Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

No offense, but this thread hasn’t been about you for quite a while.

Take hopelessness and turn it into resilience.

This country desperately needs a functioning Fourth Estate.

The US Supreme Court is on the ballot in november.

Bark louder, little dog.

The real work of an opposition party is to hold the people in power accountable.

This must be what justice looks like, not vengeful, just peaceful exuberance.

with the Kraken taking a plea, the Cheese stands alone.

Nothing says ‘pro-life’ like letting children go hungry.

The choice is between normal and crazy.

“Until such time as the world ends, we will act as though it intends to spin on.”

Every day Vance writes another chapter in the book called “Worst VP Pick Ever”.

Anyone who bans teaching American history has no right to shape America’s future.

Imperialist aggressors must be defeated, or the whole world loses.

Never entrust democracy to any process that requires Republicans to act in good faith.

Every one of the “Roberts Six” lied to get on the court.

There are some who say that there are too many strawmen arguments on this blog.

T R E 4 5 O N

A norm that restrains only one side really isn’t a norm – it’s a trap.

When someone says they “love freedom”, rest assured they don’t mean yours.

That’s my take and I am available for criticism at this time.

No one could have predicted…

A thin legal pretext to veneer over their personal religious and political desires.

Republicans can’t even be trusted with their own money.

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Open Thread: “Does Joe Biden Want to Be Doing This?”

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You think anyone other than Joe Biden has the power to stop him, right now? Eugene Robinson, at the Washington Post “It’s still Biden’s race to lose”:

The big news in the Democratic presidential race is that not much has changed since Joe Biden jumped in…

For me, the striking thing is how little the race changed over the summer. Since late May, Biden’s support has never gone below 26 percent — his nadir after getting sliced and diced by Harris in the first debate — and no other candidate has climbed as high as 19 percent.

Polls in the key early primary and caucus states tell the same story. The RealClearPolitics average shows Biden with a solid lead in Iowa, a slim lead in New Hampshire, and huge leads in both Nevada and South Carolina. If those numbers hold and he wins all four of those states, it’s pretty much game over…

At 76, Biden has to show that he’s still sharp and vigorous enough to vanquish Trump and then serve four years in the most demanding job in the world. In the first debate, he seemed old, tired, at times befuddled. Since then, in my view, he has been much better, though questions remain.

If Democrats choose Biden, they will have a nominee who can get carried away while telling stories, who can mix up names and dates, who can be a font of malapropisms. His top-tier rivals speak in crisper, more well-formed sentences; heck, Buttigieg speaks in whole polished paragraphs. But as voters decide who’s best to beat Trump and repair the damage he’s done to the nation, I believe they want more than eloquence. I think they’re looking for “electability,” whatever that means; they’re looking for a fighter who won’t back down; and they’re looking for leadership…

… The most glowing line on Biden’s political CV is the eight years he spent as Obama’s vice president… And the image of the Obama presidency is being transformed with every second that El Caudillo del Mar-a-Lago remains in office. The Obama presidency can now be seen as an oasis of blessed calm between two Category 5 political tempests. Obama came in after the disastrous presidency of George W. Bush and before the catastrophic presidency* that we are now enjoying. The further we get from it, the better this image of the Obama years is going to look, and all the better for Joe Biden as it does.

For all the racetrack touts and analytics, Biden has one very strong political advantage going for him. People just want things to get back to normal again. They want a president who isn’t manifestly unqualified and clearly half-mad. They want their Twitter accounts to go back to featuring dogs and cute pictures of the grandkids. They want a Congress that can work smoothly enough so that they can go back to ignoring it again. In fact, they’d like a government that can work smoothly enough so that they can go back to ignoring it again. I am not one of these people and, very likely, you’re not, either. But there are a helluva lot of them out there, and I suspect Joe Biden appeals to them more than any of his rivals do. He is a president you can forget about, at least for a moment.


But whatever you think of the NYTimes‘ Mark ‘This Town’ Leibovich, he’s got a predator’s eye for a candidate’s weaknesses…

“How badly do you want to be president?” Joseph R. Biden Jr. was asked after a recent speech in Prole, Iowa. The answer to such an inquiry would appear self-evident in the case of Mr. Biden, who began his running-for-president routine more than three decades ago; in other words, very badly, one would assume.

