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The rest of the comments were smacking Boebert like she was a piñata.

So it was an October Surprise A Day, like an Advent calendar but for crime.

Never entrust democracy to any process that requires Republicans to act in good faith.

If senate republicans had any shame, they’d die of it.

Russian mouthpiece, go fuck yourself.

My right to basic bodily autonomy is not on the table. that’s the new deal.

… pundit janitors mopping up after the gop

A sufficient plurality of insane, greedy people can tank any democratic system ever devised, apparently.

They fucked up the fucking up of the fuckup!

The gop is a fucking disgrace.

“Loving your country does not mean lying about its history.”

The Giant Orange Man Baby is having a bad day.

The “burn-it-down” people are good with that until they become part of the kindling.

Republicans: “Abortion is murder but you can take a bus to get one.” Easy peasy.

Dear media: perhaps we ought to let Donald Trump speak for himself!

The low info voters probably won’t even notice or remember by their next lap around the goldfish bowl.

Hot air and ill-informed banter

The current Supreme Court is a dangerous, rogue court.

Republicans don’t lie to be believed, they lie to be repeated.

Their freedom requires your slavery.

Our job is not to persuade republicans but to defeat them.

Republicans choose power over democracy, every day.

Today’s gop: why go just far enough when too far is right there?

Whatever happens next week, the fight doesn’t end.

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You are here: Home / Pet Blogging / Cat Blogging / Monday Morning Open Thread: Stay Wary

Monday Morning Open Thread: Stay Wary

by Anne Laurie|  August 19, 20194:50 am| 117 Comments

This post is in: Cat Blogging, Election 2020, Nature & Respite, Open Threads, Popular Culture

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Rescue angel and beloved commentor Satby:

Since people have been hearing about my foster adventures with these three I thought I would share a picture for a respite / open thread. The little black and white one is the feral kitten, you can see he prefers to keep a sharp eye on me.

The marks on the floor are water stains aggravated by constant upending of water bowls. Carpet goes when they do!


 
Elsewhere…

Feels like an incumbent who can’t break 40% against any top challenger is in trouble, but we don’t know how many of these voters were polled in rust belt diners. pic.twitter.com/frKnLP3PFo

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) August 15, 2019

In much the same way that climate change won’t impact unicorns https://t.co/1Bbd8bVU9D

— Sady Doyle (@sadydoyle) August 18, 2019

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117Comments

  1. 1.

    Patricia Kayden

    August 19, 2019 at 4:55 am

    Such cute kitties to start off a new week. I must be one of the few people who loved the final season of GOT. Was sad to see it come to an end though.

  2. 2.

    rikyrah

    August 19, 2019 at 4:57 am

    Good Morning, Everyone ???

  3. 3.

    JPL

    August 19, 2019 at 5:04 am

    @rikyrah: Good Morning and a special thanks to Satby for starting our day with pics of kittens.

  4. 4.

    rikyrah

    August 19, 2019 at 5:05 am

    Cute ???from satby

  5. 5.

    rikyrah

    August 19, 2019 at 5:06 am

    ????

    EssenViews (@essenviews) Tweeted:
    Trump: “You have no choice but to vote for me, because your 401(k)’s down the tubes, everything’s gonna be down the tubes,” Trump said while speaking in Manchester, N.H. “So whether you love me or hate me, you gotta vote for me,” he added. 

    https://t.co/bSWk5X52ox https://twitter.com/essenviews/status/1162216422446993408?s=17

  6. 6.

    Mary G

    August 19, 2019 at 5:09 am

    My houses have always had water damage from cats. No matter what bowls/fountains/drippers I tried.

    The little feral is adorable. Thanks for all you do, satby.

  7. 7.

    cain

    August 19, 2019 at 5:10 am

    Fuck G.R.R. Martin (grrr) that guy stretched those books out. Seriously 4 pages a day? Moron.

  8. 8.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 19, 2019 at 5:11 am

    Too much cuteness for a Monday morn. Blech.

  9. 9.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 19, 2019 at 5:20 am

    @cain: They are his books. He gets to write them anyway he wants. Shit. My book has been progressing at 4 pages per year.

  10. 10.

    Baud

    August 19, 2019 at 5:37 am

    @rikyrah:

    Good morning.

  11. 11.

    Amir Khalid

    August 19, 2019 at 5:52 am

    Alas, I am again faced with the problem of the kitteh pics not loading for me. Hallp!!

  12. 12.

    Mel

    August 19, 2019 at 5:52 am

    Those little babies are just perfect! The tortoiseshell tabby orange kiddos are so pretty, but I love love love that little feral tuxedo kitty.

    Thank you for all the care and kindness you are giving those foster little ones. They’ll take that love forward into their new families and make who knows how many people’s lives happier!

  13. 13.

    MagdaInBlack

    August 19, 2019 at 5:54 am

    Kitties on a Monday morning ?
    Thank you !
    Now I better attend to mine ?

  14. 14.

