Why are we still discussing and debating this three fucking years later? It’s who he is. It’s who a large group of the Republicans are. And those that aren’t are ok with it as long as jesus takes the wheel in the Supreme Court and the tax cuts keep flowing.
Fucking bloody hell, you assholes.
zhena gogolia
No discussion here.
Major Major Major Major
Meanwhile, I got a CNN alert headline reading “Trump defends his racist attacks.”
Jim, Foolish Literalist
the press was always too chicken-shit to call out birtherism as racist
remember when St Willard The Silent said that “no one has ever asked to see my birth certificate! ha ha ha”.
And at least one of the Mittlets went birther, and college transcript-er.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Major Major Major Major: credit where due, and I am not a huge fan (if he called out the racism on his ‘sister network’ during the Obama years, I never heard it)
Major Major Major Major
Citizen Alan
George Romney would be so utterly humiliated by the sort of creature his son has grown up to be.
Martin
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Headline should be: “Trump suggests his supporters are racists.”
PhoenixRising
Let me offer a simple test of whether remarks are racist: Did you tell Americans of color to go back where they came from? You did a racist.
The larger issue of racist attacks on the citizenship of people of color being Donald Trump’s sole political view predating his run for office also leaves little to the imagination.
matt
I’m looking forward to the media flipping to ‘it’s not news, everyone knows it’
williamC
@Major Major Major Major:
That’s funny…Senator Romney has “views that are not consistent with my experience” as a black person suffering through this racist nonsense. Sen. Romney is a Republican, ergo he has to prove to me he’s not a racist, too. Meanwhile, what’s going on with all that Epstein/child-rape situation that the President might be caught up in? Reporters should ask the Senator what he thinks about Epstein’s co-conspirators while you’re asking him if racism is racist.
the Conster
” I do not believe that most of the people who are thinking about voting for Mr. Trump are racist or sexist.” – Bernie Sanders 5 Nov 2016
Fuck you Bernie. You “Democrats need to do more coddling of the racists” go in the basket of deplorables with the rest of them.
Mayur V Subbarao
@Major Major Major Major:
“What are they?”
“They were once men, great conservative cash-grabbing plutocrats of men. Then Donald Trump gave them his endorsement to run for Senate. Blinded by their opportunism, they accepted, falling one by one into darkness. They are the virargul, Dignity Wraiths.”
Juju
What you said.
MattF
Ask all the Republicans. It’s a good test. OTOH, we all already know the answer.
schrodingers_cat
Weren’t many signers of the Declaration of Independence not born in the USA. I was born in India and became a naturalized citizen two years ago. I bet I know more about the United States than the man in WH.
Ella in New Mexico
Why everyone doesn’t see IMMEDIATELY that this and his other angry, racist outbursts only serve two purposes:
1. to distract/change the subject/prevent people from hearing about something really bad that going to come out: Latest Exhibit A: ALL THINGS JEFFERY EPSTEIN.
2. as campaign talking points/propaganda to be repeated and reinforced for 2020. Exhibit A: Lindsey Graham’s almost verbatim regurge this morning on Faux Outrage and Friends.
PhoenixRising
@williamC: What I’d love for someone to ask Mitt: Imagine that someone in your party attacked your grandson on the basis that as a person of mixed race, he should prove his citizenship or go back where he came from. Would you support that person as the leader of your party? If not, why is this different?
PhoenixRising
@Ella in New Mexico: We do see that. We are allowed to be enraged by more than one thing at once. And here’s a handy tip: at any time, racist attacks on the citizenship of Americans of color should be condemned. By everyone who believes in America’s promise. Regardless of what else is happening.
Droppy
The obvious racism is not shocking (since it has always been obvious.) I am just so depressed by the idea that 40-something percent of the people in my country can look at and listen to Donald Trump and APPROVE of him, and that the rate of that approval has not gone down even a little. I don’t want to live some place where there are that many stupid and/or selfish people. What is their problem?
TenguPhule
CNN/FTFNYT/Every other media center: “Money, dear boy!”
Kay
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Agreed. Remember- we had birther billboards.
