Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Fight them, without becoming them!

The willow is too close to the house.

This year has been the longest three days of putin’s life.

Donald Jessica Trump found guilty as fuck – May 30, 2024!

Accountability, motherfuckers.

Republicans can’t even be trusted with their own money.

Can we lighten up on the doomsday scenarios?

Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Bad people in a position to do bad things will do bad things because they are bad people. End of story.

The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.

Peak wingnut was a lie.

Historically it was a little unusual for the president to be an incoherent babbling moron.

Wake up. Grow up. Get in the fight.

Today’s gop: why go just far enough when too far is right there?

Hot air and ill-informed banter

The republican speaker is a slippery little devil.

We still have time to mess this up!

fuckem (in honor of the late great efgoldman)

Optimism opens the door to great things.

Our job is not to persuade republicans but to defeat them.

The party of Reagan has become the party of Putin.

A snarling mass of vitriolic jackals

So many bastards, so little time.

One of our two political parties is a cult whose leader admires Vladimir Putin.

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You watching the debate tonight? I will, if I have power. It’s off and on today due to thunderstorms. (I missed the second half of the last debate because of a thunderstorm!)

Dave Weigel’s debate preview in The Post is here. My guess is Sanders will be extra shouty. But that’s like predicting thunderstorms in Florida in July.

Open thread!

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  1. 1.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    I’ll probably check in from time to time. I’m developing a distaste for primary debates, especially these huge ones, too much long term risk for the eventual nominee, especially with the collection of cranks and deluded no-hopers we have this time around.

  2. 2.

    Dopey-o

    Is there a thunderstorm goddess who can make the TV stop? I want names and contact info. Extra points if She can block certain Twitter users.

  3. 3.

    FelonyGovt

    I will be watching. I’ve decided not to go to the local watch party, because last time I missed a lot because of all the in-person chatter.

  4. 4.

    humboldtblue

    Newsom signs tax return law

    California to President Trump and all future presidents: Release your taxes

    Governor Newsom signs nation’s first Presidential Tax Transparency bill into law

    Sacramento, CA – California sent a clear message to the Trump administration today: Stop with the obstruction and release your tax returns, or, we’ll do it for you. Governor Gavin Newsom signed Senator Mike McGuire and Scott Wiener’s landmark Presidential Tax Transparency Bill into law today. The law will require all presidential candidates, and candidates for the Governor of California to release their tax returns prior to being placed on the California ballot.

    “If he has nothing to hide, President Trump shouldn’t be afraid to give American voters what they want, a copy of his tax returns. We know that over 60% of Americans want the president to release his returns, just like every presidential candidate has done for the past 40 years,” Senator Mike McGuire said. “This commonsense legislation applies equally to all candidates, from all political parties, including the Governor of California. We’re grateful to Governor Newsom, who proactively released his tax returns during the Gubernatorial campaign, for signing this transparency bill into law.

    California is the first state in the nation to approve Presidential Tax Transparency legislation. SB 27 was supported by California’s Secretary of State Alex Padilla.

    “All Americans deserve to know that the President is working for their best interest and not just for his own,” said Senator Wiener. “This was never about any single candidate, but about maintaining and strengthening the norms of our democracy. Come 2020 any presidential candidate who hopes to appear on the California ballot will have to show that they will not be using the office of the president, our highest office, for self-gain.”

    The Presidential Tax Transparency & Accountability Act will require basic tax information to be shared with California residents and require that all presidential candidates, and candidates for the Governor, release the last five years of their tax returns in order to appear on the California ballot. The returns will be made available to the public on the Secretary of State’s website.

    Prior to Donald Trump’s refusal to release any tax returns, every president since Jimmy Carter (over 40 years) had released at least one year of tax returns. During the 2016 Presidential election, Hillary Clinton (Democratic) and Jill Stein (Green) both released their tax returns.

    Contrary to President Trump’s statements in public that Americans don’t care about his tax returns, polls have consistently shown over 60 percent of Americans believe his returns should be released.

    “By the power of the US Constitution, states have the right to determine ballot access requirements. Senator Wiener and I have had numerous constitutional scholars consult with us over the past many months and they have determined this bill is constitutional in all aspects. That said, this is a fight worth having in the courts and we look forward to making the clear case and following through with the will of the American people,” Senator McGuire said.

