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You are here: Home / Open Threads / Women’s World Cup: USA vs. England

Women’s World Cup: USA vs. England

by Betty Cracker|  July 2, 20192:58 pm| 174 Comments

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Valued commenter Trollhattan informed us of some potentially consequential changes in the lineup in an earlier thread:

Two big changes to US starting XI: Horan instead of Mewes and Press instead of Rapinoe. Horan isn’t a huge surprise (her yellow card is now cleared) but Press is. Pino injured, or is Ellis simply player-matching?

ETA Big changes for England, too: Goalkeeper Karen Bardsley is injured so Carly Telford comes in for only her second major tournament game, having played in the group game against Argentina. Rachel Daly is also in for Fran Kirby, while Beth Mead replaces Toni Duggan

I have no idea what this means, but I hope everyone is okay. May the best team win!

Speaking of our Pino, her girlfriend, WNBA star Sue Bird, wrote an essay for The Players’ Tribune:

An excerpt:

What’s it like to have the literal President of the literal United States (of literal America) go Full Adolescent Boy on your girlfriend? Hmm. Well… it’s WEIRD. And I’d say I actually had a pretty standard reaction to it: which was to freak out a little…

I mean, some of it is kind of funny….. but like in a REALLY? REALLY? THIS GUY??? kind of way. Like, dude — there’s nothing better demanding your attention?? It would be ridiculous to the point of laughter, if it wasn’t so gross. (And if his legislations and policies weren’t ruining the lives of so many innocent people.) And then what’s legitimately scary, I guess, is like….. how it’s not just his tweets. Because now suddenly you’ve got all these MAGA peeps getting hostile in your mentions. And you’ve got all these crazy blogs writing terrible things about this person you care so much about. And now they’re doing takedowns of Megan on Fox News, and who knows whatever else. It’s like an out-of-body experience, really — that’s how I’d describe it. That’s how it was for me.

It’s like that for all of us, Sue. But I have to keep believing that some day we’ll have a president who is fit to receive sports ball club members again. Such meet-and-greets must be among the simplest duties a president performs, but the orange clown fails even at that.

Anyhoo, open thread for the fútbol and other topics.

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  1. 1.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    July 2, 2019 at 3:00 pm

    This ain’t gonna be easy.

    Rapinoe isn’t starting (presumably injured)

    England has superhero Lucy Bronze on their side.

  2. 2.

    Raven

    July 2, 2019 at 3:00 pm

    And we began to rock, steady, steady rockin all night long. . .

  3. 3.

    Downpuppy

    July 2, 2019 at 3:03 pm

    I wouldn’t really call the Sue Bird piece an essay. It’s a love letter. Not mushy, but completely a love letter.

  4. 4.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 2, 2019 at 3:04 pm

    @David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch: It may be, that given the heat, and that the game could be close, they’re saving her for the second half and potential over time.

  5. 5.

    rikyrah

    July 2, 2019 at 3:04 pm

    Hoping for a great game :)

  6. 6.

    Raven

    July 2, 2019 at 3:05 pm

    ROSE!!

  7. 7.

    Tony Jay

    July 2, 2019 at 3:09 pm

    This should be a hell of a game. Mucho excited. The USA are a damned good team with skill and strength across the pitch. England may not have their whistle to whistle athleticism, but we have been getting better and better every game.

    Whoops.

  8. 8.

    David Koch

    July 2, 2019 at 3:09 pm

    Who has a better lookin smile, Megan Rapinoe or her partner? (link)

  9. 9.

    Tony Jay

    July 2, 2019 at 3:10 pm

    Poor defending.

  10. 10.

    Raven

    July 2, 2019 at 3:10 pm

    great pass!!

  11. 11.

    Amir Khalid

    July 2, 2019 at 3:10 pm

    USA 1-0 England.

  12. 12.

    SRW1

    July 2, 2019 at 3:11 pm

    @Tony Jay:

    Very poor defending.

  13. 13.

    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice

    July 2, 2019 at 3:12 pm

    @David Koch: Dude. Please advise when NSFW.

  14. 14.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 3:12 pm

    Goooalllll

  15. 15.

    Amir Khalid

    July 2, 2019 at 3:13 pm

    I am really unhappy wth the American commentators. No idea how to convey a sense of the flow of the game.