    Amir Khalid

    August 19, 2019 at 5:56 am

    @rikyrah:
    I seem to be missing a key part of Trump’s argument. If people’s retirement savings are going down the tubes on his watch, if everything’s going down the tubes, just why do they have no choice but to vote for him?

  15. 15.

    Patricia Kayden

    August 19, 2019 at 5:58 am

    @rikyrah: Because of his stupid tax law, I got a much lower refund so Trump has already screwed up my finances. No thanks to more of that.

  16. 16.

    Mel

    August 19, 2019 at 6:10 am

    @Mary G: Our Maine Coon mix rescue boy weighed nearly 20 pounds. Our old house had long windows with the original (drafty!!) wavy antique glass panes still intact.

    We had a narrow, tall cat tree upstairs that our 6 pound Oriental Shorthair liked to lounge on while he looked out the window at squirrels, or watched the neighbor kids playing in their yard in the afternoon.

    Big Maine Coon guy decided on his second day post rescue that the skinny cat tree looked like the place to be, took a flying leap from the bed to the cat tree, and knocked it right out the second story window.

    He proceeded to stroll back across the room jump up on the bed and casually clean his tail while we stood there agog, looking at the gaping hole where our window had been.

    He never realized his size, I think. He would try to cuddle into laps, and seemed so puzzled as to why he wouldn’t fit. Sweetest cat ever.

  17. 17.

    Mustang Bobby

    August 19, 2019 at 6:12 am

    Well, it’s finally here: my last day on the job at Miami-Dade County Public Schools. I get two weeks of vacation to use up my unused vacation days, then I’m officially retired on August 31. But on September 3 I go back to work, this time for a local charter school to basically pick up where I leave off here: doing grants administration and providing support to the ongoing quest for funding for education. So, as I said at my retirement party, it’s not goodbye; it’s just intermission. And I’ll have more time to hang out here, you lucky ducks. :)

  18. 18.

    Baud

    August 19, 2019 at 6:20 am

    @Mustang Bobby:

    Congratulations!

  19. 19.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 19, 2019 at 6:23 am

    @Mustang Bobby: Yahoo!

  20. 20.

    rikyrah

    August 19, 2019 at 6:30 am

    @Mustang Bobby:
    Congratulations!????

  21. 21.

    MomSense

    August 19, 2019 at 6:38 am

    Awww, Sweet kitties. New job starts today. See you Jackals later.

    @Mustang Bobby:

    Congrats!!?

  22. 22.

    JPL

    August 19, 2019 at 6:39 am

    @MomSense: Good luck

    @Mustang Bobby: I’m glad that you will be around more. Enjoy your vacay before your new job starts.

  23. 23.

    satby

    August 19, 2019 at 6:49 am

    @rikyrah: Good morning ?
    @OzarkHillbilly: ?
    @Mustang Bobby: big congrats!

    And thanks to all who thanked me. My little charges actually went to the kitten whisperer’s this weekend so that they could get their immunizations and the feral get more intensive socializing. He’s so tiny compared to the other two, who were supposed to be 8 weeks in that picture. If the little guy does well, he’ll be adopted. If not we would normally bring him to one of our network of farmers to be a barn cat after they’re spayed or neutered, but I said I would take him back if he’s not adoptable. He got a raw deal being separated from his mom so young.

  24. 24.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 19, 2019 at 6:50 am

    Shake it if you got it, Baby.

  25. 25.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 19, 2019 at 6:52 am

    Fake accident claim cheat caught on camera.

  26. 26.

    satby

    August 19, 2019 at 6:53 am

    @Patricia Kayden: I had to pay over my withholding for the first time in 25 years. And my income is 1/3 what it was when I was a corporate drone. Mostly SS.

  27. 27.

    satby

    August 19, 2019 at 6:56 am

    @Mel: that’s a great cat story! Glad he didn’t fall out of the window.

  28. 28.

    HeartlandLiberal

    August 19, 2019 at 6:59 am

    Further down on front page I see the reports on the Nazis marching in Portland. Bloomington, Indiana here in south central Indiana made the NYTimes, a long article. Link below, assuming this comment will post with a link in it. The Farmers market was cancelled for a few weeks because a couple were outed for being white supremacists, identitarians;

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/18/us/indiana-farmers-market-white-supremacy.html

    To be honest about this, this is one of those cases where they were not doing anything, were not promoting ideology, just selling vegetables, but activists outed them, and it went all downhill from there. But it is symptomatic of Trump’s America, and how the racist right and neo-Nazis feel liberated by Trump and the GOP. The Farmers Market here is a long standing institution, people of the city turn out for it in droves. and it was threatened with extinction.

    What the NYTimes did not report, at least I did not see it, is that some local co-ops have apparently started up a counter farmers market which promises NOT to allow white nationalists or hate groups to participate. Not sure how that supports freedom of expression, and I think it undermines a long standing valuable institution supported by the city. FWIW, the very liberal Democratic mayor of the city was pretty specific in supporting freedom of speech through all this.

