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You are here: Home / Politics / Domestic Politics / “If you’ve ever wondered what you would have done…”

“If you’ve ever wondered what you would have done…”

by Betty Cracker|  July 1, 20193:33 pm| 133 Comments

This post is in: Domestic Politics, Foreign Affairs, Immigration, Open Threads, Politics, All Too Normal, Assholes, Decline and Fall

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ProPublica published an exposé today on a secret Border Patrol Facebook group that allegedly comprises more than 9,000 agents and former agents. On the page, they giggle over anti-immigrant memes, including one using the image of the Salvadoran father and his two-year-old daughter who recently drowned in the Rio Grande.

I’m not even going to try to describe what ProPublica found, except to say there’s a shitload of cruelty, racism and sexism, and it’s no surprise people with such a mindset would be complicit in running camps where desperate men, women and children are hideously abused. If Facebook had been around in the 1930s/1940s, this is exactly the kind of shit Nazi concentration camp guards would post.

These agencies need to be burned to the ground, the earth where they stood salted over, and curses placed at the sites to keep the evil contained. Yes, we need to be able to control our borders, but surely non-psychopaths can be found to handle the fucking job.

I saw a photo of a guy at a protest recently holding a sign that said, “If you’ve ever wondered what you would have done in Nazi Germany, you’re doing it now.” Truth.

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  1. 1.

    J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford

    July 1, 2019 at 3:39 pm

    It looks like 40% of the country is about a step away from going full Nazi – and I’m being optimistic.

  2. 2.

    The Moar You Know

    July 1, 2019 at 3:39 pm

    Can ICE/CBP be broken up without Congressional approval? I think they can. Weigh in, jackals. I really don’t know. Hope so.

    Can employees of said agency be terminated with a “do not rehire” clause? Much less sure about that, but damn does that need to happen.

  3. 3.

    rikyrah

    July 1, 2019 at 3:41 pm

    ProPublica does terrific work. Thank goodness for them exposing this.

  4. 4.

    lee

    July 1, 2019 at 3:41 pm

    but surely non-psychopaths can be found to handle the fucking job.

    I’m not sure that 1) that is actually the case 2) they want non-psychopaths to work for them.

    I’m pretty sure with the conditions as they are now, a non-psychopath would be able to work there for any length of time.

  5. 5.

    rikyrah

    July 1, 2019 at 3:42 pm

    I saw a photo of a guy at a protest recently holding a sign that said, “If you’ve ever wondered what you would have done in Nazi Germany, you’re doing it now.” Truth.

    Complete truth.

  6. 6.

    rikyrah

    July 1, 2019 at 3:42 pm

    There are 20,000 TOTAL Customs & Border Patrol agents in the US.

    9,500 – almost HALF that number – are in a racist & sexually violent secret CBP Facebook group.

    They’re threatening violence on members of Congress. How do you think they’re treating caged children+families? https://t.co/AfDB50cgHQ

    — Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) July 1, 2019

  7. 7.

    TenguPhule

    July 1, 2019 at 3:42 pm

    These agencies need to be burned to the ground, the earth where they stood salted over, and curses placed at the sites to keep the evil contained.

    I think you mean wards, not curses. Curses are what makes the evil fester.

  8. 8.

    The Moar You Know

    July 1, 2019 at 3:43 pm

    It looks like 40% of the country is about a step away from going full Nazi – and I’m being optimistic.

    @J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford: I think they’ve already gone there. They’d wear swastika armbands if they had the fashion decency to wear collared shirts.

    Sadly, the other 60+/- % of the country that hasn’t doesn’t seem to be too willing to admit that this is, in fact, the reality of the situation.

  9. 9.

    TenguPhule

    July 1, 2019 at 3:43 pm

    @J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford:

    It looks like 40% of the country is about a step away from going full Nazi – and I’m being optimistic.

    You are being optimistic that they’re still a step away.

  10. 10.

    TenguPhule

    July 1, 2019 at 3:44 pm

    @lee:

    , a non-psychopath would be able to work there for any length of time.

    wouldn’t

  11. 11.

    TenguPhule

    July 1, 2019 at 3:45 pm

    @The Moar You Know:

    Can employees of said agency be terminated with a “do not rehire” clause?

    Once Trump gets rid of OPM, President for Life Harris can do whatever she fucking wants to them.

  12. 12.

    TenguPhule

    July 1, 2019 at 3:46 pm

    At this rate I expect a return of the human ass pyramid photos any day now.

    History not only repeats, it rhymes.

  13. 13.

    lumpkin

    July 1, 2019 at 3:47 pm

    Somebody I know who worked in federal law enforcement told me once that there are so many people in law enforcement and incarceration now that there aren’t enough decent, qualified people to fill all the positions. Agencies like CBP and ICE are scraping the bottom of the barrel and these are the sociopaths they end up with.

  14. 14.

    Lapassionara

    July 1, 2019 at 3:47 pm

    I became conscious of the horrors of the holocaust when I was about 8 years old or so. I recall reading books about brave children who hid Jewish children and saved them from the camps. These were likely fiction, but they ingrained in me the idea that I had to be ready to take a stand against fascism if it came. So I don’t know how to take a stand, other than calling my reps, working for sane people to win elective office, and donating to organizations like the ACLU and Raices. But I do know that fascism is here.

  15. 15.

    lee

    July 1, 2019 at 3:50 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    Whoops yeah typo

  16. 16.

    stinger

    July 1, 2019 at 3:54 pm

    Two outstanding posts, Betty Cracker — thank you. You, me, Badger… would at least have enough self-awareness and humility to know what we don’t know, and hire experts. And enough human decency to begin to root out these poisonous, vile specimens.

  17. 17.

