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You are here: Home / Open Threads / Detroit DNC Debate, Night One

Detroit DNC Debate, Night One

by Anne Laurie|  July 30, 20197:58 pm| 299 Comments

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Guardian liveblog here.

CNN’s no-subscription-required livestream (which just crashed my browser, sigh) is here.

Let the commentoring begin!

ETA: Strong start!

Warren: Trump “disgraces the office of president every single day”
Elizabeth Warren came out strong with a denunciation of the Oval Office’s current occupant. “Donald Trump disgraces the office of president every single day,” Warren said.

The Massachusetts senator emphasized that any of the Democrats onstage would make a better president than Trump and slammed his as the beneficiary of a rigged system…

When you can’t be smart, be veryveryvery EARNEST!!

Jake Tapper has so far been vigilant about keeping candidates to the time limits that CNN is trying to enforce.

That technique may help each candidate receive a more proportionate time of camera attention, but it has also made for a choppy debate with candidates repeatedly being cut off mid-point.

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 8:00 pm

    Question 1: Nancy Pelosi. A monster or history’s greatest monster?

  2. 2.

    Patricia Kayden

    July 30, 2019 at 8:00 pm

    Go all of them except Tulsi,

  3. 3.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 30, 2019 at 8:02 pm

    OK, I’m watching the intro, Baud wasn’t too far off downstairs.

  4. 4.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 30, 2019 at 8:04 pm

    I think I’ll edit some more pics from #streetmeetla.

  5. 5.

    zhena gogolia

    July 30, 2019 at 8:04 pm

    Somehow I’m too nervous to watch this time. I’ll get it from your comments.

  6. 6.

    Raven

    July 30, 2019 at 8:04 pm

    OMG a television network is treating a television event like it’s a television event!!!! The Horror!

  7. 7.

    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 8:05 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    You were too nervous to watch last time.

  8. 8.

    Mary G

    July 30, 2019 at 8:05 pm

    I keep going to cnn.com but can’t get the live stream.

  9. 9.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 30, 2019 at 8:06 pm

    The debate’s rules are simple. They are being scored under the rules of the unified commission of boxing. There is no three knock down rule, you can not be saved by the bell in any round, including the 12th and final round, and each round will be scored based on good ring generalship, effective aggression, and clean, effective punching!

  10. 10.

    Ruviana

    July 30, 2019 at 8:06 pm

    @zhena gogolia: you said that the last time!

    ETA: Beaten by Baud, as is so often the case.

  11. 11.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 30, 2019 at 8:07 pm

    @zhena gogolia: My money is on Williamson snapping and spree killing all of them with a crystal, some incense, and I Ching sticks.

  12. 12.

    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 8:07 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I wouldn’t risk joking about that.

  13. 13.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 30, 2019 at 8:07 pm

    Hey, fat slob in the black polo shirt: put your cell phone down, they’re presenting the colors. If you’re protesting, fine, but tweet later.

  14. 14.

    zhena gogolia

    July 30, 2019 at 8:07 pm

    @Baud:

    No, I watched the second one with Biden & Harris. I couldn’t watch the one with Warren.

  15. 15.

    Patricia Kayden

    July 30, 2019 at 8:08 pm

    Hopefully after tonight, the lower performing candidates will start dropping out. The field is too crowded with folk who have zero chances of winning,

  16. 16.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 30, 2019 at 8:08 pm

    @Baud: I’m not joking.

  17. 17.

    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 8:08 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    If you see something, say something.

  18. 18.

    WaterGirl

    July 30, 2019 at 8:09 pm

    No flag pins!

  19. 19.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 30, 2019 at 8:09 pm

    @Patricia Kayden: Even if they don’t, the DNC rules tighten things up. After tonight everyone but Biden, Warren, Harris, Sanders, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and maybe Booker will be excluded from the debates.

  20. 20.

    WaterGirl

    July 30, 2019 at 8:09 pm

    Is the winner of tonight’s debate the candidate who sang the loudest, has the best singing voice, or didn’t sing at all?

  21. 21.

    Ohio Mom

    July 30, 2019 at 8:09 pm

    Why do we need old guys carrying rifles? Yuck

  22. 22.

    zhena gogolia

    July 30, 2019 at 8:10 pm

    Hickenlooper is so bad. I hate to say it, because I share a kind of connection with him.

    Luckily Bennet is good. (I guess he’s not on tonight.)

    That thing Hickenlooper said about repeating Mitch’s words back to him as if he were a disgruntled diner?

  23. 23.

    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 8:10 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Yang made it.

  24. 24.

    Anne Laurie

    July 30, 2019 at 8:10 pm

    Our debate live chat is up and running, folks.

    What do you want to know about the 10 candidates set to take the stage? Our politics team's here all night:

    + @costareports
    + @seungminkim
    + @AshleyRParker
    + @daveweigel
    + @CleveWootson

    Ask away: https://t.co/MRRUxNeKsh pic.twitter.com/mprpAWsIvF

    — Forrest Milburn ✨ (@forrestmilburn) July 30, 2019

  25. 25.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 30, 2019 at 8:10 pm

    We pause this exercise in American democracy to sell you some crap you don’t need.

  26. 26.

    Cheryl Rofer

    July 30, 2019 at 8:10 pm

    That was a really ugly arrangement of “The Star-Spangled Banner.”

  27. 27.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 30, 2019 at 8:11 pm

    @Baud: Tonight. He won’t make the next one.

  28. 28.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 30, 2019 at 8:11 pm

    @Anne Laurie: I’d like to know when the residents of his home planet are coming to pick up Robert Costa and take him home. That peep gives me the creeps.

  29. 29.

    Raven

    July 30, 2019 at 8:11 pm

    @Ohio Mom: It’s called a VFW Color Guard, who would you prefer, the muppets?

  30. 30.

    Martin

    July 30, 2019 at 8:12 pm

    @Patricia Kayden: They should. I think only 7 candidates have qualified for Sept. That might get to 10.

    The flipside of that is that if you’re in that bottom 10, this is go big or go home night. You need polls and donors and the only way left to get there is by taking people down – getting your message in, even if it’s not a question to you. The top 10 can be well behaved.

  31. 31.

    Anne Laurie

    July 30, 2019 at 8:12 pm

    @Baud:

    Yang made it.

    Last I read, the DNC refused to accept one of the polls Yang claimed, so maybe not quite yet…

  32. 32.

