Vice President Pence at dinner in London earlier: "Before President Trump and Prime Minister Johnson, there were Reagan and Thatcher, Kennedy and MacMillan, and, of course, Roosevelt and Churchill…"
— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) September 5, 2019
"When the results came back, Pence’s favorability was higher than Trump’s — something Parscale and the campaign’s pollsters withheld from Trump and Pence. But Obst, Pence’s chief political aide…used a mole inside the president’s campaign to get a copy"https://t.co/dytRqY1oki
— Jonathan Martin (@jmartNYT) September 5, 2019
Tom LoBianco has a book to sell, but it’s nice to contemplate the rats infighting on the Titanic. Yahoo News:
… On the surface, Trump and Pence insist they have a great relationship and are working closer than ever to win reelection in 2020. (They’ve consistently beaten back rumors that former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley is in the running to replace Pence on the 2020 ticket.)
But behind the scenes, tensions have been mounting among Trump, Pence and their top advisers ever since the GOP’s resounding losses in the 2018 midterms. In the weeks afterward, Trump asked aides about replacing Pence on the ticket, and he asked again for their thoughts on Pence during his August vacation at his golf course in Bedminster, N.J., according to Trump advisers who spoke on condition of anonymity to talk about private discussions with the president.
Current and former Trump and Pence advisers interviewed for this story, as well as my forthcoming biography of Pence, “Piety & Power: Mike Pence and the Taking of the White House,” consistently described a personal relationship between Trump and Pence that is warm but somewhat aloof. Pence has a lane that he sticks to in the White House — conservative social policy — but he is not considered to be as influential as people like Jared Kushner or Stephen Miller.
But the relationship between their political teams has soured greatly in the past year, according to a dozen Trump and Pence aides and Republican advisers familiar with the dynamic. In particular, rumors that Kushner and Ivanka Trump wanted to consider replacements for Pence — specifically trying to find a woman running mate to help win back the suburbs in 2020 — have worried the vice president’s camp, according to Trump and Pence campaign advisers who spoke on background for this story…
Regardless of the rumor mill, there do appear to be tensions between the Trump and Pence camps.“The perception is that Pence’s team is difficult to work with,” one Trump adviser said.
The adviser noted that, in his talks with Trump, the president has occasionally asked what the adviser thinks of Pence and his aides. “That just doesn’t come up organically. Somebody is saying that to the president,” the adviser said.
“There are certain pockets out there that want to solve their problems by replacing the running mate,” said the Pence adviser. “But we’re on the team. We might be JV, but we’re helping reelect him.”…
Kushner and Ivanka Trump, who have formed the political core of Trump’s reelection effort with campaign manager Brad Parscale, have sidelined Pence’s top political aides on the reelection — longtime fundraiser Marty Obst and former spokesman Marc Lotter — according to Trump campaign advisers. A Pence adviser noted that they have had some trouble working with Trump’s campaign during the past year.
In the spring, Pence’s aides went to Parscale to ask if he could include a question testing Pence’s favorability on a poll he was doing of battleground states, according to Trump campaign advisers familiar with the request. Parscale said it was too late to add the question to the poll — but what he didn’t tell Pence’s aides is that the question was already on the poll, done in 14 states. When the results came back, Pence’s favorability was higher than Trump’s — something Parscale and the campaign’s pollsters withheld from Trump and Pence. But Obst, Pence’s chief political aide who also works as a senior adviser on the Trump campaign, used a mole inside the president’s campaign to get a copy of one of the polls….
One former adviser to Trump and Pence noted that Trump would more warmly embrace the vice president in public if Pence simply announced that he wasn’t planning a run for president. Trump, the former adviser noted, hates aides who display more ambition than him.
“All of this would go away if he announced he wasn’t running for president in 2024,” the former adviser said.
Presumably, Tang the Conqueror still thinks of 2024 as Ivanka’s turn. And IMO Brad Parscale, would-be Big Swinging Dick, is all too happy to get his sweaty fingerprints all over the ‘rift’ between Jarvanka and Mike Dense…
Having to chose between Pence and Trump is like chosing between plague and cholera.
— Minimuh (@Minimuh2017) September 5, 2019
Baud
I’ll admit, I have difficulty caring about their drama, other than hoping it redounds to our benefit.
debbie
Good. Let them rip each others’ throats out.
