Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

There are consequences to being an arrogant, sullen prick.

The real work of an opposition party is to hold the people in power accountable.

’Where will you hide, Roberts, the laws all being flat?’

If you still can’t see these things even now, maybe politics isn’t your forte and you should stop writing about it.

Fundamental belief of white supremacy: white people are presumed innocent, minorities are presumed guilty.

Disappointing to see gov. newsom with his finger to the wind.

Everything is totally normal and fine!!!

I am pretty sure these ‘journalists’ were not always such a bootlicking sycophants.

Every one of the “Roberts Six” lied to get on the court.

The willow is too close to the house.

Russian mouthpiece, go fuck yourself.

Imperialist aggressors must be defeated, or the whole world loses.

The revolution will be supervised.

A sufficient plurality of insane, greedy people can tank any democratic system ever devised, apparently.

People really shouldn’t expect the government to help after they watched the GOP drown it in a bathtub.

If a good thing happens for a bad reason, it’s still a good thing.

So it was an October Surprise A Day, like an Advent calendar but for crime.

The next time the wall street journal editorial board speaks the truth will be the first.

Republicans are the party of chaos and catastrophe.

After dobbs, women are no longer free.

Trump should be leading, not lying.

When I decide to be condescending, you won’t have to dream up a fantasy about it.

Perhaps you mistook them for somebody who gives a damn.

We still have time to mess this up!

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(IIRC, ‘suspending’ means he doesn’t lose access to any presidential-campaign funds he may have collected, so it may be just a legalism)

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  1. 1.

    Downpuppy

    “Suspending ” is a technical term meaning “keeping the bank account open so we don’t die in debt”
    Nobody ever unsuspends after 48 hours

  2. 2.

    satby

    Yes, good for Tim Ryan. And except for Wilmer (and no idea what rock Tulsi is under) all our candidates have explicitly called out white supremacist terrorism as a cause and the TOTUS as the enabler.

  3. 3.

    Mike R

    Background checks, gun shows and private sales loopholes all closed the least they can do.

  4. 4.

    mrmoshpotato

    Sen. Sherrod Brown calls on Mitch McConnell to have Monday vote on gun background check…

    Hate to spoil this, but Moscow Mitch the Kremlin’s Bitch won’t be calling for a Monday vote on background checks.

  5. 5.

    Baud

    @satby:

    Wow. I shouldn’t be surprised, but I have to assume that he knows that all eyes are on all our candidates.

  6. 6.

    satby

    @mrmoshpotato: yeah, I just said on the earlier thread about his fall that I don’t buy it, I think it’s a dodge for him to be able to lay low and avoid calling the Senate back into session.
    They all figure we’ll settle down soon and it can be back to business as usual. So far that hasn’t been that bad of a bet for them.

  7. 7.

    Baud

    I actually found Tim Ryan to be the most annoying person in the debates and there was some stiff competition.

    But I prefer to priase Dems rather than bury them so kudos to him for not dragging this out for the publicity.

  9. 9.

    satby

    @Baud: Wilmer is a one hit wonder that keeps travelling the country playing his only popular song. He hasn’t got the ability or the smarts to adjust to changing circumstances and times. And his statement blaming mental illness instead of white supremacist terrorism and guns, again, won’t play well to the youngs he needs to stay in the race.

  12. 12.

    satby

    @Another Scott: odd, didn’t see that and I was just on twitter, but I don’t follow him. I did see a lot of tweeted clips of Bernie yapping about mental illness and gun violence though. Sadly for the Bern, more people will see those than his tweets.

  13. 13.

    HyperSphericalCow

    Sometimes, when I’m sleeping, I’m startled awake by a cat jumping onto me. I get a little rush of adrenaline, then fur and purr, and I try to go back to sleep.

    These days, when I go to Target, just doing my shopping, I wonder how I will react if I were startled out of my routine by gunfire.

    I hate living like this.

  15. 15.

    satby

    @satby: ah, and this is from the same forum as the one that Buttigieg spoke so plainly and forcefully at just a little while later.
    But today Wilmer figured out which way the wind was blowing so kudos to him, I guess. Way to lead, grandpa.

  16. 16.

    Anne Laurie

    @Baud:

  17. 17.