    Jager

    July 1, 2019 at 3:56 pm

    An old, retired, Boston Police Sgt once said to me, ‘I can’t imagine where they’re finding all these young assholes to be cops today.” He added, “It all started when we started wearing the flag on our fooking shirts.”

  18. 18.

    Hoodie

    July 1, 2019 at 4:00 pm

    @J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford: 40% is likely an exaggeration. I’d bet it’s more like the magic 27%, but that’s still at an unhealthy level. The CPB and ICE are self-selecting groups, so it’s not surprising that it’s particularly bad in those agencies. You’re also probably seeing the less sadistic ones finding any way they can to get out because the true sadists are probably out and proud with no pushback coming from above. Once a Dem takes office, may be pretty easy to identify them and fire them for cause, e.g., stuff like racist FB posts. I don’t think civil service protections will help them that much there.

  19. 19.

    jc

    July 1, 2019 at 4:00 pm

    “If you’ve ever wondered what you would have done in Nazi Germany, you’re doing it now.”

    No, in Nazi Germany, the authorities would violently shut down “free speech” protests. We’re not there quite yet. If Trump is re-elected, all bets are off. The crude and cruel ICE approach will be the new normal. Having a know-nothing loose-cannon drama-queen president will be the new normal.

  20. 20.

    James E Powell

    July 1, 2019 at 4:00 pm

    This makes me so proud of all the Democratic senators who voted in favor of McConnell’s bill.

  21. 21.

    waspuppet

    July 1, 2019 at 4:02 pm

    Evidently they took particular joy in including AOC in their filth.

  22. 22.

    Jay

    July 1, 2019 at 4:03 pm

    This just broke: a secret Facebook group of 9,500 CBP officers discussed making a GoFundMe for officers to harm myself & Rep. Escobar during our visit to CBP facilities & mocked migrant deaths.This isn’t about “a few bad eggs.” This is a violent culture. https://t.co/SkFwThHElx— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) July 1, 2019

    My bolding added, they are conspiring to attack elected officials.

  23. 23.

    waspuppet

    July 1, 2019 at 4:03 pm

    @jc:

    No, in Nazi Germany, the authorities would violently shut down “free speech” protests. We’re not there quite yet. If Trump is re-elected, all bets are off.

    Actually, let’s see what the July 4th rally brings.

  24. 24.

    Paul T

    July 1, 2019 at 4:05 pm

    The name of the group doesn’t matter. Could be nuclear physicists. They are just stupid white guys.

    The clarion call or slogan or whatever for this upcoming election; “Stop Voting For Stupid White Men.”

    Disclaimer: I’m a white guy. Stupid, I’m not sure. Dunning-Kruger applies!

  25. 25.

    Brachiator

    July 1, 2019 at 4:06 pm

    We see why Trump never criticizes racists and white nationalists. He wants to recruit them for government service.

  26. 26.

    Yutsano

    July 1, 2019 at 4:11 pm

    @Brachiator: One does not critique one’s allies. Especially in public.

  27. 27.

    tobie

    July 1, 2019 at 4:15 pm

    There are going to be nationwide protests tomorrow to Close the Camps. Congress members are on break so the idea is to have constituents turn up at every member’s office to protest Trumps detention policy and inhumane treatment of immigrants. Here’s the link to MoveOn’s event finder:

    https://act.moveon.org/event/close-camps-now_attend/search/

  28. 28.

    Brachiator

    July 1, 2019 at 4:16 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    These agencies need to be burned to the ground, the earth where they stood salted over, and curses placed at the sites to keep the evil contained.

    I think you mean wards, not curses. Curses are what makes the evil fester.

    Balloon Juice, where you come to learn the difference between wards and curses.

    You are exactly right. Warding guards against or provides a containment of curses.

  29. 29.

    Jay

    July 1, 2019 at 4:16 pm

    If you don't think you can draw a direct line from the fascists (like Proud Boys) who harass others & march in the streets to the monsters who are torturing helpless children in government run concentration camps, you're kidding yourself.— Avi Bueno (@Avi_Bueno) June 30, 2019

  30. 30.

    JR

    July 1, 2019 at 4:17 pm

    You will follow us soon! Your house will be beaten down and salt sown in the place where it stood!

    Georges Danton

  31. 31.

    TenguPhule

    July 1, 2019 at 4:18 pm

    @Brachiator: Trump has his brownshirts. So much for “Trump and what army?” They’re working on it.

  32. 32.

    CaseyL

    July 1, 2019 at 4:20 pm

    The problem is that I plain don’t know what to do about this.

    I like the direct action some organizations are engaging in, but I can’t tell if they’re effective in any way.

    I can call my representatives, but if they’re a Democrat they’re already outraged, and if they’re a GOPer they support the camps.

    Tell the public? The public knows and is already outraged, or not interested, or actively supports what’s happening to the kids.

    This is driving me insane with rage and despair.

    (And then you get the oh so delicate Never Trumpers who want to be reassured that the Democratic candidate won’t make them uncomfortable, or they’ll vote for Baron Harkonnen again. Fuck them all with a rusty farm implement.)

  33. 33.

    TenguPhule

    July 1, 2019 at 4:21 pm

    @CaseyL:

    This is driving me insane with rage and despair.

    Come sit by me.

  34. 34.

    Chyron HR

    July 1, 2019 at 4:22 pm

    “Some people think that the people who voted for Trump are racists and sexists and homophobes and deplorable folks. I don’t agree, because I’ve been there.” – Bernard S., Burlington VT

  35. 35.

    Jay

    July 1, 2019 at 4:22 pm

    Hundreds of active and retired police officers and law enforcement personnel are congregating in private Facebook groups where they engage in open racism, Islamophobia, and even lend support to violent, anti-government groups, according to an investigation from nonprofit news organization Reveal, which is run by the US Center for Investigative Reporting.