Mary G
These people are so petty.
brettvk
Injuries, injuries! Rah, rah, rah!
laura
The intertubes are claiming 2024 is Don Jr’s year. As if. No word on Eric’s presidential ambitions…
Mike in NC
I’ve heard that Hitler and Stalin had a pretty cordial relationship.
Baud
@laura:
Maybe they’ll divide up the country and each will rule half of it.
Brachiator
Hints of unexpected irony, since Churchill’s grandson Nicholas Soams has been thrown out of the Conservative Party by Boris Johnson.
I am a bit surprised that Pence is more popular than Trump with some Republicans. But I would not be surprised if a deeply deluded Trump believed that his beloved Ivanka might be presidential material. God help us all.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
Bring back Sarah Palin! She’s tanned, she’s rested, she’s ready! [*]
[*] that was a joke T-shirt about Nixon back in the day.
MattF
A con artist cultivates the ability to sense and exploit suckers– and I imagine that’s what Trump senses when he looks at Pence. Pence, I think, is just oblivious. It’s not a ‘mutual respect’ relationship, but they’re stuck with each other.
Jay
And the President of Iceland is too busy washing her hair to meet with Dense.
TenguPhule
@debbie:
Literally, not figuratively.
TenguPhule
@MattF:
Those black dead eyes. Like fish eyes. Just staring at you in the water.
Gin & Tonic
@laura: I recently saw an “IVANKA 2024” bumper sticker. No lie.
MomSense
These fucking people. They were all supposed to be in jail by now. Fuck Mueller and fuck fucking Bill Barr.
I hate the trumps and the pences and all the remora around them and I cannot believe we have to think about these dumbass, cruel motherfuckers for even a minute. They have no business being anywhere near a modern democracy. They’re so fucking dumb they don’t even realize how incompetent and ridiculous they are.
The other day I saw a clip of pence being asked a simple question about staying at the trump property in Ireland and you could see his inferior brain struggle to figure out what to see. He didn’t even have one of his stupid canned answers lined up. Dude is seriously low IQ.
Steve in the ATL
@Baud:
Whatever happened to Dennis Rodman?
TenguPhule
Twitter is garbage.
Jay
TenguPhule
@Steve in the ATL:
Acting Ambassador to North Korea.
TenguPhule
@MomSense:
I confess I have lost all faith in the NIA and only see tumbrels by the score as the only future going forward.
Jeffro
My RWNJ dad who – until recently – sure did align with trumpov, calls Pence “Mullah Pence”
I think even he knows on a basic level that Pence is dumb and only cares about pushing a far-right religious-right agenda. Which won’t sell too well with a majority of Americans
Heh
Steve in the ATL
@Brachiator:
Bear in mind that (1) anyone who likes either of them is a fucking moron, and (2) anyone who votes republican these days is a fucking asshole.
Baud
@Jeffro:
What happened? Share the good news.
Steve in the ATL
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: Goku says thanks. The rest of us are old enough to get the reference. Sadly.
TenguPhule
@Steve in the ATL:
And that wisdom is why you will be spared come the revolution.
Yarrow
Would it help or hurt Trump’s reelection campaign to replace Pence with someone even less popular than Trump?
MomSense
@TenguPhule:
I live in a state with a lot of trees. I’m thinking I’m well placed for pike production.
Heads on pikes!
Steve in the ATL
@Gin & Tonic: how damaged was your car after you ran that person off the road?
@Jay: as we all know, anyone that concerned about gay people is a closeted gay person
@MomSense: try relaxing by remembering your college renaissance architecture elective
Dorothy A. Winsor
Why does Trump care about 2024? Surely he doesn’t really think one of his kids will run.
TenguPhule
A Guide to Tell Which Newspapers in Britain are owned by Murdoch and Friends and which ones actually care about the actual news.
Steve in the ATL
@TenguPhule: YES!
And don’t ask about what I did to a union earlier today. And then went hiking in Brown County State Park. Who knew there were elevation changes in Indiana?
For the record, we bargained a mutually beneficial result.
TenguPhule
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
I’m gonna stop you right there.
JPL
@Dorothy A. Winsor: hahahahahahahahahahahahahah
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Sounds a bit Byzantine.
TenguPhule
Official: Trump to challenge California authority on mileage
Ken
In the same way, before Jaws: The Revenge there was Jaws 3-D, Jaws 2, and Jaws.
