknowledge that he’s real, wandering among us rather than the lazy invention of a Southern Gothic author. I think he exists to make Jeff Sessions seem normal.
The Moar You Know
Alabama voters sure do. He only lost to Jones by 1.5%. He was put on the state Supreme Court twice in spite of every legislative and judicial body in the state saying he wasn’t remotely qualified and abused the shit out of his office every day he was in it.
The guy who can take him out and probably will, although he’s no improvement: Jeff Sessions.
Moore might lose to Jones. Sessions will not. The GOP knows this. Expect to see Moore kneecapped but good if Sessions (or any other Republican) declares.
The Moar You Know
Also, I doubt he has the ability to “get stuck” in anyone these days, if you know what I mean and I think you do.
A Ghost To Most
@MattF: Nah. She really wants to wear a noose on each ear.
rikyrah
That Paul Manafort perp walk you’ve all been waiting for. pic.twitter.com/6eu4R84NDq
— Tami Burages (@tburages) June 27, 2019
Litlebritdifrnt
It should be remembered that Moore is not only a pedophile but is also a racist who allowed many a case questioning Obama’s citizenship to proceed because of course he felt there must be “something” there to remove the Country’s first Black President from office. The Birthers en masse were scrambling to get their cases in front of him because they knew he would be sympathetic.
rikyrah
Da phuq ? ?
Enrique Acevedo (@Enrique_Acevedo) Tweeted:
During our interview today @BernieSanders said he doesn’t like the term “detention centers” to describe immigration facilities holding children. I asked what would he call them instead?
“Places were people are not being treated as criminals.” https://t.co/7VrTTptl4r https://twitter.com/Enrique_Acevedo/status/1144046672890204160?s=17
AND, THE FOLLOW UP:
Enrique Acevedo (@Enrique_Acevedo) Tweeted:
Senator @BernieSanders told me he would not close these facilities if he became president. “I think we can find descent safe accommodations for those people who are seeking asylum.” https://twitter.com/Enrique_Acevedo/status/1144047304967696384?s=17
plato
This child molester is not an electoral threat to the dems. Who is/are the other rethug(s) that is running?
cliosfanboy
@MattF: technically that makes them crosses. It’s a crucifix if jesus is hanging on it. Different theological meaning. :)
Gin & Tonic
@rikyrah: Sure looks different when he can’t see his colorist every month.
Can you hear me crying for him?
raven
@Litlebritdifrnt: He was also an MP and fucking officer!
plato
@Litlebritdifrnt: Yup, he is a born asshole racist pos.
Chetan Murthy
@rikyrah:
It reminds me of his insightful comments on the racist police state under which black Americans live their lives.
NY Robbin
@rikyrah:
He really thinks he can get the racist vote, doesn’t he.
The Moar You Know
@plato: The child molester, assuming he is not primaried, still could win against Doug Jones. He only lost by 1.5% last election.
So yes, because Alabama, he is very much an electoral threat to Dems. We cannot afford to lose any more ground in the Senate and odds are very good we will lose this one. So much so that if Moore is not the candidate for the GOP, I’d argue that we shouldn’t spend one red cent in Alabama.
Miss Bianca
@dlwchico: I was wondering the same thing!
Sloane Peterson's knee therapist
“He remains stuck in the teens”
Well, yeah.
oatler.
I caught the tail end of “Match Game” with Steve Harvey and after the credits it stated Made in the State of Georgia. I thought Hollywood was going to pull out of there?
JoeyJoeJoe
@plato:
There’s Congressman Bradley Byrne, football coach Tommy Tuberville, and Secretary of State John Merrill, to name three. Any of them would be a strong favorite over Jones I think
Citizen Alan
Honestly, as an Ole Miss grad, I’m most interested in whether Tommy Tubberville has a shot. He’s a Republican, but when he was coaching at Ole Miss, he took a stand in favor of barring the Confederate Flag from football games for which he received death threats for years.
Butchq
Is, um, “stuck in teens” supposed to one of them there double entendre things?
Kent
Wait.
I’m actually cheering for Moore to win the primary. Make the GOP own him. Make him part of their national brand. If we have to have a GOP Senator in Congress, let it be Moore so he can go on the morning talk shows and have a camera in his face every time there is some controversal issue. Make him the brand of the party.
Do you folks really think that a Good Ole Boy retired southern millionaire like Tommy Tuberville will ever vote for a SINGLE Democratic priority or SCOTUS nominee? He will just be another old white guy voting lock step with the rest of the southern block of the GOP. Except that he’ll be likeable as the old football coach.
Groucho48
Ideally, he’d lose in a bruising primary and then run third party. I mean, we can hope.
jl
ICWUDT should be ISWYDT.
I refuse to use ICWUDT, it is malicious acronym practice and should be outlawed.