    Included in this year’s Presidential Tax Transparency bill is an urgency clause so the legislation will take effect immediately, prior to the filing deadline for 2020 Presidential candidates.

  5. 5.

    Betty Cracker

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Good point about the cranks and no-hopers. People laugh at Williamson, as well they should because she is a crackpot who has no business being on that stage. But even through she’ll never be the nominee, she has the potential to hurt whoever is. We’ve got to figure out a better winnowing process.

  7. 7.

    Betty Cracker

    @FelonyGovt: I am more than 60 miles away from the nearest Warren watch party, so I’m hosting my own with probably the only two people in this ZIP code who support Warren: myself and the mister. :)

  8. 8.

    Droppy

    I want to watch a good Seth-Myers-ish closer look at the debates, not the debates themselves. Do you suppose he could do that in real time somehow? I wish we could get down to 5 or 6 of them and let them fight it out. I hardly even care which ones at this point – although (and I can say this is a kind of old guy) I wish the old guys would drop out.

  9. 9.

    Martin

    So, Trump not being on the ballot has no impact on Trumps EC because he’s going to lose by at least 30 points anyway. But that’s some epic suppression of Republican turnout that will impact downballot races. Here’s the impacted House GOPs:

    Doug LaMalfa
    Tom McClintock
    Paul Cook
    Devin Nunes
    Kevin McCarthy
    Ken Calvert
    Duncan Hunter

    I’m assuming that Hunter is in custody before the next election. Nunes may go to DNI. The Minority leader creates a real problem for Trump . I mean, I’m pretty pleased with 46D/7R, but I think we can push that a bit farther yet.

  11. 11.

    Princess

    Weigel: “Tonight’s 10-candidate Democratic debate in the Fox Theatre will be a major media event and a pivotal moment in the presidential primary. And it’s not expected to change much of anything.”

    What the F is that supposed to mean? It will be both pivotal and not change anything? What will it pivot? This is terrible writing.

  14. 14.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Betty Cracker: I saw somewhere this morning that Tulsi Gabbard is planning to go after Harris. Rumors about Booker and Gillibrand taking aim at Biden

    @Quantumman: again, Tulsi Gabbard

  16. 16.

    pacem appellant

    Are thunderstorms in July a Florida thing? I have fond memories of some beautiful thunderstorms in Michigan in July. Out west, we’re not prone to weather this time of year (and some geographies, no time of year).

  18. 18.

    jl

    @Quantumman: Sanders has repeatedly promised to support the Democratic nominee, even if a centrist like Biden gets it. So, Sanders can cause a lot of trouble in other ways. But Sanders going third party probably shouldn’t be on top of the list.

    But if you decide to put it at the top of the list, what can you do about it? I’d suggest supporting through donations and any campaign work you can do, one of the other candidates who is more or less as progressive as Sanders (Warren) or moving in a progressive direction from a center-left stance (Harris). That will reduce Sanders’ influence and reduce damage he can do later on. IMHO.

  19. 19.

    Baud

    The only thing I’m interested in tonight is whether Bernie thinks it’s time to attack Warren, and how she’ll respond if he does.

    I don’t think he’ll decide now is the right time, however.

  20. 20.

    Fair Economist

    @Martin: It only affects the primary ballot, not the general. It probably won’t mean much in 2020 as Sanders has released his taxes (finally!) and no Republican can beat Trump even with Trump not allowed to run in California. It will still help Democrats due to the jungle primary in most races.

  21. 21.

    pacem appellant

    @Martin: If the law is upheld (and I hope it is), it’ll mean some crank will get CA’s Republican primary delegates. And unless the GOP changes the rules of their convention, it should make for an interesting time.

  22. 22.

    dmsilev

    @Martin: According to the LA Times’ coverage, the requirement is for access to the _primary_ ballot, not the general. Keeping Trump off the Presidential primary ballot here isn’t going to do much to turnout since it’s not like he’s going to have any serious challengers at that stage.

  28. 28.