I refer of course to quality, although if presidents and prime ministers had Rotten Tomatoes scores, I imagine that would trend in the same manner.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@TenguPhule: @JPL: That is so deep in Cloud Cuckoo Land that I can’t deal with it.
JPL
@Steve in the ATL: My neighbors formally from Indiana will sometimes call to ask me to take out the dog. They have several Glenn Beck books on their table.
They do ask me who to vote for local politics so I have to tread lightly.
TenguPhule
At the end of the day we’re gonna find these assholes all stole a lot of money from the government and we’re gonna have to claw it back, even if it means their families get booted out into the streets and have to learn to work for a living.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@laura:
Whatever happened to the complaining about “political dynasties” a la Clinton and Bush?
Baud
@JPL:
Have you rescued the dog?
Baud
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
Weren’t those progressives?
MomSense
@Steve in the ATL:
I’d rather think about the trip to Firenze it inspired and the boy I met there. Ahh Ronaldo.
Did you ever read what Mark Twain wrote about Florence and the “river” Arno? I’m too lazy to find the link but trust me it’s worth the google search.
Chyron HR
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
ONE of his kids? The 2024 primary is going to consist of at least two of them arguing about which of them is his rightful heir.
Steve in the ATL
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
Exactly.
Brachiator
@Steve in the ATL:
Ha! Nice summation.
Steve in the ATL
@Chyron HR: spoiler alert: it’s not Tiffany
TenguPhule
And yet, nothing will be done about it. Because apparently our Constitution is indeed a suicide pact.
Jay
TenguPhule
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
They never complained about a dynasty with Bush.
Barbara
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: This must be the genesis of the rumors about Nikki Haley.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@MomSense:
Sounds like “Balloon Juice After Dark” material.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
In other news, I learned much to my surprise that we still have at least one government agency still functioning and working for the citizens.
1. Wallet was stolen. Dutifully reported theft within minutes to all banks for which I had debit or credit cards.
2. Citibank for reasons known only to them left my card open and the thieves made about $3K in purchases on the card over the next couple hours.
3. Eventually Citibank did allow as how those were fraudulent charges and refunded them.
4. But after longer investigation they decided that $1K was actually me using the card half an hour after it was stolen and took that money back out of my account.
5. I initiated a Consumer Finance Protection Board complaint against Citibank, describing all of the above.
6. Within 2 weeks, the money was quietly put back into my account.
I would have thought that of all the agencies the GOP has turned from protectors to support-the-predators, the CFPB would be near the top. It was a pleasant surprise that we still have a CFPB and it still works for us.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@TenguPhule:
GOP: “State’s rights! New Federalism! Except when it interferes with an oil conglomerate’s GOD GIVEN RIGHT to fuck over consumers and line their own pockets, not to mention the pockets of GOP investors. Then overbearing federal control is what the Founders would have wanted and was their original intent. Also, too, the American automotive industry has been infiltrated by eco-commies and should be nationalized by the government to bring them under the control of red-blooded Americans!”
Jeffro
@Baud: I think it’s 50% repeated stock market heart attacks and 50% the crazy, ranty shit is getting obvious even to the faithful. “IM GONNA BUY GREENLAND! I’M JUST GONNA GRAB LAND AND TAKE DoD MONEY TO BUILD THE WALL!”
He knows that IOKIYAR not withstanding, this administration sure is setting a lot of precedence for future Democratic presidents
TenguPhule
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: Everyone knows godless California is not actually part of the United States, like Hawaii. //
Baud
@Jeffro:
Cool. Remember, John Cole’s journey started with a single step.
TenguPhule
@Jeffro:
If only.The hypocritical whiplash will break the speed of light.
MomSense
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
It’s been dark for hours where I live.
TenguPhule
@Baud:
Onto a splotch of spilled mustard and then straight to the emergency room.
Steve in the ATL
@?BillinGlendaleCA: indeed, but it starts six hours earlier because of time zones. Prego!
?BillinGlendaleCA
@TenguPhule: Of course Obummer went to college out here and we named a freeway after him.