    Leto

    July 30, 2019 at 8:12 pm

    Whew, was hoping we could get to the twenty minute mark without anything happening at all. Only CNN could pull that off; well done boys, well done! Also deBalsio just sunk his own battleship by not placing his hand over his heart. Pinko commie right there!

  33. 33.

    WaterGirl

    July 30, 2019 at 8:12 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: I thought the very same thing. At least one voice seemed very off key to me, as well. Ugh. The pageantry is annoying. CNN is trying too hard.

  34. 34.

    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 8:13 pm

    @Anne Laurie:

    Yeah, I just found out.

  35. 35.

    Raven

    July 30, 2019 at 8:13 pm

    @Leto: That was Ryan. . .or both of them.

  36. 36.

    Ohio Mom

    July 30, 2019 at 8:13 pm

    @Raven: I am over guns as symbols of patriotism.

  37. 37.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 30, 2019 at 8:14 pm

    @Leto: Not to mention those shoes do not go well with his suit. And I don’t care what the damn Italian tailors and cobblers say about brown leather shoes with blue suits.

  38. 38.

    Leto

    July 30, 2019 at 8:14 pm

    @Raven: My honest answer is that theatric shit is irrelevant. Have it before the televised part. Move this shit show along.

    (Personally I’ve had enough color guard shit to last me several lifetimes; move it along)

  39. 39.

    Ruviana

    July 30, 2019 at 8:14 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: And that is the American way!

  40. 40.

    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 8:14 pm

    @Raven:

    who would you prefer, the muppets?

    I would. That would be awesome.

  41. 41.

    Cheryl Rofer

    July 30, 2019 at 8:14 pm

    Get the big hook!

  42. 42.

    Cheryl Rofer

    July 30, 2019 at 8:15 pm

    Two for the hook!

  43. 43.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 30, 2019 at 8:16 pm

    @Baud: The muppet babies plus Sam the Eagle and Statler and Waldorf.

  44. 44.

    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 8:16 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Need a big gong.

    ETA: Or a big bong.

  45. 45.

    Leto

    July 30, 2019 at 8:16 pm

    @Raven: Sorry! I get my pasty white guys confused! :p

    @Adam L Silverman: right there with ya!

    Please tell Oprah to quit giving Marianne money. There’s better ways to spend it.

  46. 46.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 30, 2019 at 8:16 pm

    That Willamson woman has the crazy coming off her in waves.

  47. 47.

    Butter Emails

    July 30, 2019 at 8:16 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    I thought the very same thing. At least one voice seemed very off key to me, as well. Ugh. The pageantry is annoying. CNN is trying too hard.

    It’s just overcompensation for how little effort they put into actual journalism.

  48. 48.

    Cheryl Rofer

    July 30, 2019 at 8:17 pm

    And another! This is easy!

  49. 49.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 30, 2019 at 8:17 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: Tranq gun or GTFO!

  50. 50.

    zhena gogolia

    July 30, 2019 at 8:17 pm

    Unfortunately I feel a kind of McGovern-Mondale-Dukakis angst lately myself.

  51. 51.

    zhena gogolia

    July 30, 2019 at 8:18 pm

    THE EXPRESSION IS YOU GET A BAD FEELING IN THE PIT OF YOUR STOMACH, NOT YOU GET A PIT IN YOUR STOMACH!!!!!!!

  52. 52.

    Leto

    July 30, 2019 at 8:18 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: @Baud: Gong first, hook first? Candidates have 100 characters to state their position.

  53. 53.

    Cheryl Rofer

    July 30, 2019 at 8:18 pm

    The histrionic voices are something.

    And “They get a pit – in the middle of their stomach.” Nothing like not knowing idiom.

  54. 54.

    WaterGirl

    July 30, 2019 at 8:19 pm

    All the losers get to give their spiel first.

  55. 55.

    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 8:19 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    Who did that?

  56. 56.

    Raven

    July 30, 2019 at 8:19 pm

    @Leto: Guess what, it wasn’t for you. They have to do that so the fascist howler monkeys don’t have THAT to bitch about.

  57. 57.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 30, 2019 at 8:20 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: I nominate Cheryl to be the official Balloon Juice Democratic presidential primary cull organizer. Please use the donate link, and indicate in the memo section that it is to support Cheryl’s cull, to contribute for tranquilizer darts, tranquilizer guns, large nets, radio tags, and collars so we can humanely sedate these extraneous candidates, tag them for monitoring and future study, and release them back into safe environments. Except for Williamson: she gets a 72 hour evaluatory hold!

  58. 58.

    Leto

    July 30, 2019 at 8:20 pm

    @zhena gogolia: Maybe they ate an apricot whole?

  59. 59.

    zhena gogolia

    July 30, 2019 at 8:20 pm

    @Baud:

    Tim Ryan.

  60. 60.

    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 8:20 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    Figures.

  61. 61.

    Cheryl Rofer

    July 30, 2019 at 8:20 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: GOOD IDEA!

  62. 62.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 30, 2019 at 8:21 pm

    @zhena gogolia: What if you eat the stone inside the cherry?//

  63. 63.

    zhena gogolia

    July 30, 2019 at 8:21 pm

    @Leto:

    The only explanation.

  64. 64.

    Yarrow

    July 30, 2019 at 8:21 pm

    Klobuchar’s smile is freaking me out. Doesn’t go with her “let’s get real” opening.

  65. 65.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 30, 2019 at 8:23 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: Maybe you can get one made by the same folks that make the Vulcans for the A10 Warthogs. This way you can sedate all the extraneous candidates, the useless political reporters, and the obnoxiously worthless pundits all with one burst.

  66. 66.

    misterpuff

    July 30, 2019 at 8:23 pm

    John Delaney is a talking thumb and thinks he pulled out a plum…

  67. 67.

    MomSense

    July 30, 2019 at 8:23 pm

    @zhena gogolia

    Ugh. That’s almost as bad as my personal pet peeve “roadto hoe”

  68. 68.

    Cheryl Rofer

    July 30, 2019 at 8:23 pm

    The horizon of catastrophe

  69. 69.

    Yarrow

    July 30, 2019 at 8:23 pm

    What’s on Mayor Pete’s forehead? Has he always had that or is it new?

  70. 70.

    Leto

    July 30, 2019 at 8:23 pm

    @Raven: they didn’t bitch about it during the MSNBC presentation. CNN Should’ve taken a clue.

  71. 71.

    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 8:24 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Is that like the agony of defeat?

  72. 72.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 30, 2019 at 8:25 pm

    Who had Bernie starts yelling in under five seconds? Please see Ann Laurie on the Mezzanine Level to collect your prize!