    VeniceRiley

    @Betty Cracker: The downthread mention of the new California tax return disclosure in order to get on the ballot is something I am looking forward to for this reason in addition to the stated reason. It will reduce the number of cranks and attention seekers and such with no hope of winning from getting on the ballot. that should help if adopted elsewhere.
    The Dem Party should have made it one of the debate requirement hurdles.

  29. 29.

    dmsilev

    And not planning on watching the debate; it’s at an inconvenient time for me; I have to be at work until nearly 6 today, so by the time I get home it’ll be over halfway done. Might watch at least some of tomorrow’s though.

  30. 30.

    jl

    @Baud: If Sanders attacks Warren tonight, then he is as inept a politician and campaigner as Baud 2020! Which would be bad for Sanders, since he claims he wants to win, unlike Baud 2020!

    From the swings in the polls, I think the really big movements have been between more progressive candidates as a whole versus more centrist candidates. Despite uninformed babble from supposedly very informed news pundits, Sanders and Warren appeal to different segments of the electorate for the plurality of their support. A lot of Warren supporters are not going to automatically go to Sanders if he attacks her and she gets seriously damaged.

    If Sanders is smart, he’ll work with Warren to attack centrists. And if both of them beat up on the other people on the stage, who mostly have absolutely no hope, the runts will drop out more quickly which I think would be a good thing.

  31. 31.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @donnah:

    Absolutely stunning! Is this destined for a specific place, as Christopher Robin was for the public library?

    Do you have a photo gallery of your rugs? I’ve seen this one and the CR, but I don’t think any others.

  33. 33.

    FlyingToaster

    I doubt I’ll be available tonight. Warren’s been trying to get me to an in-person event hereabouts forever, but that won’t be happening given the hellscape that is Chez Toaster right now:

    WarriorGirl: DayCamp & Violin
    HerrDoktor: Medical annoyances meaning he’s not available for either housework or yardwork, and rarely for transportation for WG
    Me: Transporting WG and trying to keep up with housework, yardwork, and cataloging at the school library. So in between folding the laundry and permuting the dishwasher, I’ll likely be trying to catch up on Grantchester.

  35. 35.

    Doug R

    We had a power bump here in the last debate, it was while Biden was talking so I didn’t miss any fireworks.
    I would suggest having all the laptops and phones charged up and switching to teh interwebs if the power goes out.
    I’m sure youtube will have all the best parts up tomorrow, CNN is pretty good about sharing the good parts as well.

  37. 37.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    So surprise, surprise Boris the Bad has promised Welsh farmer financial aid if his “no deal” Brexit causes them harm. Sound familiar? Boris is Trump but with an Eton education.

  38. 38.

    Roger Moore

    @Quantumman:
    What third party would take Bernie on as a candidate? The only third party that’s likely to be on the ballot in important states and is at all ideologically compatible with Bernie is the Greens, and I think they’re going to nominate their own cult leader rather than some outsider. And forget about him trying to qualify for the ballot as an independent candidate if he fails to win the Democratic nomination; there timeline makes it very difficult.

  39. 39.

    Mandalay

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Rumors about Booker and Gillibrand taking aim at Biden

    Gillibrand damn well better start going after Biden.

    Her silence on the past behavior of Joe “Handsy” Biden has been deafening. So much for her “zero tolerance”.

  41. 41.

    Mary G

    @donnah: Glorious! Beautiful design beautifully executed. I cheer myself up with videos of dogs greeting returning soldiers. I missed what you are going to do with it?

  44. 44.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Alex Thompson @ AlxThomp
    Bernie email blast w/ subject line “Kamala Harris”

    Paul Krugman Retweeted Alex Thompson
    This, from the Sanders campaign, exemplifies everything wrong with that campaign — smearing (and misrepresenting) a reasonable proposal that would make the US system resemble several successful European systems. Advocating pure single-payer is fine; smearing alternatives isn’t

    Short version: David Sirota is telling Bernie’s followers that Harris wants to “privatize Medicare”, and pretending he hasn’t seen the polls that show Bernie’s version of M4A is pretty damn unpopular

  45. 45.

    humboldtblue

    @Betty Cracker:

    Opponents argue it violates the Constitution’s first amendment right of association and the Supremes have shot down other attempts to enact requirements for ballots when it comes to congressional races. There stands a good chance it gets shot down.