Steve in the ATL
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: meanwhile, Wells Fargo opened two new accounts for you
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@TenguPhule:
The Bully Pulpit is just as much a myth for the Speaker as it is for the president. She’s constrained by the same forces. Much of her caucus is still currently against impeachment. And when it passes the House, it would go to the R-controlled Senate where Mitch would damn well turn it into a circus. I think Trump should be impeached too. But that’s not going to happen the way things are so fucked up.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@MomSense: Still sunny and 97 here.
mrmoshpotato
@debbie:
Thanks for throwing a big ol’ wrench into my desire to punch all these fuckers in the throat! :(
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Steve in the ATL:
Huh, what does this have to do with spaghetti sauce?
Mike in NC
@Jay: We just discovered a pretty interesting cop/mystery show set in Iceland called “Trapped” on Amazon Prime.
MomSense
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Three more years and I’m moving to Glendale!
MomSense
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
As long as it’s not about me and Ronaldo!
Drdavechemist
@Steve in the ATL: Interesting geological fact: the elevation changes in southern Indiana are mostly due to erosion during the melt off after the most recent Ice Age. All the “hilltops” are essentially the same elevation. I remember the view from a lookout tower somewhere in that area and it was as flat as Iowa.
Mary G
He’s STILL at it:
Steve in the ATL
@MomSense: you’ll love Arizona
TenguPhule
Donald Trump Has Never Explained a Mysterious $50 Million Loan. Is It Evidence of Tax Fraud?
ljdramone
@Jay: Þúsund takk Ísland!
TenguPhule
@Steve in the ATL:
Only the front.
mrmoshpotato
@JPL:
I feel for that pooch.
“Fido! Let me tell you about Glenn Beck’s most recent totally normal and logical conspiracy theory about Obama!”
?BillinGlendaleCA
@MomSense: It’s cooled off from earlier in the week, the high was only 102 today, tad bit sticky though.
MagdaInBlack
@Steve in the ATL:
I hadn’t thought of Brown County in years. My mothers German side was from that area. Beautiful country. Great names: Gnaw Bone, Bean Blossom.
Its prob been 30 years since I’ve been there.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@MomSense: Uh…TMI.
MomSense
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Today was perfect here – high of 73, sunny, light breeze. If only this weather lasted more than a few weeks.
Mike in NC
@MomSense: Pence has always been a religious nutjob incapable of answering a simple question, as in “Do you believe gay people should be put in prison?”. He hems and haws and proves to be a complete homophobic douchebag.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@MomSense: Hmmmm, sounds a bit chilly. I’d need a jacket.
TenguPhule
Tyrannosaurus rex had a built-in air conditioner, study says
Steve in the ATL
@MagdaInBlack: I was afraid to try the winery in Gnaw Bone. Or anywhere else in Indiana.
Drdavechemist
@MagdaInBlack: I remember a bike ride on the weekend of the “Bean Blossom Boogie”-basically a huge gathering of Harley riders. They were polite to us non-motorized types, but it was so hot that the tar in the chip and seal roads was almost liquid and we had to scrape it off our tires once we got back onto real asphalt.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Mary G:
As was noted on an earlier thread, this is something so simple and so absurd, the media won’t let this go. Apparently, neither will he. Is it too much to hope that this turns into a vicious circle that leads to him having a complete breakdown? Narcissists eventually move on by claiming victory in their own minds but I don’t see how he gets out of this one. It’s so mindbogglingly obvious he’s wrong and everyone knows it
MagdaInBlack
@Steve in the ATL:
Ya, I’d pass too ?
Raven
Go Berz!
Jay
TenguPhule
Just to be clear, the Prosecutor is trying to dismiss charges against the good people protesting against the Nazi Pride people.
Roger Moore
@Brachiator:
I’m not. There are two factors at work:
1) No matter how desperately Trump tries to pass it, people instinctively understand the buck stops with Trump. That means all the Republican failures to achieve their policy goals (e.g. couldn’t repeal Obamacare, haven’t built the wall) get laid on him. Meanwhile, people can imagine how much better Pence would be.
2) Pence is a died-in-the-wool Evangelical. The Evangelicals may believe that Trump is God’s instrument, but they understand he isn’t truly one of them. Pence is, and that counts in his favor.
Steve in the ATL
@Raven: fuck Ditka, but go Berz!
TenguPhule
@Steve in the ATL:
Its safer then the local groundwater.