    FWIW, I saw somewhere this morning a photo of Dwight Eisenhower, labeled as a member of antifa. I thought that sums up nicely how far the GOP has fallen.

  29. 29.

    debbie

    August 19, 2019 at 7:06 am

    @rikyrah:

    Spoken by the man who sent them all down the tube. //

  30. 30.

    NotMax

    August 19, 2019 at 7:07 am

    Spoke with a friend for the first time in a long while, perhaps as long as a couple of years. He’s the kind of guy who is constantly busy during his free time with more hobbies than Heinz has varieties. Includes taking astronomy photos during the wee hours. Always suspected he only sleeps like four hours at night, otherwise don’t see how he can fit it all in.
    Anyhoo, found out what the latest thing is he’s into.

    Building 42 foot long rockets powered by LOx and kerosene. He has to get FAA clearance to launch them.

  31. 31.

    debbie

    August 19, 2019 at 7:10 am

    @satby:

    Sweet photo, but isn’t the feral’s just being with the other two kittens a sign of his sociability?

    @Mustang Bobby: (jealous):

    Congratulations to you!

  32. 32.

    debbie

    August 19, 2019 at 7:11 am

    @MomSense:

    Good luck, and here’s hoping for a calm, rage-free commute!

  33. 33.

    Jager

    August 19, 2019 at 7:17 am

    @HeartlandLiberal:
    The Birchers used to label Ike, a “commie dupe”

  34. 34.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    August 19, 2019 at 7:20 am

    @Mustang Bobby: Congrats! Though I have to say it sounds like you’re not good at retiring.

  35. 35.

    Chyron HR

    August 19, 2019 at 7:20 am

    @rikyrah:

    “You have no choice but to vote for me, because your 401(k)’s down the tubes”

    My 401(k) was fine three years ago, you fat sack of shit!

  36. 36.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 19, 2019 at 7:27 am

    @NotMax: Quite few people engage in that hobby. To me it’s gotta be a hell of a lot more fun than going to the shooting range and blasting thru a thousand rounds of ammo. Might even be cheaper.

  37. 37.

    rikyrah

    August 19, 2019 at 7:29 am

    This is Serwer’s response to those coming down on the 1619 Project as anti-American:??

    Adam Serwer? (@AdamSerwer) Tweeted:
    @pegobry On the contrary, it is a testament to black commitment to American values that they have championed them for centuries despite being excluded from them. Equally revealing is the shallow patriotism of those who cannot love their country without blinding themselves to its history. https://twitter.com/AdamSerwer/status/1162417723114176512?s=17

  38. 38.

    NotMax

    August 19, 2019 at 7:32 am

    @OzarkHillbilly

    42 feet long! Mind boggled. Not that he’s not handy with tools – made his own chain mail when he was involved with the SCA.

  39. 39.

    rikyrah

    August 19, 2019 at 7:33 am

    ???
    #FeminismIsTheRealRevolution (@GabbieKDrice) Tweeted:
    The. History. Of. American. Slavery. Is. Built. On. Racial. Lenses. Why are white men so frightened of the history of white men in America? Because y’all would have to admit it’s rigged for YOUR success and no one else’s? https://t.co/mEQmr2nblM https://twitter.com/GabbieKDrice/status/1163275191889408000?s=17

  40. 40.

    rikyrah

    August 19, 2019 at 7:35 am

    This still gives me joy Everytime I watch it ????
    https://twitter.com/soledadobrien/status/1162461474515759104

  41. 41.

    rikyrah

    August 19, 2019 at 7:37 am

    Absolutely. Every Democrat should frame it this way. Everyday. All day. Until November 2020.

    https://twitter.com/BreakandEnterTV/status/1163099032895537152

  42. 42.

    rikyrah

    August 19, 2019 at 7:38 am

    ??????

    Soledad O’Brien (@soledadobrien) Tweeted:
    Listen, if people were unashamed of attending Epstein dinner parties—post his pedophelia conviction—everyone will be just fine welcoming Ivanka and Jared back to NYC. And the NY Times will chronicle her return with zero context. Predicting this now. https://twitter.com/soledadobrien/status/1163058630914125824?s=17

  43. 43.

    rikyrah

    August 19, 2019 at 7:40 am

    Bree Newsome Bass (@BreeNewsome) Tweeted:
    Just so we’re clear, conservatives argue that America was more united when we were literally segregated and that things are more divisive whenever Black people assert our citizenship or humanity.

    Just so we’re clear, that’s white supremacy. https://twitter.com/BreeNewsome/status/1163228842389118983?s=17

  44. 44.

    satby

    August 19, 2019 at 7:41 am

    @debbie: sociable to humans. Ferals can be social to other cats just fine, it’s humans they don’t mesh well with. This guy tried multiple times to bite me, but accepted that I was picking him up to feed by the time they left. Ferals want no human contact, no pets, nothing… but he’s young enough that we may be able to teach him.

