[Fanfare: Flugelhorns & Euphoniums]
This is the most stunningly hypocritical thing Maggie Haberman has ever said.
Her own paper published the donors to the Clinton Foundation. Apparently that's ok but Joaquin Castro going to the FEC website and printing out already publicly disclosed Trump campaign donors is bad. https://t.co/zx4nWNkklg
— Matthew Chapman (@fawfulfan) August 7, 2019
Trump campaign donors smeared by accusation they donated to Trump https://t.co/pfJyeAVN08
— Scott Lemieux (@LemieuxLGM) August 7, 2019
Rep. Joaquin Castro — he’s the twin brother of Julian Castro — tweeted out a campaign add that featured a list including the names and occupations of people in his San Antonio congressional district who had given the legal maximum to the Trump re-election campaign in 2019 (This is of course public information, which anybody can look up, and I encourage you to do so).
Naturally this elicited shrieks of outrage from the Republican party establishment that simply publicizing the fact that people are in 2019 donating money to a white supremacist who inspires his followers to murder Hispanics like Castro himself was also a form of “inciting violence against private citizens” because [step in argument missing]….
If you are giving Trump money at this point you are a garbage person, who should be named, shamed, and shunned. I think it’s an excellent idea to publicize the names of people who are donating to Trump, in order to boycott their businesses, while exercising the core First Amendment right to let everyone know that Trump supporters are, individually and collectively, garbage people who should be ostracized by any and every decent human being…
Republicans: God I hope no one at work finds out I donated to Trump
Democrats: Wearing “I just donated to Elizabeth Warren” T-shirts to work https://t.co/OV82miBQlv
— Danny Ocean (@The_UnSilent_) August 7, 2019
The Right freaking out about being outed for supporting Trump is the biggest tell in political history.
— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) August 7, 2019
No one was targeted or harassed in my post. You know that. All that info is routinely published.
You’re trying to distract from the racism that has overtaken the GOP and the fact that President Trump spends donor money on thousands of ads about Hispanics “invading” America. 1/2 https://t.co/TwUDC4m5tO
— Joaquin Castro (@JoaquinCastrotx) August 7, 2019
Donald Trump has put a target on the back of millions. And you’re too cowardly or agreeable to say anything about it.
How about I stop mentioning Trump’s public campaign donors and he stops using their money for ads that fuel hate?
— Joaquin Castro (@JoaquinCastrotx) August 7, 2019
But SERIOUSLY:
5/ Someone who gives all that money to the Trump campaign generally wants it known, so that Republicans will take their calls and be responsive to their concerns.
— Josh Chafetz (@joshchafetz) August 7, 2019
7/ Disclosure is one of the few tools the Supreme Court has left the political process with to regulate these interactions between donors and elected officials/campaigns.
— Josh Chafetz (@joshchafetz) August 7, 2019
9/ If you wanna buy access, fine, conservative appointees to the Court have made that your right. But to buy political access and then cry foul when someone shines a light on it is just too rich.*
* pun quasi-intended
— Josh Chafetz (@joshchafetz) August 7, 2019
5/ They also seem to be ignoring an interesting conservative underpinning to this question.
Being afraid of exposure because you support Donald Trump financially is a market signal to others. Market actions have market consequences.
— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) August 7, 2019
7/ Information is fungible. Donor records are symmetrical information.
No one has an advantage or disadvantage in accessing them.
Donating money over the reporting limit is an entry into the political arena. If that has market consequences for you, oh well.
— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) August 7, 2019
It’s interesting to me that the possibility that donors could pressure Trump to step back from the racist ledge isn’t even ventured as a hypothetical in this scenario.
— Schooley (@Rschooley) August 7, 2019
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Of course, when it’s the GOP, there’s always more than *one* ‘questions have been raised’…
Developer Stephen Ross, of The Related Companies, (which developed Hudson Yards and owns @Equinox and @soulcycle) is hosting a fundraiser for President Trump in The Hamptons. $250,000 for lunch, a photo and a private roundtable. https://t.co/unTnaKTMav
— Derick Waller (@wallerABC7) August 6, 2019
‘I want to re-elect the racist but that doesn’t mean I support his racism, which is part of his core message’ https://t.co/lF86FMSdVF
— Soledad O'Brien (@soledadobrien) August 7, 2019
The fact that the SoulCycle Billionaire guy, under pressure, wants to explain that he supports Trump for the tax cuts and not for the racism is actually a clarifying and important moment about what’s really happening in America.
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) August 7, 2019
None of the tycoons at the Hamptons fundraiser would do a business deal with Trump because he was so utterly untrustworthy. But now they’ve got their tax cuts and access to Jared and Mnuchin and Ross. So they’re on board, and the country be damned. They deserve Elizabeth Warren.
— Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) August 7, 2019
Patricia Kayden
Maggie is disgusting. How can she justify NYT publicizing the names of donors to the Clinton Foundation while decrying what Castro did? She’s such a troll.
MJS
Obviously not the key point of the post, but Kristol can fuck off with “They deserve Elizabeth Warren.” Warren would be great for this country. The fact that what’s good for this country is bad for the tycoons is very telling.
Douglas P Gardner
God, when Bloody Bill Kristol is devastatingly on target, I know the world is about to end. I know that BK has been pretty strident in his opposition to Trump, and I no longer am completely repulsed by him, but his tweet at the end of this post is hard to top.
hells littlest angel
I don’t know know which is the stronger indicator that I am living in a computer simulation gone horribly wrong — that Donald Trump is the president or that Bill Kristol is writing sick, anti-Republican burns.
Eljai
Hahahaha. Ronna Romney McRomney doesn’t understand what doxxing is. Dumbass.
arrieve
@Douglas P Gardner: @MJS: One of the (admittedly minor) things that distress me about this horrible moment in our history is that I am put in the position of agreeing with Bill Forking Kristol. And I think the tycoons do deserve Elizabeth Warren, but only in the karmic sense. She’s much too good for the likes of them.
Elizabelle
@hells littlest angel: Being Bill Kristol, he goes goes stunningly wrong in his last sentence.
We ALL deserve Elizabeth Warren.
Otherwise, Kristol is in Jennifer Rubin territory in the first part of his tweet. Good for him.
brantl
@Douglas P Gardner: Even a stopped clock is right, once a day Bill Kristol isn’t right, even that rarely. AND, he help give us Sarah (Snowbilly Snooky) Palin.
hueyplong
Haha, Kristol saying they deserve what he considers tumbrels.
Bill has elevated over the world’s lowest bar to write my Favorite Bill Kristol post.
zhena gogolia
@MJS:
That was the single most shocking/disgusting line in the whole post.
Baud
Hell, I’d be proud to wear an “I just donated to Delaney” t-shirt if I had donated to Delaney.
The worst Democrat is still better than Donald Trump.
(((CassandraLeo)))
I think Kristol is saying they deserve Elizabeth Warren because they’re terrified of her proposals, so that’s what they deserve. It wouldn’t be as pithy if he explained that, though.
Fuckem.
Ceterum censeo factionem Republicanam esse delendam.
Uncle Cosmo
At least one of those RWNJs characterized Castro’s information – completely public, accessible to anyone with an Internet connection – as an “assassination list.” Because if someone handed them (they being mostly too inept to dig it out themselves) a list of big donors to a Democratic candidate for anything, their first thought would be to publish it hoping that their armed-to-the-teeth whacko supporters would take the hint & start killing them off. It’s always projection with those fuckwits.