  73. 73.

    Anne Laurie

    July 30, 2019 at 8:25 pm

    @Leto:

    Please tell Oprah to quit giving Marianne money. There’s better ways to spend it.

    Yeah, unfortunately, for Oprah it’s like giving your spare change to the annoying co-worker who’s forever soliciting funds for her kid’s latest ‘enrichment’ program: she’s paying a tiny ‘ransom’ to keep the pest off her back for the next several years.

  74. 74.

    zhena gogolia

    July 30, 2019 at 8:25 pm

    Bernie, my hearing is perfectly good. Stop shouting.

  75. 75.

    Yarrow

    July 30, 2019 at 8:25 pm

    Angry old guy is yelling and wagging his finger at me again. Ugh.

  76. 76.

    Leto

    July 30, 2019 at 8:25 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: as long as it sounds the same. Brrttt… BBBRRRRRRRRTTTTT!!!

  77. 77.

    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 8:26 pm

    @Anne Laurie:

    Oprah supported Obama. Just saying.

  78. 78.

    Ruviana

    July 30, 2019 at 8:26 pm

    @MomSense: I hate “tow the line.”

  79. 79.

    zhena gogolia

    July 30, 2019 at 8:26 pm

    Okay, Tapper is already on my nerves.

    Oh, God, Bernie bros in the house.

  80. 80.

    zhena gogolia

    July 30, 2019 at 8:27 pm

    Gee, I have a friend who comes down from Canada to get her medical care.

  81. 81.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 30, 2019 at 8:27 pm

    @Leto: Exactly!

  82. 82.

    Leto

    July 30, 2019 at 8:27 pm

    John Delaney looks like a canned ham. Same color, same shape.

  83. 83.

    Yarrow

    July 30, 2019 at 8:27 pm

    Why do people like this guy yelling at them?

  84. 84.

    Anne Laurie

    July 30, 2019 at 8:27 pm

    @zhena gogolia: Dunno, maybe they’re getting an ulcer from the agita?

  85. 85.

    zhena gogolia

    July 30, 2019 at 8:27 pm

    They’re all shouting.

  86. 86.

    zhena gogolia

    July 30, 2019 at 8:28 pm

    @Yarrow:

    It’s almost as mysterious to me as Trump. I just do not get it.

  87. 87.

    MomSense

    July 30, 2019 at 8:28 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Does he have upper teeth? I know this is petty AF but I only ever see the guy’s lower teeth as he does his shouty routine.

  88. 88.

    James E Powell

    July 30, 2019 at 8:28 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    Unfortunately I feel a kind of McGovern-Mondale-Dukakis angst lately myself.

    Every one of those guys would have been a better president than the guy they lost to.

  89. 89.

    Raven

    July 30, 2019 at 8:28 pm

    @Leto: I surrender

  90. 90.

    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 8:28 pm

    Baud! 2020!: The Quiet Candidate.

  91. 91.

    zhena gogolia

    July 30, 2019 at 8:29 pm

    Oh, great, let’s spend the whole evening making Democrats yell about taking away your health insurance.

  92. 92.

    zhena gogolia

    July 30, 2019 at 8:29 pm

    Good, Elizabeth.

  93. 93.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 30, 2019 at 8:29 pm

    Gonna go fold some laundry. I’ll be back later. If I can stomach any more of this debate. Check your late local news for updates on my status.

  94. 94.

    MomSense

    July 30, 2019 at 8:29 pm

    @Ruviana:

    That’s a bad one, too.

  95. 95.

    zhena gogolia

    July 30, 2019 at 8:30 pm

    @James E Powell:

    Well, yes, I know, but they lost horribly. Do we want that again?

  96. 96.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 30, 2019 at 8:30 pm

    @MomSense: Just a baleen plate like some whales.

  97. 97.

    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 8:30 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    Did she shiv Bernie?

  98. 98.

    misterpuff

    July 30, 2019 at 8:30 pm

    Warren puts the hammer down on centrist/blue dog attacks by labelling them Republican talking points.

    We are Democrats we don’t want to take Healthcare away. That’s the Republicans.

    Yowsah!

  99. 99.

    Raven

    July 30, 2019 at 8:30 pm

    Bye liz

  100. 100.

    Ella in New Mexico

    July 30, 2019 at 8:30 pm

    @misterpuff:

    Warren puts the hammer down on centrist/blue dog attacks by labelling them Republican talking points.

    We are Democrats we don’t want to tgake Healthcare away. That’s the Republicans.

    I love how Liz Warren just brings it back to real every single time.

  101. 101.

    Leto

    July 30, 2019 at 8:30 pm

    @Baud: True, she did but just like Tom Steyer could do better taking his money and using it for all the down ballot races, same for Oprah.

  102. 102.

    zhena gogolia

    July 30, 2019 at 8:31 pm

    And as Warren is talking, they have a chyron about “raising taxes on the middle class.”

  103. 103.

    Cheryl Rofer

    July 30, 2019 at 8:31 pm

    Warren busting in on the fight "We should stop using Republican talking points" #demdebate

    — Tom LoBianco (@tomlobianco) July 31, 2019


    Delaney is the culprit.

  104. 104.

    zhena gogolia

    July 30, 2019 at 8:31 pm

    @Baud:

    No, Tapper.

  105. 105.

    FelonyGovt

    July 30, 2019 at 8:32 pm

    Why do they interrupt Warren after they let Bernie drone on and on?

  106. 106.

    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 8:32 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    I’ll allow it.

  107. 107.

    Yarrow

    July 30, 2019 at 8:32 pm

    Tapper asks Warren a Yes or No question. I thought they weren’t going to ask yes or no questions.

  108. 108.

    WaterGirl

    July 30, 2019 at 8:32 pm

    Love what Warren said about not using republican talking points. Of course, as I write this, the Bullock guy uses their talking points.

  109. 109.

    Anne Laurie

    July 30, 2019 at 8:32 pm

    Warren knocking Delaney for using "Republican talking points" was probably the end of Delaney's campaign.

    — Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) July 31, 2019

  110. 110.

    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 8:33 pm

    @Anne Laurie:

    Ok, that’s a good one.

  111. 111.

    Cheryl Rofer

    July 30, 2019 at 8:33 pm

    @Anne Laurie: Let us hope

  112. 112.