  45. 45.

    satby

    August 19, 2019 at 7:44 am

    @MomSense: It’s too late because you’ve certainly left by now, but best of luck!

  46. 46.

    Baud

    August 19, 2019 at 7:49 am

    @rikyrah:

    Good tweet.

  47. 47.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 19, 2019 at 7:51 am

    @NotMax: Yeah, it ain’t cheap, and they get super involved, but imagine how cool it would be to touch the stratosphere with something you made.

  48. 48.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 19, 2019 at 7:59 am

    @rikyrah: Too much fun.

  49. 49.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    August 19, 2019 at 8:01 am

    Here’s an interview of Rachel Bitecofer at Slate. She’s the one who predicted the 2018 election accurately. She predicts a 2020 D victory for the presidency and a retained House majority, but the prediction depends on motivated voters and high turnout.

  50. 50.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 19, 2019 at 8:02 am

    @rikyrah: Sadly, there are few things as American as racism. It’s right up there with George Washington, apple pie, and baseball.

  51. 51.

    Kay

    August 19, 2019 at 8:03 am

    @rikyrah:

    I’m reading their critiques of the “concept” – none of them have read it, so we’re in concept critique territory here- and they’re just wrong:

    Timothy Sandefur
    @TimothySandefur
    ·Aug 17
    But America began with a declaration that all men are created equal—which was understood the moment it was uttered as rendering slavery anathema.

    Then this:

    The Fugitive Slave Act of 1793 was an Act of the United States Congress to give effect to the Fugitive Slave Clause of the US Constitution (Article 4, Section 2, Clause 3), which was later superseded by the Thirteenth Amendment.

    To say the declaration was the reality and not the laws seems insane to me. They know these two things are inconsistent – “created equal”, “fugitive slave act” so they come down on the side of what the United States declared rather than the actual laws at the time?

    They want to say “look at the declaration and the aspiration and not the actual laws or actions!” and they insist everyone else look at it that way too. But why do have to join them? There’s a lot of problems with their theory! I personally don’t think it hangs together. They’re going to have to explain some of these contradictions. They’re all sneering that it’s “social science” but these laws weren’t “social science”. They were the laws of the United States, and they were put in after 1776. If we were trying to invent “all men are created equal” we weren’t doing a very good job.

  52. 52.

    Baud

    August 19, 2019 at 8:05 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    but the prediction depends on motivated voters and high turnout.

    I was kind of hoping we could find a way to without voters turning out.

  53. 53.

    satby

    August 19, 2019 at 8:07 am

    So the board of the Farmer’s Market took up the question of dividing the space left by the butcher shop that pulled out and interviewed me regarding my application to purchase 8 feet of it for a booth. But it seems that they decided to divide the space differently than what I and another vendor who owns the space next door proposed. I have to look at how they divvied it up, but it may leave me with no outside door, and that’s a dealbreaker for me. I think the third potential owner wanted two doors and spoke to the board first. But I’m also skeptical she’s going to come up with the money to actually purchase, so the whole thing might fall through.
    So much drama over so little.

  54. 54.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 19, 2019 at 8:08 am

    @Kay:

    If we were trying to invent “all men are created equal” we weren’t doing a very good job.

    Hmmmm… So all the male slaves sold for the same price?

  55. 55.

    Baud

    August 19, 2019 at 8:11 am

    @Kay:

    They don’t want to acknowledge the work that black people did to make those aspirations a reality.

  56. 56.

    satby

    August 19, 2019 at 8:11 am

    @Kay: @OzarkHillbilly: Conservatives like the sound of the lofty principles, they just don’t want them put into practice.

  57. 57.

    Baud

    August 19, 2019 at 8:14 am

    @Baud:

    …”to win without…”

    It’s going to be one of those days.

  58. 58.

    Kay

    August 19, 2019 at 8:15 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    We’re supposed to ignore all the laws and actions post-1776 and instead focus solely on the aspirational ideal. That’s how we determine motive and intent – we look exclusively at what people say and not what they do. So if Lyndon Johnson had just said “all men are created equal” and never brought forth any civil rights laws, that’s exactly the same as championing and passing civil rights laws. No actions necessary. Just declarations.

    It’s actually really consistent with how they treat Trump. He “doesn’t have a racist bone in his body” Did he or did he NOT say that? Well, then why are you calling him a racist? He declared differently!

  59. 59.

    Kay

    August 19, 2019 at 8:22 am

    @Baud:

    I find it literally disgusting how much of conservatism consists of “me, me, me”. Everything is a reflection on them. An AA poet can’t write a poem without it being taken as some personal insult to CATO employees.

    We were supposed to be talking about slavery and instead we are once again talking about how conservatives perceive themselves. We’re not permitted to look at another view of historical events and their impact because that makes individual, modern conservatives doubt how fabulous they are. Ted Cruz looks at this NYTimes project and sees an attack on the GOP. It’s just the level of self-centeredness. It’s pathological. They are CONSUMED with their own starring role in the country. They have to be, MUST be, the only true Americans.