(RFI – Request for Information: Castro has been accused of scrubbing that list to remove Hispanic names. Any truth to that? If so, what? Asking for a fiend…)
dmsilev
Bill Kristol wrote that?
Never mind feral pigs charging across no-man’s land, we need to be watching for feral pigs conducting strafing and bombing runs.
dmsilev
@Uncle Cosmo: It’s always projection. Sarah Palin had that ad with a bunch of Democrats and crosshairs (excuse me, “surveyor’s marks” on their faces. Remember that?
Humdog
Most of the replies to Kristol are “I deserve Elizabeth Warren” with a few of “we don’t deserve her but desperately need her”.
Mai Naem mobile
Stephen Ross is or had an ongoing multi multi million dollar issue with the IRS around the time of the election. That may be a reason why hes kissing up to Trumpov. Also’ small aside the original founders of Soul Cycle got a good boost of free PR when HRC held a campaign event at the very first Soul Cycle way back. I remember hearing about this in an interview with the founders. I am guessing it was either the 08 primary or her Senate run. They’re out of the picture at Soul Cycle now. I am betting they’re not Trumpers.
Omnes Omnibus
@Elizabelle: I think it might be meant in the sense of they deserve the extra taxes on the wealthy, etc., that a Warren admin would bring. The senior partner at the first firm I worked at explained the firm’s vacation policy as “pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered.”*
*This, by the way, is a terrible policy. People basically don’t go on vacation.
artem1s
Ah, the .0001%ers got their feelings hurt. Citizen’s United was supposed to keep all that dirty laundry hidden. Wanna really chap the GOP’s ass? Start looking up the other candidates these donors supported and start doxxing them too. Ask each and every one of them, ‘do you want to be seen taking money from X who is supporting the racists douch-canoe in the WH?’
Kay
And we were specifically told we didn’t need regulation because we would have disclosure and transparency, so political “markets” would act as the regulator. That was the elite conservative view. That’s the basis of gutting campaign finance regulations.
They’re reneging on that? Figures. Anyone who believes anything they say is a sucker.
What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?
@Douglas P Gardner: Also, too Rick Wilson. If you had told me 10 years ago that there was a force in American politics that would put either or both of them on the right side of history on any topic I would have said you’re crazy, but here we are.
A Ghost To Most
Oh, so now there are rules? Fuck that, and FTFNYT. The nazis have been cheating for decades, and counting on us to play fair.
Jerzy Russian
I think Bill Kristol both needs and deserves a knee to the groin.
rk
I wouldn’t wear an Elizabeth Warren shirt, not put anything on my car showing my support for Democrats. No yard sign, no anything. I don’t want to be a target for racist jackasses. It’s about time Republicans felt some shame for supporting and being racists. They potentially get to feel shame, I get to potentially lose my life. Not exactly the same thing.
Ghost of Joe Lieblings Dog
@Eljai:
And (unsurprisingly) can’t even spell “Democratic”.
jeffreyw
@Eljai:
They are conflating what Castro did with doxxing so that they will have a free hand to actually dox enemies.
FelonyGovt
Lots of people have cancelled their memberships in Equinox (shocklingly overpriced gym chain) since that Stephen Ross disclosure yesterday, including Chrissy Teigen and other celebs, and they have not minced words about why.
Good. I want to avoid doing business with Trump supporters to the maximum extent possible.
Roger Moore
@Douglas P Gardner:
As I’ve said before, I’m not terribly surprised there are Republicans who are principled enough that Donald Trump is a bridge too far; I’m constantly amazed at which ones. I can kind of understand why the neoconservatives hate him- they’ve always cared most about foreign policy, which is the area where he’s broken most with Republican orthodoxy- but the big surprises to me are people like Joe Walsh.
Kay
People don’t have to reject the whole NYTimes, IMO. Their political reporting sucks. That’s just one part. There’s no contradiction to valuing the other work they do while recognizing that their political reporting sucks. It does. That’s a specific problem and so more accurate.
rp
@(((CassandraLeo))): Yeah — I interpreted that as “they’re terrified of Warren, and they deserve to feel the full force of her proposals.”
zhena gogolia
@Humdog:
That thread looks like the “I’m Spartacus” scene.
zhena gogolia
@Kay:
I got to that point the year Kerry ran. I just don’t read their political reporting. WaPo is miles ahead of them there.
trollhattan
@MJS:
Yeah, “Ooga-booga Liz Warren!” Repeat 3x in front of darkened bathroom mirror to receive healthcare.
They telegraph their utter fear of her frequently. This is helpful.
Adam L Silverman
@Patricia Kayden: Because, it was THE New York Times that published the donor list to the Clinton Foundation, which makes it news and some of the best journalism to have ever been produced. All Congressman Castro did was afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted. Which is something that THE New York Times would never do and is definitely not journalism or news.
trollhattan
@Jerzy Russian:
May the ghosts of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and thousands of American GIs haunt him for eternity.
Shantanu Saha
They deserve Madame Guillotine. They’ll get Elizabeth Warren, who will be too good for them.
The Moar You Know
Awww, Kev. Can I call you “Kev”, It’s all informal, friendly-like. Don’t jump the gun, though, Kev. We’re not friends.
What happened was that most Democrats realized the statement was ludicrous bullshit the instant it came out of Michelle Obama’s mouth.
And now, four years after, Americans are no longer willing to be the punching bags of the GOP. And we’re going to start “going low” and punching hard, right in the fucking ballsack just like your boss likes to – and he is your boss, fuck, he’s you’re goddamn owner, you might as well call him Simon Legree – and I know you will retire to your fainting couches, pearls clutched firmly, over the unfairness of it all.
I get that. It is unfair that a party that has been your willing punching bag since 1980 has decided to not only no longer be a punching bag, but, horror of horrors, has decided to start punching back.
Roger Moore
@Kay:
The problem as a news consumer is that it’s not possible to subscribe to the whole New York times except for the political coverage. They NYT editorial staff have consistently shown that they see criticism of their work as proof that they’re doing a good job, so the only tool left to let them know how much you dislike their political coverage is to unsubscribe.
Jeffro
I sent that Josh Chafetz thread to my RWNJ dad and brother to see just how they move the goalposts. Should be intriguing.
My best guess is dad will try to tell me this was some sort of attempt at violent intimidation, and my brother will warn me/libs ‘be careful what you ask for’. We’ll see
Kay
@zhena gogolia:
It is, if you’re looking for “who did what and said what” – I don’t know what this other stuff is. Some kind of fact-based political essay writing or something. I think they think this is the “value add”. The interpretation and translation and sorting of news into what they view as important and what they do not.
And it’s circular. How important was the Hillary Clinton email story? Very important. We know that because the NYTimes ran the same story on it 66 times. Come on. This isn’t “political reporting”! It’s something else! If they did straight political reporting they’d be one among some, so they add this…thing. The question is it is valuable. I don’t think it is. It’s certainly “influential” but that’s not necessarily positive.
mrmoshpotato
@Jerzy Russian: Just a single knee to the groin? Why not let your other knee in on the fun?
(((CassandraLeo)))
@Mai Naem mobile: I agree with this, too. Elizabeth Warren is not the hero America deserves, but she is the one it needs right now. Feel free to interpret the contrast with Batman how you will.
Adam L Silverman
@FelonyGovt: SoulCycle’s launch of their equivalent to the Peloton home cycle system is today. It is not going to go well.
Jeffro
@Roger Moore: Agreed.
As much as I genuinely enjoy all of the other reporting/sections of the Times, their obvious, flagrant, frequent enabling of the Mango Menace caused me to cancel my subscription with them. I made sure to tell them why in great detail, too – no point in canceling a service (or boycotting anything) if I don’t tell them why, right?