It’s funny the people who got it immediately, because it wasn’t necessarily “political” people. Jerry Seinfeld got it. He was immediately appalled and ID’d it as racist. I felt like it was a flashing neon sign and a REALLY bad sign of things to come.
schrodingers_cat
@PhoenixRising: Thanks. I think this distraction theory is bullshit. Orange Man thrives on chaos and creates it wherever he goes. Its who is not some well thought out diabolical plan. Lashing out impulsively is not a strategy.
TenguPhule
@Major Major Major Major:
In any other timeline with a decent executive, this would be a headline about an actual attack on racists.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Major Major Major Major: Just amazing that those shoulders you can land a 747 on (Roger Simon of Politico, if memory serves) don’t collapse, being unconnected to any spine.
Archon
If you still support Trump then racist tweets like this against Congresswomen are a feature not a bug.
JaySinWA
@MattF: There are a hand full that have disagreed with Trumps tweets. Not many, and definitely not enough. The answers or evasions might be telling.
TenguPhule
@schrodingers_cat:
You couldn’t set a lower bar for yourself.
TenguPhule
@Droppy:
Sherman let their ancestors escape before setting their homes on fire.
They’ve held a grudge since then. //
jl
@PhoenixRising: I agree. And these racist outrages need to be attacked and discussed vigorously. Most voters will recoil and recognize the danger it poses to our society. Even if the Trumpsters mean it as a distraction, it is a distraction that can destroy them. And the deranged hate of the Grahams, and the contemptible cowardice of the Mitt Romney’s will impress on people’s minds that the GOP is fully behind the hate or complicit in it.
Edit: I think Josh Marshall has counted one (1) GOPer in national office who has called it out. The rest are going along, doubling down or making excuses.
germy
Trump Supporters Worried Racist Attacks Against Progressive Democrats Just Talk
(Onion headline)
Kay
Here’s your monthly reminder that the First Lady is also a birther and promoted this racist conspiracy theory along with her husband.
Both the President and the First Lady did this. Crazy, I know because the First Lady is of course an immigrant who promised to provide documents showing that she entered and remained in the US legally, but never provided those documents. No one has seen the whole record outside of the First Lady and her lawyer.
Just One More Canuck
@Major Major Major Major: so a seventy-two year old white man born rich and privileged doesn’t have the same experience as four women of colour at least a generation younger? You cant learn that kind of cluelessness. That’s bred in the bone
PhoenixRising
@TenguPhule:
from your mouth to Kamala Harris’ ears, dude
Aleta
In every current story about this, reporters need to cover why his lifelong racism was not exposed by the press in 2015-2016.
schrodingers_cat
@TenguPhule: Well I can never become the President while he sits in the WH. Its the Constitution has set the bar low not me. The standards demanded of immigrants are far higher than those demanded of those in the T cabinet.
Major Major Major Major
@schrodingers_cat:
Agreed. You can point to literally any of the ten+ heinous things he and his administration do before breakfast and claim they’re a distraction from the other nine+, when in reality he’s just constantly doing heinous things for their own sake.
Ella in New Mexico
@PhoenixRising: @PhoenixRising:
Hey there–no one’s saying the opposite. I’m referring to the way he’s able to keep a huge majority of the people and the media following the dancing laser light on the wall instead of seeing what’s going on in entire room and putting out the fire.
Or getting people on the same side to start accusing each other of shit…
I just want to see his obvious tactics called out equally as loud as he and his Party’s vile beliefs
MattF
@Kay: Ah, Slovenia, shithole of the Balkans.
rikyrah
BREAKING: Judge sentences James Alex Fields, Jr to life in prison plus 419 years for murder of Heather Heyer and malicious wounding of others in Charlottesville. pic.twitter.com/MhukHRWPfd
— Neal Augenstein (@AugensteinWTOP) July 15, 2019
waspuppet
Four.
And yeah — if this were anyone else telling nonwhite women to go back where they came from, anyone would say “Eesh that guy’s a racist.” But elevate this game-show host to the presidency and suddenly it’s all so complicated.
And yeah — he doesn’t come up with cunning plans to distract people. He feels bad so he does something to feel not-bad. That’s it. That’s all there is.