  60. 60.

    Betty Cracker

    August 19, 2019 at 8:23 am

    New NBC/WSJ poll indicates Trump is in trouble with every sector of white folks except non-college men, performs abysmally with African Americans and remains deeply underwater with Hispanics:

    Among African-Americans:
    Trump 7%
    Dem 91%

    Hispanics:
    Trump 28%
    Dem 64%

    — Steve Kornacki (@SteveKornacki) August 19, 2019

    Trump’s campaign pollsters must be telling them something similar, which explains all the “women for Trump” outreach.

  61. 61.

    Walker

    August 19, 2019 at 8:26 am

    @cain:

    That is a really good pace. If legit (doubtful), that means he can finish one of these books in a year. That is how long Sanderson takes on a comparable novel.

  62. 62.

    Baud

    August 19, 2019 at 8:27 am

    @Kay:

    To be fair, almost all truth telling is an attack on the GOP because it undermines the lies that keep them in power.

  63. 63.

    Kay

    August 19, 2019 at 8:28 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    I think it’s hopeful too. I wonder if people are just sick of the chaos and plain meanness. The lack of generosity. How it’s all so cramped and petty and vindictive. They’re really dispiriting people, Trump and his hires.

    Or, you know, it just occurred to them that they have a shit load of personal debt and overtime has dried up. The party’s winding down.

  64. 64.

    L85NJGT

    August 19, 2019 at 8:29 am

    Bill Clinton’s birthday today – the Atlantic’s self-serving think piece is wildly off mark.

  65. 65.

    Betty Cracker

    August 19, 2019 at 8:31 am

    @Kay: No wonder Republicans fell into line behind a narcissist like Trump so quickly; he perfectly reflects the GOP’s preexisting solipsism and whiny claims to victimization.

  66. 66.

    Kay

    August 19, 2019 at 8:33 am

    @Baud:

    It just seems perfectly valid to me to say “ok, we have grounded our concept of ourselves in the declarations of principles but there’s this alternative way of looking at it, where we COULD look at the laws and actions”. How is that invalid? That’s legit.
    IMO, their view is much more “social science” than the other. They’re asking us to attribute motives and intent that are contrary to actions. That’s pretty abstract! A LOT of filling in going on there.
    They support the “ideal”. Ya know, in their hearts. They just oppose every concrete action to reach the ideal. What are black people supposed to do with that? It’s useless.

  67. 67.

    Immanentize

    August 19, 2019 at 8:34 am

    @Kay:
    The Declaration of Independence was not in any way a law. It was a manifesto. Of a few white men. Never democratically approved by the people — many/most who either didn’t care about Independence because they were just getting by or were openly pro-England. There was no country for which it could be the law yet.

    Now the Constitution, 3/5 counting for apportionment, the fugitive slave act, etc. That there was law as this country wanted it.

  68. 68.

    Baud

    August 19, 2019 at 8:37 am

    @L85NJGT:

    I’ve come to the conclusion that everything anyone ever says about the Clintons is wrong and will be for the rest of our lives.

    @Kay:

    Aspirations are necessary but not sufficient. Conservatives want us to ignore the insufficiency because it makes them look bad.

  69. 69.

    Kay

    August 19, 2019 at 8:41 am

    @Immanentize:

    I’ll say they “wanted it”. They sure did. They fought a war over it. They decimated their own population over keeping it. They had to pass other constitutional amendments to specifically overturn it. All of this sneering over how it isn’t “history”. It sure as hell is history and it’s much more solid than gazing into George Washington’s heart and determining he didn’t have a racist bone in his body. It is bizarre for adults to take this so personally. You shouldn’t be permitted to keep this sappy, sentimental view of history past 4th grade. You have to grow up.

  70. 70.

    Searcher

    August 19, 2019 at 8:49 am

    @Kay: While there are definitely too many out and proud racist white people who actively, constantly hate the existence of black people and other minorities, there’s another type of racist white person who just finds them icky and frightening and doesn’t want to be around black people, or worse, their children to be around black children.

    One type of racist isn’t necessarily better than another, but it’s worth recognizing the existence of the second type because they are where so much of the contradiction and ear-plugging comes from. The out and proud racists would be happy to point to the racism in the Constitution and demand we honor it. The type-2 racists want to pretend to be good people, but don’t want to risk any policies that, in improving the lives of minorities, might allow those minorities into their not-technically-gated communities and not-technically-segregated schools.

  71. 71.

    kindness

    August 19, 2019 at 8:55 am

    You know what is funny about George RR Martin saying when he writes his last books about GOT they don’t have to follow the HBO series? George writes 900 page opus’ and as far as I am concerned the 9 season HBO series was the Cliff Notes for all of them.

    Guess which one most people are happy to partake?

  72. 72.