  16. 16.

    Martin

    July 2, 2019 at 3:15 pm

    Ok, this was a pretty terrible first 10 minutes for England.

  17. 17.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 3:16 pm

    Lavell needs to get that o target that was a missed chance.

  18. 18.

    mrmoshpotato

    July 2, 2019 at 3:17 pm

    @Martin: But a good 10 minutes for the US. Hehe

  19. 19.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 3:19 pm

    England are going to have to attack on the flanks, the US is deafening in 4-1-4-1 and they will find it hard going to push the ball through the middle.

  20. 20.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    July 2, 2019 at 3:19 pm

    Engand has equalized!

  21. 21.

    Raven

    July 2, 2019 at 3:20 pm

    rut roh

  22. 22.

    SRW1

    July 2, 2019 at 3:20 pm

    Blinder, that move by the Lionesses. 1 – 1

  23. 23.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 3:20 pm

    I’m a fucking genius, what a cross-field pass and a lovely cross into the box. Well done England.

    And terribly defended by the US

  24. 24.

    Betty Cracker

    July 2, 2019 at 3:20 pm

    England have scored! (Just wanted to use the plural verb.)

  25. 25.

    Tony Jay

    July 2, 2019 at 3:20 pm

    @SRW1:

    England look flustered, nervous and out of sorts, while the US look up for it and…..

    Equaliser! Boof! Eat my goal!

    … will require a moment of quality to pry open.

  26. 26.

    mrmoshpotato

    July 2, 2019 at 3:20 pm

    WTF England? :)

  27. 27.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 3:24 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    Haha, that has me chuckling, well done, Betty.

  28. 28.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 3:25 pm

    Lavell has another great chance! Well struck!

  29. 29.

    Tony Jay

    July 2, 2019 at 3:28 pm

    Glad it’s picked up. The cameraman seems to be spending every moment the ball isn’t in play following Morgan around with “Secret Smile” playing in the background.

  30. 30.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 3:28 pm

    Dreadful defending by the left back for the US, Bronze turned her around and created a chance. Poorly done.

  31. 31.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    July 2, 2019 at 3:31 pm

    Shit!

  32. 32.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 3:31 pm

    Julie Ertz has an athlete for a partner as well, Philadelphia Eagles tight end Zac Ertz.

  33. 33.

    Tony Jay

    July 2, 2019 at 3:31 pm

    Bugger.

    Lovely goal.

    The cameraman just fainted from lack of blood to the brain.

  34. 34.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 3:32 pm

    Gooooolallllll

  35. 35.

    Amir Khalid

    July 2, 2019 at 3:32 pm

    USA 2-1 England.

  36. 36.

    Raven

    July 2, 2019 at 3:32 pm

    let’s hear about the awful defense

  37. 37.

    SRW1

    July 2, 2019 at 3:32 pm

    I thought defending was the supposed weakness of the US team, not the English.

  38. 38.

    Betty Cracker

    July 2, 2019 at 3:34 pm

    Good save.

  39. 39.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 3:34 pm

    @SRW1:

    All three goals have been given up because the defender was not playing close enough to the attacker, far too much space and when you get excellent crosses the goals come.

  40. 40.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 2, 2019 at 3:35 pm

    Wait a sec… Aren’t the Lions/Lionesses the full UK side?

  41. 41.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 3:37 pm

    Man, the US attack is spot on today, well done ladies, well done.

    Eight shots total and four shots on target.

  42. 42.

    mrmoshpotato

    July 2, 2019 at 3:37 pm

    My dish washing in the kitchen is working.

  43. 43.

    SRW1

    July 2, 2019 at 3:37 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    For footballing purposes the UK are four nations: England , Scotland, Wales, and NI.

  44. 44.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 3:38 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Yes, but they agreed to be England

  45. 45.

    Amir Khalid

    July 2, 2019 at 3:39 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    It’s the English FA’s badge that has three lions on it.

  46. 46.

    Tony Jay

    July 2, 2019 at 3:41 pm

    England’s defence needs to get on the front foot and see the pass coming before the Americans deliver it. They know how the USA play and how good they are at putting it pinpoint into the box for the strikers to attack, they’ll have worked at countering that through smart positioning in training, but they’re just not getting to where they need to be in time.