But, nice work by BoingBoing. And they pay attention to details, Notice the tongue work in the background. I’ll remind myself to check their stories on Hunter Jr.
Baud
@rikyrah:
Hmm. Wonder how AOC will respond.
jl
@Citizen Alan: Congrats to Tommy Tubberville for taking that stand. From the name, I didn’t expect him to do something like that.
Kent
@Citizen Alan:
Right, he’s not a complete toad like Moore. But you also gotta wonder how much that had to do with recruiting black players and not losing the ones you already had. He seems more like the modern southern corporate GOP type who is annoyed by the distractions like the Confederate Flag when there are taxes and regulations to be cut so white businessmen can have more “freedom”
plato
@JoeyJoeJoe: Yup, that’s what I feared.
raven
@oatler.: So you think “Hollywood” is one thing huh?
Kent
@Groucho48:
Does Alabama have a “sore loser” law that prohibits this sort of party switching? Some states do. Just wondering. But that would be the ideal scenario.
But if Doug Jones is going to have the ability to pick his opponent you can better believe he is going to pick Moore over Tuberville.
rikyrah
So,
we’re not going to talk about Warren telling a national audience that she wants to get rid of the private health insurance industry?
Really?
Miss Bianca
@rikyrah: Phuq that asshole.
jl
@rikyrah: Wow. Why would Sanders say that? Does he not know that the need for these detention centers, concentration camps, whatever you want to call them, is because of a failed Trumpster policy to commit human rights crimes in order to dissuade asylum seekers? It is a completely failed policy that resulted in a self-created crisis.
I wanted Warren to run in 2016, but backed Sanders because I thought a need for progressive policy advocate in the campaign. But I had doubts about Sanders, wondering whether he was just a slogan machine, and mostly an old progressive crank. He’s gone the wrong direction, IMHO, on several important issues, particularly on impeachment, need for aggressive action to counter reactionary court packing, and now this nonsense.
There are several reasons that these outrageous camps should be closed immediately. Go back to Obama, or even GW Bush, policies and this supposed crisis would disappear in a few weeks (except for the mess of reuniting some of the families).
scav
@cliosfanboy: Could we bring back rood then as the generic? I think that’s ambiguous to the cross / crucifix distinction. Might as well complexify the current language from both temporal ends!
Chyron HR
@jl:
Be… cause he’s an evil old man with a white nationalist streak?
trollhattan
@oatler.:
Unless “Not made in Georgia/South Carolina/North Carolina…” appears in the credits don’t expect a boycott scoresheet. In any case, decisions like that made this year can only affect movies that will hit the screen in 2+years.
Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho
@Chyron HR: You got it on the first answer!
jl
@rikyrah:
The basic economics of the issue is that an efficient and equitable and sustainable, and stable, public insurance system cannot exist with an under-regulated private insurance system, and an under-regulated corporate medical provider system. Trying to do that would result in two things. First, public system would be forced to pay inflated prices for services, it would kind of float on top of the current private system. Second, private insurers and large corporate providers would cream skim, and sicker, older poorer people would be concentrated in the public system.
Very aggressive powers to negotiate prices for drugs, hospital services, medical equipment, some high skilled specialty outpatient clinics would solve part of the first problem, but would encourage the emergence of a two-tiered medical provider system wherever providers less dependent on public plan for revenue could opt out or minimize exposure to public plan subscribers.
If you had a mandatory uniform basic health plan everyone had to buy, with supplemental private insurance sold on a separate market, aggressive price controls on that mandatory health policy, and enforceable soft price band regulations, and both private and public insurers and providers were legally required to accept all comers, a public-private mixed system would work, as it does in Switzerland and the Netherlands.
But no one is talking about measures aggressive enough against private insurers and large corporate providers to make such a mixed system workable in the US. That omission is a huge gap in the US health policy discussion. My guess is that any politician sympathetic to a mixed system is either ignorant of the economics, or is afraid to take on private insurers or corporate providers on the aggressive measured needed to make the system work. It would be better for the national debates if this huge hole in the public discussion were not there, but in our corrupt system, it probably is not realistic to plug that hole.
There is way to much obsession with how to pay for insurance and bills our current corrupt system pumps out. Australia has the closest thing to proposals for US Medicare for All, Switzerland has mostly private insurance. Both have among the very best results in terms of population health in the world. But spend about 10 to 12 percent of GDP no health care compared to our 17 to 18 percent. How can this be? Because their political systems allowed them to address problems that are not discussed in the US.
Sorry if I did some ‘econsplaining’ there, but I think those are the facts. You can google old Krugman pieces on health care reform for longer analysis.
burnspbesq
@rikyrah:
Not me. I’m giving her a reasonable amount of time to walk that back before I reach for the bludgeon.