    FelonyGovt

    I wish more of the no-hope candidates would start dropping out. The sooner we get that debate stage down to the 5-8 serious candidates, the better.

  19. 19.

    Anne Laurie

    @satby:

    I did see a lot of tweeted clips of Bernie yapping about mental illness and gun violence though. Sadly for the Bern, more people will see those than his tweets.

    Give Sanders this — he didn’t go full Repub and blame it on video games, cuz he’s down with the Youngs!

  20. 20.

    lamh36

    @CNN
    “They’re dead. Never to come home again, never to see their family again. … Donald Trump, I want you to hear this. You need to be here right now.” Damon Davenport, who lost two cousins in the Dayton, Ohio, mass shooting, makes a plea to the President. https://cnn.it/2yG1kQt

  22. 22.

    Another Scott

    @satby: I suspect the Twitter post was by his staff, maybe with an OK by him. I agree that his inclination seems to be it-was-something-other-than-easy-availability-of-war-weapons that is the most important factor (assuming the video clip isn’t deceptively edited).

    He’s still (as in 2016) running for President of White Vermont rather than the extremely diverse USA.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  23. 23.

    hells littlest angel

    “I think all over the world people are looking at the United States and wondering what is going on, what is the mental health situation in America where time after time after time we’re seeing indescribable horrors.”

    Yeah, the mental health situation. We insanely keep electing depraved morons who line their pockets with money from the gun-humper lobby.

  26. 26.

    West of the Rockies

    @lamh36:

    Okay, but WHY should Trump (of all people) be there? What would he do, besides toss out some paper towels to the victims? Does anyone in Ohio want to hear Trump’s display of fake sympathy?

  27. 27.

    Suzanne

    @HyperSphericalCow:

    These days, when I go to Target, just doing my shopping, I wonder how I will react if I were startled out of my routine by gunfire.

    Irony: About 12 years ago, I was in a Target when gunshots broke out. A dude tried to rob the snack bar. He was an idiot; there were already police in the store who were dealing with another issue. No one was hurt, dude was arrested without further incident. But it was scary AF. I had Spawn the Elder, who was, at the time, Spawn the Only. He was preschool-age and sitting in the shopping cart. When I heard the shots, I ran like Usain Bolt pushing a shopping cart looking for an exit, before hiding under a store display and calling 911.

    I was at a rally for Warren on Thursday, and our local mall yesterday. Both times, I was thinking about crazy gun people the entire time. Looking for exits….

  30. 30.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Downpuppy: Correct. Candidates pretty much always “suspend” when they drop out, so they can wind down in an orderly manner and continue to raise money to cover campaign debts. The distinction doesn’t mean anything beyond that.

  31. 31.

    HyperSphericalCow

    @Suzanne: I graduated high school right after Columbine, when school shootings were a freak occurrence, not worth worrying about.

    Today, I cannot imagine the mental overhead that these poor kids must be taking on these days. Metal detectors at the doors? JFC.

  32. 32.

    mrmoshpotato

    @satby: I’m not sure if it’s a dodge, but I am sure that the fascist POS wouldn’t call for a background check bill vote even if the Senate were in the middle of a normal session. Remember, this is the bastard who stole a Supreme Court seat. It’s not so much shamelessness as it’s fuck-the-Constitution-ness.

  34. 34.

    Skepticat

    This is disgusting and wrong.

    Yes, Ms. MacDaniel, that does indeed apply to everything you said. Ever.

    Skepticat + 2

  35. 35.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Anne Laurie: It’s true that he also didn’t call, like feral sack of shit Dan Patrick, on “godlessness” as the root cause of all this.

  37. 37.

    Gravenstone

    @West of the Rockies: You and I know that Trump “being there” would be at best counterproductive, at worst disastrous. But the grieving family member probably wants Trump to put faces and bodies to the carnage that his words are causing. Sadly, that sociopathic ass wouldn’t be moved one bit by seeing the dead.

  38. 38.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    The mental health quote is a NRA talking point. He started echoing it after Wayne LaPierre introduced it.

    And on liberal comedian Bill Maher’s television show last year, Sanders said mental health was “maybe the more important issue” than gun control. “We’ve got millions of folks walking the streets who are need of mental health and they can’t walk into a place and get it,” he said.