    After Reveal notified law enforcement agencies, more than 50 departments have reportedly opened internal investigations. In some cases, departments say they’ll be evaluating officers’ online activity to see if it may have influenced past policing conduct. At least one officer has been fired for violating department policies as a result of participating in these groups, some of which bear names like “White Lives Matter” and “Death to Islam Undercover.”

    Reveal reports that the groups contain a full range of right-wing political ideologies, from standard conservativism to far-right initiatives that center around outright racism and Islamophobia. Some go even further: some Facebook groups surveyed by Reveal were associated with anti-government and militia movements, like the Oath Keepers. Reveal says that 150 of the 400 or so officers that it identified as belonging to these groups were part of that more extreme end.

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2019/6/14/18679598/facebook-hate-groups-law-enforcement-police-officers-racism-islamaphobia

  36. 36.

    NotMax

    July 1, 2019 at 4:22 pm

    Finally, a worthwhile use for pink Himalayan salt.

  37. 37.

    TenguPhule

    July 1, 2019 at 4:23 pm

    Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) tweeted that women were being kept in cells with no water and were told “to drink out of the toilets.”

    I want a list of the House Democrats still against impeachment. I think they need to be persuaded to change their minds.

  38. 38.

    Harbison

    July 1, 2019 at 4:23 pm

    “If you’ve ever wondered what you would have done in Nazi Germany, you’re doing it now.” Truth.

    What’s the German for “Posting hyperbolic statements of performative wokeness”?

  39. 39.

    Plato

    July 1, 2019 at 4:32 pm

    @Harbison:

    Racist troll?

  40. 40.

    Jay

    July 1, 2019 at 4:32 pm

    @CaseyL:

    There are Sanctuary Groups,

    There are non-violent public protests,

    There are non-violent public protests blocking ICE/CBD posts with their bodies,

    There are activists vadalizing ICE/CBD vehicles,

    There are online activists doxxing ICE/CBD agents online, ( and Corporate employees) and getting them fired.

    There are a bunch of organizations supporting the Refugees with lawyers, food, shelter, translation services, councelling,

    It’s past time to get active.

  41. 41.

    trollhattan

    July 1, 2019 at 4:33 pm

    @Harbison:

    What’s the German for “Posting hyperbolic statements of performative wokeness”?

    Ich liebe Trump.

  42. 42.

    AnotherBruce

    July 1, 2019 at 4:35 pm

    @Paul T: If you’re aware of what Dunning-Kruger is, you are not stupid. That’s the whole point of Dunning Kruger.

  43. 43.

    trollhattan

    July 1, 2019 at 4:37 pm

    Well, well, well, Trump is getting back to serving his paymasters. Only it’s hard sometimes to tell which ones are in charge on a particular day.

    President Trump has said U.S. companies that sell components to Chinese tech firm Huawei will be allowed to continue to do so.

    In remarks at a press conference during the G20 summit in Japan, Trump said that he had told the Chinese leader Xi Jinping that Huawei would be allowed to buy U.S. goods once again. ‘We send and we sell to Huawei and tremendous amount of product that goes into the things that they make, and I said that we would keep selling that product’ the president said in answer to a question from the press.

    Further remarks suggested the change had been in part due to pressure from U.S. suppliers who were banned from selling their goods to Huawei rather than any material difference in Trump’s position regarding national security concerns around the tech giant’s relationship with the Chinese government. Trump said that the U.S. companies were ‘not exactly happy that they couldn’t sell.’

    Now, about that 30% tariff on solar PV panels.

  44. 44.

    rikyrah

    July 1, 2019 at 4:38 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    This is driving me insane with rage and despair.

    Less insane and despair.
    Pump it into the rage.

    But, I totally understand.

  45. 45.

    Steve in the ATL

    July 1, 2019 at 4:40 pm

    @Brachiator: FYI, a “mojo” is a voodoo ward to keep away evil spirits.

  46. 46.

    ByRookorbyCrook

    July 1, 2019 at 4:41 pm

    @Harbison:

    What’s the German for “Posting hyperbolic statements of performative wokeness”?

    I don’t know. How much worse do we, the U.S., have to get for people to begin doing something different? What is the threshold for full-blown fascist response mode? The statement is accurate without being hyperbolic, what response is being generated now, is likely the response under a full-blown Nazi tribute government.

  47. 47.

    Gelfling 545

    July 1, 2019 at 4:41 pm

    @lee: It has become as it is becoming with the police. No one of morals or conscience will want to work for them.

  48. 48.

    japa21

    July 1, 2019 at 4:43 pm

    @Chyron HR: Yes, he has definitely been deplorable.

  49. 49.

    Betty Cracker

    July 1, 2019 at 4:44 pm

    @Harbison: “Nazis” as a genocidal force that killed millions of people didn’t spring up overnight. Propaganda dehumanized “enemies” and stoked anger and fear. The military and other agents of the state were valorized to the point that criticism was deemed unpatriotic. Rights were taken away from disfavored groups, gradually at first. People became numb to it, and there was probably a Herr Harbison or two calling people who raised the alarm hysterical.

  50. 50.

    SRW1

    July 1, 2019 at 4:46 pm

    @Harbison:

    What’s the German for “Posting hyperbolic statements of performative wokeness”?

    Ich habe nur getan was mir befohlen wurde.

  51. 51.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 1, 2019 at 4:46 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: Do you have your mojo working?

  52. 52.

    Mike in NC

    July 1, 2019 at 4:48 pm

    This is why Fat Bastard spends so much time praising the military and law enforcement. A lot of those people are natural authoritarians with little to no empathy for anyone outside their group.

    His July 4th tribute to himself in DC is still lacking in details (naturally!) but look for very heavy involvement of police and military units.