  47. 47.

    zhena gogolia

    @Baud:

    He’s a coward just like Drumpf.

    Whatever you think of Warren or Harris, they’re not cowards.

  48. 48.

    Baud

    @jl:

    Like I said, I think it’s unlikely, but if a stray bird finds its way into the auditorium, all bets are off.

  49. 49.

    jl

    Also, I think tonight it’s Sanders and Warren with mostly a bunch of centrist White dudes who are non-entities in terms of interesting policy or electoral chances, and I think that includes O’Rourke at this point.

    And Buttigieg and O’Rourke have been offering much vaguer and more centrist policy proposals in areas of most interest to Sanders and Warren. So, I think both Sanders and Warren’s ire will naturally find its way to the others on the stage. I expect Sanders to be extra shouty and dismissive, but not at Warren. But I could be wrong, if Sanders turns out not to be a clever campaigner. In 2016 he didn’t need to be, so his performance then doesn’t tell us much.

  51. 51.

    Ella in New Mexico

    @Mandalay:

    Gillibrand damn well better start going after Biden.

    Her silence on the past behavior of Joe “Handsy” Biden has been deafening. So much for her “zero tolerance”.

    Seriously? You really want her to spend her 4:45 to rehash a dead issue? Nothing even a little bit more important you want to hear from her or Biden about?

    And on the off chance he actually wins the nomination, you want to hand a video of that clash as ammo to the TrumpCult than they already will gin up?

    Reminds me of what Sanders did last time around. And we know how THAT worked out…

  52. 52.

    jl

    @Baud: History may hang on the tiniest things. Will the bird land on Sander’s finger and give us St Francis moment, or will it get caught in his hair? Only God knows. I’ll go check his twitter feed for clues.

  53. 53.

    Jay

    Really?Because yesterday America woke up to the aftermath of a synagogue shooting and *another* white supremacist spree shooting.But sure, let's talk about how it's antifa that's going to destabilize the US with their imaginary concrete milkshakes. https://t.co/qZrMFzEP0M— Gwen Snyder is uncivil (@gwensnyderPHL) July 30, 2019

  54. 54.

    James E Powell

    I may try to watch, but I always get agita from these press/media managed events when they show their contempt for truth, justice, and the American voters. Does anyone expect anything good to come from Jake Tapper? At what point do you think Chuck Todd will call it an optics disaster? How soon after it starts will Maggie Haberman disparage its news value?

    The first one drew 15.3 million. Do you think there will be more viewers tonight?

  55. 55.

    oatler.

    @James E Powell: As for Chuck Todd, his “both sides” angle has been successful; both sides hate him.
    “Keep a foot in both camps and they’ll build the barbed wire right through you.”

  56. 56.

    socraticsilence

    I wanted Biden and Sanders on the same stage to see if Biden could bait Sanders into destroying his already slim chances at the nomination by attacking Obama. You know Sanders wants to, he called for a 2012 Primary challenge, I want to see if he can resist taking a shot that will essentially end any chance he has of winning the nomination.

  57. 57.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Dopey-o:

    Is there a thunderstorm goddess who can make the TV channels selectively stop?

    Fixed it. No charge. :)

  61. 61.

    The Moar You Know

    Governor Newsom signs nation’s first Presidential Tax Transparency bill into law

    The first lawsuit on this won’t be from Trump. It’ll be from Sanders. I think the 9th will uphold it. I doubt the Supremes will, because apparently Southern states are totes OK to exclude blacks from voting, but California can’t ask to see if you’re paid up on your taxes.

    Seriously? You really want her to spend her 4:45 to rehash a dead issue? Nothing even a little bit more important you want to hear from her or Biden about?

    @Ella in New Mexico: The Sanders supporter wants Biden kneecapped at all costs. So there is nothing else they want to hear about. At all.

  64. 64.

    O. Felix Culpa

    Our county Democratic Party is hosting watch parties tonight and tomorrow night, so I am condemned to go.

  65. 65.

    Gravenstone

    @donnah: You are so extraordinarily talented with that medium! I dabbled in latch hooking when I was in HS far too many years ago, because it was a bit of fad at the time. Based on that tiny bit of hands on experience, I’m in awe of what you’re able to accomplish.