I’ll gladly re-subscribe when I see their political reporting get to a neutral, non-trumpov/wingnut enabling place.
AliceBlue
@rk: Same here. If I put an anti-Trump or Pro-Democratic candidate bumper sticker on my car where I live (rural west Georgia) my life would be in danger. People think I’m exaggerating. I wish I were.
rikyrah
When Bill Kristol makes sense…….
We live in strange times…
Kay
@Roger Moore:
True. I see the problem. I think making it the whole paper lets the political area off the hook though- makes the claim less credible, less true.
I actually love newspapers. I am their friend! I want only the best for them :)
I love nonfiction reading and I absolutely value the work. I want them to succeed!
mrmoshpotato
@rikyrah: Don’t worry. It won’t last.
Adam L Silverman
ALEXA!!!! ORDER ALL THE POPCORN!!!!
TenguPhule
@Roger Moore:
This is the same NYT that believed a recipe of peas in guacamole made sense.
TenguPhule
@arrieve:
I wouldn’t call it minor so much as there are so many other terrible things happening that that particular instance had to take a number and stand in line.
Martin
The problem I have with this is the trap Haberman voluntarily steps into. Republican donors enable the GOP to give everyone AR-15s and then disclosing those donors is dangerous because everyone has AR-15s.
Castro’s instincts here are correct – put it all out there, let people own their decisions, if the AR-15s come for them, then maybe we’ll get different policies – like not giving everyone an AR-15.
FelonyGovt
@The Moar You Know: You’re absolutely right. It’s thrilling to see Democrats actually punching back.
TenguPhule
@Douglas P Gardner:
Glad its not just me that was thinking that.
trollhattan
@Adam L Silverman:
Heh.
Would love to read the SWOT analysis that was part of the bidnez plan. Was “Boss gets caught pallin’ around with Nazi president” one of the threats? If not….
mrmoshpotato
What word am I looking for here? Oh right! “Fuck!”
Fuck their feelings.
Fuck the farmers.
Fuck the GOP.
Fuck the GOP primary voters.
Fuck the 62 million+.
Fuck them for enthusiastically voting for a racist conman.
There was no bait-and-switch at the inauguration. The campaign was racism and lies all the way down. They got what they fucking voted for.
Adam L Silverman
@trollhattan: I’m sure it never came up because he’s the “Boss”.
Kay
I’m going to adopt Doug Jones to donate to. I feel I have to do this because I fear none of you will :)
“You” being Democrats and liberals. He’s an orphan and I like underdogs. An orphan underdog. Ok, maybe that’s too pathetic.
Maybe also Gary Peters. No one knows who he is.
mrmoshpotato
@Adam L Silverman: ALEXA! PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT!
Alexa: SHUT THE FUCK UP, DONNIE!
TenguPhule
@Jeffro:
So first week of never, then.
waspuppet
@Patricia Kayden: It is remarkable whenever she and her fellow “journalists” come out against the distribution of information. Of course, it’s only when such distribution is damaging or potentially damaging for Republicans.
TenguPhule
If only.
TenguPhule
Please proceed.
mrmoshpotato
OT
As a lifelong Democrat and Illinoisan, let me say, Blago should die in prison.
schrodingers_cat
@Kay: No subscription, no clicks. I make an exception for the recipe section once in a while. To the NYT I am invisible so why should I give them $$ or clicks.
TenguPhule
No 10 refuses to rule out election shortly after 31 October Brexit
This is very very bad.
This is essentially blowing up the UK then running away and letting someone else try and salvage something from the remains. Classic Boris Johnson.
TenguPhule
@schrodingers_cat:
Peas in guacamole.
Elizabelle
@TenguPhule:
LOL. Exactly.
schrodingers_cat
@TenguPhule: Eeww. I do like Mark Bittman recipes.
J R in WV
Happy International Cats Day
Posted in potentially dead thread below:
Sometimes the outdoor cat, who comes in for a drink, or dinner, catches a chipmunk, and then comes to the door to bring it in for a snack later on. Her “lemme in” cry becomes a little muffled because of the mouthful of furball — but sometimes I don’t notice the change in audio timbre and open the door, as I am basically a door opener for the pets, my position in life now.
So then I have to catch the cat. Sometimes she spits out the chipmunk when I grab her. Mostly the critter is stone dead, once it nearly escaped. But mostly I can use the cat as a picker-up device by holding her face to the chipmunk, so she will grab hold, and then I run for the door.
I have repeated this trick up to 3 times to get the cat + the chipmunk out the door.
ETA: Usually this all happens in the kitchen with a tile floor… won’t talk about the escapees. Well, one remark, all the critters like that, what a commotion!!
Happy International Cat Day, all !!!
Doug G
@Roger Moore: Yeah, Walsh is interesting in that I still consider him a scumbag for his failure to pay child support, but he is relentless in his bashing of TrumpCo.
TenguPhule
Rooting for injuries.
J R in WV
@Uncle Cosmo:
This sounds to me very much like a typical Russo-Republican-Fascist projection lie… but I have no facts to back that up, except the 10,457 previous projection lies the Russo-Republican-Fascists have told in the past few years.
ETA: Plus the odds of Hispanics being both wealthy enough and stupid enough to donate to a man who intends to cleanse the nation of Hispanics… slim and none? My take.
trollhattan
@mrmoshpotato:
Cleek’s Law is immutable. Except perhaps the period, which could arguably be changed to “hourly.”
Junior, he so smart. “Boy, the Democrats will HATE this!”
MattF
@Adam L Silverman: Note that Deutsche Bank is on the list. That’s the one that Trump will find scary.
Chetan Murthy
@TenguPhule:
Uh, it’s actually worse than that, from what I’ve read: eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=87321
BoJo isn’t going to schedule an election to run away — quite to the contrary, he’s doing it to cement 5yr of his residence in No. 10 [Fixed-Term Parliaments Act, donchyano]. Most of the bad effects of Brexit happen down-the-line, not immediately. B/c on both sides of the Channel, authorities will work to prevent any delays in imports headed to Britain, and hey, it takes -time- for disinvestment and decreased exports to the EU, to turn into job losses and recession. So he wants an election as soon after Brexit as humanly possible, so that he can claim victory [hey, it’s going great!] and get his mandate for another five years.
T[hey]ASF
trollhattan
@TenguPhule:
Just the “walkin tub” account can pick up the slack, by itself.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Or just a sucker ready to be unwrapped. I mean look at Putin, he fixed the election for Trump and can’t get any love on the arms treaty.
Adam L Silverman
@TenguPhule: Actually it is worse than that as the article you’re quoting didn’t do the best job explaining what is going on. Johnson’s governing coalition, which is really not a proper coalition, is only a majority by one member of parliament. If he loses one more MP, elections have to be called under the election law. There is intense pressure being brought by the Remain and anti-No Deal Exit members of parliament to get one defection and force new elections. What Cumming’s, who is a No Deal Hard Brexiter, is actually saying is: “fine, bring down the government to stop a no deal Brexit, it won’t matter as we control the scheduling of the next election and we will never schedule it before we crash out with No Deal!”
tokyokie
@Kay: Gary Peters? Of course I know who he is. Pitcher for the Chisox in the ’60s. Won A.L. Rookie of the Year in 1963, led the league in ERA twice.
Eljai
@mrmoshpotato: Blagojevich used his office for personal enrichment. Now why would Trump pardon…oh wait.