  53. 53.

    Ben Cisco

    July 1, 2019 at 4:50 pm

    @Harbison: OK, who keeps putting out the Purina Troll Chow?
    And why do you keep buying it?

  54. 54.

    Jay

    July 1, 2019 at 4:55 pm

    But while police almost killed antifascist protesters in order to facilitate a march for Patriot Prayer, at the same time they simply let a far-Right group get away with a warning after finding them on a roof top heavily armed. https://t.co/LzMmk6sP8n— It's Going Down (@IGD_News) July 1, 2019

  55. 55.

    Martin

    July 1, 2019 at 4:56 pm

    @The Moar You Know: I don’t think so. Organizationally, this is an expected outcome, though. When you task an organization with doing one thing, they will develop a culture to rationalize doing that one thing as efficiently as possible. The Nazis gassed Jews because shooting them in the head wound up being too traumatizing for the German soldiers.

    Ideally you want an organization to have goals that compete for that cultural space. They need positive goals and really well defined and very openly visible metrics for performance that the organization can channel its energy away from that job, and which will attract workers which are inclined toward the positive goal.

    Essentially, we’ve implemented the Stanford Prison Experiment on a large scale by not learning the lessons of Abu Ghraib. Even the morally good ICE employees are going to yield to the influence of Trump and those below and around him calling for asylum seekers to be treated as poorly as possible as a deterrent. Look at the police officers behind Trump when he joked about not protecting suspects heads when putting them in police cars. They laughed. I’m sure at least some, if not most of them, would have objected to that suggestion in private, but when you start saying the quiet parts out loud and don’t get shouted down by the room, then they become accepted. That’s where we are as a nation – a step or two removed from smiling for the camera at the town lynching.

  56. 56.

    Jay

    July 1, 2019 at 4:57 pm

    @Mike in NC:

    And Nazis.

    Nazis are coming to DC on July 6th. It looks like #AllOutDC is going out there to defend the District. Get more info at https://t.co/shBT24Uspq— Defend DC (@DCDefend) June 30, 2019

  57. 57.

    Jay

    July 1, 2019 at 4:58 pm

    Stuck in moderation at #56

  58. 58.

    Patricia Kayden

    July 1, 2019 at 4:59 pm

    Protests are scheduled for July 12th.

    https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2019/6/24/1867015/-Lights-for-Liberty-worldwide-vigil-protesting-U-S-concentration-camps-on-12-July-2019

    I’ll be there!

  59. 59.

    GregB

    July 1, 2019 at 5:00 pm

    The chickens are home.

  60. 60.

    cain

    July 1, 2019 at 5:03 pm

    AOC also reports that women are being randomly woken up at night for no reason. So what we have now is a low rent Gitmo where torture is happening to women and kids. Make America Great Again. This is a blight, a deep shame and so far flung from the days of WW2 when we showed mercy to our enemies. Instead, we have filth treating humans worse than we treat our own criminals. Even in war, we wouldn’t treat the enemy this way.

    There is a social cost to pay.. as these people who do these things also mix with the regular american population.. engaging in that cruelty means they will soon do it to the general population once they are given more power.

  61. 61.

    oatler.

    July 1, 2019 at 5:06 pm

    Hunt them down. Are we fighting a war or not?

  62. 62.

    Steve in the ATL

    July 1, 2019 at 5:07 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: of course, I got my mojo working but it just don’t work on you

  63. 63.

    Jay

    July 1, 2019 at 5:08 pm

    For record, it has taken 2 years and 149 days to go from "Trump won't round people up" to "these can't be concentration camps cause they're not as bad as Auschwitz."— Dusty Wilson (@DustiestWilson) June 18, 2019

  64. 64.

    Kay

    July 1, 2019 at 5:09 pm

    Interesting that the President’s supporters in border patrol create and post images of the President sexually assaulting female House members. .
    They’re not put off by the President assaulting women. They wish he would do more of it. It’s part of his appeal. They’d stand around and cheer him on. What a brave, proud group of professionals. So glad they just got billions in new funding so they can work on their photoshop skills.

  65. 65.

    Brachiator

    July 1, 2019 at 5:09 pm

    @Steve in the ATL:

    FYI, a “mojo” is a voodoo ward to keep away evil spirits.

    I used to have a gris-gris.

  66. 66.

    The Moar You Know

    July 1, 2019 at 5:12 pm

    Interesting that the President’s supporters in border patrol create and post images of the President sexually assaulting female House members. They’re not put off by the President assaulting women. They wish he would do more of it. It’s part of his appeal. They’d stand around and cheer him on.

    @Kay: It’s not just the border patrol. It’s all of them.

    Including the women.

  67. 67.

    Miss Bianca

    July 1, 2019 at 5:13 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: If you have to ask, I guess it just won’t work on you.

    @Steve in the ATL: Oops, guess you got there first.

  68. 68.

    Jay

    July 1, 2019 at 5:16 pm

    Opinion On America’s Streets, Antifa’s Militant Anti-fascism Isn’t Terrorism – It’s Self-defense

    After an anti-fascist punched a right-wing journalist in Portland, militant anti-fascists and Antifa – who counter far right violence – have been branded as ‘violent gangs,’ even ‘terrorists.’ Those definitions are completely wrong

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/us-news/.premium-militant-anti-fascism-is-self-defense-1.7425726

  69. 69.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 1, 2019 at 5:17 pm

    @Miss Bianca: You have no idea how deep my sigh of relief was.

  70. 70.

    Kay

    July 1, 2019 at 5:17 pm

    @The Moar You Know:

    AOC is the best thing that ever happened as far as finding the worst. She seems to draw these people out from under their rocks.

    I’ll happily pay for more security protection for her. She needs it.

  71. 71.