But the question, posed by a reporter, seemed to come at Mr. Biden as a bit of a curveball — a variant of the “Why do you want to be president?” riddle that CBS’s Roger Mudd famously stumped Ted Kennedy with 40 years ago. The former vice president paused.

“I think it’s really, really, really important that Donald Trump not be re-elected,” Mr. Biden said, more of a rationale than answer. He then launched into a classic Biden roller derby of verbiage in which he listed all the reasons he found Mr. Trump so distasteful. He landed on a question to himself.

“Could I die happily not having heard ‘Hail to the Chief’ play for me?” the Democratic front-runner asked. “Yeah, I could,” he said. “That’s not why I’m running.”

So why is he running? And is the singular nature of the opponent all it will take to convince voters that Joe Biden really wants to be doing this right now — at this vicious moment in our politics and at this stage of his life?

Remarkably, after all this time, Mr. Biden stumbles to come up with a clear answer…

Asked another way: Would he be doing this if a more conventional Republican (a Mitt Romney or Jeb Bush) were in the White House?

“Um, I’m not sure, to be quite honest with you,” Mr. Biden said. “I hadn’t planned on running again.”…

In a tour of about a dozen of these campaign events across the early-voting states during the second half of August, Mr. Biden’s audiences were moderately enthusiastic, always polite and certainly appreciative of his visits. Given their revulsion for the incumbent, many attendees expressed gratitude that Mr. Biden was running for president. But they struggled to identify why he was running, or what the former vice president represented beyond a known and decent entity who was not Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders.

“If I were in his shoes, I don’t know if I felt I had a whole lot more to achieve in life,” Ryan Comstock, of Urbandale, said of Mr. Biden’s motivation after a campaign event. Mr. Comstock, who voted for Mr. Trump in 2016, said he would likely participate in the Democratic caucuses next year. On Mr. Biden, he added, “part of me wants to think that he cares that much about America.”

On the stump, Mr. Biden says he is running to achieve three main things, none of them distinguishable from what he might have said when he ran in 1988 and 2008: 1) to lead the “battle for the soul of America,” 2) to restore the middle class and 3) to unite the country. He also says that he was inspired to run for president in 2017 after seeing how Mr. Trump responded to violent clashes involving white nationalists in Charlottesville, Va….

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  2. 2.

    JPL

    @rikyrah: Good That’s better than my OT
    For some reason CBS thought it a good idea for Norah O’Donnell to hang out of a plane to discuss the destruction of Abaco and Grand Bahamas. It would have been news if she blew away, I guess.

  3. 3.

    trollhattan

    @JPL:
    The couple brief clips I’ve seen left the impression the place has practically been scraped bare. Shocking.

  4. 4.

    dmsilev

    @rikyrah: Add it to the list.

    Googling around, I found this summary:

    In all so far, 12 GOP House members and four senators are forgoing reelection next year without declaring their candidacy for a higher office, while just two Democrats in the House and one in the Senate are retiring outright. More than two dozen Republicans retired ahead of the 2018 midterms, foreshadowing the blue wave that swept in a Democratic majority.

    which doesn’t include your news, so add another one to the GOP total.

  7. 7.

    JPL

    @trollhattan: Both Abaco and Grand Bahamas are devastated. CNN showed the remains of the airport in Freeport. I just thought it a silly stunt to have your anchor on a wing surveying the damage. The plane had windows.
    Trump’s stump today was bad enough.
    btw, thanks for the earworm. I loved Isaac Hayes and he earned a well deserved Oscar

  8. 8.

    JPL

    @Baud: He’s not my first pick, but I’d be fine with him at the top of the ticket. The news media has decided to give him, but what about the emails treatment. That concerns me for the future of our democracy.

  10. 10.

    Patricia Kayden

    I wish Senators Warren and Harris were doing better. I’d love to see either of them in the White House. Biden, not so much although I’ll vote for him against Trump with gusto.

  13. 13.

    Baud

    @Patricia Kayden:

    I wish we had a five way contest instead of a three way.

    I think Warren has run the best campaign, but it concerns me that she hasn’t locked up the progressive base.

    We’re in the post Labor Day period where things get real. Hopefully we’ll see some movement soon.

  15. 15.

