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Repub-on-Repub Open Thread: Speaking of DISARRAY!!!…

by Anne Laurie|  July 14, 201910:32 pm| 56 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Republicans in Disarray!, Both Sides Do It!, Decline and Fall, Riveted By The Sociological Significance Of It All

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1/ There's a very passionate reaction to @realDonaldTrump's racisty racism this morning. It's justified, but pointless.

Let me remind you: there is no bottom. There is no better Trump. It's never a joke, or 87-dimensional chess, or some clever strategery.

— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) July 14, 2019

Obviously they’ll renominate him. But we should be clear about where the responsibility lies.

— Seth Masket (@smotus) July 14, 2019

There never was a factual objection. Just establishment politesse and denial. https://t.co/p4BOgkM0RR

— Ishaan Tharoor (@ishaantharoor) July 14, 2019

I've read this article. What I see is a few people saying: "I didn't expect Trump to win, I sure didn't expect him to win again, and I wish I hadn't limited my career options." Then you shouldn't have signed anything. Beyond that, not sure what this "fracturing" is. https://t.co/3GDGR3yZMH

— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) July 14, 2019

… This weekend, a few dozen once-prominent GOP foreign policy figures, including some original “never Trumpers,” are gathering at a private Reagan Institute retreat in Beaver Creek, Colo., to promote and preserve the 40th president’s “conservative internationalist” approach to foreign affairs. Yet the White House has shown little willingness to tap into this wellspring of expertise, even as Trump cycles through national security aides and faces a dwindling pool of experienced staffers for a potential second term.

The ostracizing of the group has led some to reconsider their roles in a prominent public movement to stop Trump three years ago.

“I’m not comfortable with letters anymore,” said Patrick Cronin, head of the Asia-Pacific security program at the Hudson Institute, who signed the first letter, which called Trump “fundamentally dishonest” and “utterly unfitted to the office.” In March 2017, Cronin was forced to withdraw from a new position overseeing a Pentagon think tank after Trump allies blasted his appointment by then-Defense Secretary Jim Mattis…

Let me be a Sovietologist for a moment. You know what I hear when I see an article about younger Never Trump people having regrets? Not a "fracture," but rather a fear that the Dems are going to blow this and Trump will be president until 2024 – which they were betting against.

— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) July 14, 2019

I know creatures like Matt Wolking and the Island of Misfit Toys denizens who are still chest-beating over their White House invites think they get to live in the Trumpian Twitter Volksgemeinschaft, but Trump will *always* pull the rug out by using, you know, words.

— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) July 14, 2019

The modal #MAGA response to Trump’s @AOC tweets will be:
A) “Trump is no white nationalist but he’s committed acts of white nationalism.”
B) “The tweets have good grammar; Stephen Miller wrote them.”
C) “If Dems were more moderate I’d vote for them!”
D) “He’s just being honest.”

— Daniel W. Drezner (@dandrezner) July 14, 2019


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Reminder…

“In the first half of June 2019, just 26% of Americans identified as Republican.” https://t.co/339EVlLoRn

— Heath Mayo (@HeathMayo) July 14, 2019

Trump's approval among voters… July 14, 2018: 43%. Election Day 2018: 44%. Today: 43%. https://t.co/InRMzIwXZX

— (((Harry Enten))) (@ForecasterEnten) July 14, 2019

Trump inspires almost no one outside his own base, and when he talks he worries even pluralities of his own people. https://t.co/btExe8K4xN pic.twitter.com/JH67PySeam

— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) July 4, 2019

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  1. 1.

    mrmoshpotato

    July 14, 2019 at 10:50 pm

    Fuck Rick Wilson. Need I say more?

  2. 2.

    Anne Laurie

    July 14, 2019 at 10:54 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: Nobody (except maybe Mr. Wilson!) will be happier than I when the Squatter-in-Chief is gone and we can go back to being on opposite sides.

    I don’t trust Wilson, but I’m perfectly willing to watch him frag the MAGAts.

  3. 3.

    Jay

    July 14, 2019 at 10:54 pm

    Went to bed w/ the death of Sister #SadieRobertsJoseph (Baton Rouge) pressing my spirit last night. Woke up and she was still there. Couldn't help but to think of Darren Seals (Ferguson)–two local Blk leaders found dead in the trunks of cars. Both cities of recent Blk uprisings. pic.twitter.com/UR6fFNXIzl— Lamont Lilly (@LamontLilly) July 14, 2019

  4. 4.