    Martin

    July 1, 2019 at 5:17 pm

    Biden 22%, Harris 17%, Warren 15%, Bernie 14%. Everyone else under 5% per CNN poll. It’s going to be Warren and Harris going into the convention.

  72. 72.

    rikyrah

    July 1, 2019 at 5:17 pm

    AOC is all of 5′ 4″. Probably 100 pounds when soaking wet.

    PHUCK.OUTTA.HERE that she threatened them.???

    https://twitter.com/RAICESTEXAS/status/1145793820606341120

  73. 73.

    Baud

    July 1, 2019 at 5:19 pm

    @Martin:

    Love seeing Bernie in fourth place.

  74. 74.

    Bill Arnold

    July 1, 2019 at 5:19 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Now, about that 30% tariff on solar PV panels.

    That’s getting me irritated as well. Looks like I never posted this, apologies if it’s a dup:
    A few-weeks-old reminder that the D.J. Trump adminstration is joined at the hip with the US Fossil fuel industries:
    Two companies petitioned for Trump’s solar tariffs—now they’re both out of business (Michael J. Coren, June 18, 2019)

    Two companies begged the US government to raise tariffs on imported solar panels in 2017. “Stop the bleeding,” implored panel maker Suniva in its petition (pdf) to the US International Trade Commission (ITC), joined by a second manufacturer, SolarWorld. Domestic solar panel manufacturers, they argued, needed import taxes to “grow and thrive.” These tariffs, Suniva insisted, would generate at least 114,800 new jobs in the US.

    Today, both firms out of business. SolarWorld Americas, actually a US subsidiary of a German company, was bought out of bankruptcy by SunPower in October. Chinese-owned Suniva filed for bankruptcy this month. The company told a judge it plans to exit the solar panel business as soon as it offloads its inventory of panels stockpiled in warehouses.

    The Chinese built an efficient solar panel industry. The US solar panel tarrifs are now purely to slow down solar adoption in the US.

    After being rocked by Trump tariffs, the solar energy business is bouncing back (Apr 5 2019, Kate Rogers)
    Trump’s solar tariffs haven’t stopped America’s switch to solar (Michael J. Coren, December 6, 2018)

    One reason is that the Chinese slashed domestic subsidies for the solar industry. On May 31, China announced it was removing domestic feed-in tariffs (favorable long-term contracts for renewable energy producers) and moving utility-scale solar to competitive bidding. That elicited cut-throat competition between rival firms, flooding the global market, and sending photovoltaic module prices plunging to their lowest level ever.

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    Archon

    July 1, 2019 at 5:23 pm

    @trollhattan:

    It’s hyperbolic sure, but we shouldn’t pretend Auschwitz and Treblinka arose out of a vacuum either.

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    Bill Arnold

    July 1, 2019 at 5:24 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Now, about that 30% tariff on solar PV panels.

    That’s getting me irritated as well. Looks like I never posted this, apologies if it’s a dup:
    A few-weeks-old reminder that the D.J. Trump adminstration is joined at the hip with the US Fossil fuel industries:
    Two companies petitioned for Trump’s solar tariffs—now they’re both out of business (Michael J. Coren, June 18, 2019)

    Two companies begged the US government to raise tariffs on imported solar panels in 2017. “Stop the bleeding,” implored panel maker Suniva in its petition (pdf) to the US International Trade Commission (ITC), joined by a second manufacturer, SolarWorld. Domestic solar panel manufacturers, they argued, needed import taxes to “grow and thrive.” These tariffs, Suniva insisted, would generate at least 114,800 new jobs in the US.

    Today, both firms out of business. SolarWorld Americas, actually a US subsidiary of a German company, was bought out of bankruptcy by SunPower in October. Chinese-owned Suniva filed for bankruptcy this month. The company told a judge it plans to exit the solar panel business as soon as it offloads its inventory of panels stockpiled in warehouses.

    The Chinese built an efficient solar panel industry. The US solar panel tariffs are now purely to slow down solar adoption in the US.

  77. 77.

    Kay

    July 1, 2019 at 5:28 pm

    Dan Merica
    ‏Verified account
    @merica
    4h4 hours ago
    More
    Attempts to undermine Kamala Harris’ racial identity had been festering on conspiratorial corners of the internet for months before being elevated to the mainstream by Trump Jr. during last week’s debate, an expert in online misinformation tells @donie

    We really can’t let them do this to another black Democrat. It started as fringe with Obama/Trump and then political media took it mainstream. The President and the First Lady are birthers and his horrible unemployable giant children are too.
    The upside of belonging to a political party is it’s supposedly a huge group of people who can act in concert. Quash it now or they’ll mainstream it.

  78. 78.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 1, 2019 at 5:35 pm

    @jc: There is another difference. A lot of people, myself included, still think that calling our Congress folk, donating to groups like RAICES and the ACLU, going to protests, helping people get registered to vote, and, above all, voting will make a difference. If that view turns out to be wrong, people like me would have to reassess our actions.

  79. 79.

    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho

    July 1, 2019 at 5:36 pm

    @NotMax: Effective and pretty – you don’t have to pick one!

  80. 80.

    Miss Bianca

    July 1, 2019 at 5:37 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: : )

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    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho

    July 1, 2019 at 5:40 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I can only imagine.

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    Omnes Omnibus

    July 1, 2019 at 5:41 pm

    @Kay: Warren, Booker, Buttigieg, and O’Rourke have all come out swinging against these attacks on Harris. Booker has been particularly outspoken with his statement that she “doesn’t have to prove shit.”

  83. 83.

    Ruviana

    July 1, 2019 at 5:43 pm

    Whoa Nellie, don’t read the comments on that Pro Publica story! Just don’t!

  84. 84.

    CaseyL

    July 1, 2019 at 5:44 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Yes. This.