    Immanentize

    Biden’s support has never gone below 26 percent

    The critical flip side us that it has never gone above 35% since the contest began in earnest. That is a shitty number for a standard bearer.

  17. 17.

    jeffreyw

    I will be happy as a clam with Biden leading the ticket. What are the downsides? Harris and Warren are still senators, and maybe with a VP nod to Beto we could swing Texas.

  18. 18.

    TenguPhule

    Puerto Rico was among the hardest hit of all US states and territories as it will see more than $400 million in funding for planned military construction projects diverted to the wall under the Pentagon’s plan.

    Trump just keeps stomping on Puerto Rico.

  19. 19.

    Immanentize

    @Major Major Major Major:
    Who the hell is John Kass at the Chicago Tribune?

    He regularly covers political topics for the newspaper, the editorial policy of which declares it to be conservative.[

    Ahhhh, so he is cutting Warren in favor of Sanders because she is more of a threat.

  20. 20.

    Immanentize

    @Baud:

    We’re in the post Labor Day period where things get real.

    True, but wasn’t Labor Day just Monday? I mean, what post Labor Day information even exists?

    Your panic pants are showing.

  23. 23.

    sukabi

    Biden’s going through the motions (barely) more than likely just to appease the monied class and beltway pundidiotry that wants him in the race.

  25. 25.

    Geoduck

    @jeffreyw: Downsides? Biden wouldn’t make a very good president. I mean, if it’s him or the Tangerine Shiatgibbon, of course I’m going to vote for him but.. sigh. He’s too old, and he evidently thinks he can just toddle over to the Capitol and make a deal with his good buddy Moscow Mitch.

  30. 30.

    dmsilev

    @Major Major Major Major: As soon as I heard that that column was written by John Kass I knew it wasn’t worth reading. I got the Trib for years when I lived in Chicago and he was persistently, consistently, awful.

  35. 35.

    Timurid

    Sanders in the top 3 terrifies me, especially because Biden is in there with him. If Biden collapses or quits, Sanders has a real shot at winning. Because a big bloc of Biden’s ‘moderate’ fans are going to ignore Warren, even though she’s to the right of Sanders. What they really want is an old, white man, and they’re not going to be too picky about how they get one.

  38. 38.

    NotMax

    Biden (D-MasterCard)? Dems really, really need to heed the insistently clanging wake-up call as to the ramifications of supporting a vainglorious dimbulb.

  42. 42.

    Kay

    Iowa Sen. Joni Ernst said at a recent town hall meeting in Emmet County that politicians should “sit down behind closed doors” as a way to avoid public scrutiny when discussing was to fix Social Security policy.
    A video clip of Ernst this past Saturday at a school in Estherville shows the Republican senator responding to a question from the audience.

    Here come the cuts to pay for that obscene tax giveaway!

    What goddamned nerve. They blew a trillion dollar hole in the budget and now they want to cut programs to fill it.

    Forget it, Joni. Find some other money to steal. Scram.

  45. 45.

    Mary G

    I know a lot of people have complained when I’ve posted Biden gaffes before, feeling it only helps the Republicans, so feel free to skip this comment, flame me, or pie me, but to me he is almost Trumpian with this “details don’t matter” shit he is spouting.

    For example:

    "Immediately, that moment it started, I came out against the war at that moment," Biden told NPR about the Iraq war.But in multiple public remarks made after the invasion began in 2003, Biden openly supported the effort. https://t.co/1d1F5obOle— NPR Politics (@nprpolitics) September 3, 2019

    Daniel Larison has a column full of quotes that dispel this illusion:

    Months after the invasion began in 2003, Biden removed any doubt about his support for the effort, telling CNN: “I, for one, thought we should have gone in Iraq.”

    At a hearing that July, he once more proclaimed his support, saying “I voted to go into Iraq, and I’d vote to do it again.”

    And in a speech later than month, Biden acknowledged what “we have always known” about the war in Iraq, namely that troops “would have to stay there in large numbers for a long period of time.”

    “Contrary to what some in my party might think, Iraq was a problem that had to be dealt with sooner rather than later,” he said. “So I commend the president. He was right to enforce the solemn commitments made by Saddam. If they were not enforced, what good would they be?”