  68. 68.

    mrmoshpotato

    OT – has anyone else looked at Cole’s recent tweets? From guac to post-childbirth surgery.

  72. 72.

    schrodingers_cat

    I am listening to this song right now. So gayee yeh jameen.. from Tezaab (Acid). It has Anil Kapoor (He was in Slum Dog, and Madhuri Dixit, Chunky Pandey). Reminds me of Mumbai in monsoon.

    My attempt at translation…

    The world sleeps, so does the sky
    the road is asleep as are all the destinations
    As the night fell
    The people who have houses went to their homes to sleep
    As the night fell
    But vagabonds like us got lost on the roads..

  76. 76.

    Ohio Mom

    @donnah: What amazes me is that you get the same material — wool strips — to take on such different textures: the dog’s coat is glossy, the walls are sandy and rough.

    @pacem appellant: Ohio has great thunderstorms because the weather systems coming from the West collide with those coming up from the Gulf. That makes for a sky full of energy. I imagine the same goes for Michigan.

    Ohio’s storms are much more impressive than the ones I grew up with in New York City. They are one of the treats of living here, as long as I’m not driving through one.

  79. 79.

    Mandalay

    @Ella in New Mexico:

    Nothing even a little bit more important you want to hear from her or Biden about?

    I’m only half serious. Gillibrand is a coward, a hypocrite and a liar, so I expect her to turn a blind eye to unwanted touching when it’s politically inconvenient for her.

    But she has made equal treatment for women and zero tolerance for sexual harassment the cornerstone of her campaign, so why should she give Biden a free pass? (Well one reason is that she has zero chance of winning herself, and I’m sure she would be happy to accept a cabinet job from President Biden, and that won’t happen if she actually stands up for what she claims to believe in during the debates.)

    And as far as Republicans making a big deal out of it…they are going to drag our nominee into the dirt regardless of some debate clip. But the corollary of what you suggest is that Democratic candidates should not attack their opponents in the debates for fear of giving Republicans talking points, and I find that notion absurd. Should Harris have left Biden alone on race? Seriously?

    If Biden can’t even handle attacks from his Democratic opponents – and he was hopeless at countering the attack from Harris – then he will be DOA against Trump.

  82. 82.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @donnah:

    Thanks so much for the link — I’ve saved it to my home page. Your work is just spectacular. Love Mother Goose. Love the mermaid. Love LOVE LOVE the white fish!

    I’m not a hooker*, but I’m going to seek out your books anyhow to get a better sense of the craft.

    *I’m really not.

  84. 84.

    Martin

    Moscow Mitch and Trump are really coming through for those coal miners, all right.

    Miners on Tuesday blocked the tracks of a coal train in Kentucky for a second straight day as part of a standoff between a coal company that filed for bankruptcy and left nearly 400 workers without work and pay for a month.
    The protest, which has remained peaceful, began Monday after a train was seen going onto property of Blackjewel, the mine operator that filed for bankruptcy without warning on July 1.
    Word quickly spread through the community around Cumberland, a town of about 2,200 in Harlan County in southeastern Kentucky. Dozens of miners began showing up to block the tracks — angry that they mined the coal, but didn’t get paid for the work.
    “We’re doing without money, food and everything else before our kids are starting back to school. We can’t even get clothes or nothing else for them, so it was like a kick in the face,” miner Chris Rowe told CNN affiliate WYMT. “That’s basically what it was.”

    Baltimore may have some trash in an alley somewhere, but fucking Kentucky has white people just randomly discarded on railroad tracks. It’s a shame, really.

  87. 87.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @satby:

    Ha! I was just trying to ward off all the smart-ass remarks from the 12-year-old boys who inhabit this place ?

  88. 88.

    schrodingers_cat

    Another number that evokes loss and wistfulness. Chod Aaye Hum Woh Gaaliyaan
    When we left those streets, from Maachis (matchsticks) about the lost generation of men of Punjab who were hunted down by the Indian government after the Sikh insurgency that also claimed Indira Gandhi in the 1980s and early 90s.

  89. 89.

    Ella in New Mexico

    @Mandalay:

    I’m only half serious. Gillibrand is a coward, a hypocrite and a liar, so I expect her to turn a blind eye to unwanted touching when it’s politically inconvenient for her.