    I have signed up with a group called JewsAgainstIce, which is part of NeverAgainisNow. They just did a direct action at the Elizabethtown NJ detention center, and are hosting a conference call to talk about more direction actions. I have signed up for the call, which is tonight:

    NeverAgainAction

  85. 85.

    MomSense

    July 1, 2019 at 5:44 pm

    Ravelry made a follow up announcement today reiterating their hate speech policy and announcing better ways to report hateful content. In response to all the offers of donations and help they asked people to send money to Raices Texas and to support the work of BiPOC. Very cool.

    I’m going to a protest against the concentration camps at Susan Collins’ office tomorrow at 500. If you text “camps” to 504-09 they will text you protests and events near you. Or you can text resist and they will deliver your message to your Congress critters.

  86. 86.

    Jay

    July 1, 2019 at 5:46 pm

    Also deserving of our attention and support: 36 young Jewish activists were arrested today for nonviolent direct action against migrant conditions in Elizabeth, NJ.You can learn more about their advocacy and support their bail fund here ⬇️ https://t.co/oyoOJZdwh8— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) July 1, 2019

  87. 87.

    zhena gogolia

    July 1, 2019 at 5:48 pm

    @Ruviana:

    Pochemu? Ia chitaiu po-russki, naverno budet ochen’ interesno.

    Putin’s people are out in force already and will be until the election.

  88. 88.

    Chyron HR

    July 1, 2019 at 5:50 pm

    @Martin:

    It’s a good thing Bernie’s an evil old man or he might feel some twinge of regret about letting nazis destroy America just so that he could have the chance to come in fourth place the next time around.

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    cain

    July 1, 2019 at 5:56 pm

    I think it’s time to start organizing, talking to congress is not going to work. We need to start doing on the ground protests, and they need to grow as large as we can make them. We need 3% of the population to wake up.. apparently that is the magic number for social change. But to do that we need to create shifts so those who work can go after work.. now that it is summer, and hte kids are out, we can do this!

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    OzarkHillbilly

    July 1, 2019 at 5:57 pm

    @NotMax: Salting one’s sidewalks? Killing snails? Inquiring minds want to know.

  91. 91.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    July 1, 2019 at 5:58 pm

    @J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford:

    It looks like 40% of the country is about a step away from going full Nazi – and I’m being optimistic.

    Hitler got his ideas like ethnic cleansing from the 19th Century US Indian Policy. Just saying.

  92. 92.

    Jay

    July 1, 2019 at 5:59 pm

    @JagLandRoverWG and @PiazzaAutoGroup have locked their accounts in response to the issue of their employees making threats of violence to @gwensnyderPHL. They are defending neo-nazi employees so now it's time to take it up to a corporate level.@JaguarUSA @LandRoverUSA https://t.co/dM3qHRNDQ5— Saint Dragon (@Sa1nt_Drag0n) July 1, 2019

  93. 93.

    Jay

    July 1, 2019 at 6:00 pm

    What’s haunting is that the women I met with today told me in no uncertain terms that they would experience retribution for telling us what they shared.They all began sobbing – out of fear of being punished, out of sickness, out of desperation, lack of sleep, trauma, despair.— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) July 1, 2019

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    Martin

    July 1, 2019 at 6:01 pm

    @Bill Arnold: Grid PV prices in California are $0.045/kW, including battery storage. California may sequester 12TWh of excess production this year. There’s pretty much no recovery possible for fossil fuels at this point.

    In April 2019, U.S. monthly electricity generation from renewable sources exceeded coal-fired generation for the first time based on data in EIA’s Electric Power Monthly. Renewable sources provided 23% of total electricity generation to coal’s 20%. This outcome reflects both seasonal factors as well as long-term increases in renewable generation and decreases in coal generation. EIA includes utility-scale hydropower, wind, solar, geothermal, and biomass in its definition of renewable electricity generation.

    Unlike the feds, CA doesn’t count large hydro in its renewable mix. Right now CA is producing just shy of 70% of power from renewables + solar, not including any imports from Oregon hydro. Even in the evenings natural gas usually doesn’t exceed renewables + hydro in CA. CA has the benefit of enough geothermal potential to power the entire state, plus enough offshore wind potential to power the entire state – which is only now being developed due to the difficulty of deep-water offshore wind farms.

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    Jay

    July 1, 2019 at 6:01 pm

    Stuck in moderation again.

  96. 96.

    Another Scott

    July 1, 2019 at 6:02 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: I thought it was an evil anthropomorphic ape.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  97. 97.

    Martin

    July 1, 2019 at 6:03 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: We’ve got an embarrassment of riches in the Dem field this cycle.

  98. 98.

    noncarborundum

    July 1, 2019 at 6:06 pm

    @AnotherBruce: Not sure that’s true. One of their results was that highly competent people tend actually to underestimate their performance and rank themselves closer to the average than they really are. Peak Dunning-Kruger would be an abject incompetent who’s aware of this effect and draws from it the conclusion that s/he has been underselling him/herself all these years.

    (If Trump’s aware of D-K, I’d wager good money that this is how he understands it.)

  99. 99.

    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon

    July 1, 2019 at 6:07 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Biden and Wilmer too. It’s a united front against birther-style racism!

  100. 100.

    rikyrah

    July 1, 2019 at 6:11 pm

    blessed with stamina ➒ (@dilemmv) Tweeted:
    Twitter is not real life.
    This woman created a Hate Crimes Divison for LGBT people
    This woman was marrying people in 2004
    This woman invalidated the gay-trans panic defense in California as AG
    This woman refused to defend Prop 8 which lead to SCOTUS decision.
    #SheIsntTransphobic https://t.co/JnN7VeNkgx https://twitter.com/dilemmv/status/1145496771348652033?s=17

  101. 101.

    tobie

    July 1, 2019 at 6:11 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Defending democracy is tough work but what’s the alternative? What’s happening now reminds me of the spontaneous protests in airports after Trump declared his Muslim ban. People are taking to the streets tomorrow and on the 12th and probably in between because it’s beyond appalling what we’re doing to immigrants.

