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Late Night Open Thread: #Fvck the Fvcking NYTimes

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Dean Baquet is not leaving, since he’s constituitionally incapable of being humiliated, but it wouldn’t surprise me if reporter Ken Vogel (the guy who doxxed Neera Tanden’s elderly mother) gets thrown off the lifeboat…

I’m not cancelling my sub — yet — because the NYTimes also pays a lot of good reporters, and produces great things like the 1619 Project. But if you choose to do so:

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  3. 3.

    cain

    On the other hand, I think it’s fucked up that you can subscribe online but have to call to unsubscribe. I had a similar thing with the Oregonian. Meh.

  5. 5.

    Wag

    I’m deeply conflicted by my NYT subscription. On the one hand , there’s the quality reporting like 1619, on the other hand you have David Brooks , king of Both-Siderism and leader of the meek apologist brigade. What’s a guy to do?

  6. 6.

    TS (the original)

    @cain: I canceled mine – I think before the 2016 election. Maybe I should subscribe again – so I can cancel again

  8. 8.

    ThresherK

    @cain: I’m reminded of how people were buying Rutles records in order to burn them, which really bumped up their record sales.

  9. 9.

    opiejeanne

    OT, I thought I saw earlier today that Trump had called a press conference. I haven’t seen anything about it since, not even if he cancelled it. Anyone else hear this?

    ETA it would have been before noon, PDT.

  10. 10.

    SFAW

    I’m not cancelling my sub — yet — because the NYTimes also pays a lot of good reporters, and produces great things like the 1619 Project.

    You seem to be saying the FTFTFNYT should continue to get rewarded — by not being punished — for behaving badly, because some (perceived) innocents might have a tougher life than if you didn’t cancel.

  11. 11.

    Kelly

    @cain: Kurt Schrader has dropped his cautious wait see stand about the impeachment inquiry and joined the rest of the Oregon Democrats. I’m sure my Monday phone call to his office pushed him off the fence. It’s his usual behavior, wait and see until the the issue has been settled without him then join the winning side.

  12. 12.

    H.E.Wolf

    @SiubhanDuinne:
    I hope your injured wrist is (or soon will be) starting to heal. Were you set upon by a sinister character outside of the Soviet Club, a la Peter Wimsey in Clouds of Witness?

  13. 13.

    Mandalay

    I’m not cancelling my sub — yet — because the NYTimes also pays a lot of good reporters, and produces great things like the 1619 Project.

    Soooo…. you went to all that effort to take a big, wet shit all over the NYT, yet you’re keeping your subscription?

    Really?

    (It also reminds me of some posters here who tut-tut the use of links to the NYT by others, yet happily link to it themselves.)

  14. 14.

    SFAW

    @H.E.Wolf:

    Were you set upon by a sinister character outside of the Soviet Club, a la Peter Wimsey in Clouds of Witness?

    I heard she got it from beating the crap out of some RWMF who desperately needed it.

  15. 15.

    TomatoQueen

    I cancelled my subscription today. I had a digital subscription, so searched diligently through the ‘contact us’ instructions to find the method for cancelling online. No such instructions exist, that I could see, so I called the 877- number and sat in the queue for 20 minutes, and then got a live human named Neil, or Greg, or Humbert Humbert, and got him to do the deed. He did ask “why” and I said “I have a long list of reasons, but suffice it to say after a 40 minute wait that outing a whistleblower was a step too far”. No refund for my current payment, so I have access for another month–I shall stick my nose in the air and avoid the bookmark entirely (virtue-signaling). And now back to Country Music episode 8, Dolly on Mule Skinner Blues what a voice and what audacity to pick that tune.

  16. 16.

    Mary G

    The story about the “swing voters” who’ve been used in previous man-on-the-street pieces and are all dedicated Republicans is the bigger sin. The WB would have been outed by the White House as soon as they could make up dirt on him or her, but it’s straight lying to the readers when you describe a woman who’s been to 20+ Trump rallies, a local Republican official, and a man who keeps a portrait of Robert E. Lee in his living room as “swing voters.”