    Larison says what I feel:

    Biden’s vote for the Iraq war is a liability today, and it is appropriate that the politicians that voted to authorize that disastrous war are still criticized for their support. There has been virtually no accountability in all the time since the invasion, and the war’s original supporters would prefer it if we just forgot about the role they played. It is important that we don’t forget what they did, and when one of them tries to reinvent himself as an opponent of the war when he was nothing of the sort he needs to pay a political price for that attempt at deception.

    You know the Republicans are going to be all over this if he’s the nominee, because IOIYAR.

    I admit I am prejudiced because I want a woman nominee so badly, and not for Veep. Warren and Harris are tied for No. 1 in my heart, but if Amy K. could gain some traction because so many Dems are risk-adverse, I’d be happy with her.

    And the usual disclaimer applies, except that I am unable to crawl, so I’d scootch on my butt over broken glass to elect the Democrat. A painful prospect.

    In happier news:

    Conservative operative Jacob Wohl is wanted on a felony arrest warrant in California, a development that could hamper his spree of bizarre, blundering political schemes.

    Wohl and former business partner Matthew Johnson were both charged with the unlawful sale of securities in a Riverside Superior Court criminal complaint filed on Aug. 19.

  46. 46.

    Kay

    Ernst, who in the past has said she has at least considered privatizing Social Security as a possible option for reform, said at the Saturday town hall, “A lot of changes need to be made in this system going forward.”
    “I think it’s smart that we do that now, rather than wait until the very last minute when we have folks that are actually in jeopardy.”

    Joni wants to skim some of the Social Security money and send it to Wall Street. She’s unhappy that her donors aren’t getting their cut.

    They never learn. Every time they run up the credit card they look for retirement savings to bail them out. Every decade, like clockwork. They cannot stand that regular people have some small measure of security. They MUST skim and gamble. That money sitting there unspent keeps them up at night.

  48. 48.

    Jay

    @rp:

    Biden’s been making mistakes about names, times, places, positions and when “called on it”, is just “walking on”.

    It seems to be working so far as none of his gaffes have stuck.

    In theory, the POTUS gets these things called briefings where the details and options are laid out in an easly digested multipage brief, that way POTUS doesn’t need to be an expert on much.

    These days however, you have interns drawing bubble tracks on poster board to validate the Insane Clown POSus’s ego, so, who cares that Biden was for the Iraq War then being against the Iraq War from day one but still for the Iraq War right up until the Surge.

    97% of US Politicians, even our own Blogfather held that position , ( except for the middle part) and only became anti-Iraq War once the Surge failed irratriveably.

    In a time of real “Fake News” and twisted perceptions, there are other things happening.

    For example, the FBI in the Southern US has lately swallowed hook line and sinker and hyped a two year old easily disproven hoaxes, because of course,…….

    DHS was fooled by a right-wing hoax about antifa planning a civil war 2 years ago. And oh look — the exact groups being targeted by the FBI have also been targeted recently by a right-wing disinformation campaign.Crazy how that works.https://t.co/BXRyLyJqGB— Caroline Orr (@RVAwonk) September 4, 2019

  49. 49.

    JCJ

    @rikyrah: Well, it is extremely unlikely that this is a potential pick up. I live in the district and it is full of hateful white people. He has been the perfect representative for them.

  50. 50.

    But her emails!!!

    @Major Major Major Major:
    Sanders dropping out would be more likely to make the Warren’s numbers competitive with Bidens than vice versa. Polling suggests that Warren is the second Choice four many Sanders supporters, so if he drops out and endorses Warren we’re talking pretty close to doubling her numbers. On the flip side, many Warren supporters have Harris as their number 2, so Warren dropping out would probably boost Bernie a bit, but Harris would get the bigger bounce so what we would probably end up with is Biden out in front with Sanders and Harris lagging 10 points behind instead of Warren and Sanders.

  51. 51.

    PsiFighter37

    A personal announcement for long-time readers…my wife and I welcomed our little baby girl into the world on Labor Day. She’s still at the hospital in the NICU, but she’s doing great and should (fingers crossed) be coming home tomorrow to join us. Absolutely thrilled, and people are not kidding when they say it changes your life.

  52. 52.

    Immanentize

    @JCJ: Yes, true, but now significant monies must be spent to hold that seat regardless of R lean. Monies that will not be spent elsewhere. Win!!