  102. 102.

    MisterForkbeard

    July 1, 2019 at 6:13 pm

    @rikyrah: It’s sad, but that was my reaction was well >_<

    @rikyrah: I think the facebook group probably has some ex-members of CBP and people that are in support positions but not actually IN CBP. So the “almost 50%” number is likely off by a bit.

    But not much. Jesus, this is awful.

    @Baud:

    “If you’ve ever wondered what you would have done in Nazi Germany, you’re doing it now.”

    People like me are the problem here. I vote against them and I donate to the appropriate causes. But I’m so damn busy with my work and family that I can’t go to marches or do much more than performative posts on facebook or talk about it with you folks here. And that’s what Trump and the Republicans are counting on – people that hate them but can’t do more than the bare minimum to fight back. If you combine that number with the people who really, actively love the crimes against humanity then you have enough to keep going.

    And I’m not sure what to do about it.

  103. 103.

    Kay

    July 1, 2019 at 6:15 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I loved Booker’s comment because that’s my position and I think it should be the position. No. We’re not discussing that. It isn’t “an issue”.
    We tried the fact-based good faith rebuttal. They went with it anyway. So, nothing. They get nothing.
    Like Obama was she’s a sitting senator. Senators undergo compelled disclosure before they’re seated. They can go search records. It’s not her job to disprove a racist, bad faith attack based on denying her personhood. That’s backward. The burden runs the other way. They can go do some of the vetting on Trump they failed to do. Go find some records.

  104. 104.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 1, 2019 at 6:16 pm

    @MisterForkbeard: Life gets in the way. How many demonstrations have you seen in support of trump and his policies? The other side is similarly affected. We each do what we can.

  105. 105.

    rikyrah

    July 1, 2019 at 6:16 pm

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) Tweeted:
    CBP made us check our phones.

    But one woman slipped me this packet to take with me.

    It says “shampoo,” but she told me that this is all they give women to wash their entire body. Nothing else.

    Some women’s hair was falling out. Others had gone 15 days without taking a shower. https://t.co/OsaKS0YD9a https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1145802564098777090?s=17

  106. 106.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 1, 2019 at 6:16 pm

    @Formerly disgruntled in Oregon: I’m not a Bernie fan– I think the technical term is, “I hate his guts and liver”–, but I did like his succinct snark on this

    Bernie Sanders @ BernieSanders
    Donald Trump Jr. is a racist too. Shocker.

  107. 107.

    debbie

    July 1, 2019 at 6:17 pm

    @Jager:

    More like it started when they sanctioned shoot to kill.

  108. 108.

    rikyrah

    July 1, 2019 at 6:18 pm

    Joyce Alene (@JoyceWhiteVance) Tweeted:
    DHS has internal rules for handling this kind of employee performance & should swiftly discipline & remove them. This news, on the heels of news an IG report about bad conditions in kids’ camps was ignored, shows an out of control agency, needing oversight https://t.co/KFIdlUTQZ8 https://twitter.com/JoyceWhiteVance/status/1145804890150723585?s=17

  109. 109.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 1, 2019 at 6:21 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    “I hate his guts and liver”

    ting… ting… ting…. a little bell is going off in the deep recesses of my brain, I can almost get it…

    Ach! Got it! Lonesome Dove.

  110. 110.

    germy

    July 1, 2019 at 6:24 pm

    Border Patrol Chief: Sexist Facebook posts ‘inappropriate’

    CLINT, Texas (AP) — The head of the U.S. Border Patrol says sexist posts and comments mocking migrant deaths in a closed Facebook group for agents and employees are “completely inappropriate.”

    Carla Provost said in a statement Monday that any employee who violated standards will be held accountable. ProPublica published a report on the group that comprises about 9,500 current and former employees. There are about 20,000 active Border Patrol agents.

    Group members posted graphic doctored images of U.S. Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a New York Democrat. Other posts refer to Ocasio-Cortez and Rep. Veronica Escobar, of Texas, in sexually explicit ways. One member encouraged agents to throw burritos at them during a facility tour Monday.

    The assistant commissioner of the office of professional responsibility says the “disturbing social media activity” is being investigated.

    The Associated Press makes it sound like silly adolescent humor, in bad taste but harmless.

  111. 111.

    Mandalay

    July 1, 2019 at 6:25 pm

    @Martin:

    Biden 22%, Harris 17%, Warren 15%, Bernie 14%.

    Biden is doomed. The spoof Biden web site (created by a Republican) isn’t going to help him either. It’s brutal.

    p.s. Some enterprising soul could do the same thing to Trump.The name presidentdonaldtrump.com is available for $69.99.

  112. 112.

    Jaye

    July 1, 2019 at 6:26 pm

    @cain: I just read the entire OIG report. Out of all the horrors of overcrowded SRO cells, 1 toilet for 200 people, etc, one thing that jumped out at me is that they are [i]throwing away the bags people have brought with them[/i]. Purses, backpacks, suitcases, probably containing at least some of the things they currently lack – e. g. meds, clothes etc., just thrown away because, you know, they’re muddy (eeew) or wet (yuck) and they might have (icky) [i]bugs[/i].

    They are throwing. Away. Migrants. Posessions. Just let that sink in. Most of them probably had at least one change of clothes. Maybe there were medications, personal papers, photographs? Too bad. They might be muddy, and we can’t have that in our camps.