    ChrisH

    July 30, 2019 at 8:34 pm

    Feel like Tapper is cutting people off really quickly. I know there are ten people to get to but you have to allow some amount of nuance expressed. This is reminding me of Big Talk from Mitchell and Web https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr4ipujOv_E

  113. 113.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 30, 2019 at 8:34 pm

    I like how every candidate has just decided that they’re going to ignore Tapper’s question and say whatever they want.

  114. 114.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 30, 2019 at 8:34 pm

    @zhena gogolia: That’s what I said 4 years ago.

  115. 115.

    WaterGirl

    July 30, 2019 at 8:34 pm

    If I just type “condescending prick” does everyone know who I am referring to?

  116. 116.

    zhena gogolia

    July 30, 2019 at 8:35 pm

    I can’t watch this. The media just really, really want Trump to win.

  117. 117.

    MomSense

    July 30, 2019 at 8:35 pm

    @ChrisH:

    I can’t stand Tapper. He’s not nearly as straighshootery or intelligent as he thinks.

  118. 118.

    zhena gogolia

    July 30, 2019 at 8:35 pm

    @Baud:

    I thought that was directed at Tapper.

  119. 119.

    Raven

    July 30, 2019 at 8:35 pm

    @Yarrow: but the angry woman is cool.

  120. 120.

    Yarrow

    July 30, 2019 at 8:35 pm

    This debate is stressing me out. Tapper is cutting everyone off too quickly and they’re all so earnestly loud or yelling at each other.

  121. 121.

    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 8:35 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Not me this time, right?

  122. 122.

    Cheryl Rofer

    July 30, 2019 at 8:35 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: It’s what you do after a while if you have points to get across. I’ve even found myself doing it.

  123. 123.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 30, 2019 at 8:35 pm

    @Baud: Too quiet.

  124. 124.

    zhena gogolia

    July 30, 2019 at 8:36 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Too many choices! My top one would be Tapper.

  125. 125.

    misterpuff

    July 30, 2019 at 8:36 pm

    Tapper keeps mentioning “eliminating ins premiums” as part of the deal and that is the fact. Tax the companies that will have premium savings and the middle class will save.

  126. 126.

    TenguPhule

    July 30, 2019 at 8:36 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    We pause this exercise in American democracy to sell you some crap you don’t need.

    Democracy obviously bought too many bonbons, not enough dumbbells.

  127. 127.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 30, 2019 at 8:36 pm

    @WaterGirl: Can you narrow it down to just two or three from the four or five I’m thinking of?

    Thanks!

  128. 128.

    Yarrow

    July 30, 2019 at 8:36 pm

    @Raven: I like Warren a lot but she’s stressing me out too.

  129. 129.

    WaterGirl

    July 30, 2019 at 8:36 pm

    @Baud: Never!

  130. 130.

    Ohio Mom

    July 30, 2019 at 8:36 pm

    Okay, Bullock has succeeded in getting attention. Everybody has noticed him. Where is that curved pole from the cartoons that pulls someone off stage?

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    Cheryl Rofer

    July 30, 2019 at 8:36 pm

    These time limits are ridiculous. It's a debate. Let them debate.

    — Ezra Klein (@ezraklein) July 31, 2019

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    TenguPhule

    July 30, 2019 at 8:37 pm

    @Baud:

    Need a big gong.

    Where’s the trapdoor leading to the bottomless abyss?

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    Adam L Silverman

    July 30, 2019 at 8:37 pm

    What’s the over/under on Bernie having a coronary tonight?

  134. 134.

    misterpuff

    July 30, 2019 at 8:37 pm

    Nice one Bernie and Tapper shuts him down when he goes after their advertisers.

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    WaterGirl

    July 30, 2019 at 8:38 pm

    @zhena gogolia: @Adam L Silverman: I’ll give you Tapper as a good match for that description, but at that moment I was referring to a candidate.

  136. 136.

    Raven

    July 30, 2019 at 8:38 pm

    @Ohio Mom: it’s called the hook

  137. 137.

    TenguPhule

    July 30, 2019 at 8:38 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    If I just type “condescending prick” does everyone know who I am referring to?

    Sadly no. You have to be more specific. Are you talking about a candidate or CNN?

  138. 138.

    Jay

    July 30, 2019 at 8:38 pm

    I’m gonna catch up on my Aum Shinrikyo/QAnon readings.

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    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 30, 2019 at 8:38 pm

    Can we stop with the stories about people, as a candidate you 5 minutes it’s not a good use of time. AND WILL WILMER STOP YELLING?

  140. 140.

    Cheryl Rofer

    July 30, 2019 at 8:39 pm

    Go away, John Delaney

  141. 141.

    TenguPhule

    July 30, 2019 at 8:39 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    What’s the over/under on Bernie having a coronary tonight?

    Lousy. Good men die young, evil ones age to eternity.

  142. 142.

    WaterGirl

    July 30, 2019 at 8:39 pm

    Any candidate who wags their finger on stage should be immediately voted off the island.

  143. 143.

    TenguPhule

    July 30, 2019 at 8:39 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    AND WILL WILMER STOP YELLING?

    NO U! //

  144. 144.

    zhena gogolia

    July 30, 2019 at 8:40 pm

    Once again, I think I’ll be able to watch tomorrow night because Biden and Harris, even if they’re arguing with each other, are more restful than Warren and Sanders.

  145. 145.

    WaterGirl

    July 30, 2019 at 8:40 pm

    @TenguPhule: Hint: it’s one of the men.

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    Mary G

    July 30, 2019 at 8:40 pm

    Finally got the live stream to work and am sorry I did. These people are not doing it. The minor leaguers are going over time with mushy stuff. Bernie is shouty. Elizabeth Warren sounds a bit croaky. Jake Tapper is an asshole. Using words like “bold” or “pragmatic” should be punished with an electric shock.

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    FelonyGovt

    July 30, 2019 at 8:40 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Agree. They’re overusing the heartwarming personal story ploy.

  148. 148.

    Yarrow

    July 30, 2019 at 8:41 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    Biden and Harris, even if they’re arguing with each other, are more restful than Warren and Sanders.

    Agreed. Both Warren and Sanders are stressing me out.

    Marianne Williamson is like comic relief.

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    misterpuff

    July 30, 2019 at 8:41 pm

    What do they get like 20 sec? that is bull.

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    Cheryl Rofer

    July 30, 2019 at 8:41 pm

    Marianne Williamson has concerns.

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    Adam L Silverman

    July 30, 2019 at 8:41 pm

    Here’s some nice soothing Norwegian death metal to take our minds off of just how obnoxiously bad CNN, and specifically Jake Tapper, are at running this debate.