    Still, plenty of time to go and the English front line are more than capable of hitting back whenever they get the chance. There’s more than one goal left in this game.

    Never a yellow card, btw.

  47. 47.

    Tony Jay

    July 2, 2019 at 3:42 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Isn’t that Rugby?

  48. 48.

    Betty Cracker

    July 2, 2019 at 3:42 pm

    Pino sighting on the sideline. I guess she’s really not coming in. Damn.

  49. 49.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 3:46 pm

    @Tony Jay:

    Both.

    I was under the impression that this particular England team included women from Wales, but it appears they are all truly English.

  50. 50.

    Tony Jay

    July 2, 2019 at 3:47 pm

    With pace and aggression like that Lucy Bronze is more than welcome to come play for Liverpool (men) next season. Alexander-Armstrong could do with quality competition and Jurgen would love her.

  51. 51.

    Amir Khalid

    July 2, 2019 at 3:47 pm

    @Tony Jay:
    You’re watching this with a British commentator. Lucky you. American commentators suck at reading the game.

  52. 52.

    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice

    July 2, 2019 at 3:48 pm

    I’m following on the Guardian’s liveblog. I get confused when they talk about Bronze and White because it sounds like one of BJ David Anderson’s “You Be the Referee” hypotheticals.

  53. 53.

    Burnspbesq

    July 2, 2019 at 3:49 pm

    @SRW1:

    Except at the Olympics.

  54. 54.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 3:50 pm

    @Tony Jay:

    You see where the Liverpool women’s team will travel with the men’s team to the United States for the preseason tour?

  55. 55.

    Burnspbesq

    July 2, 2019 at 3:51 pm

    Neville looks ridiculous in Southgate cosplay gear. Be yourself, Phil.

  56. 56.

    Steeplejack

    July 2, 2019 at 3:52 pm

    Talking heads saying Rapinoe out with pulled hamstring, not being held in reserve.

  57. 57.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 3:53 pm

    @Burnspbesq:

    Is that where I got confused, the Olympic team is Great Britain?

  58. 58.

    SRW1

    July 2, 2019 at 3:57 pm

    @humboldtblue:

    Correct.

  59. 59.

    Burnspbesq

    July 2, 2019 at 3:57 pm

    The IOC member is Great Britain. Team GB will likely consist of about 18 England players, three Scots (who will be there on merit—Scotland qualified for this World Cup) and a token Welsh.

  60. 60.

    Martin

    July 2, 2019 at 3:57 pm

    @humboldtblue: Yeah. Great Britain is not a member of FIFA, and the individual nations are not part of the IOC. So Great Britain can, in theory, field up to 4 World Cup teams, but only one Olympic team.

  61. 61.

    Martin

    July 2, 2019 at 3:58 pm

    @Burnspbesq: Token Welsh but no North Ireland? Well, then…

  62. 62.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 3:59 pm

    @SRW1: @Martin:

    Thanks, I knew I had crossed wires somewhere.

  63. 63.

    Burnspbesq

    July 2, 2019 at 4:01 pm

    From the Guardian’s liveblog:

    Ian Copestake has another way of making pretty much the same point: “To think, the US have yet to play their Trump card.” He’s here all week, ladies and gentlemen, try the president’s cold and quickly congealing McDonald’s Happy Meal buffet.

  64. 64.

    Tony Jay

    July 2, 2019 at 4:02 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    Can’t you completely legally stream the BBC coverage? Or turn the sound down and listen to coverage on the radio?

    Anything would be better than listening to Roddy Scarpetto and Chuck Malone (as I imagine they’re named) getting all excited about the wrong things.

  65. 65.

    Burnspbesq

    July 2, 2019 at 4:03 pm

    @Martin:

    Although they didn’t qualify, Wales did OK in qualifying. My ancestral homeland, not so much.

  66. 66.

    James E Powell

    July 2, 2019 at 4:05 pm

    @Martin:

    Odd that they are called Great Britain rather than United Kingdom. Northern Ireland is no part of Great Britain

  67. 67.

    Tony Jay

    July 2, 2019 at 4:05 pm

    @humboldtblue:

    I did not. That will be very cool for all concerned. The next step is getting them training together. Nothing improves like playing top quality opposition regularly.