  22. 22.

    CaseyL

    Canceled mine some time ago, after one of the continuing series of recent outrages. Can’t remember which one, there’ve been so many.

    I said earlier the NYT has been resting on its Pentagon Papers laurels for, well, decades. Put that against the long, long list of egregious failures and I wonder howinhell they became “The Paper of Record.”

  25. 25.

    Sebastian

    Love the first tweet but would like to add that the entire punditocracy missed the biggest story of the century, Russia installing a puppet as POTUS. Let that fucking sink in.

  26. 26.

    The Dangerman

    Hey Anne Laurie, did you see an email from me regarding a potential cat adoption need in Pismo Beach, CA (I may have used San Luis Obispo). I used the contact the front pager thing on this here website but I must of done it wrong (or you aren’t the pet adoption person; I forget who does that kinda thing)

    Oh, and ITMGA-FFS (or, in other words, Fuck ‘ Em)

  27. 27.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @opiejeanne:

    I think there was something with a bunch of sheriffs or local law enforcement or something — an attempted distraction from whistlepeachmentgate.

  28. 28.

    piratedan

    AL, I understand your conflict, there are some reporters and some sections of the NYT that do quality work, do essential stories and cover many other facets of our society well….

    yet, they made their bones on their supposedly impartial political reporting and the constant use and abuse of our goodwill when they cover Trump the way that they do, the constant Op-Eds telling us that this is all just part of doing business and the misrepresentation of misdeeds and positions by the current administration and who support them means that as long as we accept this fascist shitburger, perhaps they’ll continue to run the Sunday crossword to make everything else seem normal…. Maybe if there was some lunatic fringe on the left that would put the fear of whatever higher power and righteous retribution into Dean Bacquet and all of managing editors if THEY were doxxed but we don’t operate that way and for them to ignore the very real dangers of their sanctimonious practices speaks volumes… as we’ve seen repeated on this blog many times, deeds not words… and perhaps its time to hit them where it hurts, boycotting their advertisers…

    in short… fuck them

  30. 30.

    Anne Laurie

    @Mandalay:

    Soooo…. you went to all that effort to take a big, wet shit all over the NYT, yet you’re keeping your subscription?

    Really?

    I separate the NYT’s editorial management (Dean Baquet) from its office workers (the good reporters). There might come a tipping point when I’m personally prepared to sacrifice the workers’ jobs (& my own self-interest in its products) to punish the bosses. But that time is not yet.

    ETA: Also, I wanted to get down my marker on Ken Vogel being the proximate scapegoat.

  31. 31.

    Anne Laurie

    @The Dangerman:

    Hey Anne Laurie, did you see an email from me regarding a potential cat adoption need in Pismo Beach, CA (I may have used San Luis Obispo).

    No, that never showed up in my inbox.

    Can you send it directly to annelaurie (dot) bj (at) gmail.com? Preferably with pics?

  33. 33.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @H.E.Wolf:

    Nothing nearly so exotic (funny you should mention Clouds of Witness, though; I was just listening to Ian Carmichael’s audiobook reading of it a few days ago).

    @? BillinGlendaleCA:

    Thank you both for asking. I’m in a temporary splint, and have some drugs that are doing a very decent job of keeping the pain at bay, although they seem to suck at the making me drowsy part the label warned me about. Lengthy phone consultation with the orthopædic surgeon’s office; they looked at my file from the ER, asked me a bunch of questions, and determined I should see a non-surgical specialist first. So I have an appointment on October 9 (they offered me the 31st — Hallowe’en — but I persuaded them that I could NOT go a full five weeks. The 9th was the earliest. Anyhow, I’m encouraged that surgery, while not ruled out, doesn’t seem to be imminent. As long as I’m not in pain, I can muddle along, though doing things one-handed is challenging. Again, nice of you to ask, and I’ll keep the Jackaltariat updated as events warrant.