Barbara
@mrmoshpotato: Every time I read about some maneuver that Jared thinks will please Democrats I am struck again at how stupid he really must be. The first such maneuver that I recall was firing Comey, which more or less led directly to Mueller. I think Blagojevich probably received too long of a sentence, but jimminy crickets, it’s not at the top of the list of injustices I would like to see corrected in my lifetime. Not even close.
Adam L Silverman
@MattF: Every major bank is on that list. And, remember, while the NY state investigation is, right now, a civil one, if they find criminal acts within the statute of limitations they can move those over to a criminal investigation and potential prosecution. And I would expect that they would.
hueyplong
@J R in WV: Let them prove the allegation. The list is public.
Until then, as the wise man said, fuck ’em.
Barbara
@Martin: Really, I am at the point that if someone feels threatened or concerned for their safety because their name was published, that strikes me as a good thing, because no one should have the luxury of feeling totally safe when they are enabling wanton violence against others. And the only good thing I can say about Haberman is that she retweeted Rick Wilson’s thread for why — as she admitted — her complaint about the list “fell flat” (in her words). Apparently Wilson, along with many others of his ilk, has been on the receiving end of death threats against both himself and his family for nearly three years, once he went public with his opposition to Trump.
(((CassandraLeo)))
@Barbara: Right. How many Democrats even: (1) know who he is, and (2) think he should be pardoned? A case of “evil cannot comprehend good”, I suppose. To quote Frank Wilhoit, the right wing operates on the principle that there must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. The competing proposal, that the law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone, and cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone, is completely incomprehensible to them.
@mrmoshpotato: This is why the late, lamented efgoldman used to just say fuckem. Too many characters wasted on people who don’t deserve them otherwise.
Ceterum censeo factionem Republicanam esse delendam.
dnfree
@mrmoshpotato: Jared doesn’t know much about Illinois, does he? But it’s easy to see why Jared would think Blagojevich’s actions were no big deal. (You can tell I’m from Illinois because I can spell Blagojevich without looking it up.)
Amir Khalid
@Ghost of Joe Lieblings Dog:
Not so much can’t, more like won’t. Republicans think calling it the “Democrat” party is a clever and devastating putdown.
mrmoshpotato
@Barbara:
That’s commendable. I’ve grown numb to it.
“Oh, Jared’s stupid? Water’s wet. That’s nice.”
Eljai
@waspuppet: I read some of the Twitter back and forth between Maggie and Joy Reid yesterday and, apparently, Maggie thinks it’s “ostracizing” to out Trump donors. As Trump was filming his propaganda video in El Paso, his ICE thugs were rounding up immigrants in Mississippi, leaving children to worry where their parents are. Why do Trump supporters think they can separate themselves from that? IMHO, you should be ostracized for funding someone who takes glee in traumatizing children.
mrmoshpotato
@(((CassandraLeo))): I wanted to be very specific. ?
A Ghost To Most
@Kay:
People don’t have to. I have willingly avoided the FTFNYT since the Iraq War. WaPo works for me
Suzanne
Damn. I’m agreeing—vehemently—with Bill Kristol. Politics, strange bedfellows, etc etc etc.
Amir Khalid
@mrmoshpotato:
Per Wikipedia, Blago will be eligible for early release in 2024. You still have five years for your wish to come true.
piratedan
@dnfree: its almost as if Jared thinks that the entire Dem Party is simply just as corrupt as the GOP, they just play on the other side of the street, he’s taken Both-Siderism as a gospel truth with the idea that our loathing of them isn’t a matter of ethics, we’re just playing for a different team so its all simply posturing.
THAT is how incredibly obtuse, cavalier, disconnected these guys are, we’re all just peons and board game pieces to them, they don’t see anyone without power or money as having any kind of equivalence to them.
Chip Daniels
Now that we’ve identified the weak spot for wealthy Trump supporters- their craving to be well thought of by us plebes- we need to hit it again and again. Make them wear the badge of shame at every opportunity.
Kay
@tokyokie:
My point EXACTLY :)
you-all are sleeping on this crucial Gary Peters race. Don’t come crying to me…
I actually went to a rally for him in Detroit when he was first elected. I don’t remember why. Or him, really.
Central Planning
@Uncle Cosmo: You could search for the top donors in El Paso, sort them, and see if they match that list.
I saw that comment too, and someone responded they did exactly that – looked up the data themselves and it matched. They could be making it up too. I have not done that, mostly because someone on the internet claiming the list was scrubbed is not enough evidence for me.
L85NJGT
That the NYT had the market power and reach to outlast the rest of the buggy whip industry is immaterial. They’re still a buggy whip company, and ownership doesn’t have anywhere near a Bezos level of FU money.
On a related note, Gannett is combining it’s dead tree portfolio with NewMedia’s. Remember when USA Today was leading edge (infographics!) and a value add for hotels? Last time I got one, I was shocked there is still a print edition.
kindness
The NY Times elected Trump. They spent 2 years painting Hillary as a liar, shrill fraud and traitor. During the same time they did nothing but write glowing articles about The Donald.
Not one thin dime for that rag. Never again.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
Putin really is a moron. Oh I’m sure he thinks he’s some grand chest master or something but all he’s doing is making the collapse of human civilization in most areas of the world more likely.
In fact, the worst effects of AGW are already beginning to happen decades before they were originally predicted to, so he’ll probably live to see it.
Oh, the Northen Sea Route will be ice free?! Who will you trade with when most of the world is uninhabitable at that point, assuming your failure of a state hasn’t collapsed yet?
Seriously, Putin is like Kent Mansley from the Iron Giant.
danielx
@Adam L Silverman:
Uh oh….Twitter hate bombs incoming from the Orange Bubo in 3…2…1…
Scream all you want, Donald, they’ll never loan you money again.
debit
@kindness: Yep. It doesn’t matter what they do going forward, they will never see a penny of my money or earn anything off a click.
ETA: I support and subscribe to the WaPo, despite their regrettable tendency to let right wing assholes smear around their stink all over the opinion section.
Brachiator
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
This explains why he likes to go shirtless so often. ;)
(((CassandraLeo)))
@mrmoshpotato: That’s understandable! If I got started with such a list, I’d never finish it, though. Which is also why I decided not to make a complete list of organisations that need to be destroyed and just leave it at the Republican Party – otherwise I’d spend all my time translating terms to Latin, a language I don’t really speak anyway. I fully understand the impulse, though!
Ceterum censeo factionem Republicanam esse delendam.
danielx
@piratedan:
Fixed.
geg6
@Adam L Silverman:
I read that using my Mr. Bill voice. It was fun. But not as much fun as the idea that the Dems did an elegant sidestep around him and got what he’s been fighting tooth and nail to keep out of their hands. The banks be like, we’re not sticking our necks out for that deadbeat, tacky orange asshole.
hueyplong
Maybe they think pardoning Blogo is a nice set-up for a both-sides pardon for Jared’s father.
Trying to follow their “thinking” requires blunt trauma to one’s own head.
trollhattan
@Brachiator:
“Is now chest master riding bear. Go Vlad, go! Make Russia great again.”
(((CassandraLeo)))
@L85NJGT: What else would you expect to find in hotel rooms? Without hotel subscriptions, I doubt the dead tree version of USA Today would’ve survived.
Ceterum censeo factionem Republicanam esse delendam.
Kay
@A Ghost To Most:
Most people didn’t though. I agree with you- that “error” should have had consequences. Good Lord. There’s a body count with that one. Remember Cheney used to plant stories and then give interviews where he pointed to the planted stories? “See? It’s right there!” We only found that out later. The whole thing is tragic.