  68. 68.

    Burnspbesq

    July 2, 2019 at 4:05 pm

    @Tony Jay:

    J.P. Dellacamera and Aly Wagner.

    Neither of whom, alas, are Martin Tyler.

  69. 69.

    James E Powell

    July 2, 2019 at 4:06 pm

    @Tony Jay:

    Isn’t that Rugby?

    Not for Six Nations

  70. 70.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 4:06 pm

    Well done, England, that was almost a goal, well run corner

  71. 71.

    Burnspbesq

    July 2, 2019 at 4:06 pm

    US dodges a bullet

  72. 72.

    Burnspbesq

    July 2, 2019 at 4:11 pm

    Press and Bronze are having a splendid little war, aren’t they.

  73. 73.

    Tony Jay

    July 2, 2019 at 4:13 pm

    @Burnspbesq:

    Somewhere out there, on a yet to be released podcast, this match has excruciatingly faux-PC rapidly descending into sub-Jeremy Clarkson oafish commentary by Alan Partridge.

    Someone missed a trick there.

  74. 74.

    Tony Jay

    July 2, 2019 at 4:14 pm

    @James E Powell:

    Ah! Rugby League then?

  75. 75.

    Burnspbesq

    July 2, 2019 at 4:16 pm

    @Tony Jay:

    Piers Morgan cornered the market on oafish.

  76. 76.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 4:16 pm

    Huge mistake huge miss!

    Loris Karius is that you?

  77. 77.

    Tony Jay

    July 2, 2019 at 4:16 pm

    Ooooooh, don’t go all Karius there, Ms Telford.

  78. 78.

    Martin

    July 2, 2019 at 4:17 pm

    Boy, huge missed opportunity. But that’ll rattle a goalie.

  79. 79.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 4:18 pm

    England are pressing, unforced error after unforced error.

  80. 80.

    Kent

    July 2, 2019 at 4:20 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Wait a sec… Aren’t the Lions/Lionesses the full UK side?

    Nope, just England. Scotland and Wales have separate teams.

  81. 81.

    Burnspbesq

    July 2, 2019 at 4:21 pm

    Lavelle is likely done.

  82. 82.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 4:21 pm

    Shit, Lavell out

  83. 83.

    Amir Khalid

    July 2, 2019 at 4:22 pm

    @Tony Jay:
    No, alas.

  84. 84.

    Raven

    July 2, 2019 at 4:22 pm

    Ah Rose. . .

  85. 85.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 4:22 pm

    Excellent pressing by the US forced that error

  86. 86.

    Kent

    July 2, 2019 at 4:23 pm

    @humboldtblue:

    Is that where I got confused, the Olympic team is Great Britain?

    Great Britian is a geographic term like “North America” and refers to the Island.
    United Kingdom is the name of the country. The official name is the United Kingdom of Great Britian and Northern Ireland

    In common use the terms get confused and everyone just calls them the Brits.

  87. 87.

    Brachiator

    July 2, 2019 at 4:23 pm

    Suck it, Piers Morgan!

  88. 88.

    Tony Jay

    July 2, 2019 at 4:23 pm

    @Burnspbesq:

    Surely oafs have a certain ‘too stupid to know they’re being offensive’ thing going on, compared to Morgan’s technique of being as sneeringly offensive as possible while hiding behind a wall of security?

    Get In!!!! 2-2

    Or was it offside? DAmn.

  89. 89.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    July 2, 2019 at 4:23 pm

    England equalize!

  90. 90.

    Amir Khalid

    July 2, 2019 at 4:24 pm

    Hey! Shoulder to shoulder is NOT a foul!

  91. 91.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 4:24 pm

    Wow! Well done England! Lovely attack!

  92. 92.

    SRW1

    July 2, 2019 at 4:24 pm

    Blunder, oh blunder! 2 – 2.

    VAR!

  93. 93.

    James E Powell

    July 2, 2019 at 4:25 pm

    England goal seems like the usual karmic result of USA blowing chances

    ETA – Oh really now?

  94. 94.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 2, 2019 at 4:25 pm

    @Tony Jay: Yes, it is for rugby. Apparently, not so for footie.