  34. 34.

    The Dangerman

    @Anne Laurie:

    Can you send it directly to annelaurie (dot) bj (at) gmail.com? Preferably with pics?

    Sure. Pics might take a second as I’m not exactly sober. I was when I did the first email though. Really. It may not read that way but I was. I think.

    Incoming in a few.

  36. 36.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Mary G: Flake then added, “But a public vote to convict will have no Rethuglican votes, because we’re a party full of chickenshit bastards.”

  37. 37.

    joel hanes

    @TS (the original):

    They keep sending me invitations to subscribe, about four a year.
    I keep a working draft of the refusal letter that I sometimes return to them.
    As of last week it cited buttery males, their suppression of the story of W’s illegal ex-FISA domestic surveillance, the Clinton Rules and Whitewater, Judith Miller, Maggie Haberman, Trump’s home-town fraud getting a bye, thin-skinned solipsism in their editorial stance, both-siderism as a disease, and their besetting inability to state that the sky is blue.

    Next time I get a solicitation, I’ll add Ken Vogel.

    It’s a shame. They could be so great with better owners.

  38. 38.

    Kattails

    @SiubhanDuinne: Glad to hear you’re muddling through, so sorry about the pain and nuisance thing. Hope it clears up in a serious hurry. Lord Peter though… I had an excellent cat named Lord Peter Whimsey. A tuxedo of course. I had a full set of the books including the various short stories, mostly paperbacks. Last year in a fit of clearing decided that I’d read them all enough times, and donated all to–to (sniff–grabs hankie) the l-l-local historical society for their b-b-book sale, I hope they found good homes (sob)
    or did I whine about this last year? sry

  39. 39.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    @SiubhanDuinne: Madame had a tendon tear in her wrist about 15 years ago(she slipped getting out of the jury box while on jury duty), she eventually had surgery on it(workers comp, so it was a slow process). The day after her surgery, half of her face went numb. Turns out she had Bell’s Palsy, apparently it’s a rare and temporary side effect from surgery.

  41. 41.

    Mnemosyne

    @Yarrow:

    I still think that the sudden surge in digital-only subscriptions that’s keeping them afloat were paid in rubles and include a lot of names that are the Russian equivalent of “John Smith.”

  43. 43.

    joel hanes

    @Kattails:

    I’m really looking forward to the day that I open the box that has my Sayers and start re-reading them for the nth time. Such a treat.

    I give some kinds of people _Murder_Must_Advertise_ for a birthday or Christmas.
    If they’re the right kind of people, they’ll make their own way to _Gaudy_Night_

    Have you read Dorothy Dunnett?

  44. 44.

    cmorenc

    Fuck that treacherous asshole Dean Baquet with rusty razor blades.

    I will never buy another copy of the NYT.

  47. 47.

    Mai naem mobile

    They let two WH sources stay anonymous who gave them the details on the whistleblower. You can’t make this shit up.

  48. 48.

    frosty

    @SiubhanDuinne: Did they set it before they put it in the splint? Bones heal in about six weeks in a cast. Five weeks to see a doc is ridiculous.

    Mine was 5 hairlines and a chip in all the wrist bones and I don’t recall them setting it like they did my nose, collarbone and little finger.

  49. 49.

    Spc

    @TS (the original): A lot of NYers are conflicted as well – it’s their only serious local paper. If enough people cancel en masse it could end up being short term if they get the message. Do nothing though and it will remain business as usual.

  51. 51.

    patrick II

    I cancelled my Subscription somewhere between the 50th and 60th Hillary email server story. (10 came out while I was waiting on hold).

  57. 57.

    Elizabelle

    @Yarrow: If we are wondering that, don’t you think other journalists are wondering it, too? Praying there is a big reveal, because the FTF NYTimes can do some serious damage.

    I wonder what some of the NY Times journalists and columnists think about that possibility.

  58. 58.