Drdavechemist
@Steve in the ATL: My research group would regularly go to the Oliver Winery north of Bloomington. It was probably rotgut by my current standards, but we were all graduate students and the boss was paying, so…
They also made mead and had an annual Mead Festival with Morris Dancing and other medieval entertainment (but no jousting, as far as I can recall).
TenguPhule
@Roger Moore:
I think this Furry craze has gotten out of hand.
joel hanes
Kushner and Ivanka Trump wanted to … find a woman running mate
Worked out so great for McCain!
Sara Palin is tanned, rested, and ready.
So is Michelle Bachmann.
Or I’m sure that Liz Cheney would be a real asset.
Or maybe Meghan McCain.
Or Ann Coulter.
Or Pam “Atlas” Geller (though she’s probably too Jewish for Trump)
TenguPhule
Fuck all the coal miners who voted Republican.
MagdaInBlack
@Drdavechemist:
I remember the tourist trap that is Nashville, BUT there are some pretty cool state park lodges in the area.
(Sunday drives with the Aunt when we visited)
ETA- because I’m fascinated with glacial meltdown, ty for that tidbit ?
joel hanes
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
faster than I on the Palin/tanned quip.
hat-tip
Steve in the ATL
@MagdaInBlack: I drove through Nashville today too. It reminded of Helen, Georgia (not a compliment).
Catherine D.
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: Thank you Liz Warren, but like you, I am shocked that it works even now.
RAVEN
@Drdavechemist: We used to drop acid and go to Turkey Run and Shades!
Steve in the ATL
@Drdavechemist: not a fan of mead, but it may well top the local wine
kindness
Honestly now, that Jared & Ivanka think they are Machiavellis, well….that goes along way towards confirming they they are just as big a bag of dolts that we already thought they were. Dilettantes questing for power. And when I hear crap about Ivanka (and now Don Jr) saying they will win in 2024…..oh please!
RAVEN
@Steve in the ATL: Did you take the Pennyrile Parkway?
ThresherK
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: Didn’t the complaining about political dynasties start when Hillary announced for 2008?
NotMax
@Mike in NC
Taut Nordic noir for season one, second season somewhat flabbier.
Another Scott
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Donnie thinks/hopes that he’s creating a family dynasty in the federal government. He thinks that American voters love him so much that nobody else will ever possibly be elected, especially with Vlad’s help. So whether it’s DaughterWife or Jr or Eric or even Tiffany, he doesn’t really care. He just wants someone to be ready to take the big chair.
He also realizes that staying in office is the only think keeping him and his family out of prison, so there’s that also too.
Cheers,
Scott.
Geoduck
@MomSense: Moscow Mitch is far more the problem than Barr or Mueller; it’s actually his job and responsibility to remove an unqualified individual from the Presidency.
Drdavechemist
@MagdaInBlack: Sadly, Nashville IN is a pit. My wife taught for one year at Brown County High School and it was painfully clear how desperately poor that community was. But it was a great area for bicycling, and we enjoyed one or two shows at the summer stock theatre in Nashville.
Jeffro
@Jeffro: whoops, “precedents” ?
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@TenguPhule:
Seems like “Judge” Sinnott has got an authoritarian bent. I tried looking him up on the Wiki page for the Boston Municipal Court and could only find an Eleanor Sinnott. I’m guessing wiki is wrong in this case. Anyway, the judges on the BMC are appointed by the governor, which is weird to me. Municipal court judges where I live are elected.
In any case, Sinnott should be removed. He shouldn’t be a judge
MomSense
@Geoduck:
Moscow Mitch is probably the most anti democratic asshole ever elected to congress.
Programming note: The Last Waltz is airing on the Roku Channel. Great music.
joel hanes
@TenguPhule:
Judge was appointed by Republican Gov. Charlie Baker
Origuy
@MagdaInBlack: My great-great-grandfather is buried in an old cemetary on a road named for the family near Bean Blossom. Another ancestor built the oldest family home in Nashville, still occupied. I have deep roots in Brown County.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@ThresherK:
Probably. It would figure people would only really complain when a woman is involved
RAVEN
@Drdavechemist: oops
karen marie
“All of this would go away if he announced he wasn’t running for president in 2024,”
My gob is smacked.
Yarrow
@RAVEN: FYI, the a/c problem turned out to be the fan motor. Got that replaced and it’s running fine. Capacitor wasn’t a problem. Wasn’t low on coolant. Glad I called out the a/c guys because I don’t think I would have diagnosed that correctly.
joel hanes
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
I tried looking him up on the Wiki page for the Boston Municipal Court and could only find an Eleanor Sinnott.