Brachiator
@Major Major Major Major:
Mittens should go back to Mexico, where his father was born.
seaninclt
eh fuck it all… I’m so tired of watching these fucking assholes get away with whatever the fuck they want to do and Democrats sit around in a big circle jerk. The fact Democratic Leadership hasn’t figured out how to message off this motherfucker is insane. I’m in NC-09 and the fact that the Republicans can run ANYONE AT ALL in this district after being caught red-handed cheating and be LEADING at this point in the race shows who truly awful this party is at retail politics. I fucking give up…gbcw
rikyrah
Ariana Tobin (@Ariana_Tobin) Tweeted:
“There is this idea that most blacks were lynched because they did something untoward to a young woman. That’s not true. Most black men were lynched between 1890 and 1920 because whites wanted their land.” https://t.co/Nl96RPcN5B https://twitter.com/Ariana_Tobin/status/1150768528120852481?s=17
Capri
News shows are spending all their time talking about how the tweets are a distraction. Some self-awareness would be nice.
Roger Moore
@schrodingers_cat:
Technically, none of the signers were born in the USA because it didn’t exist when they were born. /pedant
Apart from that technicality, though, the vast majority of the signers were born in America. A quick check online says 48 of the 56 signers were born in America, with 2 each from England, Scotland, and Ireland and 1 each from Wales and Northern Ireland.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Major Major Major Major: Yup, if the Epstein case is the place where he finally left some fingerprints, this won’t change it. And if he didn’t Susan Collins and Mitt Romney will keep believing they can weather this and come out on the other side.
rikyrah
FedUp_Mom (@Fedup_Mom) Tweeted:
@ladyc10 @3ChicsPolitico I have my issues w/Pelosi but she can see McConnel’s master plan better than “the squad” who speak to the choir & won’t STFU for a sec to understand we’re hanging on by a thread. Not only is no fantasy liberal leg going to be passed he’s packing the courts to strike down the ACA! https://twitter.com/Fedup_Mom/status/1150828948739284992?s=17
zhena gogolia
@PhoenixRising:
Thank you.
jl
Yeebus, some of them are talking like this is just the beginning of a brilliant new political tactic. Your House Minority Leader, your GOP
@AlexABCNews
House Minority Leader Scalise on Trump tweets that the 4 Dem members should go back to where they came from: “we’re gunna talk about it more”
https://twitter.com/AlexNBCNews/status/1150825992962945024
If they want to talk about, we have to talk about it too. And call it what it is: dangerous butt ignorant race hatred, incitement to violence and oppression, vile and unAmerican. fascism.
And if they think this is a good way to go, their internal polling must look catastrophic, so they have to rile up the basest of their base.
These people are a danger to the country and need to be confronted. They want to talk about it more, we need to talk about them more and what they really are.
zhena gogolia
@Droppy:
It’s all the economy. They think the economy is in good shape so they ignore everything else. As soon as the crash happens, they’ll suddenly wake up. See G. W. Bush 2008.
schrodingers_cat
@Roger Moore: I bet no one told those 8 to go back where they came from.
Ella in New Mexico
@Major Major Major Major:
Maybe so, but how easily we all forget he’s been dodging and diverting from multiple heinous back-stories coming out since he was elected so now this is just what he has to do to avoid what any other President would have found career ending–and it clearly works like a charm so why quit? Plus, he doesn’t really have to come up with new material or change things up–he just has to keep reinacting cuts from his rallies once a week.
Call it for what it is–and call that out too.
TenguPhule
@Brachiator:
Let’s be fair, Mexico doesn’t want him and it would be cruel to punish an innocent country that way.
Brachiator
@schrodingers_cat:
Yep. Totally agree with you. Trump is not a master tactician. He is not a great thinker. In fact, he probably doesn’t think much at all.
FlyingToaster
@schrodingers_cat:
Very few native-born Americans remember their high school government and American history classes, which I’ll note are a requirement for a HS diploma absolutely everywhere.
All of this stuff — structure of government, balance of powers, bill of rights, taxation, what-have-you — is a standard curriculum. But it’s not part of the high-stakes-testing regimen currently in vogue. Some kids seem to absorb the info (I’m looking at the Parkland survivor activists), while with others it seems to be in-one-ear and right-out-the-other. And if they don’t bother to retain it from high school, they never seem to learn it later.
Trump is utterly typical.
TenguPhule
And not content with fucking up the USA, the holy ballers now turn their sights overseas.
Fucking Assholes.
the Conster
@seaninclt:
WTF? All of Dem leadership have denounced Trump. Your gripe IS WITH WHITE PEOPLE.