I love that none of them admitted the Clinton coverage was insane. It’s very Trumpian, I must say.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
So you’ve seen his topless pics.
schrodingers_cat
@kindness: Word
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Brachiator:
Lol. Phrasing!
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Way back in the Before Time in 2013-2014, something I’d like to forget. Good god, that was so fucked up and a sign of things to come when conservatives drooled over Putin
germy
New York is a “blue state” but there’s lots of crazies spread throughout:
wnyt.com/news/troy-police-investigation-hate-filled-stickers-/5450459/?cat=10114
West of the Rockies
@mrmoshpotato:
I fiercely dislike Blago. No sooner did Obama take office than Blago and JJ Jr. make the Democratic party look especially dirty. His pardon would be an annoyance.
eric
@dnfree: it is a lie. they are doing so when trump pardons himself and others, they can say democrats did not object when he did it for democrats or that it is based based on the principle that weaponizing political disgraeements should not make criminal liability. it is a long con.
Kay
I always think “time for a change” is important. Because remember they’re incumbents, which means UPHILL to dislodge them. Also- they hired all those low quality hacks who will gladly use government power to stay in power. The attorney general is Donald Trump’s lawyer. Except he’s on your payroll. Dining on baby swan at the Trump Family hotel.
Not easy! We’ll have to use a crowbar to get them out. They’re otherwise unemployable.
Jeffro
As we all might expect, Jen Rubin has an awesome piece up about why “naming and shaming” trumpov supporters/donors/GOP members of Congress is the the least that we can and should do. It’s awesome.
Chetan Murthy
@Eljai:
I feel it should be noted, that when Citizens United was decided, the SCOTUS majority (IIRC it was Kennedy who wrote this) argued that what with the Internet and all the ease of disclosure, there was no cause for concern, b/c donors and their contributions would be disclosed on the Internet so the public would be aware and informed, could make their own judgments.
Yeah, MAGA Habs is such a fucking traitor.
danielx
@AliceBlue:
Got that right. I live in Indiana, and there are absolutely parts of the state where if I had a Warren sticker on my car, I’d be seriously concerned about being run off the road or shot at. Not the part I live in, praise FSM, which is an amazingly cosmopolitan area – for Indiana. By which I mean that I see folks who appear to be India-type Indians, women wearing head scarves, lots of folks of other ethnicities etc., at the grocery every time I go in. So many Hispanic folk it’s not even worth noting. At least two Muslim schools that I drive by on a frequent basis, although no mosque – as of yet. Mind, all this is likely due to the proximity of the North American headquarters of a large multinational biotech firm, which definitely does not want its employees harrassed – therefore neither do the local authorities.
On the other hand, this area is, as friends of mine who live there once noted about Atlanta, an island of civilization and sanity in a sea of redneck shitheads.
Gin & Tonic
OT, but it’s looking like a hot night in Kyrgyzstan. Explainer here in English; current events on Twitter here, in Russian.
BlueGirlFromWyo
@Uncle Cosmo: The information is available at fec.gov. The only appropriate response to tell them so and say prove it, asshole.
catclub
@arrieve: I think Kristol is still wrong, here. What they deserve is to lose all their money and be re-born in the Sudan. As another said getting Elizabeth Warren to impose a 5% wealth tax is too good for (many of) them.
UncleEbeneezer
There is nothing more quintessentially “America” than: I strenuously object to racist views, but whole-heartedly support racist policies.
catclub
@Omnes Omnibus:
yeah, whatever happened to ‘sell in may and go away?’ as a vacation policy I could live with.
neldob
They maybe don’t like the obvious, deadly racism, but they love the corruption.
cwmoss
@Adam L Silverman: The NYT is the NPR of political reporting, and vice versa.
Mary G
@Gin & Tonic: Wow. Unfortunately I can see that same scenario happening with Twitler when the FBI comes to arrest him after he’s out of office.
rikyrah
@mrmoshpotato:
CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP
neldob
@Roger Moore: Write them, that’s what the RWNJ do, get on their comments section, anytime anyone call them left correct them, every time. Pressure them to change, do the unsubscribe thing for 6 months when they do something like egregious, like hire Bret Stephens then give that money to progressive radio or a good candidate. Don’t hand the field to the faux news ilk.
rikyrah
@Kay:
I feel you, Kay
catclub
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
I think the US dropping out of the INF makes Russia look less bad for regularly violating it.
gwangung
@Jeffro:
Conservatives should have thought of that after Giffords was shot and abortion doctors were killed.
SiubhanDuinne
Has anyone yet mentioned that this is a significant anniversary in the annals of bad presidents? It was 45 years ago today that Richard Nixon announced he would be resigning the presidency at noon the following day.
Assuming you were alive and old enough to remember, where were you when you watched/heard the news? I was working the evening shift at WUSF. No TV monitors in the radio studio or control room in those days, but I was carefully monitoring the NPR feed and heard Nixon’s announcement live* but saw no TV coverage of it until the next day.
*I distinctly remember letting out a loud, solitary whoop of joy. Pretty sure the mic was off.
jonas
@MJS:
The rest of that Twitter thread is awesome, with hundreds of posters declaring Spartacus-like that “I deserve Elizabeth Warren!” “No, I deserve Elizabeth Warren!” etc.
The Moar You Know
@germy: That does need to be put in quotes. It contains a very blue city with a population that well exceeds that of the rest of the state in which it resides. But most of that state is pretty backwards and some of it is downright terrifying, as in “I’d rather drive anywhere in the Deep South than here”
zhena gogolia
@The Moar You Know:
Absolutely. There are also certain parts of Connecticut that I wouldn’t advise driving through with a Kamala sticker. (I’ve done it.)
rikyrah
@TenguPhule:
Why is the Turtle’s account frozen?
jonas
How does the FTFNYT’s senior WH correspondent not know that political donations directly to a candidate’s campaign are public information?
The main fallout of this is probably that everyone will simply donate to a dark money PAC next time around where they can stay anonymous.
A Ghost To Most
@Kay:
Ain’t that the truth. There must be some “cool” factor about the Grey Lady that I. As an avoider of NYC, never got. And after Judith Miller, et al, never will.
Gin & Tonic
@SiubhanDuinne: It was my father’s birthday. He was not a Nixon fan, but he was not nearly as overjoyed as I was.
Gin & Tonic
@rikyrah: He (or his account-runner) posted a video about some “violent” protests that apparently violated some Twitter rule.
jl
So, Joaquin and Julian are twins? I knew they were brothers but didn’t know they were twins. Is there some kind of twin clause so Joaquin can jump into the presidential primary? I like his style.
I also like the push back against the very dishonest and hypocritical criticism of Joaquin publishing public records, and is one of the few mechanisms left in this country to put even a weak check on the mind boggling and rampant political corruption that runs our our various governments, local, state and national.
Candidates should name and shame every topped out contributor to any GOP candidate, even the fake moderates. I think one of the mistakes of centrist Democrats made re Trump in 2016 is to try to woo salvageable GOP voters by pretending that Trump is not a typical GOPer. Maybe that would have been true 40 years ago, but not now. Trump is just more open about it, just like Steve King.
Salvageable GOP voters have been winnowing themselves by leaving the GOP for Dems or independent status, which is on reason why Trump’s GOP approval ratings stay sky high while GOP ID among voters is decreasing in most areas of the country. I don’t see any reason to continue a pitch to salvageable GOP voters that does not work, may be very counterproductive and has the additional defect of being completely untrue.