    @ Everyone else: I do understand that the UK splits into its component bits for many international sporting events including the the various World Cups. In rugby, the Lions/Lionesses are a touring side picked from the four nations of the British Isles (Ireland is considered one nation for these purposes.

  95. 95.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 4:25 pm

    No goal, she’s offside!

    Oh my, that was inches close. And yet again US center backs get split and left two yards from their mark.

  96. 96.

    Raven

    July 2, 2019 at 4:25 pm

    Chew on that Limeys!

  97. 97.

    Burnspbesq

    July 2, 2019 at 4:25 pm

    Offside, apparently. Really close.

  98. 98.

    Kent

    July 2, 2019 at 4:26 pm

    Close call but did look offside to me

  99. 99.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    July 2, 2019 at 4:26 pm

    Shit. Again. Offside. Of course the good part of that is we can claim “we wus robbed” for the rest of the year.

  100. 100.

    mrmoshpotato

    July 2, 2019 at 4:26 pm

    O-U-C-H!

  101. 101.

    Martin

    July 2, 2019 at 4:27 pm

    Man, no way that would have been called before video.

  102. 102.

    Amir Khalid

    July 2, 2019 at 4:27 pm

    @Litlebritdifrnt:
    Alas, no.

    (I seem to be repeating myself.)

  103. 103.

    Tony Jay

    July 2, 2019 at 4:27 pm

    Good England pressure. They know they’ve got the beating of this IS defence, just need to keep the defence tight.

    Shakes gris-gris. No jinx!

  104. 104.

    Amir Khalid

    July 2, 2019 at 4:28 pm

    @Kent:
    By a toe, at most.

  105. 105.

    Raven

    July 2, 2019 at 4:29 pm

    So are there different kind of substitutions?

  106. 106.

    SRW1

    July 2, 2019 at 4:29 pm

    @Litlebritdifrnt:

    Of course the good part of that is we can claim “we wus robbed” for the rest of the year.

    You’re obviously fluent in the essence of the game!

  107. 107.

    Kent

    July 2, 2019 at 4:29 pm

    Why England gets its own team in the world cup:

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2010/06/why-does-england-get-its-own-team-in-the-world-cup.html

    Bottom line. Soccer was invented in England and for the first 30 years the international competitions were between England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland. As the sport gained popularity in the European continent and the World Cup was created in 1904, many European countries thought that a combined UK team would be too dominant so they let them continue playing as separate teams

  108. 108.

    SRW1

    July 2, 2019 at 4:32 pm

    @Raven:

    Not really. Three players can be substituted. If the game goes to 30 extra minutes, a fourth is allowed.

  109. 109.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 4:33 pm

    @Martin:

    Not so sure about that, now that VAR has been in use the linesmen have been trained not to raise their flags, under no VAR I’m pretty sure the linesman would have flagged that.

  110. 110.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 4:35 pm

    I am impressed with England’s attack.

    What a nice card to have in your deck late in the game, Lloyd coming on.

  111. 111.

    Steeplejack

    July 2, 2019 at 4:35 pm

    @Raven:

    No, you get three, that’s it.

    If you use them all and a player gets maimed, too bad, you play a man down. (Although I don’t think I have ever seen that happen.)

    ETA: Oh, yeah, one more for extra period, as SRW1 said.

  112. 112.

    Tony Jay

    July 2, 2019 at 4:37 pm

    Not complaining, because as soon as I saw the replay I knew that was offside, but with VAR coming in they’re going to have to look again at the offside rule. Playing at pace with human reaction times it’s more a matter of luck than judgement if you turn your body to run at goal a bare fraction of a second before the ball is passed your way. There’s no way the English striker gained enough of an advantage there to suggest that she wouldn’t have reached the ball first or scored anyway.

    It has to go back to clear daylight or at least a substantial advantage, not fractional milimetres.

  113. 113.

    Raven

    July 2, 2019 at 4:38 pm

    @SRW1: @Steeplejack: Thanks

  114. 114.

    SRW1

    July 2, 2019 at 4:38 pm

    Good god, invoking VAR that late after the games has continued is kind of farcical.

  115. 115.

    Tony Jay

    July 2, 2019 at 4:38 pm

    VAR has to give that. The rear shot shows her foot being swiped just as she’s going to put it down.