PhoenixRising
@jl:
Exactly. We can win a fight about what this country is, if we engage them where they are currently taking up a position: naked white nationalism. I relish the fight. Burn the GOP to the ground. This is an opportunity.
TenguPhule
Talk about weak goddamn tea. The House might as well hold a never ending daily vote on resolutions to condemn Trumps’ X of the day/hour.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
How do you successfully ‘message’ the fact that the president is a racist to racists? especially when a good chunk of liberal twitter spent the last twenty-four hours saying that trump learned to be a racist from Nancy Pelosi, The Real Enemy.
Aleta
I recommend this article; especially if you read it all the way through to the damage done by the Portland Press Herald and its reporter. An incident became a story no one needed…and one that harms me
(At the site Black Girl in Maine)
Ella in New Mexico
@Brachiator:
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that due to his lack of character and his mental illness he is very likely being manipulated by people who are actually accomplishing major crimes in the background to say and do this shit because it serves THEIR interests and just happens to coincide with his need to feel important.
the Conster
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
It’s all that BULLY PULPIT crap they love to blame Dems for not using, while it’s now year 3 of the NYT pretending the words *racist* or *lie* don’t exist.
Ella in New Mexico
@TenguPhule:
And yet I saw at least 10 major Twitterheads demanding she do just this. So now she can be called “weak tea” Nancy by those of us who want him held accountable in an Impeachment.
No distraction. No conspiracy to divide and conquer to see here. Just move along.
schrodingers_cat
@FlyingToaster: FWIW I think T knows less than an average high school student. And I am pretty sure other Presidents even R Presidents were not as ignorant of government and history of the United States as the current officeholder is.
the Conster
@Ella in New Mexico:
Last I checked there are 81 votes for impeachment, 137 to go. How does a failed impeachment hold him accountable?
seaninclt
@the Conster: yay. A strongly worded condemnation. How bout a fuckin’ impeachment inquiry before he gets someone else killed…
Betty Cracker
@Ella in New Mexico: I was listening to the Pod Save the World podcast on a road trip this weekend, and the hosts interviewed Ece Temelkuran, a Turkish journalist who wrote “How to Lose a Country: The 7 Steps from Democracy to Dictatorship.” It was an interesting segment, and I will probably post something about it later. But anyhoo, one of the steps she outlined has bearing on the “distraction strategy vs. impulsive outburst” question.
Temelkuran notes that strongmen or wannabes — Erdoğan, Trump, Duterte, etc. — say outrageous shit all the time that keeps opponents off balance. I don’t know if it even matters if it’s a proactive strategy or if it’s just the nature of the person making the statements, but the effect is that opponents find it difficult to effectively counter a fire hose stream of outrageous shit.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Ella in New Mexico: so you think that if we weren’t talking about trump’s racism Conor Lamb and Abigail Spanberger would be calling for impeachment?
Eolirin
@seaninclt: How would an impeachment inquiry that’s not going to result in his removal prevent him from getting someone else killed?
the Conster
@seaninclt:
Please explain how that stops him?
schrodingers_cat
@the Conster: Politics is performance art for Justice Dems and their followers. The show is the thing, everything.
zhena gogolia
@Ella in New Mexico:
I’m with you on this. I’m pretty sure Russia is pumping up this anti-Pelosi stuff.
Brachiator
@Ella in New Mexico:
I am with you with respect to Trump’s lack of character, but the rest does not work for me. Trump has always been a stone ass racist. His daddy raised him that way.
And I certainly can’t buy the idea that someone as stubborn as Trump is having his strings pulled by subordinates. Especially not with the way that he fires people who fail to kiss his ass.
Mentally ill. Maybe, but not enough to be incompetent. Otherwise, the reporters who suck up to him are sitting on the ultimate news scoop.
I’m not sure why some people are unwilling to hold Trump responsible for his despicable actions.
seaninclt
Impeachment Inquiry is the first step. It organizes the flow of information about his crimes. At the same time, while you are running that dog and pony show, you are running ads in every single red and purple state saying “Hi. This is Donald. Donald cheats on his wife with a porn star. He launders Russian Mob money. He pals around with pedophiles. He gives national security secrets to the Russians. He has been accused of rape more than a few times. He is a racist who doesn’t like people of color. He has a problem with any woman that speakers her mind or won’t let him grope her. This is Donald. Donald is an Asshole. Don’t Vote for Donald.”