  57. 57.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Immanentize: Kass was a long time political reporter who desperately wanted to be an old muckraker with a battered fedora out of The Front Page. In reality, he’s a typical (angry, racist, homophobic, gun-humping) white guy out of the Chicago Bungalow Belt, hopefully less typical now than thirty years ago– my cousins are very different from their parents, most of them. A guy like my parents’ old neighbor, who told me in 1992 that he was a lifelong Democrat (Roosevelt, Kennedy, Daley), and by god he was voting for Pat Buchanan! The Tribune bigwigs communed with the ghost of Col McCormick to give him Royko’s old space when MR died (by then an increasingly unpleasant shadow of his former self), as I recall he tried to pass himself off as Royko-esque, a humorous old school city columnist, but he could never hide the lunk-headed rage. Within IIRC a couple of years they cut him back to every other day, rotating with much more liberal columnists. My father, who rarely swore, called Kass an arsehole. My non-political mother thinks he’s a jerk, about as strong as her language gets, but she does like his annual Easter columns about the lamb his Greek mother used to make.

  65. 65.

    Brachiator

    But as voters decide who’s best to beat Trump and repair the damage he’s done to the nation, I believe they want more than eloquence. I think they’re looking for “electability,” whatever that means

    I hate when reporters do this. They think that they can concoct a “narrative,” and then filter everything through that perspective. In this case it’s “electability,” which doesn’t mean jack shit and is an insult to the other candidates. “Listen, honey, you are really articulate and bright and clean, but you just aren’t electable.”

    Also, I’m not sure what great leadership skills Biden has. But apart from that, Biden’s poll numbers are real; however I have not seen much in the way of interviews with Democratic voters, to get a sense of their feelings and desires, certainly nothing on the same scale as the endless journalistic rectal exams given to rural white Trump supporters.

    Also, I have to say that Biden’s gaffes are irksome. I don’t mind an occasional blunder. No one is perfect. But I prefer presidents who are not mentally confused.

  68. 68.

    Another Scott

    My political prognostications are about 0% accurate (I thought Hillary was more likely to win in a blowout than to just squeak by) – you’ve been warned – but:

    1) Wilmer isn’t going to be the nominee.

    2) I think Biden has a glass jaw. I don’t know what if anything will bring him down before March 1, but something very well might. I don’t think that some general “desire to return to normality” is enough to make him a compelling candidate. He seems to think that SC will save him and thus give him the nomination. I don’t think that will be enough.

    3) Whoever is leading by April 1 will have some sort of serious overblown “crisis” that they will have to address – their ‘Jeremiah Wright controversy’. If they handle it well, it will help them immensely.

    4) We have to be prepared for attempts to throw rocks in the gears of our election machinery in November 2020. There are just too many ways that the people’s will can be thwarted yet again. We have to run up the score so that trolls on FB and T and all the rest don’t win close races. We have to pull together to save the country (and the planet).

    With all that said, who do I like? I still like Warren, Harris, and Castro. Who do I think will win the nomination? I think California being early is going to help Harris a great deal, but I don’t know if it’s enough. Warren apparently knows how to play the game to get other candidates to help her as they drop out. She’s smart and knows the way to get things done. If Warren can get more AA women to come out for her before SC, I think she may be the one to beat.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  75. 75.

    Brachiator

    @germy:

    An essay by the lady in the “She Shed” commercial. How it’s changed her life (she’s been acting for 22 years)

    I had never seen this before now. But glad to know that it helped the lady appearing in it.

  76. 76.

    TS (the original)

    @Geoduck:

    he evidently thinks he can just toddle over to the Capitol and make a deal with his good buddy Moscow Mitch

    Like he did as VP – I assume candidate Obama picked him because of his association with the Senate – worked really well when Merrick Garland was nominated for SCOTUS . I didn’t see Biden having any impact on anything when VP – maybe I missed it?

  77. 77.

    germy

    @Brachiator: It’s a funny commercial. The husband is so sad. He has a garden hose in his hand with water trickling out, but makes no effort to fight the fire. He seems profoundly disappointed that the insurance company will replace the shed.

  78. 78.

    david

    Fuck Biden. If he’s the nominee, he’s got my vote. But not until November ’20 when he’s the only viable choice left.
    He’s nothing but a sundowning Boomer, and we already have one of those in the WH. No need for 4 more years of that.