    Gin & Tonic

    July 14, 2019 at 10:59 pm

    Kristol asks: “Are GOP leaders, donors and voters still fine with re-nominating Donald Trump for president?”

    Of course they are, stupid.

  5. 5.

    mrmoshpotato

    July 14, 2019 at 11:01 pm

    @Anne Laurie: And after Dump is out of office, they’ll all go “What was that?” like the Republican party hasn’t been a shitpile for the past 40+ years.

  6. 6.

    mrmoshpotato

    July 14, 2019 at 11:03 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: mrmoshpotato asks: “Is Bill Kristol a moron or a grifter?”

    Both.

  7. 7.

    Eric U.

    July 14, 2019 at 11:06 pm

    Pretty sure I’m going to have to unfollow some never-trumpers as soon as trump leaves office

  8. 8.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 14, 2019 at 11:07 pm

    Nichols wants to go back to the R fold.

  9. 9.

    plato

    July 14, 2019 at 11:14 pm

    This is the tweet to put up there, not ishan’s insiderism banality

    There’s a lot of repellent stuff in these tweets, but it’s interesting that Trump presumes Ayanna Pressley (born in Chicago), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (born in NYC), and Rashida Tlaib (born in Detroit) were not born in the USA. pic.twitter.com/2vHjEnMdRs— Daniel W. Drezner (@dandrezner) July 14, 2019

  10. 10.

    Brachiator

    July 14, 2019 at 11:15 pm

    “I’m not comfortable with letters anymore,” said Patrick Cronin, head of the Asia-Pacific security program at the Hudson Institute, who signed the first letter, which called Trump “fundamentally dishonest” and “utterly unfitted to the office.” In March 2017, Cronin was forced to withdraw from a new position overseeing a Pentagon think tank after Trump allies blasted his appointment by then-Defense Secretary Jim Mattis…

    Gee, I’d like to say that I feel sorry for Republicans, but I just can’t.

    We now know one way to objectively determine whether someone is evil. Look to see if they have a job in the Trump administration.

  11. 11.

    Jay

    July 14, 2019 at 11:16 pm

    In 1942, Arondeus started an underground periodical called the Brandarisbrief. In 1943, the Brandarisbrief merged with another publication called De Vrije Kunstenaar Through the merger, Arondeus met Gerrit van der Veen, the editor of De Vrije Kunstenaar[2]. In the resistance, Gerrit van der Veen specialized in forging identity cards[2]. As a result, Arondeus also became in involved in creating forged documents[1][2]. A major detriment to the success of these forgeries was the Municipal Office for Population Registration as its existence made the forgeries less useful, since their legitimacy could be checked against the registration lists and determined to be fakes. Arondeus and van der Veen, developed a plan to destroy the registration office along with a number of associates.[2]

    Their attack, which took place on March 27, 1943[1][2], was successful, and they managed to destroy 800,000 identity cards, and retrieve 600 blank cards and 50,000 guilders. The building was blown up and no one was caught on the night of the attack. However, due to an unknown betrayer, Arondeus was arrested on April 1st, 1943[1]. Arondeus refused to give up the rest of his team but his notebook was found, and as a result, a majority of the group were arrested as well.[2]

    On June 18, 1943, Arondeus was tried and sentenced to death, along with 13 other men who participated. Two of the group received clemency, but the others were executed on July 1st, 1943.[1][2] Arondeus made a point of telling his lawyer to make the information that he and two other men in the group, Bakker and Brouwer, were gay, asking his lawyer to, “Tell the people that gays are no cowards!”.[2]

  12. 12.

    JaySinWA

    July 14, 2019 at 11:16 pm

    @mrmoshpotato:

    Tell me more, tell me more
    Did you get very far?
    Tell me more, tell me more
    Like does he have a car?
    Uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh

  13. 13.

    cain

    July 14, 2019 at 11:18 pm

    @Anne Laurie:
    I thoroughly enjoy Rick’s commentary. I’ve always found that when they were Republicans they were absolute clowns with zero framing.. but when they switch sides.. it’s I don’t know.. it’s like they are free to be.. (you and me). Great stuff. Maybe we’ll go back to hating each other later, but for some reason I don’t think so. I think he’s going to switch to fragging establishment Dems later.