You run it every single day, every week, everywhere until the message sinks in.
Major Major Major Major
@Ella in New Mexico:
I do—the most chaotic and scandal-ridden presidency in history. No reason to assume he’s competent enough to conceive of, let alone not fuck up, a distraction strategy.
Gretchen
I had to have it pointed out to me that Pence’s visit to the border was very Southern Strategy. Rather than showing women and children, they showed scary brown adult men and kept saying that most of them had been arrested multiple times. Eliding over the fact that the arrests were for illegal entry once they closed the border. Just like they used to claim black men were going to assault their pure white women, that’s the implication of what would happen if they let these guys loose in the country.
Eolirin
@seaninclt: That would cost billions and billions of dollars and still wouldn’t change things prior to the election. You gonna front that?
Nevermind that all the political science research on the effectiveness of political advertisements suggest that’d be a huge waste of money in terms of actually affecting the outcome, and that level of saturation would result in people completely tuning out the message or becoming actively hostile toward the people saying it…
Brachiator
@Betty Cracker:
I think I’ve heard some of this before, and would like to check this out. Thanks for the link. I think that a couple of journalists have pointed out that Trump and the European right wing populists seem to be singing from the same hymnal.
And in a spot of black humor, I imagine the hit musical “How to Succeed in Authoritarianism Without Really Trying,” featuring the song, “I Believe In Me.”
Librarian
One of the major framers of the constitution was James Wilson of PA, who was a Scottish immigrant whose accent was so thick that the other members of the constitutional convention had trouble understanding him.
kindness
This whole telling people of color to ‘Go back to your home country!’ is sad enough to begin with but just imagine how one group of color, American Indians think about the pasty white’s telling others to go back to the country they came from…….
Could be funny but is really just pathetic.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@seaninclt: who do you know who doesn’t know these things?
cintibud
One little bit of good news I just discovered, although I don’t know how old this is.
Remember that guy in Tennessee who put up that big billboard “Make America White Again”? As it turned out that guy owned a restaurant that I used to eat at! It was close to a popular whitewater river that was used as a site for the 96 Olympics. Rafting outfitters used to recommend that place to their customers. After that story came out, all my friends and I stopped going there, the raft companies stopped recommending the place and I am now very happy to report that it has CLOSED!
zzyzx
The problem isn’t ignorance; it’s people either not caring or not being willing to trust the source for the accusations, helped by having an entire news network that will explain that it’s all lies and slander.
If it were that easy, Trump wouldn’t have been elected in 2016.
Major Major Major Major
@Brachiator: @Ella in New Mexico:
Statements like this are considered rather offensive by many in the disabled/neuroatypical communities. Sure, it happens, but mental health actually has very little to do with whether a person is a corrupt, racist, authoritarian idiot shitheel.
Seaninclt
@Eolirin: “if I had a billion dollars, I’d buy your adddddddd” So no, but jerkoffs like streyer, and Bloomberg, et al do have that. Shit, Joss Whedon’s Romney Zombie commercial was great. Have them think it up. Republicans have figured out that the vast majority of people are fucking morons. Period. You feed them small bites. Red state halfwits have been feeding on fox’s dirty water for so long it’s going to take time for the message to sink it. Will it piss em off if they hear it long enough, maybe? But who gives a fuck. It will stick in their little glue sniffing brains. And frankly, who gives a shit if we piss off a bunch of angry white guys. They are gonna vote for that douchebag no matter what. But maybe their wives won’t. Maybe their grown adult children won’t.
the Conster
@seaninclt:
We’re more than a year out from the election, and there is nothing about the word *impeachment* that would be any different than the more than a dozen active investigations going on now. What magic is in that word that would compel the WH to comply with House oversight requests that the courts are already opining on? Why on earth would you have any faith in the media to cover House hearings in good faith, without witnesses or other documents that the WH has so far refused to release? Nothing says exciting quite like showing an empty chair where a witness should be. It’s not 1974. I doubt there would be any coverage at all, frankly, and if there would be, the panels full of Trump’s lackeys after every close of session would be a shit show fail parade of both sides uselessness. Al lof the details of Trump’s outrageousness are reported on EVERY DAY – if someone doesn’t know about them, it’s because they don’t care to, or wouldn’t know a fact if it went up their ass sideways.