    Yes! Penalty!

  116. 116.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    July 2, 2019 at 4:40 pm

    Oh shit. Penalty. Oh shit a save.

  117. 117.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 4:40 pm

    That’s incidental contact no a penalty, that’s terrible. White tripped herself.

  118. 118.

    Burnspbesq

    July 2, 2019 at 4:40 pm

    Wow. Such a bad attempt.

  119. 119.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 4:40 pm

    SAAAAAAVVVVEEEEEEE

  120. 120.

    Raven

    July 2, 2019 at 4:40 pm

    cant’ cry about that!!!

  121. 121.

    PaulWartenberg

    July 2, 2019 at 4:41 pm

    right now I’d feel a lot better if the US team was up by 13 goals again.

  122. 122.

    Amir Khalid

    July 2, 2019 at 4:41 pm

    England penalty saved. Still 2-1.

  123. 123.

    James E Powell

    July 2, 2019 at 4:41 pm

    Take that, Redcoats!

  124. 124.

    Burnspbesq

    July 2, 2019 at 4:42 pm

    Bright is done.

  125. 125.

    Tony Jay

    July 2, 2019 at 4:43 pm

    Bugger. She never looked confident.

    That’s why VAR exists. From every repeat angle it was hard to see contact, except for that one shot from the rear that shows her foot being caught just as she’s about to set it and shoot. Definite penalty.

  126. 126.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 4:43 pm

    That’s a red

  127. 127.

    L85NJGT

    July 2, 2019 at 4:43 pm

    The Home Nations are four of the eight votes on the IFAB, the global rules committee, with FIFA having the other four. There’s a history.

  128. 128.

    SRW1

    July 2, 2019 at 4:43 pm

    Shit, Millie, that was mindless.

  129. 129.

    Amir Khalid

    July 2, 2019 at 4:44 pm

    And now an England player is red-carded.

  130. 130.

    Tony Jay

    July 2, 2019 at 4:44 pm

    Down to 10. Going to be haaaaaard to pull this back.

  131. 131.

    Martin

    July 2, 2019 at 4:44 pm

    I’m sorry, but that’s not a penalty on White. If I’m about to strike the ball and swing my leg back and strike a defender, I’m the one initiating contact, not the defender. Now, that’s not a penalty on me either.

  132. 132.

    Amir Khalid

    July 2, 2019 at 4:45 pm

    @Tony Jay:
    England have been really unlucky these past few minutes.

  133. 133.

    Raven

    July 2, 2019 at 4:45 pm

    flop

  134. 134.

    Amir Khalid

    July 2, 2019 at 4:46 pm

    @Martin:
    I think the penalty was given because the defender got her standing leg as she was about to shoot.

  135. 135.

    Tony Jay

    July 2, 2019 at 4:47 pm

    7 minutes added on. nothing to lose by going for it. Just one chance needed.

  136. 136.

    Burnspbesq

    July 2, 2019 at 4:47 pm

    There’s going to be awee of stoppage te

  137. 137.

    Martin

    July 2, 2019 at 4:48 pm

    @Amir Khalid: I didn’t see that. It looks like her striking leg came back and hit the running defender, and that threw her balance off. It’s incidental contact. Now if the defender had hit the standing leg, then yeah, clear penalty. But I didn’t see that on the replay.

  138. 138.

    Amir Khalid

    July 2, 2019 at 4:49 pm

    @Tony Jay:
    Seven minutes of stoppage time (not extra time, you ignorant American commentator) might help.

  139. 139.

    Martin

    July 2, 2019 at 4:51 pm

    Boy, I am not relaxed about this. England has too much talent.

  140. 140.

    Tony Jay

    July 2, 2019 at 4:53 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    USA just seeing the game out in an unsentimental, professional manner while England have few options to get up the pitch and overlap while down to 10 players.

    Need to get it up, hold it up and get lucky. Which isn’t happening.

    Oh well. Going out to the best team in the competition is one thing, but that penalty miss will haunt them.

  141. 141.

    Martin

    July 2, 2019 at 4:53 pm

    A US goal would kill off a lot of controversy right now.

  142. 142.

    mad citizen

    July 2, 2019 at 4:53 pm

    USA! USA!