Democrats need the courage to speak the truth, the whole GOP has gone Trumpster, and it was almost there even before Trump announced his candidacy. Time for sensible people to leave the GOP and vote all of them out of office.
Even if you can take Trump out of the GOP, no way you can take GOP out of Trump. They are the same thing now. And… yes, there’s more, it gets worse, that is true for the ugliest and most dangerous aspect of Trumpism: encouragement of white supremacist violence, and the white supremacist movement.
Republicans Have Been Coddling and Protecting Far Right Extremists for Decades
talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/republicans-have-been-coddling-and-protecting-far-right-extremists-for-…
jonas
@Eljai:
Well, DUH! That’s the point. I will suggest to the very, very concerned and sensitive Ms. Haberman, however, that perhaps the problem is, er, the fucking President. What’s next? “Hey, we can’t go around leaking that NAMBLA subscriber list! Think of how the people on it would feel!”
Spanky
@SiubhanDuinne: Tonight is also the 50th anniversary of the Manson Family murders. Not so relevant to a political top-10,000 blog, though.
Roger Moore
@neldob:
I think the main thing to do is to find another paper that does a better job and subscribe to that. For example, I subscribe to both the LA Times and the Washington Post.
rikyrah
@TenguPhule:
This is who this entire bunch is…remember Cameron getting out of dodge immediately?
rikyrah
Just sitting in the purse?
Huh????
Ain’t No Way: Estate Conflict Reveals Aretha Franklin Once Kept $750,000 in Uncashed Checks in Her Purse
Anne Branigin
Yesterday 8:00pm
Immanentize
@Adam L Silverman: Couldnt the House of Lords, in such a circumstance where parliament is closed, ask the EU for an extension?
Mike in NC
@The Moar You Know: I’ve been to Long Island many times, where basically every other person you meet is Archie Bunker.
We enjoyed a balmy day in Inverness, Scotland and are now underway for Lerwick in the Shetland Islands, last port of call in the UK.
catclub
@The Moar You Know:
Not so sure. Does it have fire ants?
?BillinGlendaleCA
@SiubhanDuinne:
At home with my parents in the Family Room watching on the TV(we may have still had the B/W TV then).
rikyrah
@jl:
no lie told
catclub
@TenguPhule:
My ‘prediction’ was that enough Tories will refuse to back a no-deal brexit and it gets stopped.
This seems to say that I may have counted too much on the competence of those Tory rebels. Like, they will revolt, but too late to actually stop the falling out on Oct 31. Wonderful.
MattF
@rikyrah: Twitter made a rule about not posting threats of violence and then made the bizarre error of enforcing the rule on a Republican… Note that one can argue that the rule, as stated, was dumb.
SiubhanDuinne
@Spanky:
Remember that very well, though had forgotten the date.
catclub
@zhena gogolia:
We had liberal friends who had a blue Karmann Ghia. Kamala sticker would be perfect.
Jay
catclub
@Mike in NC: So NC means North Celtic?
Another Scott
One for Cheryl – Reuters:
Hmm….
Cheers,
Scott.
SiubhanDuinne
@Gin & Tonic:
Still, that wasn’t a bad present for him.
Immanentize
@Roger Moore:
Ooopsie
Jay
Immanentize
@Spanky: oops. The above quote was for you, not 007:
“It’s too late,
To fall in love with Sharon Tate…”
SiubhanDuinne
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
We had transitioned to an enormous Sylvania color console — just a gigantic piece of furniture. My then-husband worked for a subsidiary of GT&E, which owned the Sylvania brand, so we were eligible for a ridiculous discount.
low-tech cyclist
@FelonyGovt:
It’s a tiny punch, but it’s a punch nonetheless.
It’s a start. Hopefully that’s not the end of it.
Keith P.
@mrmoshpotato: if Jared was smart/astute, he would have suggested a Don Siegelman pardon. Dems would be ok with that. But then again, he hasn’t been on TV enough.
catclub
Burying the lede: Headline at TPM (and others)
but note:
How about: Banks hand over Trump/Russia docs to House, State investigators.
Martin
@MJS: I think you’re taking that wrong. His argument is that the rich Hamptonites will tolerate the racism and violence so long as they get their tax cut. From the narrow view of the people whose only care is protecting their money, Warren is their worst case scenario as she’s pushing a wealth tax.
It’s not that Warren is bad for the country, it’s that she’s bad for those who only care about protecting their excessive wealth.
Omnes Omnibus
@The Moar You Know: @Mike in NC: Large cities are crucial to whether a state is blue or red. Illinois is saved from being Indiana only because Chicago is huge. Milwaukee and Madison are small enough that suppressing several thousand votes flips the state.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@SiubhanDuinne: Our first color TV was a Quasar by Motorola, the one with the circuitry in a drawer. My dad liked that cause it was easy for him to access the parts(he was a electrical engineer).
chris
Aww, so sad. Alternate headline: Bright Light Unfair to Cockroaches
bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-08/trump-s-hamptons-fundraisers-put-high-profile-donors-in-a-bin…
Jay
Jay
Stuck in moderation again,…..
raven
@Spanky: I was short then and I’m short now!
Keith P.
@MJS: He will make an excellent drone.
lurker dean
ugh. sounds like the notion of our government workers resisting from within isn’t quite reality, at least in the state department. the administration has caused so much damage.
“Since then, I have seen Trump assert the moral equivalence of violent white nationalists and those who oppose them, denigrate immigrants from “shithole countries” and separate children from their parents at the border, only to place them in squalid detention centers.
But almost three years since his election, what I have not seen is organized resistance from within. To the contrary, two senior Foreign Service officers admonished me for risking my career when I signed an internal dissent cable against the ban on travelers from several majority-Muslim countries in January 2017.
* * *
Instead, I am part of the Complacent State.
The Complacent State sighs when the president blocks travel by Muslim immigrants; shakes its head when he defends Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman; averts its gaze from images of children in detention camps. Then it complies with orders.”
Every day, we refuse visas based on administration priorities. We recite administration talking points on border security, immigration and trade. We plan travel itineraries, book meetings and literally hold doors open for the appointees who push Trump’s toxic agenda around the world.
washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-can-no-longer-justify-being-a-part-of-trumps-complacent-state-so-im-re…
Jay
Yutsano
@Adam L Silverman: There is also a by-election (LilBrit will know more about it) that could cost Johnson his majority today if the polling holds. So he may not have a choice in an election if a no confidence vote hits. There would be little to nothing keeping the DUP in coalition with him. I’ll probably know more when I get home tonight, but that’s the one thing that could upend everything.
ruemara
Sitting outside USCIS, sipping a decaf. Just an hour before my test & interview. I hope this goes quickly. And I hope no fascist funny business. What I love are my friends telling me I’ll ace the test. People. That’s not what I’m worrying about. Proof that people don’t listen to what they don’t want to hear.
Jay
trollhattan
@Spanky:
“Helter-skelter, da-na-na-na-na-na-na-na.”
I only found out maybe five years ago it’s what the Brits call a playground slide.
“Here, I know how to end this ‘Summer of Love’ crap.” BTW “The American Experience” Woodstock show earlier this week is really good. Entirely focused on the event’s history with just a little bit of the acts themselves. Good ol’ Wavy Gravy is prominently featured. The whole thing comes off as having been a mid-sized miracle.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@ruemara:
I hope it goes well for you and no bullshit schenigans happen
Jay
@ruemara:
Best wishes.
The Moar You Know
@Jay: We’re going to see a LOT of these defenses for the next decade or so. Hey, I get it. The lawyer’s got to try something, and since that’s the first thing they went to, I doubt they have very much in the way of exculpatory evidence.