  14. 14.

    cain

    July 14, 2019 at 11:20 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:
    He totally does. If anything he’s consistent. I can admire that. A true conservative ideologue.

  15. 15.

    cain

    July 14, 2019 at 11:21 pm

    @JaySinWA:

    Dear god, what have you begun?

  16. 16.

    Jay

    July 14, 2019 at 11:22 pm

    a modern day john brown. may he rest in power. https://t.co/Rv63xwKlqI— molly ? (@socialistdogmom) July 14, 2019

  17. 17.

    Jay

    July 14, 2019 at 11:25 pm

    Protesters at the gates of the oldest executive mansion in the "New World"Puerto Ricans are calling for the resignation of Governor Rosselló.After 2 years of corruption and incompetence the latest arrests of his cabinet and telegram chat leaks may have finally done it. https://t.co/MTZBlxXQS3— Andrew J. Padilla ?? (@apadillafilm6) July 14, 2019

  18. 18.

    JaySinWA

    July 14, 2019 at 11:27 pm

    @plato: I don’t think it matters to Trump where they were born. He is asserting they are un-American no matter what.
    ETA I saw a Trumpster tweet just that in response to the fact that all were citizens and 3 were born here.

  19. 19.

    Brachiator

    July 14, 2019 at 11:27 pm

    @Jay:

    On June 18, 1943, Arondeus was tried and sentenced to death, along with 13 other men who participated. Two of the group received clemency, but the others were executed on July 1st, 1943

    There’s no happy ending anywhere in this story.

  20. 20.

    Jay

    July 14, 2019 at 11:29 pm

    Typhus. In concentration camps. Again. https://t.co/msOteqHBTo— REIGN OF TERROR is coming (@attackerman) July 14, 2019

  21. 21.

    JaySinWA

    July 14, 2019 at 11:36 pm

    @Brachiator: I don’t know anything about the story, but the destroyed records may well have save a few lives.

  22. 22.

    Eric U.

    July 14, 2019 at 11:36 pm

    It has been clear to me for a long time that Republicans don’t consider anyone that’s not white to be an American citizen. Trump is just too stupid to keep it quiet.

  23. 23.

    Jay

    July 14, 2019 at 11:36 pm

    @Brachiator:

    William Van Spronson was named by his parents after Willam Arondeus.

    Few Childrens Fairy Tales ever had happy endings. They were meant as cautionary tales for children.

  24. 24.

    Brachiator

    July 14, 2019 at 11:39 pm

    @plato:

    The quartet of progressive congresswomen shot back at the president.

    Ocasio-Cortez, who was born in the Bronx to parents of Puerto Rican descent, said: “You are angry because you can’t conceive of an America that includes us.”

    Pressley, who was born in Ohio and is black, responded: “THIS is what racism looks like.”

    Omar replied to Trump by accusing him of “stoking white nationalism.” And Tlaib said, “I am fighting corruption in OUR country.” She added: “Detroit taught me how to fight for the communities you continue to degrade & attack.”

    From various news sources, including NPR

  25. 25.

    Jay

    July 14, 2019 at 11:41 pm

    an organizer from @LegalAidJustice says their know your rights trainings are working – even ICE admits that people knowing their rights is limiting the effects of their terror. https://t.co/CIEKszzXFA pic.twitter.com/JBAjxrPaBG— molly ? (@socialistdogmom) July 13, 2019

  26. 26.

    Jeffro

    July 14, 2019 at 11:47 pm

    Knowing that trumpov was/is never going to change (except for the worse), Dems would have been wise to adopt a strategy of beating on GOP officials for every sick, incompetent, cruel, stupid, and dangerous thing trumpov says and does. Don’t pay him a second of attention, just immediately pivot, every time, to: “You’re okay with this? This is your party? District? Country?”

    And do it with the media too, constantly beat on them: “why aren’t you asking Sen X or Rep Y how they can support inhumane policy Z and still fulfill their oath?”

    It wouldn’t change trumpov or 95% of the GOP officials asked. But it would make it very very clear who really owns this trash heap of a man and who’s propping up his minority rule.

  27. 27.