  143. 143.

    Amir Khalid

    July 2, 2019 at 4:54 pm

    USA win.

  144. 144.

    Sloane Ranger

    July 2, 2019 at 4:54 pm

    Congratulations USA. The penalty gremlins hit us again.

  145. 145.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 4:55 pm

    That’s a win, close, but it’s a win and another trip to the final.

    Well done by England, they have established themselves as one of the best sides in the world.

  146. 146.

    Tony Jay

    July 2, 2019 at 4:55 pm

    @Martin:

    The defender ran into the attacker’s leg and the contact took her down. Not a card, but a penalty.

  147. 147.

    SRW1

    July 2, 2019 at 4:56 pm

    Apparently, for England the old penalty curse has been superseded by a general semi-final curse.

  148. 148.

    Kent

    July 2, 2019 at 4:57 pm

    Damn good game. Both teams just attacked relentlessly all match. That was leave it all on the field.

  149. 149.

    Raven

    July 2, 2019 at 4:58 pm

    Jolly good show!

  150. 150.

    James E Powell

    July 2, 2019 at 4:59 pm

    @Tony Jay:

    Playing at pace with human reaction times it’s more a matter of luck than judgement if you turn your body to run at goal a bare fraction of a second before the ball is passed your way.

    We’ve seen the same kind of things with replay in other sports. For example, NFL’s rule on contact above the shoulders – very much a good idea – requires reactions that no human is capable of.

  151. 151.

    Martin

    July 2, 2019 at 4:59 pm

    Wow. Gotta say, if I was an England fan, I’d be pretty unhappy right now. That offsides call would never have been called in a prior WC, and that penalty miss has to really hurt. Did we not practice those this week?

  152. 152.

    Tony Jay

    July 2, 2019 at 5:01 pm

    Best team in the tournament and we – should – have beaten them, but it wasn’t to be.

    Well done, USA, that’s a hell of a team you’ve got there. Skillful, athletic, brilliant game management. No shame losing to that quality.

  153. 153.

    David Anderson

    July 2, 2019 at 5:04 pm

    Penalty luck is penalty luck but if you are going to complain about a VAR offside call, I don’t think you get to complain about a PK awarded on a VAR call.

    Video assistance has made the assistant referees less likely to put up the flag on a marginal run that could lead to goal scoring opportunities as FIFA has been instructing their ARs to lean towards offense and keep the flag down unless they are 100% sure. That was a pre-video review guidance and that is post-VAR guidance as well. If the AR popped her flag and video showed the attacker was clean, the AR would have a major mark against her for future assignments while she will be assessed as following procedure on keeping the flag down on a bang-bang play and letting the video clean up after the fact.

  154. 154.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    July 2, 2019 at 5:04 pm

    Hellva game

  155. 155.

    mrmoshpotato

    July 2, 2019 at 5:06 pm

    So – for those in the know – is a Dutch win or Swedish win better for the US?

  156. 156.

    Tony Jay

    July 2, 2019 at 5:08 pm

    @James E Powell:

    There’s a few things that VAR is going to show need changing. Offside rule, foot on the line for penalty rule, that awful new handball rule.

    I’d bet as much cash as you like, as soon as the elite European club teams start raising hell about them and they prevent big money teams getting through to big money games, they’ll change.

  157. 157.

    Martin

    July 2, 2019 at 5:08 pm

    @James E Powell: I agree with this. There’s so many situations where inertia, reaction time, visibility makes it impossible to avoid a contact but where video can capture it.

    We’re reaching a situation where it’s a bit unclear if the penalties are to correct intentional bad judgement or where something unexpected happened and it needs to be addressed. Layer the safety considerations on top of that. If the standard is ‘player x should have had a chance to shoot’ but was interrupted in some way, then we need to be calling a lot more penalties for a bunch of other stuff.

  158. 158.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 5:09 pm

    @mrmoshpotato:

    It doesn’t matter, both teams are very good and if I had to choose I’d choose Sweden. The Netherlands have an excellent attack. The U.S. will be favored over both but just like today’s game, both teams can run with the Yanks and make it a game.

  159. 159.

    James E Powell

    July 2, 2019 at 5:14 pm

    @Tony Jay:

    It is, after all, always about the money.