Might work but I really doubt it. If his victim had been an adult odds would be pretty good, but it was a kid and jurors give a shit about pesky details like that.
trollhattan
@Immanentize:
That first Jim Carroll album was a cracker from start to finish. Man oh man….
prostratedragon
More on the destruction of the USDA Economic Research Service.
lurker dean
@ruemara: yes, hope for no BS!
Litlebritdifrnt
@Mike in NC: Did you see the monster in Loch Ness?
jl
@Jay: Thanks, I was just about to leave a comment on that. Talkingpointsmemo has a post about that gives context, and in this case, the context makes it worse. For example here is the unfit and somebody-who-should-be-impeached-right-now Barr expanding on his bogus insight. Which is not really an insight at all, I think every human being understands the visceral response to justice by vengeance. All of us at one time have the visceral impulse to brain some asshole over the head with a shovel. But almost all of us understand it is important to think things through and find also find the insight that the act and the impulse is deeply misguided on many levels. I don’t see any ‘but’ in Barr’s analysis.
In New Interview, Bill Barr Sees Dirty Harry, Death Wish As Justice Done Right
talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/bill-barr-interview-dirty-harry-death-wish-vigilante-justice
The only positive think I see in Barr’s comments is that he does say that justice as a process is insufficient for a workable society. There also has to be justice in outcome on a sufficiently regular basis for people to go along with normal governance. Actually, the Founders agreed, from Franklin to Jefferson to Madison to Hamilton. But the Founders had a horror of vigilante justice, and saw that for as sustainable and workable society of any sort, and especially for a democracy, if justice in result was not there, then the process of justice had to be improved.
But that insight seems to have escaped Barr’s notice. Barr is either a ruthless cynic, or a fat old dangerous fool who is losing it mentally. He is dangerous and unfit, and I think impeachment proceedings should be started against him asap.
This stuff is not rocket science. Fools of every description should be able to understand it. Say, the furnace in your basement is broke and leaking gas and it is deep winter with temps below zero. That is not sustainable. You can fix the leaking gas problem by blowing up the furnace (very bad idea) or you can call a repair person to fix the furnace. Barr has sympathies with the blow it all up method. Needs to be yanked out of office.
mrmoshpotato
@(((CassandraLeo))):
LOL I ran out of off-the-top-of-my-head things.
debit
@chris:
Brock Pierce? Pedophile and pimp, Brock Pierce?
Jay
Immanentize
@trollhattan:
Still one of my favorites of all time Nothing is True always gets me fired up.
ola azul
@Kay:
Yes to the first sentiment, but the thriving sinecures subsidized by wingnut welfare would suggest no to the latter.
When John “Torture Architect” Yoo can getta gig in fucking Berkeley after demonstrating to all his unfitness to be accepted in civil society much less learn the yutes his protected brand of barbarism, when Butcher Bill Kristol can getta gig on MSNBC ‘stead a being spat upon in public, it suggests to me there’s allus a lifeboat available to even the most feral scrambling rats. (I know, I know, Kristol is a critic of Trump. As is Rick Wilson, et al. Still horrible peeps with horrible histories, just waiting for a Republican who ain’t so stupid as Trump who knows not to say the quiet parts out loud. Their objections to Trump are more aesthetic than substantive. Trump is *embarrassing*. GeeDub? Not till W. cratered the economy did we get even the slightest misgivings about W.’s atrocities — and then only cuz even elite white folk was affected.)
Failing upward: dormant conservativism’s very lifeblood.
Immanentize
@jl:
Barr is plainly messaging that the DOJ will not interfere or prosecute acts of vigilante “justice.”. He went out of his way in the interview to include that view and those movies
chris
@debit: Well, the only known pedophile and pimp.
Miss Bianca
@SiubhanDuinne: I heard the news on the car radio while I was with my parents and brothers out west somewhere – we were on my very first big interstate trip, I recall – we had driven out to San Diego to see my grandmother, and I can’t remember whether we were on our way out or on our way back, but I *definitely* remember hearing Tricky Dick making the announcement.
HeleninEire
@ruemara: Good Luck.
jl
@ola azul: I don’t mind their help right now, and therefore won’t reject there arguments,, but when and only when they are right and right with sound arguments. I won’t go along with ‘even reasonable GOPer X says…” weak sauce type argument. I do think that we need to call out all of them when they start arguing explicitly or implicitly for a continuation of the current corrupt racket (and they will do that) , As election time approaches, and campaign season arrives, need to oppose them vigorously when they start giving Democrats bad advice (which they will)
They will in very concern troll fashion start advocating for Democrats who will go along with acquiescence in current rotten system. We need to be alert when that happens.
Jay
A Ghost To Most
@SiubhanDuinne: I’ve been thinking about it all day. That was a big day.
I had put the over/under for T to crater at Aug 9. I did not account for Barr.
randy khan
@L85NJGT:
The Times recognized a long time ago that the buggy whip industry was going to decline and started making accelerators (so to speak) to go with the whips – it has been one of the most aggressive news organizations in moving into digital. About 40% of its subscription revenues are now digital, and those revenues have been growing at double-digit rates for quite a while. The number of digital subscriptions has grown 30% in the last year and long ago passed the number of print subscribers.
In the end, probably less than 10 big daily newspapers in the U.S. (maybe less than 5) will survive the shift to the online world. The Times is on the short list of newspapers that have a good chance to be in that group.
WhatsMyNym
@ruemara: The woman who interviewed me was an immigrant as well. I had probably lived here longer. The test was pretty straight forward.
randy khan
@SiubhanDuinne:
I was 14 and we watched on the TV in our family room. My mom’s birthday was the next day, and she always said that Nixon leaving office was the best birthday present she ever got.
mrmoshpotato
@rikyrah: And Nigel Farage (sp). Where’s that fucker?
Eagerly awaiting the return of Mock The Week and The Mash Report.
Ben Cisco
@ruemara: Best of luck to you.
The Moar You Know
@randy khan: Agreed. I think it will be less than five, myself. As a SoCal resident I gotta be a little bit concerned that I’m not seeing ANY West Coast news outlets in that group. The LA Times, the only decent news service here, has been on life support for a couple of decades now. It won’t be them. The rest – San Diego’s UT Group, SFGate…not even worth mentioning. They were always garbage. The Mercury News long ago passed into the realm of the also-rans, sad, as they were the only readable paper in the Bay Area.
Where do most of my neighbors get their news from? Same as most other people, Facebook and Nextdoor.
Damn.
Mike in NC
@Litlebritdifrnt: We saw neither the Culloden battlefield nor Loch Ness, unfortunately, as much as we would have liked to visit. The cruise line offers ‘optional’ tour packages that are basically an expensive scam, so we just go with the included tours.
ola azul
@jl:
Pace David “Always-Wrong” Brooks as the poster-boy for smarmy concern-troll bad advice aimed at the squishy totebagger set.
But I take your point. Just galls the living fuck outta me that the most horrible abettors of the W.-era abattoir get to rehabilitate their careers across all platforms, whereas actual, you know, liberals, who’ve been right about the right all along, must fight like hell just to getta hearing. (And then be accused of being too “radical” into the bargain.)
MattF
@randy khan: Your mom and I share a birthday.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Immanentize:
What about vigilante justice against white supremacist terrorists? I have a feeling Barr’s DOJ will prosecute those instances of being the “wrong” sort of vigilantes
jl
@ola azul: I think we are generally on the same page. GW Bush was a fricken Newton-Einstein level genius compared to Trump. He was probably least personally racist or bigoted GOP president in recent times (or since US Grant and Theodore Roosevelt…?) But that is a low bar and tells you something about what has happened to the GOP.