jl
@kindness: Given that the home country of Ocasio-Cortex and that of her ancestors was well IS America, you have to wonder whether Trump knows Puerto Rico is part of the US and the people are US citizens. A person would think he must have figured it out after the hurricane but a person could be wrong.
schrodingers_cat
@zhena gogolia: It is definitely a coordinated campaign. Saikat Chakrabarti and other Justice Dems are BS bros and want to destroy the Democratic party they say so themselves.
Aleta
The techniques that T and Epstein, Ivanka and Kushner, and all kinds of people use to manipulate the media, covering up negative information from their pasts and planting favorable stories and blurbs and nice quotes from others, are part of what’s meant by “distraction.”
In 80s NYC T was known for doing it himself and being good at playing the press. It’s also part of the story of Epstein’s continued influence after he got out of jail. It’s become normal, and that normalcy + the industry that’s evolved to do it are part of how T and Epstein and corrupt doctors get away with it.
Seaninclt
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: every idiot that only watches foxnews, listens to Hannity, and thinks Ben Shapiro is the smartest person in the world.
Barbara
@seaninclt: Are you Rip Van Winkle? Where have you been? Do you really think people don’t know this already? Smacks self on forehead.
Ruckus
@Ella in New Mexico:
It’s not career ending to him because he doesn’t have a career as such. At best his career is being a chump with just enough pull to screw little people working for him and not enough brains to even run a casino. Hell he could have hired someone cheap to run it better than he did. He isn’t even smart enough to know when he’s in a thousand feet under water. Two thousand, yes he knows that, knows it well, he’s spent most of his life that far under. The presidency wasn’t a career move for him, it was a last ditch effort to become solvent with his bank, The Bank of Vlad. Trump is a slave to his owner and his racism and isn’t smart enough to even know that. He thinks that all power comes from the press, which it probably does if that’s all you’ve got. And in his case, it is.
Brachiator
@schrodingers_cat:
If these people are truly this stupid, then they will soon be sitting old in the cold.
I see your point, though. The Wilmerites have this fantasy that a grass roots revolution will topple both the Democrats and the Republcans. And I guess we will have a direct democracy of Bernie and the people. Anybody who signs up for this is a fool.
The Thin Black Duke
Stop feeding the troll, folks.
Mnemosyne
@Martin:
And yet Hillary allegedly tanked her campaign by saying the same thing. ?
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
Quotations from Chairman Mittens
the Conster
@Mnemosyne:
She was so generous in her characterization too – they’re ALL deplorable. And of course Wilmer piled on with the rest of the white male media and Republicans (same thing) by claiming Trump’s supporters weren’t racist or sexist.
Ella in New Mexico
@the Conster: I absolutely want him Impeached, but no, I’m not willing to risk a failed Impeachment. My point is that part of all this stuff is designed to push those in the “Let’s Roll”-leaning camp to get mad at the calmer heads.
leeleeFL
@Citizen Alan: He would have been, I hope. I am not related and my humiliation is boundless. I never believed my Country could still be as racist, homophobic, fascist as it seems so many are. What I thought was the Death Knell for all that turned out to be a rallying cry.
Sad, sad, sad.
At least Britain is trying. Turing’s on the 50 pound note. Something, it’s something.
Carry on
rikyrah
@schrodingers_cat:
They really do…I wish more people would recognize it and it’s why I have always been sorta suspect about AOC and ‘ the squad’.
Saw this analogy last night at another blog and totally cracked up reading it:..She brought the Supremes into it…
BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA AH HA
Mnemosyne
@schrodingers_cat:
As I’ve said before, the reason narcissists get away with their shit is not because they have a devious plan, but because they’re willing to do shit that normal people balk at doing, and everyone around them is too polite to point out the narcissist’s bullshit.
Trump is saying out loud that he’s a racist. That’s what he’s doing. But it’s impolite to admit that in our society, so the MSM and everyone else is scrambling to pretend that he didn’t really mean it.