That’s his wife, who is also a Boston Municipal Court judge.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/09/04/judge-cites-defense-lawyer-for-contempt-court-during-straight-pride-protester-arraignment/keDbKCh31o9a79lqQ8Bv1N/story.html
chris
@Jay: The Never Again people have been running protests almost daily for a while now. Amazing how little coverage, ie. none, they get.
joel hanes
@MomSense:
The Last Waltz
Watching Joni Mitchell and Neil Young look/not look at each other is a mini-drama.
MagdaInBlack
@Origuy:
Mine migrated north to Rushville, where my mothers uncle was a blacksmith .
From there to Chicago, which is where the Polish side joined the mix.?
catclub
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
I realized the problem Trump will have dumping Pence is that whoever they try out in polls will be either a total dud, or be more popular than Trump.
And both of those could be disqualifying.
zhena gogolia
Sean Connery is cool.
MomSense
@joel hanes:
And Joni dissed Dylan badly but he killed his songs that night.
Also there’s a lot of love between Clapton and the band. His guitar strap breaks in the middle of his solo and Robertson jumps in.
The back story is that Clapton listened to Music from Big Pink and that inspired him to completely change his musical direction.
RAVEN
@Yarrow: Glad you got it!
Jay
@TenguPhule:
Getting the shit kicked out of you by a single rioting Cop, ( Captain Jack Danilecki )
would seem to be a Civil Rights violation by Captain Jack, not a chargable offence,
But hey, the US right now has filled 10/12 spots on the Facism Bingo card, according to both Enrico and the Holocaust Museum.
Roger Moore
@catclub:
It’s always a problem when a leader doesn’t want to hire anyone who is better than him in any way, and it’s naturally worse when the standard they aren’t allowed to exceed is Donald Trump. I think Trump must at some level recognize his own incompetence, because he seems to restrict himself to people who are less competent than he actually is, not to the much broader pool of people who are less competent than he says he is.
kindness
@MomSense: Clapton visited with them and stayed a bit when they lived at Big Pink.
Yarrow
@RAVEN: Yeah, it was several rough nights, being woken up from a sound sleep by incredibly loud screeching from the a/c unit. Adrenaline coursing trying to figure out what that noise was, realizing it was the a/c, shutting it off, then sleeping–or not sleeping–in the heat for the rest of the night. Glad it’s fixed.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Yarrow:
That’s good, you know how hard it is to find those flux capacitors.
Yarrow
@?BillinGlendaleCA: It sure is. Especially on the Sunday of a holiday weekend.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@joel hanes:
Huh. The list on wiki listed her but not him for some reason. She was appointed by Romney in 2006. He was appointed by Charlie Baker in 2017. The comments at Boston.com are typical of any paper’s comments. Lots of justifying the judge’s decision, saying the female defense attorney was shrill and deserved to get thrown into jail for interrupting him, all the while ignoring the heart of the matter; the judge violated the separation of powers by pressing charges against nonviolent protesters despite the desires of the prosecutors (that makes them “pro-criminal” btw).
RAVEN
@?BillinGlendaleCA: You can find them, they just don’t last.
MomSense
@kindness:
I didn’t know that, but it pulls some threads together. I think Clapton is the one who presented them when they were inducted into the Rock ‘n Roll Hall of Fame.
RAVEN
@Yarrow: When our motors came out the dude said “I can replace it but you don’t want to pay the Sunday charge.”!
catclub
As to the old man who cannot admit he is wrong about anything, and the staff who try to calm him down by proving he was right – so there!:
My suggested talking point is “people are laughing at Trump”
“The world is laughing at the US for electing Trump”
?BillinGlendaleCA
@RAVEN: Sure, always in flux.
Mary G
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Mary G: My girls paid a visit to the doggie day spa today.
The Dangerman
Pence has only two real chances to ever be President. 1, Trump’s heart or brain goes kablowy (sp?) or, 2, 25th Amendment. Thats it. He is never getting electrd on his own.