    SFAW

    August 19, 2019 at 8:55 am

    Relative to nothing in particular:

    I found this gem over a Mrs. Betty Bowers (America’s Best Christian) feed:

    I just realized that the word “HYPOCRITES” works as an acronym too:

    Having Your Politics Override Christ Really Is The Evangelical Scam.

  73. 73.

    rikyrah

    August 19, 2019 at 8:56 am

    Some more cuteness overload ❤️

    ???

    https://twitter.com/francisobrienUK/status/1162680043958689793

  74. 74.

    TS (the original)

    August 19, 2019 at 8:57 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: After 2008 Nate Silver was the predictor of merit. He hasn’t done as well since. There seems to be much luck involved in correctly predicting elections

  75. 75.

    satby

    August 19, 2019 at 9:07 am

    @rikyrah: adorbs!

  76. 76.

    rikyrah

    August 19, 2019 at 9:08 am

    Never heard of this before… Did anyone else??

    https://twitter.com/RachelMcGonagi1/status/1163250755274301441

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    Kay

    August 19, 2019 at 9:12 am

    I was listening to two former Obama people on a podcast. They did issue polling for Democrats in Wisconsin. Issue polling is different than horserace polling. They chose Wisconsin to represent the general trends in WI, MI and PA because those states will be grouped- if WI moves R or D so do PA and MI.
    The single best anti-Trump message in WI is “he’s a fake populist who didn’t help anyone except rich people”
    So. Unless you can give me some states to replace those states that has to be part of Democratic campaigns. There has to be an appeal to economic populism. Which shouldn’t surprise anyone. It’s exactly what Obama ran on in these same states in 2012 against Mitt Romney.
    So, in my view, the Democratic nominee has to be strong on that. Not to carry “white working class” or to pander to them, but because in these states among ALL voters that attack works better than anything else, by 30 points. I think they all know it too. Even people we don’t think of as populists – Corey Booker- are sounding economic populist themes.

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    Immanentize

    August 19, 2019 at 9:16 am

    @Kay:
    Economic populism, yes. WWC men, no. That is why Warren does so we’ll and Ryan so poorly. She is talking about everyone. He is talking to his white uncle’s in Ohio.

  79. 79.

    Kay

    August 19, 2019 at 9:17 am

    And these states- MI< WI, and PA are different than some of the up and coming western states for Democrats because there aren't a lot of voters who haven't been approached or counted. There's less room for growth. So whatever we do there HAS to appeal to people who already vote. There's not enough "nonvoters" or "new voters" who are going to come out of the woodwork and be the margin. It's not like "wow- what could happen in Texas?" Or "what if we got ARIZONA?" They know what will happen in WI, MI and PA. They know who they have to reach.

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    Spanky

    August 19, 2019 at 9:18 am

    Not terribly off topic from the direction this thread has taken:

    The organization representing the nation’s most powerful chief executives is rewriting how it views the purpose of a corporation, updating its decades-old endorsement of the theory that shareholders’ interests should come above all else.

    The new statement, released Monday by the Business Roundtable, suggests balancing the needs of a company’s various constituencies and comes at a time of widening income inequality, rising expectations from the public for corporate behavior and proposals from Democratic lawmakers that aim to revamp or even restructure American capitalism.

    “Americans deserve an economy that allows each person to succeed through hard work and creativity and to lead a life of meaning and dignity,” reads the statement from the organization, which is chaired by JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon.

    The group says its members “share a fundamental commitment to all of our stakeholders,” and commit to doing well by their customers, employees, suppliers and local communities. “Each of our stakeholders is essential,” the group adds. “We commit to deliver value to all of them, for the future success of our companies, our communities and our country.”

    Doesn’t sound like the Jaimie Dimon I remember. Oh wait …

    It was not immediately clear which members of the Business Roundtable supported or opposed the change. And it remains to be seen how much the companies change their practices in light of the new commitments.

    Yeah, well methinks they hear the footsteps behind them, and those would be of a herd of Democratic candidates.

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    Kay

    August 19, 2019 at 9:21 am

    @Immanentize:

    I agree with the general premise but Tim Ryan just isn’t presidential material and never will be. He’s fine in Ohio- a lot of times he’s really useful for Democrats and is a good speaker among Ohio Democrats, but he wasn’t competitive against Warren because she’s better. It’s not the same league.

  82. 82.

    Kay

    August 19, 2019 at 9:25 am

    @Immanentize:

    To me it means trouble for Biden, because he specifically chose another direction over economic populism and the strength if his candidacy is he supposedly beats Trump in those states. Now maybe that isn’t the strength of his candidacy- maybe it’s AA support- but that isn’t what he sold. He sold “I can win WI, PA and MI”

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    Betty Cracker

    August 19, 2019 at 9:26 am

    @Kay: I heard that podcast too, and I suspect the same message would be effective everywhere. It’s true: Trump said during the campaign he would raise his own taxes and never cut Medicare. Instead, he cut rich people’s taxes and proposed massive cuts to Medicare. That’s hugely unpopular EVERYWHERE, and our eventual nominee should focus on it all the time. The corruption and self-dealing message flows from that too. He lied about draining the swamp.