    Kathleen

    Funny how FTFNYT never evaluated the character of motivation of Clinton Cash “authors” when they decided to use book as source material.

  59. 59.

    Elizabelle

    Alexandra Petri, and this is Pulitzer-worthy. Satire. Rod Serling meets Stephen King meets Fox News. The corn is not amused. And it wants inside.

    WaPost: Trump’s getting impeached? I defy you to convince anyone at this cursed truck stop.

    She is in a diner, waiting out an electrical storm.

    … The TVs here aren’t tuned to CNN or MSNBC for the scandal of the day. No, sir. They’re playing what appears to be Rudy Giuliani chanting an uninterrupted mantra for the past six hours. When I look at my watch, the hands don’t seem to move, but when I look at it again after my next sip of coffee, it says hours have passed. How long have I been here?

    Someone tries to mention the phone call to the president of Ukraine, and out of nowhere, pigs in all the neighboring fields begin to screech, horribly, an almost human sound, and they only stop when he gives up mentioning it.

    You might think Donald Trump was mired in scandal, but here at this diner, we don’t agree. We like to see the media get riled up. The corn and soybeans don’t care about what the president has been doing on his phone calls to Ukraine. Whenever I try to ask, something rustles against the window, and it’s corn. I think it must be higher than an elephant’s eye now. The corn is pressed right up to the glass. I think the corn wants to get inside.

    There’s a Norman Rockwell painting hung on the wall, and it says it doesn’t think the president has done anything bad. There’s a scarecrow in a pair of dungarees with a big pitchfork. He and his pitchfork both voted for Trump. They will vote for him in the next hundred elections. When I turn around from talking to them, I don’t see the windows anymore. Is it day or night? I thought there used to be windows. Has it always been so dark? Are we underground? …

  62. 62.

    p.a.

    Cancel??!! And miss the upcoming Lifestyles feature with Melancholia and Dumb-ald on “Interior Design: You too Can Afford the Gilt Look- It’s All in the Friends You Make!”

  63. 63.

    different-church-lady

    How long ago was it now… six? Ten years ago? …that they had a feature article about the travails of affuent bedroom community mothers with power jobs and their horrible struggles with drug addiction?

    Back then I thought it was the most NYT article ever — like an Onion parody of how the NYTs would cover an addiction crisis.

  65. 65.

    BC in Illinois

    @Mary G:

    The Honorable Sonia Sotomayor — Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States — threw out the ceremonial first pitch today at #Nats Park! pic.twitter.com/VarSMgi9ih— Washington Nationals (@Nationals) September 26, 2019

    Good for Justice Sotomayor. But look at the video. The Nationals are in the playoffs and the stands are empty. Is something better happening in Washington?

  66. 66.

    RAM

    I maintain my NYT sub solely because of Krugman. For some reason, he’s ignored my pleading with him to move on to another news organization, so I’m stuck for the time being. But here’s the deal: Dean Baquet is a cancer on American journalism.

  67. 67.

    Miss Bianca

    @SiubhanDuinne: Hey, SD, just wanted to check in and say I was sorry to hear about yr broken wrist. With the news sewer pipe bursting the way it has, it’s easy for some things to get past me without proper commemoration/commiseration.

  68. 68.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Miss Bianca:

    Oh, thank you, Miss B. I know what you mean — I am awful these days about congratulations and commiserations, birthday and new baby/kitten greetings, and even just participating in threads.

    Grateful for your kind thoughts.

  69. 69.

    SiubhanDuinne

    I just noticed that in my comment #33, timestamped 1:19 am, I failed to close a parenthesis. Now I’m going to feel all exposed and incomplete all day unless I close that motherfucker right now.

    )

  71. 71.

    WaterGirl

    @The Dangerman: You can also reach any front pager by sending email to their nym at balloon-juice.com. If the front pager is Bob Jones, it would be bob-jones at balloon-juice.com

    It’s not really publicized yet because we made those accounts as part of the new site, but they are all functional.

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