    Brachiator

    July 14, 2019 at 11:54 pm

    @Jay:

    Few Childrens Fairy Tales ever had happy endings. They were meant as cautionary tales for children.

    We’re on the same page. Imagine the cautionary tales to be told if we survive this age of Trump.

  28. 28.

    zhena gogolia

    July 14, 2019 at 11:56 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    “a fear that Dems are going to blow this”

    F you! (i mean Mr. N.)

  29. 29.

    JaySinWA

    July 15, 2019 at 12:09 am

    @zhena gogolia: Yep Nichols wants Dems to pull his nuts from the fire. No self reflection there.

  30. 30.

    Ruckus

    July 15, 2019 at 12:09 am

    @Jeffro:
    This.
    They rarely, and most of them never, think the party went too far, only that they were open with it. They don’t hate the policies only the manner of delivery. IOW, drumpf only knows how to say the “quiet parts” out loud. And the base never understood why they shouldn’t say it out loud. drumpf wiped out the concept of “the quiet parts.” Because he’s too stupid or demented to know the difference.
    If we survive this as a country at least the nasty family secret is in the wide open, that a good portion of our citizens are racist as fuck, that Lincoln didn’t go far enough.

  31. 31.

    HRA

    July 15, 2019 at 12:09 am

    @Jeffro:
    I agree! He really wants them to address him and no one else.

  32. 32.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 15, 2019 at 12:11 am

    As most likely the only person here who was asked if I’d like to be considered for an appointment because a senior transition official is a professional colleague who appreciates my abilities and expertise despite our political differences and who passed it up for professional reasons, I don’t get the “I’m going to stick my chin out in front of the thin skinned guy who likes to punch people, but I don’t understand why I’m being punched” schtick these mostly men are or performing. Almost none of them have actually lost their jobs, they just weren’t able to get political appointments of various ranks.

    I can tell you that it is frustrating to have senior professional colleagues who believe you’re ready to make the next professional progression, and a major one at that, that you’re qualified for a political appointment and you can’t for your own professional and personal reasons take advantage of it. And in my case, because of several other just bizarre factors largely having to do with the effects of sequester on contracting, I’ve largely survived the last three years doing consulting work, which isn’t constant, I get the frustration. But I’m not writing op-eds about it. I’m not whining to reporters about it. I do sleep like a baby. A 5’11, 268 lbs baby.

  33. 33.

    jl

    July 15, 2019 at 12:14 am

    I have no use for cruds like Wilson and Nichols if they are still registered Republicans. It’s become an outlaw anti-American anti-democracy plutocratic thug party.

    Nichols is the jackass running around emitting dishonest poisonous tweets against AOC. Mocking her for insisting on being sworn in and testifying under oath on the human rights violations in the Trump concentration camps, and he unfairly imputed absurd childish motives to her insistence.

    I guess one good thing that came out of Trump’s vile vicious ignorant and moronic tweet, is that it seems to have done a lot to fix up the silly squabble among the House Democratic caucus.

    We should ship Trump, Pence and quite a few people in the administration off to The Hague and put them on trial for human rights violations after those goons are thrown out of office.

  34. 34.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 15, 2019 at 12:20 am

    @Jay: Serial killer with a very specific pattern of African American activists or contract jobs?

  35. 35.

    jl

    July 15, 2019 at 12:20 am

    @Adam L Silverman: “A 5’11, 268 lbs baby.”
    If a wimp like me can almost bench press you, you aren’t that big. So don’t worry too much about it.

  36. 36.

    Harbison

    July 15, 2019 at 12:21 am

    A 5’11, 268 lbs baby.

    Hmmmm

  37. 37.

    Jerzy Russian

    July 15, 2019 at 12:22 am

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I do sleep like a baby.

    So you wake up every few hours crying?

  38. 38.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 15, 2019 at 12:23 am

    @jl: Never said I was that big. There are far, far, far bigger people than me.

  39. 39.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 15, 2019 at 12:25 am

    @Jerzy Russian: I wake up every few hours wanting to feed!

  40. 40.

    NotMax

    July 15, 2019 at 12:26 am

    @Adam L. Silverman

    Isn’t 80 pounds of that neck?

    :)

  41. 41.

    Citizen Alan

    July 15, 2019 at 12:37 am

    @plato:

    Shitgibbon couldn’t pick any of those people out of a lineup.