Gvg
i think everyone is projecting themselves or at least someone rational onto Trump when they speculate he expects one of his kids to run on 2024. He has never said so that I have heard. What he has said repeatedly, is he should get a third term, or change the Constitution or get more time because of the democrats “wasting” his time on phony investigations. He is a narcissist and does not really believe or care about anything after him. He doesn’t intend to leave office. That doesn’t mean he is plotting some way to stay in office, it just means he doesn’t believe it will happen because he doesn’t want it to.
I also think, that even if he wasn’t hated and guilty of lawbreaking to fear post office charges, he would find it impossible to deal with no longer being “the most powerful man in the world” anymore. He will hate anyone who succeeds him, even a Republican who tries to protect him. And I expect he will sabotage anyone who tries to run, because he won’t shut up and will try to make himself the center of attention always. That could get interesting, especially if the press immediately starts following his successor and ignoring him. He could blurt out some really interesting things then.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Gvg: Trump is a monarchist, he has been his whole life. Look at his decor, he has his family crest all over the place. It’s true that he thinks he should be President for life, but he wants his family to follow him as President.
ETA: He views running the US as he does his family business, so naturally a Trump would follow him.
Yarrow
@RAVEN: Yeah, I knew I didn’t want to pay that, especially on a holiday weekend. Just waited it out. It was kind of working off and on so it wasn’t completely awful. Just unpredictable and when it stopped working it was LOUD.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Gvg: That actually sounds plausible. Crazy, but plausible.
Yarrow
@Gvg: Don Jr. has made some hints about running for office.
Baud
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
It’s plausible because it’s crazy.
RAVEN
@Yarrow: Bearings.
Steve in the ATL
@Yarrow: that will not go well.
Yarrow
@RAVEN: It was. You could hear them rattling around. They had a look at it but decided that given everything it was smarter to replace it. If it caused the compressor to work too hard then it might mean a new unit overall. Much more expensive.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Yarrow: Ivanka has White House experience.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Yarrow:
Hell, I remember hearing about him or Eric trying to run for NY governor. Neither would win that
@Steve in the ATL:
You would hope so.
Yarrow
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Ivanka has experience with lots of things.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Hey so does Jared Kushner, her husband. He’s been described as the son Trump never had and he single-handedly brought peace to the middle east. I smell a Kushner candidacy!
Aleta
“Trump is a monarchist”
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Around Jan 24 in 2017 a story appeared (planted imo):
“Helgason became interested in Trump’s lineage after speculation about Donald Trump’s potential kinship to Icelanders went viral on Facebook. Helgason, a former fisherman, is one of Iceland’s most prominent genealogist and president of ORG-genealogist service in Reykjavik.
In his exploration of Trump’s kinship to Icelanders, Helgason also traced him to Guðni Th. Jóhannesson, current President of Iceland. “Naturally, as he is the Icelandic head of state,” Helgason wrote on Facebook.
The two presidents are in fact related back through 25 generations and share a common ancestor in no other than King Hakon V of Norway, a Viking-age king who reigned from 1299 to 1319. Mr. President Trump is a descendant of Hakon’s only legitimate daughter, Duchess Ingibjörg Hákonardóttir (Ingebjørg Håkonsdatter) who by marriage became a Swedish princess and was the mother of King Magnus of Norway and Sweden. President Jóhannesson is the descendant of King Hákon’s illegitimate daugther Agnes.
Mr. Trump is a descendant of King Christian I of Denmark, Norway and Sweden. Trump can also trace his ancestry to the Scottish royalty. Christian I of Denmark was the father of Queen Margaret of Scotland, the spouse of King James IV of Scotland. Their son, King James IV of Scotland is also Mr. Trump’s forefather.
Trump’s royal British ancestors have been reported on earlier, and Trump and his democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton, are related through a common ancestor, John of Gaunt, son of King Edward III.”
https://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/culture_and_living/2017/01/24/donald_trump_is_related_to_most_icelanders_and_dani/
So be grateful America.
Martin
@The Dangerman:
You forgot the third:
Jesus
Citizen Scientist
Ugh. Rachel is talking about the ‘radiation event’ in Russia a few weeks ago. Sounds like they were retrieving a previous missile that had misfired and damaged it, thus causing the radiation release. Also, the US is withholding defense funds from the Ukraine until 30 Sept when it won’t have those funds to send.
RAVEN
@Citizen Scientist: I hope she explained it 20 times.
Yarrow
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
I am so tired that my brain read that as “brought peace to the middle seat.” At least that might be worth something.