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    HeleninEire

    July 30, 2019 at 8:41 pm

    This conversation is too convoluted to follow. All they are doing is yelling at each other. Tapper is not helping. I have NO CLUE who is for what.

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    wasabi gasp

    July 30, 2019 at 8:42 pm

    Juck Take Fapper, jfc.

  154. 154.

    TenguPhule

    July 30, 2019 at 8:42 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Maybe you can get one made by the same folks that make the Vulcans for the A10 Warthogs. This way you can sedate all the extraneous candidates, the useless political reporters, and the obnoxiously worthless pundits all with one burst.

    Gonna need more ammunition.

  155. 155.

    FelonyGovt

    July 30, 2019 at 8:42 pm

    Shut up, Bernie. And why does Marianne Williamson sound llike a dippy 1940’s movie actress?

  156. 156.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 30, 2019 at 8:42 pm

    @WaterGirl: Still going to need a hint, there’s at least three of the candidates that I can make a case for.

  157. 157.

    TenguPhule

    July 30, 2019 at 8:42 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Hint: it’s one of the men.

    Yeah, that’s doesn’t narrow it down much.

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    Leto

    July 30, 2019 at 8:42 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: agreed.

    Sen Waggy Finger keeps going on about his time spent in Canada. Any checked his citizenship? /s

    Also Mayor Pete made a salient point.

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    joel hanes

    July 30, 2019 at 8:43 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    the Vulcans for the A10 Warthogs

    IIRC, when they fire that sucker, it appreciably slows the plane, and they have to throttle up.

    Or was that Puff the Magic Dragon on the Apache gunship?

    I grow old, I grow old
    I shall wear my neurons rolled

  160. 160.

    TenguPhule

    July 30, 2019 at 8:43 pm

    @HeleninEire:

    I have NO CLUE who is for what.

    I am for the first person who calls for Tapper’s skull as their wine cup.

  161. 161.

    WaterGirl

    July 30, 2019 at 8:43 pm

    holy shit, is Bernie’s face always that red?

  162. 162.

    Cheryl Rofer

    July 30, 2019 at 8:44 pm

    Go away, Tim Ryan

  163. 163.

    zhena gogolia

    July 30, 2019 at 8:44 pm

    @Leto:

    What was it?

  164. 164.

    FelonyGovt

    July 30, 2019 at 8:44 pm

    @Leto: Mayor Pete is actually coming out a lot better than most of the others.

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    misterpuff

    July 30, 2019 at 8:44 pm

    The time limit is bull. These are complicated issues that you have to explain to get at the differences, but if they gloss the pundits will say They were blowing smoke.
    This format does not fit Sen Warren’s style and rhythm

  166. 166.

    joel hanes

    July 30, 2019 at 8:44 pm

    @Yarrow:

    Why do people like this guy yelling at them?

    He’s an outsider, so not complicit in anything, or responsible for anything.
    Like his supporters.

  167. 167.

    Leto

    July 30, 2019 at 8:45 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: My son and I absolutely love those.

  168. 168.

    zhena gogolia

    July 30, 2019 at 8:45 pm

    @FelonyGovt:

    He’s good at being calm.

  169. 169.

    TenguPhule

    July 30, 2019 at 8:45 pm

    @misterpuff:

    The time limit is bull. These are complicated issues that you have to explain to get at the differences, but if they gloss the pundits will say They were blowing smoke.

    Who’s bright idea was it again to outsource a Democratic Debate to CNN?

  170. 170.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 30, 2019 at 8:45 pm

    @joel hanes: Despite being a senator for 30 years.

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    B.B.A.

    July 30, 2019 at 8:46 pm

    Not watching the debate, because fuck CNN, but tell me why I should pay attention to policy proposals that will never be enacted.

  172. 172.

    Ruviana

    July 30, 2019 at 8:46 pm

    Tonight the role of Chuck Todd will be played by Jake Tapper.

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    FelonyGovt

    July 30, 2019 at 8:46 pm

    Looking forward to the next debates when all the lower tier candidates are gone.

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    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 8:46 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    Agree. It’s his strength.

  175. 175.

    Yarrow

    July 30, 2019 at 8:46 pm

    @Leto: I like Mayor Pete’s point that no matter what kind of plan we put out the Republicans will say it’s a crazy soshulist plan so why not stand up for what we want.

  176. 176.

    Wakeshift

    July 30, 2019 at 8:46 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:
    It’s DemocraMetalocalypse

  177. 177.

    WaterGirl

    July 30, 2019 at 8:47 pm

    @FelonyGovt: YES!

  178. 178.

    Cheryl Rofer

    July 30, 2019 at 8:47 pm

    Gotta say that John Delaney’s name recognition is rising rapidly in my household as we yell “f*** John Delaney”

    — Paul Musgrave (@profmusgrave) July 31, 2019

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    Leto

    July 30, 2019 at 8:47 pm

    @zhena gogolia: Basically that regardless of what Dems propose (left/right/center), Republicans will paint it as far left/socialist. So who gives a shit what they think? Glad it was stated out loud.

    @FelonyGovt: Yeah, not getting into the shouting match is working in his favor. We’ll see how it plays out.

  180. 180.

    Yarrow

    July 30, 2019 at 8:47 pm

    @FelonyGovt: Mayor Pete speaking more calmly so in comparison to all the shouty people he seems like a breath of fresh air.

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    WaterGirl

    July 30, 2019 at 8:48 pm

    Beto is quiet tonight.

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    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    July 30, 2019 at 8:48 pm

    Bernie Sanders makes my skin crawl

  183. 183.

    Leto

    July 30, 2019 at 8:49 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: that’s what’s going on in our group chat: SHUT UP CANNED HAM!!!!

  184. 184.

    joel hanes

    July 30, 2019 at 8:49 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    His ways are subtle, and not to be questioned by mere Democrats.

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    cain

    July 30, 2019 at 8:49 pm

    The Dems got the debate that CNN wanted, but the Tapper’s optics are terrible.

  186. 186.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 30, 2019 at 8:49 pm

    @Leto: They did a good job, especially with the second one, animating to the song. He’s the actual video for Murmader that Deathlok uses in their concerts, which is just weird:

  187. 187.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 30, 2019 at 8:50 pm

    @Wakeshift: Exactamundo!

  188. 188.

    cain

    July 30, 2019 at 8:51 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Twitter is getting pissed off at Tapper who apparently wants to create a WWF style debate. I’m that asshat is enjoying himself and Chuck Todd is stroking himself to starbursts because the optics are so good.