    “This is the NRA talking point. I’m not saying it’s wrong, but I’m just saying, that’s what they say,” [Bill] Maher responded.

    By JONATHAN TOPAZ 06/18/2015

  39. 39.

    Kay

    Why is it okay to blame mentally ill people and people who play video games but not gun owners? Why are none of these people afraid of stigmatizing any person with a mental illness or any video-game player, yet are terrified of even slightly offending any gun owner?

    They’re not even consistent between 1, 2 and 3. Nothing they say makes any sense. If you say “video games” or “mental illness” you have to also say guns. I mean, the video games thing is fucking ridiculous anyway because it doesn’t hold across countries, but at least TRY to make the thing hang together somewhat coherently.

  41. 41.

    Aleta

    Robert Maguire @RobertMaguire_
    Trump to a rally crowd in Florida in May: “How do you stop these people” from crossing the border?
    Rally attendee: “Shoot them!”
    Crowd laughs.
    Trump smirks.
    Trump: “That’s only in the panhandle you can get away with that stuff. Only in the panhandle.”

    David M. Perry @Lollardfish
    When will white christians denounce this extremist cleric.

    Robert Maguire @RobertMaguire_
    Some perspective: More Americans have been killed by white nationalist terrorists in the past 24 hours than in terrorist attacks carried out by entrants from Trump’s travel-ban countries in more than 40 years.

    @ABCPolitics
    “This is a serious problem … but they are sick, sick people and the president knows that … I don’t think it’s fair to try and lay this at the feet of the president,” Mick Mulvaney says when asked why Trump downplayed the threat of downplayed the threat of white nationalism.

    Robert Maguire @RobertMaguire_
    This is an outright lie. There has not been one occasion on which the president has spoken out forcefully against white nationalist terrorists without first being backed into a corner. He and his administration has repeatedly downplayed the threat

  42. 42.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    He still refuses to budge from his support for blanket NRA immunity

    “what you’re really talking about is ending gun manufacturing in America. I don’t agree with that.” ~ March 6, 2016 CNN Debate

    The sole corporation this life long socialist supports is …. the NRA

    eta: during the 2016 campaign he gave an interview were he implied the government should nationalize the sneaker and deodorant industries. He wants to control “Old Spice”, but not AK-47s.

  43. 43.

    Kay

    @David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch:

    “We’ve got millions of folks walking the streets who are need of mental health and they can’t walk into a place and get it,” he said.

    Oh, bravo Bernie. So brave. Throw “millions” of people with mental illness under the bus and portray them as all dangerous psychopaths. “Walking the streets”. Where does he think they should be? He’s such an asshole.

  44. 44.

    Another Scott

    @Aleta: ICYMI, the NRA is continuing to implode. ProPublica (from July 30):

    […]

    The former senior employee, Emily Cummins, who worked for 12 years in the NRA’s treasurer’s office, quietly resigned in November as the group’s internal strife escalated. Cummins, in a written statement that began circulating this month among NRA leaders, including at least one board member, alleges that Brewer obstructed the work of NRA accountants and vastly exacerbated the organization’s financial woes as he charged it hefty legal fees. Cummins confirmed that she had produced the statement, which was obtained by ProPublica, but declined to provide any additional comments. Brewer’s firm said its work was justified and of the highest quality.

    The statement lays out a list of allegations regarding Brewer’s legal work and his treatment of NRA staff as questions surfaced about his law firm’s billings, which totaled $24 million over a 13-month period. In the first quarter of 2019, Brewer’s firm charged over $97,000 per day, according to internal NRA documents posted anonymously online.

    Cummins accuses Brewer of trying to intimidate, deceive and silence NRA staff who were processing his bills while some accountants were growing increasingly troubled by the organization’s mismanagement, exorbitant spending and questionable deals involving conflicts of interest. Former Brewer colleagues as well as written correspondence obtained by ProPublica broadly supported her claims.

    […]

    Good, good.

    They need to be pariahs.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  47. 47.

    Jeffro

    I’m glad Dems like O’Rourke are ramping up their rhetoric…at least what they are saying matches reality, calls out the instigators from the Ill Douche on down, gives our side something to fight for.