MisterForkbeard
@jl: I think this is Sanders attempting to finesse the answer and failing miserably.
What he’s trying to say is that we’ll probably still need some kind of center to hold unaccompanied minors and he’s not going to shut down our ability to do so. But he bungled that enormously in a way that makes it look like he’s not sympathetic to them and he keeps making these kinds of mistakes. >_<
This does fly in the face of his wife's assertions from literally yesterday, though.
jl
@burnspbesq: When you come with your bludgeon, please provide some explanation that addresses the issues I raised in my previous comment.
I think Warren gave the best answer of all them, given the time constraints. We’ll see what she says when she has more time to explain.
TenguPhule
@trollhattan:
There is no force on earth short of Trump able to accomplish that.
Kent
@jl: I tend to think jl is right here. The big question is the transition period. I think some of the other candidates are viewing a public option, or voluntary medicare for all as some sort of interim step to first get everyone covered and then start chipping away at the private insurers through regulation or cost pressure or both.
I also think there will always be a role for private insurance as supplemental to some medicare for all plan. The BIG question will be whether everyone pays for medicare for all and the buys additional supplemental insurance on top of that if they want, or whether people who opt-out of medicare for all are allowed to take their dollars with them into the private insurance market through a tax refund or something.
Anyway, I tend to think Warren knows what she is doing. Perhaps more than any other candidate when it comes to policy. Especially economic policy. And I think no matter what the Dem policy winds up being on healthcare it will beat whatever toxic bile Trump manages to eject.
J R in WV
@rikyrah:
Thanks rikyrah, a great portrait of the fallen bastard! I turn the description of the link into an actual link, for the link impaired among us.
On that twit thread there were so many people wanting to see the same photo, but with members of the Trump crime family and their cabinet members. I think and hope it will happen sooner than later.
TenguPhule
@rikyrah:
Technically true. Criminals are treated BETTER then the victims in the camps.
jl
@jl: Note that Medicare can coexist and provide good coverage with a private system because the elderly (except for billionaires) in the US are not insurable in a separate insurance market. They have no choice for basic minimum coverage. Supplemental private Medicare plans are sold on a private market, and have (IMHO barely) enough regulation to make them compatible with Medicare. But even there, there are long standing intractable problems from under-regulated private providers. I think the issue of whether Medicare pays true average cost for services cannot be answered with so much local monopoly and price discrimination by large private providers.
Medicaid is a life saver for many people, but it is not on a par with other programs, and i don’t think relying on that alone can get the US to Swiss or Australian world-class levels of population health.
TenguPhule
@plato:
I hate to tell you this. But that is no longer true. We live in the worst possible timeline.
HRA
@jl:
I am a retired government worker. I had the option to keep my health insurance which I add I paid a part of it working and now as a retiree. I cannot be for anyone who wants to take it away and hope it does not come to getting rid of Trump or voting to lose it.
I went through a lot of fear in not having it and having it before I got back to work.
I may catch up much later if someone does reply. I am on my way out for errands.
Kent
@TenguPhule: Any white man with a GOP label next to his name who can fog a mirror is an electoral threat to Dems in Alabama. We need to start with that given. The only real question at hand is which of the GOP primary opponents is most beatable. That answer is most certainly Moore.
Yutsano
@jl: I still think the Australian system of a public backstop that covers everyone in hospital and primary/basic care with a much stronger regulated private industry on top would be a decent model for the US. The real problem is getting around the sticker shock factor, especially considering the American aversion to higher taxes. We’re back in the something still needs to be done territory, and any solution will involve some sort of massive disruption. ACA tried to avoid that too much.
jl
@Kent: I think a problem with evaluating a candidate’s position is that, because some topics are forbidden to be discussed, we don’t know if they have some policy for a transition to an efficient, equitable and stable system but don’t want to go into details, or they are afraid of, or bought off, by powerful private interests, and will settle for current killing machine and rip-off that is much of US health care. There is a huge difference there, and I don’t know how to tell who is really going which direction.
I think the US can go either Go Australia! or Go Swiss! and have great systems. But I see no public discussion of issues that need to be addressed if we Go Swiss! and get something that works. Until I see that discussion, I am more favorable to Medicare or All proposals that eventually eliminate private coverage, since if we eventually get enough votes for it, enough of public behind it, it is feasible to get done in the US, will Go Swiss! or even Go Netherlands! is not.
Gubernator of California Arnie wanted good health care reform, and the poor naive fool thought the mostly private Dutch system would be a good sell. He set up conferences with small armies of Dutch health experts and clinicians, and industry saw the threat immediately and killed it dead dead dead almost immediately. That kind of thing is a big problems with the idea of improving Obamacare, which did not touch some big problems that need to be solved with US health care system.
Baud
@HRA:
Only Congress can make fundamental changes to health care. Don’t fret if our nominee takes an aggressive stance on private insurance.