  189. 189.

    joel hanes

    July 30, 2019 at 8:51 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    WILL WILMER STOP YELLING?

    Leopard change spots.
    Old dog.

    No.
    SATSQ

  190. 190.

    M31

    July 30, 2019 at 8:52 pm

    CNN is such trash. I tried to be a good citizen and watch, but just can’t.

  191. 191.

    Leto

    July 30, 2019 at 8:52 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Booked marked for later! Thanks!

  192. 192.

    cain

    July 30, 2019 at 8:52 pm

    @cain:
    Oops sorry, I fear the John G. Cole attitude has gotten into me.

  193. 193.

    WaterGirl

    July 30, 2019 at 8:53 pm

    My choice for Mr. Biggest Condescending Prick is speaking right now.

    And they never cut him off. Interesting.

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    FelonyGovt

    July 30, 2019 at 8:53 pm

    Bullock is kind of condescending, isnt he.

  195. 195.

    TenguPhule

    July 30, 2019 at 8:53 pm

    ACLU: More than 900 migrant children and parents separated since judge ordered practice curtailed

    A reminder that Trump, ICE and every one of those fuckers involved in this atrocity are defying the courts openly.

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    Yarrow

    July 30, 2019 at 8:54 pm

    This debate is so stressful. If I just wanted to learn a few things about the candidates to make a decision I think I’d turn it off. All the yelling is exhausting.

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    laura

    July 30, 2019 at 8:54 pm

    @Baud: @Wakeshift: Robert Murderface/Tookie 2020!

  198. 198.

    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 8:54 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Good choice.

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    WaterGirl

    July 30, 2019 at 8:54 pm

    I’d like everyone to stop name dropping Barack Obama, please.

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    FelonyGovt

    July 30, 2019 at 8:55 pm

    @WaterGirl: YES

  201. 201.

    Yarrow

    July 30, 2019 at 8:55 pm

    @WaterGirl: Who’s that? Bullock?

  202. 202.

    cain

    July 30, 2019 at 8:55 pm

    @WaterGirl:
    It’s like they are trying to influence who we should pick. Bastards. They are not kingmakers!

  203. 203.

    HeleninEire

    July 30, 2019 at 8:56 pm

    This is how much I am hating this. I’m going to the gym instead!!!! See y’all on the other side.

  204. 204.

    WaterGirl

    July 30, 2019 at 8:56 pm

    Does anyone know? Will they be handing out the boxing gloves at a commercial break or at intermission?

  205. 205.

    Leto

    July 30, 2019 at 8:57 pm

    Oh goodie, for some reason we need to hear from the vibrating crystal… (Lolol, “please come back to me this time”… no.)

  206. 206.

    Yarrow

    July 30, 2019 at 8:58 pm

    Come 2024 it’s hard to see why either party would have these networks host primary debates and manufacture internecine fights rather than just own them and partner with YouTube or whoever.— Tim Miller (@Timodc) July 31, 2019

    No kidding.

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    hilts

    July 30, 2019 at 9:00 pm

    @Ella in New Mexico:

    Also, too Warren has way more gravitas than Biden.

  208. 208.

    joel hanes

    July 30, 2019 at 9:00 pm

    Where have you gone, League of Women Voters ?
    Our nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

  209. 209.

    Mary G

    July 30, 2019 at 9:01 pm

    Mayor Pete is really young.

  210. 210.

    joel hanes

    July 30, 2019 at 9:01 pm

    What’s that you say, Marianne Williamson ?
    crystals vibes jade eggs and Oprah too …
    woo woo woo

  211. 211.

    B.B.A.

    July 30, 2019 at 9:02 pm

    @hilts: My 1-year-old niece has more gravitas than Biden.

  212. 212.

    WaterGirl

    July 30, 2019 at 9:02 pm

    @Yarrow: Ding ding ding.

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    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 9:02 pm

    Bullock is having a good riff here.

  214. 214.

    Yarrow

    July 30, 2019 at 9:05 pm

    Guess I’m not alone in not liking the yelling.

    Bernie Sanders's yelling is frightening my son— Elliot Williams (@elliotcwilliams) July 31, 2019

  215. 215.

    Yarrow

    July 30, 2019 at 9:07 pm

    Bullock comes across like, “why am I having to debate these people? I’m better than this.” Very off-putting.

  216. 216.

    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 9:07 pm

    I feel like no one is standing out.

  217. 217.

    Yarrow

    July 30, 2019 at 9:07 pm

    @Baud: The yelling is winning.

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    Keith P.

    July 30, 2019 at 9:08 pm

    @B.B.A.: Yeah, but Biden can do more push-ups.

  219. 219.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    July 30, 2019 at 9:08 pm

    @Baud: clearly Tim Ryan is the tallest

  220. 220.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 30, 2019 at 9:08 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Rules?! In a knife fight?!

  221. 221.

    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 9:08 pm

    @Keith P.:

    Loud is in fashion. Listen to cable news. It’s all so loud.

  222. 222.

    WaterGirl

    July 30, 2019 at 9:09 pm

    @Baud: I feel like the smart, thoughtful candidates are standing out.

  223. 223.

    Mary G

    July 30, 2019 at 9:09 pm

    Everyone on this stage is getting short-changed by the clock. I'll say it again: Democrats, your party leaders were idiots for allowing this format.#DemDebate— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) July 31, 2019

  224. 224.

    MomSense

    July 30, 2019 at 9:09 pm

    This debate is terrible. I think 75% of the blame goes to the moderators. The format doesn’t allow for calm responses. Too shouty and too many dead end candidates.

  225. 225.

    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 9:09 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    I tuned in a bit late.

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    satby

    July 30, 2019 at 9:10 pm

    @WaterGirl: well, that leaves Wilmer out ???

  227. 227.

    HRA

    July 30, 2019 at 9:10 pm

    @Baud:

    I feel the same way – no one is standing out.

  228. 228.

    hilts

    July 30, 2019 at 9:11 pm

    @Mary G:

    Mayor Pete is really young and he’s sure as hell more presidential than Biden.

  229. 229.

    Mary G

    July 30, 2019 at 9:11 pm

    @Yarrow: @Baud: Gotta agree with Yarrow. Bullock is putting me off with the condescending tone.

  230. 230.