  84. 84.

    Cacti

    August 19, 2019 at 9:30 am

    I don’t believe for a second that Trump will only get 40% of the vote. He’ll get the same 45-46% as before. Beating him depends on turning out the vote of people repulsed by him.

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    mrmoshpotato

    August 19, 2019 at 9:30 am

    @Baud:

    I’ve come to the conclusion that everything anyone ever says about the Clintons is wrong and will be for the rest of our lives.

    Only for the rest of our lives? You sure about that?

  86. 86.

    J R in WV

    August 19, 2019 at 9:34 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    Deeply underwater:

    Hispanics:
    Trump 28%

    There’s that crazifacation factor again!!!

  87. 87.

    PST

    August 19, 2019 at 9:35 am

    @TS (the original):

    After 2008 Nate Silver was the predictor of merit. He hasn’t done as well since. There seems to be much luck involved in correctly predicting elections

    I actually think Silver did a pretty good job. Someone who says that there is a 2/3 chance of A and a 1/3 chance of B isn’t really a failure is B happens. My memory of 2016 was that Silver was continually advising caution, especially when compared to some other poll aggregators. In particular, he warned constantly that there could be factors biasing the polls that would be systemic rather than independent across states. This was in response to those who admitted that polling has a margin of error, but that it was unlikely that all those margins of error would be wrong in the same direction. I was a constant reader in those closing days, and I definitely drew no comfort from Silver’s conclusions.

  88. 88.

    Spanky

    August 19, 2019 at 9:35 am

    Also too, our Stable Genius in Chief:

    President Trump confirmed Sunday that he has asked his administration to explore the possibility of buying Greenland, opining that “essentially, it’s a large real estate deal.”

    “A lot of things can be done,” Trump told reporters in Morristown, N.J., after wrapping up a 10-day vacation at his private golf club. He noted that owning Greenland “would be nice” for the United States from a strategic perspective, but he cautioned: “It’s not number one on the burner, I can tell you that.”

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    Baud

    August 19, 2019 at 9:36 am

    @mrmoshpotato:

    I plan to live forever.

  90. 90.

    Miss Bianca

    August 19, 2019 at 9:37 am

    @Mustang Bobby: Congratulations! And it will be so nice to have you hanging round here more again!

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    rikyrah

    August 19, 2019 at 9:37 am

    @Kay:

    To say the declaration was the reality and not the laws seems insane to me. They know these two things are inconsistent – “created equal”, “fugitive slave act” so they come down on the side of what the United States declared rather than the actual laws at the time?

    Other groups give lip service and platitudes to the belief in the American ethos.

    WE, as a community, have had to dig deep and find the reasons to believe in this country…and, we did.

    While others mouth platitudes about what this country is about, WE have felt it in our bones.

    AND, by our existence and persistence, we have pushed this country to go beyond platitudes, and live up to its ideals. I have always believed that this is the reason for the contempt towards our community. We force you to go beyond platitudes, which are easy, and push the hard work of actuality.

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    Miss Bianca

    August 19, 2019 at 9:40 am

    @NotMax: From SCA to rockets? My mind, it doth reel.

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    Gin & Tonic

    August 19, 2019 at 9:42 am

    @Miss Bianca: SCA?

  94. 94.

    Gin & Tonic

    August 19, 2019 at 9:44 am

    @Spanky: NY Daily News headline yesterday (or Saturday, not sure) showing that recycled wit is never as good as the original: “Fjord to Trump: Drop Dead.”

  95. 95.

    Kay

    August 19, 2019 at 9:45 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    I just cannot tell you how much Obama 2012 relied on economic populism. It was all they ran on in Ohio. It was really granular too. There is a low cost department store that specializes in locating in down at the heels midwestern towns. All those empty storefronts, you know what I mean. They hit Mitt Romney on THOSE stores, because Bain had done some gross robber baron deal where they sucked all the value out of them. One discount clothing chain, but one that happens to be in a lot of Ohio towns.
    So they don’t have to reinvent the wheel for Trump in these states (and others, as you mention). They know how to do this.

  96. 96.

    rikyrah

    August 19, 2019 at 9:46 am

    @Kay:

    It’s actually really consistent with how they treat Trump. He “doesn’t have a racist bone in his body” Did he or did he NOT say that? Well, then why are you calling him a racist? He declared differently!

    They always try and bring up ‘what’s in his heart’. Muthaphucka, I don’t give two shyts what’s in his heart. I know what he’s said, and more importantly the RACISM IN THE POLICIES ENACTED.

  97. 97.

    Immanentize

    August 19, 2019 at 9:46 am

    @Gin & Tonic:
    Society of Creative Anachronisms. Think Shakespeare Faires and jousting with mead and wenches.

  98. 98.

    Uncle Cosmo

    August 19, 2019 at 9:48 am

    @satby: Sounds like academic politics, wherein the magnitude of the hassle is inversely proportional to the magnitude of the issue(s) at stake. Lotsa luck.