We’re basically in an abusive relationship and the media is your codependent mom desperately trying to pretend that your alcoholic dad didn’t come home drunk last night. It’s all about maintaining the façade of normalcy when EVERYONE knows none of this is normal, including the people trying to pretend that it is.
the Conster
@Ella in New Mexico:
Agreed. No one wants to hear that the only way to hold him accountable is to beat him, but there is no other way. It sure does seem like the impeach now screamers don’t understand that the BEST impeachment scenario is President Pence, and after his “performance” at the border, why would anyone believe he’d be any better? In fact, if Mitch McConnell starts making noises about the possibility of a Senate conviction – say the Epstein business turns into a huge problem for Trump/GOP – it’s because he’s done the calculation that Pence would be better for the GOP than Trump.
Ella in New Mexico
@Betty Cracker:
A thousand times yes. And I’ll be checking out that book shortly.. :-)
Plato
Alcaida indeed.
germy
Brachiator
@the Conster:
To me, life is simple. Get rid of Trump and then find a way to take care of Pence.
I have never understood nor accepted the argument “We have to keep Trump because Pence would be worse,” even though it keeps popping up in Balloon Juice comments.
I don’t much give a shit what McConnell wants or what he has calculated. It almost seems a complicated way of doing what the Republcans want.
I favor impeachment, but am not gnashing my teeth over Pelosi’s cautious approach.
But I want Trump gone because he is a racist con man. I want Pence gone because he is a religious but job. I don’t much care whether they go separately or together.
zhena gogolia
@David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch:
You left out 47%!
cynthia ackerman
So disheartening that this needs pointing out:
Rep Hurd ( R, MD) says iDJT’s comments are about returning progressive women to their respective district’s, not foreign countries.
OK.
Their respective districts elected them to fix the problems iDJT and Hurd claim as off limits.
iDJT and Hurd, if you can’t stand the heat, go back to any shithole whatsoever.
Brachiator
@germy:
I want to see that Pelosi has their backs. I don’t want to see them acting as free agents.
And I want to see a unified Democratic Party slam Trump on his racism. Stomp his racist ass into the ground.
schrodingers_cat
@cynthia ackerman: Beto’s friend says whut?
rikyrah
@Brachiator:
ICAM
Brachiator
Profiles in Cowardice
JDM
@Just One More Canuck:
One difference between them is that none of their fathers were born amongst a large branch of the family where they live in Mexico. But you know, there’s nothing wrong with that…as long as you’re not a hypocrite about it.
TenguPhule
@Brachiator:
Freudian Slip? Still probably right though.
JDM
@rikyrah: So where are the constant investigations that will put the facts in front of the American voting public night after night? Because without those, why shouldn’t they accept the idiot Trump’s claim that they’ve actually got nothing on him? This is what we have going into the election next year; either there are public congressional investigations or voters will see only dribs and drabs here and there, all presented in “both sides” format.
Ella in New Mexico
I’ve been trying to link to a picture of Trump’s talking points from his presser today, but the site won’t let me. But rest assured, they were nicely dictated and bulleted for his poor reading skills by Miller and Mulvaney,
And CC’d to Lindsey G-boy with a reminder of what they’ve got in their safe on him.
Ella in New Mexico
@cynthia ackerman:
That was not Will Hurd, it was the idiot Rep. Andy Harris of MD. Please don’t spread false information.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@schrodingers_cat:
Criticism of ‘Dear Leader’ is inappropriate.
germy
germy
germy
germy
Reps. Omar, Pressley, Ocasio-Cortez and Tlaib respond to Trump’s comments
watch the press conference live:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nry4f3D0zd4
different-church-lady
@Martin:
J R in WV
@different-church-lady:
Fixed that for you…. iterative improvement!! A real technique in software development…
different-church-lady
@seaninclt:
All that stuff just makes him look like fuckin’ James Bond to the deplorables.
J R in WV
@different-church-lady:
Maybe to the deplorables. A great funny line, thanks!
But Nothin’ gonna make him look like James Bond to anyone with two wits to run together!!
TenguPhule
@J R in WV:
Unfortunately, we need a majority.
Omnes Omnibus
@Seaninclt: Why do you care about reaching out to the unreachable? Also, the normal action following a gbcw is to go away. Just saying.
cynthia ackerman
@Ella in New Mexico:
Thanks for the correction.
It was a careless mistake, not an intended misdirection.