    Whew! Had me worried there for a minute. My snark meter’s down today ;-)

    But the corollary of what you suggest is that Democratic candidates should not attack their opponents in the debates for fear of giving Republicans talking points, and I find that notion absurd. Should Harris have left Biden alone on race?

    No, but I felt like that was a different issue, one that Trump is clearly not going to be able to exploit, and as hypocritical as it would be I think he’d try on “handsy Joe”. I’m just wanting our candidates to be choosey about what issues they use to get tough with on one another. Try to pick stuff that the split is less easily useful to the monsters on the Trump side.

    To be honest, I’d much rather they focus on what a POS Trump is their own positives instead of attacking each other at this stage.

  90. 90.

    A Ghost To Most

    We’re not watching anything tonight. Our ten year old plasma tv shit the bed this morning. Looking at the LG C8 OLED tv to replace it. Any suggestions from the jackelatariat?

  91. 91.

    Miss Bianca

    @Mandalay:

    Gillibrand is a coward, a hypocrite and a liar,

    Fuck the fuck right off. She has her faults, but she is none of those things. Take your Franken-stanning and cram it, I’m sick of the way you shit on Democratic candidates in general and Gillibrand in particular.

  92. 92.

    Roger Moore

    @dmsilev:
    I will say that I’m deeply worried about Republican ratfucking in the California Democratic primary. Since the Presidential election is the only one that’s partisan, I wouldn’t be surprised if a bunch of Republicans re-registered as independents so they could vote in the Democratic primary. They wouldn’t be able to vote for their local Republican committee members, but I think there are a lot of people who would rather fuck with the other guy than take care of their own house.

  93. 93.

    Jay

    @Martin:

    A lawyer for one lender contended that Hoops had engaged in what is known as “check kiting,” a type of check fraud that Wikipedia defines as “intentionally writing a check for a value greater than the account balance from an account in one bank, then writing a check from another account in another bank, also with non-sufficient funds, with the second check serving to cover the non-existent funds from the first account.” Evidence before the court showed that Hoops would often transfer funds into and out of Blackjewel, with many of these transfers done on the same day.

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/07/23/bjwl-j23.html

  95. 95.

    donnah

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    How nice you are! Thank you!

    My husband still thinks it’s hilarious to introduce me as his wife, the hooker. It’s not. It never was. And because I use a machine to strip the wool, he adds that I’m a stripper, too. Also not hilarious.

    I love making hooked wool rugs. It’s honestly like painting with wool. This rug was my first attempt at using the finest cut available, 1/16 wide strips, and that’s why it took so danged long.

    Thanks again for all of the kind words!

  96. 96.

    Amir Khalid

    @Quantumman:
    Wilmer’s success as a presidential canddate has come when he runs as a faux Democrat. To run third-party, to give up his pretence that he is a Democrat, is to banish himself to the fringe; he won’t do that.

  97. 97.

    gwangung

    @Ella in New Mexico:

    I’m just wanting our candidates to be choosey about what issues they use to get tough with on one another. Try to pick stuff that the split is less easily useful to the monsters on the Trump side.

    Not quite that far, but, yes, the candidates shouldn’t be treating others with kid gloves.

    Disagreement with respect is called for (and I felt Harris’ point vs. Biden was still respectful enough).

  102. 102.

    Martin

    @A Ghost To Most: I understand that to be an oustanding TV. I might have gone with the Sony A8, simply because I’ve had good experience with my Sonys, but that’s just a matter of minor preferences (like having the extra free power-on option from my Playstation).

  103. 103.

    Jay

    MCSALLY: “I pray the accuser gets the help she needs and finds the peace she is searching for. But it cannot be by destroying General Hyten with false allegations.”The accuser is sitting in the room at the hearing: pic.twitter.com/QbeAqrEGUJ— Frank Thorp V (@frankthorp) July 30, 2019

  108. 108.

    VeniceRiley

    @A Ghost To Most: I love my 65″ LG OLED. Can’t recall the model # but its picture-on-glass very thin and has a soundbar. Whatever you get, that’s a quality purchase.

  112. 112.

    MomSense

    @donnah:

    Donnah that is such a beautiful piece – beautifully done and speaks to me emotionally. You’re a true artist.