  42. 42.

    Redshift

    July 15, 2019 at 12:44 am

    @Adam L Silverman: Yeah, their whole mindset seems bizarre. They publicly said Trump was unfit for office, but they were sure they were so indispensable that they’d be sure to get a high level political appointment?

    The only explanation I can think of is that they bought into the idea that he was so inexperienced he’s be a figurehead who would let other people run things, and were willfully blind to his being a thin-skinned narcissist who won’t tolerate anyone who even slightly disagrees with him.

  43. 43.

    Redshift

    July 15, 2019 at 12:45 am

    @Citizen Alan:

    Shitgibbon couldn’t pick any of those people out of a lineup.

    He could if the rest of the lineup was white people.

  44. 44.

    Geoduck

    July 15, 2019 at 12:45 am

    @Eric U.: Yeah, Wilson can turn a phrase, but you know, as soon as the Tangerine Shiatgibbon is gone, he’ll re-aim 100% of his fire on Democrats.

  45. 45.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 15, 2019 at 12:51 am

    @Redshift: I have no idea. I’m just senior enough to make it hard to find a full time position, but not senior enough, or, perhaps not self absorbed enough, to run with the crowd that seems to feel put out over their putting themselves out.

  46. 46.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 15, 2019 at 12:51 am

    @NotMax: Just 18 inches of it.

  47. 47.

    mrmoshpotato

    July 15, 2019 at 12:54 am

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Just 18 inches of it.

    I always had my suspicions that you were a baby giraffe. ?

  48. 48.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 15, 2019 at 1:20 am

    @mrmoshpotato: Circumference. It’s 18 inches of width, not length.

  49. 49.

    mrmoshpotato

    July 15, 2019 at 1:39 am

    @Adam L Silverman: Circumference is not width. You’ll learn this as you grow up (and have an even longer neck.

  50. 50.

    J R in WV

    July 15, 2019 at 2:33 am

    @Eric U.:

    Republicans don’t consider anyone that’s not white to be an American citizen. Trump is just too stupid to keep it quiet.

    That’s how they intend to stop people from voting – “You, and you, and you over there, you’re no longer citizens, give me all your ID papers, which will be filed in case you attempt to vote or receive benefits. You flunked the paper bag test!!! Plus your hair is funny!

    NOW get out!!!”

    Of course it won’t work, but that’s what they’re wishing for — that’s where the racists ranting at people speaking Spanish, or any language they don’t understand, is all about. They’re too stupid to learn two languages, so people smart enough can fuck right outta here.

  51. 51.

    J R in WV

    July 15, 2019 at 2:39 am

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I buy 19.5 inch necks on my shirts. Most tee shirt necks are too tight, even on XXL shirts, or XXXL shirts. I try to buy then with henley necks but those are hard to find. I think mine is from carrying a brass sousaphone around for 6 years.

  52. 52.

    Anne Laurie

    July 15, 2019 at 2:39 am

    @jl:

    I have no use for cruds like Wilson and Nichols if they are still registered Republicans. It’s become an outlaw anti-American anti-democracy plutocratic thug party.

    Nichols, at least, has been very repetitively clear that he voted for Hillary in 2016, for his local Democratic candidates in 2018, and that he intends to vote against every Republican, up & down the ticket, in 2020.

    Will he switch back once the Democrats get another chance to clean up the mess? Quite possibly, but when that happens, I’ll be too busy celebrating / working to carry a grudge.

  53. 53.

    JGabriel

    July 15, 2019 at 4:41 am

    @Brachiator:

    We now know one way to objectively determine whether someone is evil. Look to see if they have a job in the Trump administration.

    Look to see if they voted for Trump.

  54. 54.

    CliosFanBoy

    July 15, 2019 at 10:32 am

    @mrmoshpotato: you forgot “with a rusty chainsaw”

  55. 55.

    mvr

    July 15, 2019 at 10:45 am

    @Jay: Cool story! I have my father’s false papers from that time somewhere with other interesting momentos of his life during the war.

  56. 56.

    TenguPhule

    July 15, 2019 at 12:55 pm

    @Brachiator:

    We now know one way to objectively determine whether someone is evil. Look to see if they are a Republican..

    FTFY.

    The ones Trump hires are just the dumbest ones.

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