Steve in the ATL
@Aleta: BFD. You go back 25 generations and everyone is related. He’s still a corrupt moron who has accomplished the seemingly impossible feat of being dumber, more ignorant, and less competent than George W Bush.
Dave
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: Bit of an understatement.
Yarrow
@RAVEN: After the ten minutes of hype, build-up, and intro.
The Dangerman
@Martin: Jesus.
Nah. Jesus would tell Pence to get bent.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@The Dangerman: …or impeachment, which is actually a lighter lift than the 25th Amendment.
Kay
We’re doing a corn poll at the county fair – like the one in Iowa – and I regret to inform you that Bill deBlasio did not make the cut because I can’t find any more mason jars. Also John Delaney is out. Tulsi got in right under the wire. Grudgingly, on my part. Voting starts Saturday. I think this poll will be 100% reliable.
Baud
@Kay:
Sounds rigged.
Immanentize
@Kay:
But what about Williamson? What about LOVE?!
Kay
@Baud:
Oh, it is. I’m putting the candidates I don’t like behind the candidates I do like. Under the counter so they have to ask for it?
No- too obvious. That’s Debbie Wasserman Schultz territory.
J R in WV
@Yarrow:
That’s a clue that it was the fan motor. On the other hand, we’ve replaced a couple of (really expensive variable speed) fan motors, which never made a squeak. Our fan motor is atypical, yours is not.
Kay
@Immanentize:
I did her! I don’t like her though. The Bernie logo is huge – I cut it out so I used it but he’s cheating, basically, with that giant Bernie.
Jay
MomSense
@Immanentize:
Best diss I’ve heard yet is calling her Chakra Con.
Immanentize
@Kay:
I remember that picture of how Bernie supporters put their signs in front of the signs of other candidates. That is yet another reason why he would be a horrible leader. He likes cheating.
Immanentize
@MomSense:
And her sister, Wrecka Room.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Yarrow:
LOL. The middle seat on Air Force One?
@Dave:
Kinda
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Kay:
Is that like a “straw poll”?
Kay
@Immanentize:
My assistant said “no one is going to vote” (because it’s so Republican here) which may be true but is still very hurtful of her to say :)
Kay
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
It is. I have done those too. With paper. We have one Democrat who always writes in Al Gore.
One of the locals saw the Iowa poll on the internet so wanted it. I don’t have that big feed corn so I’m using dried beans.
Immanentize
@Kay:
Oh I bet everyone will vote because it’s fun! And in the end means nothing. So, put in the corn!
Immanentize
@Kay:
Use buckeyes! Even the candy would be great!
Steve in the ATL
@Immanentize:
They’ll just lose to an SEC team like they always do
Immanentize
@Steve in the ATL: There is that….
Jay
Yarrow
@J R in WV: The loud sound was extremely intermittent. By the time I got out to check the unit the sound had stopped. Then it wouldn’t make it again for 24 hours or so. Most of the time the fan ran fine but the compressor didn’t, which is why everyone was diagnosing the capacitor.
Jay
Yarrow
@Kay: Cole could probably hook you up with some jars.
Calouste
How Pence’s visit was described in the Irish Times: How Mike Pence shat on the new carpet in Ireland’s spare room
debbie
@Immanentize:
Hey, I was glad to read Immp’s tube is pending removal. Congratulations to you both!
Sally
@Mike in NC: I thought the series was riveting.
Amir Khalid
@The Dangerman:
I usually go with kablooey myself, or even ka-blooey if the whim strikes me.
Dev Null
@Roger Moore:
I think the term is “dyed in the wool”, as in “so deeply stained as to be unchangeable”.
Of course, “usage defines spelling” and meaning and pronunciation and everything else, so pay no attention to me.
Still, I struggle to reconcile the fact that (AFAIK) Pence is as yet undead with your claim that Pence is died, even in the wool (presumably you mean “in a woolen suit”, eh?). Perhaps you are suggesting that Pence is a zombie? (You won’t get an argument from me… if his reputation is deserved he might benefit by eating brains.)
Or you might be referring to the 1945 detective novel “Died in the Wool” which concerns itself with the murder of a New Zealand parliamentarian on a remote sheep farm, in which case I genuflect to your literary superiority.
(Even if the author of the novel was punning.)
No, I haven’t been drinking. Why do you ask?