  113. 113.

    A Ghost To Most

    @Martin: That was my other choice. Consumer Reports rates both highly. I am looking at prices now. Thanks.

  114. 114.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Mandalay: @Mandalay: I have to say that you are doing a wonderful job of supporting the candidate/s that you prefer without trashing other Dems. How are you going to react if the Dem team ends up being Biden-Gillibrand?

  115. 115.

    VeniceRiley

    If Bernie goes after Kamala when she isn’t even there his AfAm support will shrink from 2 to 0.
    I don’t think she’ll pay him any mind on night 2, as he is tripping over his own junk this cycle.
    I think she may try to pop Biden about some entirely different topic before he even gets a chance to try his civil-rights-and-you’re-a-prosecutor act. If she bloodies his nose first, he’s attack will look like pathetic revenge because she hurts him.

  116. 116.

    Jay

    @debbie:

    In some regards, it’s kinda worse than that. The “Crying Nazi”, Chris Cantwell called on his Telegram account the day before the shooting, for someone to shoot up a Synagoge.

  120. 120.

    Mandalay

    @Miss Bianca:

    Fuck the fuck right off.

    Fuck the fuck right off yourself.

    Gillibrand insisted that she would serve out her six year Senate term just before the election, and then as soon as she was safely elected she announced she was running for president. She’s a liar.

    And as far as her “zero tolerance” goes:
    – She happily stayed silent on Bill Clinton’s behavior while the Clintons helped get her into the Senate, and then she knifed him.
    – She looked the other way while a member of her own staff resigned because of sexual harassment from another staff member who is still with her. She hushed it up, and it only came to light because the media published the story.
    – She did nothing to press for the details on secret taxpayer funded payments made by members of Congress to resolve sexual harassment claims to be made public.
    – She has said nothing about the handsy conduct of Biden, yet recently insisted that she had “no regrets” over her part in removing Franken. Double standards much?

    She’s a coward and a hypocrite. Gillibrand is all for “zero tolerance” when it’s politically convenient, but otherwise…not so much.

    You might acquaint your self with her very serious character shortcomings before running your mouth.

  121. 121.

    Jay

    @debbie:

    Sadly, won’t happen,

    Whole thread,

    Fuck this.McAuliffe knows *NOTHING* about the inside story of Charlottesville. Not a single fucking thing.I know this, because he does not know what I know. https://t.co/l9rYbdxLQU— Emily of the State (@EmilyGorcenski) July 30, 2019

    Nazi’s were filling the whole of social media on how they were going to kill people at Charlottesville.

    The cops ignored it.

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    Jay

    Lisa Michelle Britt, Ginger Shae Eason, Kelly Hendrix, Woody Darrel Hester, James R. Singletary & Tonya Britt Long also were indicted on conspiracy to obstruct justice and illegal possession of an absentee ballot charges. Britt also was charged with voting as a convicted felon.— Red T Raccoon (@RedTRaccoon) July 30, 2019

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    HinTN

    @MomSense:

    MomSense in the 207

    I guess I should go with HinKits in the 604. The weather’s pretty nice here as we consider thinking about heading out to dinner.

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    Doug R

    @A Ghost To Most:

    We’re not watching anything tonight. Our ten year old plasma tv shit the bed this morning. Looking at the LG C8 OLED tv to replace it. Any suggestions from the jackelatariat?

    I’m fairly happy with my Sony 4k although because it doesn’t have local dimming it can’t show HDR in all its glory.
    Looks like HDR 10 and Dolby Vision are the future, those OLED tvs look pretty sweet if you can afford them.

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    A Ghost To Most

    @Doug R:

    those OLED tvs look pretty sweet if you can afford them.

    That’s the trick. They’re still expensive, but OLED picture is too enticing. Thanks.

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    Gravenstone

    @A Ghost To Most: I have the B8 version, 65″ size (only substantive difference is the sound – but I have a sound bar I prefer). I am quite happy with it and you likely will be as well if you opt to go that direction.

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    A Ghost To Most

    @Gravenstone:
    Cool. I just ordered the B8 55″. I’m not looking forward to wrestling the plasma off the wall; that sucker is heavy.
    Thanks for the tip .

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