    These are concentration camps. The entire process is designed to strip all of the humanity from each and every person that comes into contact with CBP. Strip them of their families, strip them of their possessions, and most importantly strip them of their dignity. That seems to be the overall goal.

  113. 113.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 1, 2019 at 6:26 pm

    @germy: “The blatant racism is A-OK tho.”

  114. 114.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 1, 2019 at 6:29 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly: ‘I god, you’re right, I stole it from Dan Suggs

  115. 115.

    Citizen Alan

    July 1, 2019 at 6:30 pm

    @noncarborundum:

    (If Trump’s aware of D-K, I’d wager good money that this is how he understands it.)

    And I’d bet that Fat Bastard would think Dunning-Krueger was a kind of pastry.

  116. 116.

    Miss Bianca

    July 1, 2019 at 6:31 pm

    @Formerly disgruntled in Oregon:

    Biden and Wilmer too. It’s a united front against birther-style racism!

    Glad to hear it.

  117. 117.

    sukabi

    July 1, 2019 at 6:31 pm

    @Mandalay: trump.org . Is a similar effort.

  118. 118.

    Another Scott

    July 1, 2019 at 6:36 pm

    Twitter:

    Jonathan M. Katz ✍? Verified account @KatzOnEarth

    Here’s @AOC outside the CBP station in Hondo Pass. She says the women detained inside are being forced to drink out of toilets.

    11:35 AM – 1 Jul 2019

    She (and we) are right to be furious about what is being done to these people.

    :-(

    We’ve got to vote the monsters out.

    [ via LOLGOP ]

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  119. 119.

    debbie

    July 1, 2019 at 6:36 pm

    I just posted the ProPublica article to my FB page. Wonder how long ’til it’s disappeared.

  120. 120.

    Cheryl Rofer

    July 1, 2019 at 6:37 pm

    Good news!

    New CNN poll: Biden lead narrows, Harris and Warren surge @DavidChalian reports @TheLeadCNN https://t.co/bbmZCLisjP pic.twitter.com/ILvSlnLYiV

    — Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) July 1, 2019

  121. 121.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 1, 2019 at 6:38 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Some memorable characters in that book.

  122. 122.

    Jay

    July 1, 2019 at 6:46 pm

    These detention centers must be shut down. Join people across the country on July 2nd (tomorrow) as we demand that this mistreatment of fellow human beings stop now. Go to https://t.co/iYOPMJPOcu to find a protest near you. https://t.co/PiY2i94dm4— MoveOn (@MoveOn) July 1, 2019

  123. 123.

    Jay

    July 1, 2019 at 6:50 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    It’s good news,

    Too bad it’s Jake Tapper reporting. He spent yesterday turning violent Nazis attacking the LGTBQ Community in Portland into martyrs.

  124. 124.

    cain

    July 1, 2019 at 6:53 pm

    @Jaye:
    Yes, this is exactly what happened with the Jews.. and now.. the previous saviors are doing it. Fuck me.

  125. 125.

    Raven Onthill

    July 1, 2019 at 7:05 pm

    US immigration agencies have long been full of people like this. The restraints were loosened after 9/11, and taken away completely under Trump. The only hopeful thing here is the strength of the opposition.

  126. 126.

    Jay

    July 1, 2019 at 7:14 pm

    FBI claims to have lost the file on the neo-nazi group Stormfront.Sure, Jan. pic.twitter.com/x2CqUEd1Bb— Emma Best ?️‍?? (@NatSecGeek) July 1, 2019

  127. 127.

    Mart

    July 1, 2019 at 7:16 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly: A friend said “Lonesome Dove” was one of the best books he ever read. I got about 200 pages in and was about to shelve it out of boredom. Next thing I know, the 800 remaining pages were read over the weekend.

    Relating back to the post’s topic – Fuck Facebook.

  128. 128.

    Chyron HR

    July 1, 2019 at 7:22 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    It’s a disgrace that The Establishment is Rigging the Primaries in favor of (checks notes) three different candidates.

  129. 129.

    J R in WV

    July 1, 2019 at 7:43 pm

    @Harbison:

    What’s the German for “Posting hyperbolic statements of performative wokeness”?

    Harbisonie.

  130. 130.

    Dan B

    July 1, 2019 at 7:51 pm

    @MisterForkbeard: You’re doong what you can. Don’t sweat it. I’m reminded of the time we found out that the Chicago Vice Squad planned to arrest all of us at a Gay Liberation dance. There were “good gays” who criticized us for shocking people by holding hands and kissing in public. There were others who were supportive but too busy or had other reasons to stand back. When they heard about the Vice Squad they got on the phone and we had the entire Chicago ACLU in the outer lobby and others to follow us to Cook County Jail. This show of force impressed the head of the Vice Squad. There will be a time when you will be able to provide assistance or witness. You understand the need to rock the boat and to shock the status quo. That counts for a lot.

  131. 131.

    Jaye

    July 1, 2019 at 9:07 pm

    @cain: exactly. I’ve seen the piles of possessions at Dachau and at the Holocaust Museum. That they were taking what amounts to suitcases from people here, in the US. I can’t even.

  132. 132.

    Chris Johnson

    July 1, 2019 at 9:11 pm

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    Hitler got his ideas like ethnic cleansing from the 19th Century US Indian Policy. Just saying.

    Yeah, and that had to stop.

    And the Nazis had to stop.

    And this has to stop.

    It’s got to stop sometime. Seems like this shit busts out now and then, and when it does, it has to stop. I don’t care who started it.

  133. 133.

    Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ

    July 1, 2019 at 9:48 pm

    It’s inconceivable that anyone could laugh at the photo of the dead father and baby. I came across it by mistake and burst into tears. The sight of her little soaked diaper simply undid me. I cannot even express how deep my loathing for Trumpov goes.

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