MattF
@J R in WV: I’ll bet that Roger Stone feels a chill.
chopper
@Sloane Peterson’s knee therapist:
and his polling doesn’t look good either.
Kent
@HRA:
This quote is exactly why those candidates who are advocating a public option are probably on more solid ground politically even if Warren has the better theoretical argument on economic grounds. People today like HRA rightly fear the loss of their health plans because the alternative is frankly the abyss. Give 5 or 10 years of a fully functioning public option (medicare if you want it) and people will be much more comfortable walking away from private plans if the public option is working well. But to make that happen will require long years of solid Dem control to avoid the inevitable GOP sabotage and attempts to destroy a public option or make it work poorly.
jl
@HRA: Do you want to keep your plan because you are afraid that a public replacement would be worse, or because you feel you already paid for that contract and feel the right to keep it? If it is the latter, well, that is what transition periods are for, and what grandfather clauses are for to accommodate special situations. There is no way that the vast majority of the US population had the options you had.
My only comment is that, as a government worker, you probably, while working, were operating in an environment where you got favorable treatment in regards to options for health care as an elderly person, and government bennies and negotiating power replaced the much stronger regulation of private insurance markets needed to provide the benefits you got to the vast majority of people in the US.
jl
Warren made an important point in the little time she had, which is that most people who have private insurance don’t have serious health problems: they are healthy working age people. Well people who do not need their private insurance for expensive, life-saving, services like their plans far more than those who do. Those who do face all sorts of problems. Medical bankruptcy is still a major problem in the US for example.
I hope Warren can explain better when she has more time.
Fred Fnord
@Butchq: I think it’s more of a ‘single entendre’.
Fred Fnord
@Groucho48: Or win in a bruising primary where he is painted as the face of sex offenders everywhere. That would both show the state who he really is and show the country who the Republican party really is.
jl
@jl: OK, to be fair, Warren didn’t explicitly explain that point, but she referred to it in some brief phrases about sky rocketing premiums, and unexpected expenses for very sick people covered by private plans.
Dorothy A. Winsor
jl
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Corrupt and reactionary SCOTUS majority told Trump and Trumpsters it was ridiculous that they couldn’t come up with a better BS cover story.
TenguPhule
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
This will not end peacefully. Or well.
Another Scott
Popehat, from June 22
Ouch!!1
Cheers,
Scott.
Chyron HR
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
“If I can’t have my rigged census, we won’t have a census at all until there’s a Democrat in the White House!”
Oh no, not that.
Peale
From what I could tell based on the clips from the debate I’ve heard while running about my errands, Tim Ryan won the debate because he said the Democratic party is coastal elites who need to reconnect with lost blue collar voters. I kind of knew this would be the big take away. I figured the take away would be that Democrats failed somehow by talking about policy positions that would appeal to their voters in their own primary instead of taking positions that would appeal to GOP voters who haven’t voted for them in 40 years.
Jay
@jl:
I went looking for it, but can’t find it now.
There’s a guy hitting all the social media feeds of Democratic Politicians pushing Medicare for All.
His son, was $20 short in his monthly Insurance payment, so the Corporation cut him off. With out his insurance, he couldn’t afford his Depression Medications. After 3 months, he couldn’t work, even part time, called it quits. Crazy glued his seatbelt shut, rolled down the windows of his truck, drove it into the river.
20 years old, $20.
AOC pointed out that the Corporation that cut him off, made $80 billion in profits last year.
Were you to move to a Medicare for All option, or a mixed model system, you would save billions, but Wall Street would take a big hit, and you can’t have that.
SRW1
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
“Za constitution is just zis piece of paper, you know.”
(The original quote contained ‘Zaphod Beeblebrox’ and ‘guy’ instead of ‘constitution’ and ‘piece of paper’, but the phonetics are stringently maintained!)
Kent
@Chyron HR:
Actually that is the best possible outcome. Every year that passes the country’s demographics tilt more and more Democratic and less and less GOP. I’d happily delay resdistricting for a year or two if it meant better maps for the entire 2020s.
Another Scott
@Jay: https://twitter.com/scottdesno/status/1144290066510045186
The CEO of UnitedHealthcare made $83M; not the company made $80B in profits.
HTH.
Cheers,
Scott.
Matt
If they’ve got a law against being a sore loser, they’ve got a lot of assholes flying Confederate flags who should be in jail.
apocalipstick
@oatler.: Oh yeah, that episode was probably shot earlier that day.
apocalipstick
@HRA:
I do not understand this comment.
matt
@rikyrah: I saw that booman was overinterpreting her hand-raise last night too. He’s hanging by a thread with his shitty website redesign and shitty opinions.
Mike G
MAGA = Molesting Adolescent Girls in Alabama