    WaterGirl

    July 30, 2019 at 9:11 pm

    @MomSense: Yes. Way too many dead end candidates. The good thing is that not a single one of the dead end candidates is particularly making their mark tonight, even though that is what each of the low-end candidates needs to do tonight to stay in the game after tonight.

  231. 231.

    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 9:12 pm

    @Mary G:

    His tone is off putting. But I thought he had a short nice moment.

  232. 232.

    zhena gogolia

    July 30, 2019 at 9:12 pm

    But I felt that in the second debate last time, Harris’s mellow voice really helped her take command. I wonder if that will happen tomorrow night. Her voice is just soothing.

  233. 233.

    Yarrow

    July 30, 2019 at 9:13 pm

    I kind of like Hickenlooper. He seems like a happy, upbeat guy. I also like that about Kamala Harris.

  234. 234.

    WaterGirl

    July 30, 2019 at 9:13 pm

    @Mary G: Yep. If Bullock was the new hire to be director of somewhere I worked, I would be dusting off my resume in a heartbeat. I have no tolerance for arrogant blowhards.

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    FelonyGovt

    July 30, 2019 at 9:14 pm

    Mayor Pete is impressing the hell out of me tonight.

    And yes, I can’t stand all the shouting.

  236. 236.

    hilts

    July 30, 2019 at 9:14 pm

    @B.B.A.:

    My 1-year-old niece has more gravitas than Biden.

    I believe you.

  237. 237.

    Duane

    July 30, 2019 at 9:14 pm

    @MomSense: I thought of one. “Cowtowel.” Also sick of the phrase ” The American People.” Some originality would be nice.

  238. 238.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 30, 2019 at 9:14 pm

    @Mary G: He is not wrong. This is what happens when the DNC lets Nina Turner, Jon Zogby, and Nomiki Konst run roughshod over the Democratic Party on Bernie’s behalf. This entire process and format is because Turner, Zogby, and Konst pushed for in the 2017 DNC meetings to try to fix what supposedly went wrong in 2016. What the DNC should’ve told them was “there’s the door, don’t let it hit you on the ass on the way out”.

  239. 239.

    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 9:14 pm

    I think I hate Tim Ryan most.

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    WaterGirl

    July 30, 2019 at 9:16 pm

    This is where Beto is speaking up with confidence after the poll that just came out of Texas, which was really excellent for him.

  241. 241.

    misterpuff

    July 30, 2019 at 9:16 pm

    Beto. News Flash You Lost to Ted Cruz.

  242. 242.

    FelonyGovt

    July 30, 2019 at 9:17 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Agreed. This clusterfuck isn’t doing us any favors.

  243. 243.

    WaterGirl

    July 30, 2019 at 9:17 pm

    @Baud: I think I love you most of all, Scarecrow.

  244. 244.

    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 9:17 pm

    Warren did good there.

  245. 245.

    satby

    July 30, 2019 at 9:17 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: and ironically, it’s helping sink Shouty McFingerwagger this round, because he looks like the crabby old fart he is. Karma.

  246. 246.

    WaterGirl

    July 30, 2019 at 9:18 pm

    There’s a soundbite from Elizabeth Warren.

  247. 247.

    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 9:18 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    You saying I don’t have a brain?

  248. 248.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 30, 2019 at 9:19 pm

    @WaterGirl: Me?

  249. 249.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 30, 2019 at 9:19 pm

    @satby: Which is why his people have been bitching there are too many debates, with too many candidates. He and his trusted agents are like the proverbial dog who caught the car. They’ve got their teeth in the rear bumper and now have no idea what to do as they’re dragged along.

  250. 250.

    Carolina Dave

    July 30, 2019 at 9:20 pm

    Boom! Delaney, goes down. What says Cheryl?

  251. 251.

    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 9:20 pm

    Warren v. Delaney seems like an odd matchup to highlight.

  252. 252.

    Ohio Mom

    July 30, 2019 at 9:20 pm

    Touché Warren: Why run to harp on what we can’t do?

  253. 253.

    something fabulous

    July 30, 2019 at 9:20 pm

    @WaterGirl: Tapper? :)

  254. 254.

    jl

    July 30, 2019 at 9:20 pm

    @Baud: Warren is doing well. Also, seems like she passed up a couple of moderator prompts to go after Sanders, which I think was smart.

  255. 255.

    zhena gogolia

    July 30, 2019 at 9:21 pm

    @FelonyGovt:

    The good news is most people are ignoring it.

  256. 256.

    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 9:21 pm

    Bernie’s arms could be a source of clean energy.

  257. 257.

    Captain C

    July 30, 2019 at 9:21 pm

    Delaney looked like his head was ready to explode when Warren was speaking. Also, he sounds like a Republican.

  258. 258.

    Mary G

    July 30, 2019 at 9:21 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Agree 100%. Bernie isn’t a Democrat and has no business in their primary, especially how badly he let his people act up in 2016..

    This is a good thread:

    Break time! What I’d like to see from the candidates:- Warren: more discipline (too long on answers)- Bernie: something less predictable- Pete: less naivety – Beto: fewer clichés- Everyone else: silence#DemocraticDebate #DAMEtheDebates— Kaitlin Byrd (@GothamGirlBlue) July 31, 2019

  259. 259.

    FelonyGovt

    July 30, 2019 at 9:21 pm

    @satby: I agree, I think he looks and sounds terrible, but I’m biased because I already hate him.

  260. 260.

    satby

    July 30, 2019 at 9:21 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: aint it grand??

  261. 261.

    Immanentize

    July 30, 2019 at 9:23 pm

    How did the crowd get stuffed with Bernie Bros?

  262. 262.

    Immanentize

    July 30, 2019 at 9:23 pm

    @Baud:
    That is really excellent

  263. 263.

    Ohio Mom

    July 30, 2019 at 9:23 pm

    @Captain C: Ohio Dad asked jokingly if Delaney is a Republican plant.

  264. 264.

    jl

    July 30, 2019 at 9:23 pm

    But debate started with standard ‘how can you commie Democrats win’ question.
    And another attempt ‘why don’t you Democrats attack each other’ question to Klobuchar’ which she also seems to be passing on. And I think she just got in an implied diss of moderator’s attempt to get them to just fight and attack each other.

  265. 265.

    Mary G

    July 30, 2019 at 9:23 pm

    Ooh EW brings the heat and tells the truth.

  266. 266.

    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 9:24 pm

    Delaney is getting a lot of air time, no?