  99. 99.

    Immanentize

    August 19, 2019 at 9:49 am

    @rikyrah:
    As J Smooth says, “When a guy steals my wallet, I don’t run him down to see if in his heart he is a thief; I do it to get my wallet back.”

  100. 100.

    Gin & Tonic

    August 19, 2019 at 9:50 am

    @Immanentize:

    jousting with mead and wenches

    Doesn’t that tend to spill the mead?

  101. 101.

    rikyrah

    August 19, 2019 at 9:51 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    Among African-Americans:
    Trump 7%
    Dem 91%

    I’m so proud of us :)

  102. 102.

    J R in WV

    August 19, 2019 at 9:52 am

    @rikyrah:

    I have a bunch of back to the land hippy friends, and many of them worked various farm labor jobs, the ones that come to mind are planting trees on clear cut hillsides, picking apples up in New England, and detasseling corn for seed crops to hybridize. I’m sure there were many others. They liked it because they got paid by the piece work rather than by the hour, if they busted ass, they made a whole bunch of money and could return to their own little farms for the rest of the year.

    Many of then are now RNs working in hospitals, OR nurses, Trauma nurses in the ER, etc. Some of that work is pretty exciting at times, or just exacting in the operating rooms. Pays well, tho.

  103. 103.

    Miss Bianca

    August 19, 2019 at 9:53 am

    @Immanentize: Yeah. But no peasants. Or lepers. I was once asked if I wanted to join SCA, and to fuck with them I asked if my character could come as a leper. You know, hoods, bells…strangely, I was never asked again.

  104. 104.

    Spanky

    August 19, 2019 at 9:54 am

    @Gin & Tonic: Rather rough on the wenches, too.

  105. 105.

    Uncle Cosmo

    August 19, 2019 at 9:57 am

    @rikyrah: One of the fundamental tenets I live by is

    No one can ever judge other people for what’s in their heart or mind; that is fundamentally unknowable, even to themselves. All anyone can know is how another person’s acts (or failures to act) affect the observable world – and judgment can be based on that.

    YMMV.

  106. 106.

    Uncle Cosmo

    August 19, 2019 at 10:00 am

    @Gin & Tonic: Disagree completely – IMHO it gains depth & force via the allusion & is therefore better than the original.

  107. 107.

    Immanentize

    August 19, 2019 at 10:00 am

    @Miss Bianca:
    I really do like your way of thinking.

  108. 108.

    Immanentize

    August 19, 2019 at 10:02 am

    @Spanky:

    Rather rough on the wenches, too.

    But so much was in days of yore.

  109. 109.

    Heidi Mom

    August 19, 2019 at 10:05 am

    @Patricia Kayden: I’m another! Of course, when I see a black kitty and an orange kitty, my first thought is that I could name them Jon and Tormund, so it follows that I loved the ending.

  110. 110.

    Gin & Tonic

    August 19, 2019 at 10:10 am

    @Uncle Cosmo: Some headlines are just sui generis.

  111. 111.

    bemused

    August 19, 2019 at 10:18 am

    @Kay:

    “Me, me, me” conservatives. You called it, Kay. I remember coming to that conclusion in the ’80’s.

  112. 112.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 19, 2019 at 10:42 am

    @Baud: Well played.

  113. 113.

    lurker dean

    August 19, 2019 at 11:01 am

    cute kitties! satby does such a great job with fostering and caring for dogs and cats.

    annoyed that i bought a NYT yesterday for the 1619 project but it wasn’t in the national edition?

    anyway, good idea from twitter – if you know any kids leaving for college soon, suggest they fill out applications for absentee ballots. from what i remember, republican states are making it difficult for out-of-state college kids to vote, so absentee may be the way to go.

    Same goes for everyone headed away for college or grad school, from anywhere to anywhere. If you want to vote in your hometown, take care of that absentee ballot application now. https://t.co/uCz5VohNcH is the best resource I'm aware of for all states: https://t.co/LjSzUnbANz— Adam Bonin (@adambonin) August 19, 2019

  114. 114.

    zhena gogolia

    August 19, 2019 at 11:11 am

    Ooh, that tuxedo kitty is cuteness!!!!!

  115. 115.

    zhena gogolia

    August 19, 2019 at 11:12 am

    @lurker dean:

    The 1619 Project was the magazine — it should have been in the edition. I got it in CT.

  116. 116.

    lurker dean

    August 19, 2019 at 12:12 pm

    @zhena gogolia: i looked through all the copies and didn’t see it :( i’m not that far in philly so i was sure we’d get it, must have been a snafu in the place i looked. i’m glad it’s online at least. a lot of “we’re not racist” conservatives are really showing their asses on twitter about it.

  117. 117.

    NY Robbin

    August 19, 2019 at 12:57 pm

    @Spanky:

    Is the last sentence “Don’t hurt us.” ?

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