  160. 160.

    SRW1

    July 2, 2019 at 5:14 pm

    @mrmoshpotato:

    Six of one and half a dozen of the other. The US is favorite against both of them, but both are very much capable of delivering a lucky punch.

  161. 161.

    trollhattan

    July 2, 2019 at 5:16 pm

    @mrmoshpotato:
    We already beat Sweden so Netherlands presents untested waters. I’d like to see them (the Dutch) advance because they’re a less known and still excellent team.

  162. 162.

    Tony Jay

    July 2, 2019 at 5:17 pm

    @James E Powell:

    Sad but true.

  163. 163.

    James E Powell

    July 2, 2019 at 5:19 pm

    @Martin:

    There’s a couple other things that frame by frame replay has shown us. In baseball, we learned that a runner sliding into second well ahead of the tag often bounces up for a split second because of the laws of physics and such. And in basketball, that if a defender slaps the ball out of an offensive player’s hands, the last thing the ball is touching is the offensive player’s fingers.

  164. 164.

    mrmoshpotato

    July 2, 2019 at 5:19 pm

    @humboldtblue: @SRW1: So no 13-0 US win? :( ?

  165. 165.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 5:23 pm

    @mrmoshpotato:

    It’ll be another nail-biter most likely. The center of the US defense can be split as England amply demonstrated in the second half.

  166. 166.

    SRW1

    July 2, 2019 at 5:27 pm

    @mrmoshpotato:

    7 – 2 at most.

    Oh, and Piers Morgan has lost his shit and wants to go to war with Alex Morgan. Prolly a feud among relatives.

  167. 167.

    mrmoshpotato

    July 2, 2019 at 5:33 pm

    @SRW1:

    Oh, and Piers Morgan has lost his shit and wants to go to war with Alex Morgan.

    Haha. To hell with Piers Morgan.

  168. 168.

    Mart

    July 2, 2019 at 6:42 pm

    @James E Powell: Great game. Thought England played better, but US goalie had two amazing stops.

    Another problem with replay in the NFL, when is a catch a catch. Seem to tweak the rule every year in response to replay outrages.

  169. 169.

    humboldtblue

    July 2, 2019 at 7:10 pm

    Hi, England, we’re sorry. Courtesy of FOX Sports.

  170. 170.

    VeniceRiley

    July 2, 2019 at 8:02 pm

    I love that Sue Bird love letter. I hope we all get a Sue Bird in our lives.

  171. 171.

    Sab

    July 2, 2019 at 8:47 pm

    Late to this now dead thread, but what a great game. Very sorry either team had to lose.

    Jackals, how do you all comment during soccer games? I always feel that if I blink or look at my computer screen I might miss something important, including the only goal of a game.

    That’s one of the things I liked about Sue Bird’s article. A penalty kick is not the same as a free throw. And if you look away for a second in soccer you miss the highlight, while in basketball they will score a hundred more points elsewhere.

    Also, I love that women don’t seem to flop. They only act injured when they can barely walk anymore.

    And these two teams were teams, not a bunch of talented egos cajoled into cooperating.

  172. 172.

    Steeplejack

    July 2, 2019 at 9:19 pm

    @Sab:

    I watched the match on my tablet on a little stand right next to the computer. So it was like looking at a two-monitor setup.

  173. 173.

    Sab

    July 2, 2019 at 9:28 pm

    @Steeplejack: You still have to take your eyes off the screen to comment.

    My husband says I am not an athlete, so slower reflexes explain my problem. I can walk all day forever, but the synapses fire slowly.

    He’s probably right. A lot of my reaction to the game was “….whoosh…whoa!…Wow!”

  174. 174.

    WaterGirl

    July 3, 2019 at 11:09 am

    This is a test comment. Please disregard.

    I will use bold and italics.

    Here’s a link to something and I will add a quote below:

    There’s some ongoing events that we should probably take note of. The first is that the Vice President was recalled to the White House this morning requiring that he cancel his attendance at an opioid crisis event in New Hampshire. There are conflicting reports as to whether he was already in the air and Air Force 2 had to be turned around to return to Joint Base Andrews or whether he was still en route to Andrews and his convoy was turned around and he drove immediately back.

    I am going to strike this out.>/s>

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