  267. 267.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 30, 2019 at 9:24 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: He and his trusted agents are like the proverbial dog who caught the car. They’ve got their teeth in the rear bumper and now have no idea what to do as they’re dragged along.

    for which they will loudly blame everyone else

  268. 268.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 30, 2019 at 9:24 pm

    @joel hanes:

    IIRC, when they fire that sucker, it appreciably slows the plane, and they have to throttle up.

    They appear to nearly stop in the air and then you hear the canvas ripping sound.

  269. 269.

    satby

    July 30, 2019 at 9:25 pm

    @FelonyGovt: I hate the fucker almost as much as I hate TOTUS and Moscow Mitch.

    @Mary G: The mayor is young, yes, but naive he isn’t.

  270. 270.

    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 9:25 pm

    New thread.

  271. 271.

    MomSense

    July 30, 2019 at 9:25 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Too much fighting over policies. The president will have more room to maneuver on foreign policy and trade than the minutiae of health care. Whatever gets through the gauntlet of all the committees is not going to adhere to any of the plans being offered tonight.

  272. 272.

    Cheryl Rofer

    July 30, 2019 at 9:25 pm

    @Baud: I’m looking forward to the accounting of how much air time everyone got. Delaney and Bullock are taking up far too much of it.

  273. 273.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 30, 2019 at 9:26 pm

    @B.B.A.: You can do whatever the fuck you want.

  274. 274.

    Baud

    July 30, 2019 at 9:26 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Agree. Hickenlopper too.

  275. 275.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 30, 2019 at 9:27 pm

    @satby: Until they split the general election vote when he doesn’t get the nomination and the President loses the popular vote overwhelmingly while eking out a second electoral college victory.

  276. 276.

    misterpuff

    July 30, 2019 at 9:29 pm

    Tim Ryan wants Mfg Czar…more positions for the Corporate Swamp Dwellers

  277. 277.

    FelonyGovt

    July 30, 2019 at 9:29 pm

    @satby: It’s kind of refreshing how young he is. John Kennedy was very young too.

  278. 278.

    WaterGirl

    July 30, 2019 at 9:30 pm

    @Baud: That was my far-too-oblique reference to the film after the wording of your comment reminded me of that line in the Wizard of Os.

    @Omnes Omnibus: Sorry, but it’s Bullock.

  279. 279.

    hilts

    July 30, 2019 at 9:30 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    I agree with Ezra Wonkistan. These time constraints are fucking bullshit and the cable news asswipes need to adopt a more sensible approach with respect to the debate format,

  280. 280.

    satby

    July 30, 2019 at 9:31 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: don’t think that’s as likely this time. Even the very few Bern or busters I’m acquainted with are as vested in the “or bust” part.

  281. 281.

    Leto

    July 30, 2019 at 9:31 pm

    @Baud: I thought that too. Not sure why. Generic white guy saying republican lite talking points.

  282. 282.

    FelonyGovt

    July 30, 2019 at 9:32 pm

    Bernie’s pointy finger is incredibly annoying.

  283. 283.

    Amir Khalid

    July 30, 2019 at 9:33 pm

    The Massachusetts senator emphasized that any of the Democrats onstage would make a better president than Trump

    I have spent much of my morning with Missy*, figuring out the chorus of Imagine — from “You may say I’m a dreamer, but I’m not the only one” (the Ultimate Guitar chord charts suck big time) And I’ve skipped most of the comments, so apologies if this has already been said: I agree with Warren, as far as Wilmer goes.
    *Missy is my Yamaha f310 acoustic.

  284. 284.

    Juju

    July 30, 2019 at 9:33 pm

    Someone should tell Bernie the taxi is on the way.

  285. 285.

    Leto

    July 30, 2019 at 9:33 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: double ripping sound. One of the scariest sounds I’ve ever heard.

  286. 286.

    Ruckus

    July 30, 2019 at 9:34 pm

    Reading the blog has got to be a hell of a lot more fun than watching this “debate.”
    I made the decision not to watch. Every once in a while I make a good call. And not it’s not luck, just the law of the least averages.

  287. 287.

    FelonyGovt

    July 30, 2019 at 9:36 pm

    @Ruckus: You definitely made the right decision.

  288. 288.

    Duane

    July 30, 2019 at 9:36 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I appreciate your self-awareness.//

  289. 289.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 30, 2019 at 9:38 pm

    @WaterGirl: I guess I need to up my game.

  290. 290.

    Ruckus

    July 30, 2019 at 9:41 pm

    @FelonyGovt:
    I’ll watch when we get down to actual candidates that have a fucking clue. And an actual chance of going the distance. Sounds to me that out of all the contestants on tonight’s game show only EW and mayor Pete did somewhat OK and will probably take home the prize of a dead fish. The rest only get the stink.

  291. 291.

    Chief Oshkosh

    July 30, 2019 at 9:43 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    Gonna need more ammunition.

    And a bigger boat.

  292. 292.

    Ruckus

    July 30, 2019 at 9:53 pm

    @hilts:
    It’s a game show to them. They don’t seem to want any democratic candidates to even run so they do everything but have an actual debate about any issues. Because that would show up their never ending bullshit conservative talking points. Even if they don’t want trump, they don’t want any democrat either. What they really want is Ronnie without the dementia. Some well known actor who can read a script and knows all the marks and will take direction well. They really aren’t any different than trump, they think the world really is a TV show.

  293. 293.

    Mike in DC

    July 30, 2019 at 9:54 pm

    I look forward to not seeing most of these candidates at the September debate.

  294. 294.

    FelonyGovt

    July 30, 2019 at 9:59 pm

    CNN is doing an especially bad job here.

  295. 295.

    joel hanes

    July 30, 2019 at 10:00 pm

    @FelonyGovt:

    CNN is doing an especially bad job here

    Default state for over a decade.

  296. 296.

    Miss Bianca

    July 30, 2019 at 10:11 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    My money is on Williamson snapping and spree killing all of them with a crystal, some incense, and I Ching sticks.

    I feel like I should not be fucking laughing at this as hard as I am – dammit, Adam!

  297. 297.

    Miss Bianca

    July 30, 2019 at 10:22 pm

    @Mary G: I hate agreeing with fucking TOM NICHOLS, for fuck’s sake. That is so wrong.

    @Adam L Silverman: A-fucking-men.

  298. 298.

    misterpuff

    July 30, 2019 at 10:25 pm

    Bullock Just Bombed, Dropped the Football and Lost the Package. I repeat Lost The Package.

  299. 299.

    Just One More Canuck

    July 30, 2019 at 10:35 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: well, you are “Florida Man” after all

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