  79. 79.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @TS (the original): Mike Grunwald, who wrote a book on the stimulus, says that one of the reasons the ARRA was a success was that Biden was in charge, and he said the glitches in the Obamacare dot gov launch wouldn’t have happened in Biden had been in charge.

    By “Biden”, he meant “Biden’s team”, and according to what I’ve read since, “Biden’s team” means Ron Klain, who is apparently a bureaucrat extraordinaire

  84. 84.

    TS (the original)

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I haven’t read the book. Guess any President is as good as his (hopeful to add her) advisors and this surely defines the trump failure. I remember Biden’s efforts on gun control after Sandy Hook.

  85. 85.

    JPL

    @PsiFighter37: It won’t be long before you know who Casper Baby Pants is. Imagine your embarrassment at actually having to say Run Baby Run by Casper Baby Pants Alexa or google or Siri.. It all works.

  90. 90.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Patrick Linnen: I don’t think Biden’s support comes from the NYT, or largely from NYT readers, who I’m guessing, purely guessing, are mostly for Warren or Buttigieg

  91. 91.

    germy

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    Don’t ya know, ANYBODY that’s older than 50 is a a BOOMER.

    This world will be a better place when they all die out! Then we’ll be left with the proud boys and the alt right 4 channers and college republicans and Stephen Miller (age 34).

  92. 92.

    Ruckus

    @dmsilev:
    Iowa has 6 electoral votes, IL has 20, CA has 55, NY 29, NH 4……
    Why is Iowa and NH so important? Just because it’s first? All primaries should be on the same day. It’s bullshit that one state always gets to go first and that each citizen in the later states gets bupkis with their vote. My vote, or anyone’s vote should not be less effective by the fucking system.
    No caucuses, only actual voting by ballot.
    All primaries on the same day.
    All states should have vote by mail so that working people can vote easier.
    All states should have early voting so that working people can vote easier.
    Districts should not be set by local politicians, the criteria should be open and done by both houses of congress in some kinds of blocks, like squares on a map.
    Oh, and get rid of the electoral college. It isn’t all that smart.

  94. 94.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @germy: a horrifying NY mag story the other day– that I didn’t read because of the pay wall– pointed out that the most influential millennial right now look like: Stephen Miller (edited, forgot him) Zuckerberg, MBS, Kim Jong Un, and… Jared.

    If you’ve been following the Dan Crenshaw thing on twitter*, I think he’s the one who could be the next trump. Tom Cotton doesn’t scare me cause he’s creepy. I haven’t paid much attention to Josh Hawley, but in terms of cynicism, ambition, bio and media manipulation, Crenshaw could go places. I don’t mean that in a good way, for us.

    * short version, if liberal take all our guns, I can’t lend them to my friends so that they can defend themselves, you know, all those Texans who think they need to carry a piece when they run out for milk and a loaf of bread, but don’t own one, so they swing by Dan’s on their way to the Piggly Wiggly.

  95. 95.

    Chyron HR

    @david:

    It’s a primary. If you don’t want one of the candidates to win the nomination, stop whining and do something about it.

  96. 96.

    PsiFighter37

    @Gin & Tonic: Way less. Going to be enforcing a pretty strict imbibing policy on myself, as well as having little/no beer on hand. Some things are worth cutting back on.

  97. 97.

    Another Scott

    @Ruckus: Nope. :-)

    Having a drawn-out nomination process is a good thing (people need to be examined for a long time before being given the big chair). Having small states first is a good thing (we don’t want just bazillionaires to be able to run). I like Marcopolo‘s idea of having ~ 5-10 primary dates, with the groupings determined by state population (smaller states first).

    Now Iowa and New Hampshire having outsized influence is probably a bad thing, but if not them, then who? Who goes first? Rotating it among states/regions (as some propose for regional primaries) would never work because nobody would agree on who should go first at the start of the new process. It was good that Obama did so well in Iowa in 2008 – if there were a single national primary he probably would not have won.

    My $0.02.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  104. 104.

    frosty

    @PsiFighter37: Belated congratulations and here’s my advice from a parent of two 20-somethings: Pay attention to every day. Find something to do with them (it was Cub Scouts for me). The next twenty years will go by in a blur.

    Oh, and when they get to middle school, +3 every night helps!

    ETA for parent, not child, duh.

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