But you can’t say that without also reminding people that in terms of immediate objectively measurable damage (Katrina, Iraq invasion, heedless and mindless deregulation, and more…) GW’s term dwarfs what Trump has done so far. Both very bad news. That Trump is too unfocused and lacks the attention span to carry through sufficiently on horribly bad ideas to create an immense disaster asap is just a happenstance.
Both get F grades, just for different reasons. No excuse for ever forgetting that.
Edit: and note that GW Bush’s relative (only relative I think) lack of personal bigotry, didn’t stop his administration from supporting very racist and bigoted policies.
Omnes Omnibus
@The Moar You Know: I would be interested in seeing a citation showing that most people get their news from Facebook and NextDoor.
Philbert
@SiubhanDuinne: A when Nixon quit. Sweet memories! I was about to go to my swing shift machine shop job. I watched and went to work, the boss said, no more swing shift, you’re all on days now, and took us to a bar.
ola azul
@jl:
Exactly. But point being, imo: If yer more’n willing to ride the racist tiger while holding that you ain’t a bigot, as were GeeDub, and Kristol, and Wilson, and Brooksie, and every-single-on a these motherfuckers, in my mind there ain’t a dime’s worth a difference betwixt who you hopes you ain’t and who you actually is. Your passive complicity damns you.
In some (admittedly awful) ways, Trump’s inability to lie effectively and with subtlety on race is an unintentional national service. Pulls back the curtain on the whole 40-year project of the Southern strategy that started with Lee Atwater’s Faustian observation about how you reach white folk who don wanna think of themselves as racist thru code-words like “busing”.
Trump, being illiterate of the code and a life-long racist, simply blurts the quiet parts out loud, which is hella embarrassing for alla these sophisticated flaks who’ve traded in racist rhetoric for years without ever soiling their beautiful minds once about what that sez about THEM.
The Stephen A. Ross’s of the world wanna pretend that just cuz they loves them some sweet, sweet tax cuts, they can have without getting be fouled by Trump’s racism. Only advantage to Trump’s blockhead ed bluntness is it makes it much harder to disavow. That shit smell, Stephen A. Ross. It’s yer greed mix with yer cowardice, n it’s plain to all.
laura
@ruemara: sending you a shield of light and love. All the best Ruemara…
SiubhanDuinne
@ruemara:
Wishing for a quick, easy, and successful result! Thinking of you.
SiubhanDuinne
@Philbert:
Love that!
J R in WV
@schrodingers_cat:
I thot and intended to be invisible to the FTNYT, which I do admire in some arenas, but despise their political propaganda arm and so don’t even click on their stories.
But just yesterday I got in the mail an envelope offering me a Sunday Times subscription, cheap at first, then evolving into a $10 a week subscription. Nah, just nope, not gonna do that.
J R in WV
@Amir Khalid:
Yes they do.
That’s why I vary between calling them Repugnants and Russo-Republicans — any opinions as to which is more appropriate?
geg6
@SiubhanDuinne:
I was glued to the tv like the rising high school sophomore political junkie that I was. I had watched what I could over the previous year and a half (school was an annoying interruption to my addiction to the Senate hearings) and I had watched the House hearings all summer when I wasn’t in the pool. Such a satisfying day!
mrmoshpotato
@J R in WV: +1 for Repugnants!
J R in WV
@jonas:
Well, Maggie Haberman isn’t a reporter at all. She’s a propagandist. This is why she was shocked to learn that critical election donation information was by law available to the public. She herself has never looked up that infornation. She doesn’t need it, her clients tell her what to “report” via her outlet.
She grew up in a household with one wage earner working for the NYT and the other a VP of a PR firm, that just happened to run PR for the Trump Org. So learned about propaganda at an early age.
geg6
@ruemara:
Crossing my fingers and sending good thoughts.
J R in WV
@Jay:
This concept won’t help. IIRC this criminal is a Veteran of some sort, so he had classes in illegal orders and how the military can’t follow illegal orders. Surely, cracking the skull of a minor at a rodeo is the height of illegal orders!
schrodingers_cat
@ruemara: Good luck!
Yutsano
@ruemara: LUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!
Tenar Arha
@J R in WV: I’m kinda fond of the Grabby Old Party, or Rethuglicans, but those work too ??
Bill Arnold
@Jeffro:
Agree. Here’s a handy link to her columns. (Either subscribe, or open links in new private browser window.)
Jennifer Rubin – Opinion writer covering politics and policy, foreign and domestic
It has been a joy to watch the results of her cleansing herself of the intellectual incoherence of the right. She’s a very active columnist, too.
(((CassandraLeo)))
@J R in WV: @Tenar Arha: Replicants could work for the Blade Runner fans out there, except it’s unfair to the likes of Rachael, Roy Baty, and K., who demonstrate redeeming qualities. Also, every time I get asked that tortoise question from the Voight-Kampff test now, I end up failing it on account of just thinking of Moscow Mitch. I suppose we are all replicants now.
@mrmoshpotato: I’d have gone onto the media next, and I’d have been there all day just compiling a list of them.
Ghost of Joe Lieblings Dog
@Amir Khalid:
You had me up to “Republcans think”…
Uncle Cosmo
@Central Planning: @BlueGirlFromWyo: In a sane world, whoever made that claim would be on the hook to prove it, but sanity left the building a long time ago. Since we all know the Far Wrong lies its arse off as loud as it can, IMO it would be more useful, rather than getting into a shouting match, if someone with more time & Net chops than I would bang the FEC list against Castro’s & post the results showing there was no scrubbing.
CapnMubbers
@ruemara: Way late to the thread but all the good wishes on your test/interview. Hope you and your gorgeous kitties are celebrating, feeling good about how it went.
H.E.Wolf
@ruemara:
Getting here very late, but I’m posting you a good-luck wish anyway. Hoping we’ll soon be fortunate enough to claim you as a fellow citizen!
rekoob
@SiubhanDuinne: Late to the thread on this (as always), but I was a pre-teen traveling with my family in the South Pacific, making a wide loop to arrive at the American Bar Association’s 1974 Annual Meeting, which was in Honolulu that year (Dad was a litigator). My parents, no fans of Nixon, posited that he would resign before we got back to the US. They were right.
Ghost of Joe Lieblings Dog
@J R in WV:
I’ve long favored “Rape-the-publicans”. It may be more literal than metaphor anymore though.
gorram
@rikyrah: This is the vibe I gave off as a bartender, because I would carry my bag into work, get my tips, put them in it, and keep it within eyeshot the whole shift, leave with it, and keep it in my room. I only got my tips stolen once in two years as a result though (before they had been handed to me!), so I gotta say as a strategy it works in a certain sense (but whew boy, does it make you paranoid to be your own bank).
gorram
I also weirded out the rest of the staff (and management) because I kept a notebook of how many hours I worked in a given tipping/pay period, to make sure I was never short changed. Management once remarked that I never found a discrepancy, but like, how would I know there was one without that?
gorram
@The Moar You Know: At least in the East Bay there’s the EBX, but it’s not really of the same caliber, but as local Official papers have collapsed, they’ve filed the gap in terms of local reporting. They don’t have the same resources though (it’s literally a free newsletter on the street corner), and it shows.
gorram
@Ghost of Joe Lieblings Dog: This ain’t it, sorry. I see where you’re coming from, but this isn’t the right direction to go in…