    Keep it up. Draw the contrasts, again and again. We don’t have any more mental health issues than other countries do, but whew we sure do have a shitload of guns and the entirely correlated shitload of casualties to prove it.

  49. 49.

    susanna

    @David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch: The ones with the larger mental health problem are the politicians who deserve to be the focus of any mental health investigations and reports.
    .
    And while doing that, someone should find out how they can live a healthy life with honorable, honest perspectives. In my book the worst of them are psychopaths, who feel no shame, no guilt and glorify their position to “put country first.” Then maybe we can all start solving this country’s multiple dilemnas

  51. 51.

    Jay

    This is not an implausible theory re the deleted & rewritten tweet about the El Paso shooting. (Trump blocked me for this very reason and two years later, I’m still blocked). It’s a form of authoritarian information control. https://t.co/WZYoFIdVS2— Caroline Orr (@RVAwonk) August 4, 2019

  52. 52.

    Ruckus

    @Suzanne:
    I wasn’t in combat in the service but for years after I came home I always made sure there was no one behind me/back to a wall and crowds and I didn’t get along all that well. Now I just make sure I can fall down as fast as possible. I’m old so mission accomplished. Well except for the moans, groans and creaks on the way down. Now getting up later, that’s an issue.

  53. 53.

    Jay

    @satby:

    Not saying your personal FB troll is a Nazi, but when they are recycling and amplifying Nazi talking points,

    The Nazis probably think they are a Nazi.

  58. 58.

    Jay

    Video games aren’t causing mass shootings, white supremacy is.Sadly the GOP refuse to acknowledge that, bc their strategy relies on rallying a white supremacist base.That‘s why the President hosts stadiums of people chanting “send her back”& targets Congress-members of color. https://t.co/8F51h46bOO— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) August 4, 2019

  59. 59.

    FelonyGovt

    OT just saw on Facebook that Valerie Plame is running for Congress in Northern New Mexico. If I recall correctly, she’s the CIA agent who was outed during the GWB years.

  60. 60.

    Jay

    To everyone who says that mental illness is the problem, not guns:- Mental illness is everywhere, mass shootings aren't. – The mentally ill are more likely to be victims of violence, not perpetrators of it. – If you believe this, then you should support universal healthcare— Geraldine (@everywhereist) August 4, 2019

  62. 62.

    chopper

    @Kay:

    it’s hard enough for people with mental illness to deal with the stigma this culture places on it, this dumbass shit doesn’t help. and BTW trump is saying the same shit about how it’s all about mental illness. that should tell bernie something, not that he ever listens to anyone. fuck him.

  63. 63.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    @SiubhanDuinne: In an interview with John Harwood he said too much choice in deodorant and sneakers leads to child hunger. No joke.

  64. 64.

    TS (the original)

    @lamh36:

    Donald Trump, I want you to hear this. You need to be here right now

    Last person on earth I would want anywhere near me in such a tragic situation

  66. 66.

    Tazj

    @Gravenstone: When I first read that I thought, Trump is absolutely the last person I’d like to see after such a tragedy. But, like you said it’s probably the only way they can think of right now to hold him accountable and make him face the sorrow and loss of these people. Maybe he’d like everyone to know how wonderful his cousins were and yell at the president.
    @Jay: Exactly, they always say it’s a mental heath problem but they offer no plans to get everyone access to good mental health care.

  77. 77.

    Jay

    Devastating. The husband of the woman who was killed while apparently shielding her 2-month-old son from the gunfire in El Paso has also died. Jordan Anchondo's aunt confirmed to CNN that Jordan’s husband, Andre Anchondo, has been confirmed dead.— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) August 5, 2019

  78. 78.

    Mike J

    @Downpuppy: The FEC doesn’t recognize “suspended” as a category for a campaign. In or out. But if it makes people feel better, whatever. I was going to ask who the fuck JimBob Ryan was anyway, but it doesn’t matter now.

  79. 79.

    (((CassandraLeo)))

    @Baud: I agree. If being a billionaire is causing them this much stress, clearly the only humane thing to do is confiscate the wealth that’s causing them such problems. Let no one say I don’t have compassion for billionaires.

    Ceterum censeo factionem Republicanam esse delendam.

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