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I turn on the computer and what do I see? President Impeachment has run a bus over Rick Perry several times

Frog/Scorpion and all.

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  2. 2.

    dmsilev

    So many people are being thrown under so many buses. Finally, Republicans see value in public transportation.

  4. 4.

    Aleta

    Olga Lautman @olgaNYC1211
    Ahaha! Trumps perfect call to extort Ukraine was pushed by Rick Perry? Only problem is Giuliani, Parnas, Fruman were digging for Biden dirt and trying to prove Ukraine not Russia attacked our elections months before the phone call. Kislin on behalf of Trump has been since Aug

    Rudy Giuliani has been working on getting info in Ukraine since 2017 and then resumed again a year ago. The only positive out of this shit show is watching trump burn his loyalists. Will get very interesting

    (From May 13) Olga Lautman @olgaNYC1211

    Giuliani news..
    Giuliani was supposed to receive an award on his canceled trip to Ukraine by a rabbi from ‘Friends of Anatevka’ org for his “fight for human rights”??This org is run by Igor Fruman who was under scrutiny for a mysterious $325k donation to Trump’s super pac.

    The company was opened a month before coming into this large sum of cash to make a donation. Sounds like the money laundering continues

    They have also been spotted with US Ambassador to Israel David Friedman as well as other Trump loyalists

    From 7/31/18 daily beast
    Meet the Eastern European Mystery Donors Behind the Trump-Allied Super PAC
    Global Energy Producers LLC is one of the biggest givers to America First Action. Figuring out where that money is coming from, however, is not easy.

    (May 13) Olga Lautman @olgaNYC1211

    Chabad that Putin formed an alliance with in the 90’s really needs to be looked into. Putin enlisted Abramovich and Leviev as their biggest patrons.

    * The other guy Lev Parnas who was involved in the strange company that most likely laundered money into Trump’s super pac is one of the people helping dig for, fabricate, info to help Trump in starting investigations into Biden and Russia’s propaganda that Ukraine colluded


  5. 5.

    dmsilev

    @debbie: Yom Kippur is just around the corner. Wonder what sins she feels she needs to atone for.

    (We’ll have to consult a Talmudic scholar, but I believe that strictly speaking, ‘Jared’ by itself isn’t an atonable sin)

  10. 10.

    Jeffro

    I’ll give him credit: one dummy saying another dummy gave him bad advice is not a bad gambit when all the facts…like literally ALL the facts…are against you.

    And yet, as I posed to my RWNJ family members: “I thought it was ‘hearsay’…then it was a ‘perfect call’…then it was tireless dedication to uprooting ‘corruption’ (although strangely specific only to Ukraine and to the Bidens)…and now it is ‘Rick made me do it’ “?

    They really do need to read that op-ed on accommodation. Could be an eye-opener to realize just why they keep doubling down on their support of an obviously corrupt leader.

    Do the hard work, Republicans! Find someone less corrupt to represent your twin ideals of white supremacy and oligarchy! You can do this!

  12. 12.

    CaseyL

    Like I said in an earlier thread, Rick Perry turned out to be perhaps the most conscientious and least objectionable of the Trump Cabinet. It figures that Trump would pick him as the scapegoat.

    These people are beyond vile. They’re a kind of Platonic ideal of vileness.

  14. 14.

    NotMax

    “Crocodile Dumbdee stalks the target through the weeds. Suddenly he spots him, revealed by a bright glint of light off horn-rimmed spectacles.”

  15. 15.

    PsiFighter37

    I wonder if Governor Numbnuts will oblige and let the bus run roughshod over him or not.

  16. 16.

    Ken

    @Jeffro: We’ve seen Trump shifting his story before. The people I’d feel sorry for are the ones who’ve been out there defending Trump using story A, then Trump comes up with story B and invalidates their argument. That is, I’d feel sorry for them if I weren’t laughing so much. And if they were able to feel any sort of shame or embarrassment.

    BTW who was the Trump spokesman a couple of years back who came right out and said “those facts are no longer operative”, or some phrase to that effect?

  17. 17.

    balconesfault

    From Austin Texas, I am wondering how the Texas GOP is going to take the guy who was their golden boy for a long time suddenly being thrown under the bus.

    Perry wasn’t viewed as Presidential material, but he was a reliable governor with deep roots with the big donors here. I can’t imagine this will go down well.

  18. 18.

    Jeffro

    For what it’s worth, preznit meltdown is…melting down on idTwitter. Like, just going nuts.

  19. 19.

    Roger Moore

    @PsiFighter37:

    I wonder if Governor Numbnuts will oblige and let the bus run roughshod over him or not.

    I expect it will be running over other people before he gets enough time to decide how to react- a testament to both Perry’s dimwittedness and the speed at which the Trump bus is running people over.

  20. 20.

    Jeffro

    @Ken: You mean “alternative facts”? I think that’s all of them, Katie (LOL). No seriously I think it was none other than Mrs. George Conway herself.

  21. 21.

    Jeffro

    I’m reading his tweets from earlier today and who knew that Jeff Flake is now ‘BETTER!’ than Mitt Romney?

    If it were me, I’d have to flip a coin to determine which one gets kicked into the active volcano first, but according to trumpov it’s Mitt. Today, that is. Tomorrow – Rick Perry?

  23. 23.

    Mary G

    @Jeffro: He’s really mad at Mitt Romney, but I’m not sure videos of both election night counts are as great as he thinks it is. And he’s using CNN clips.

  24. 24.

    sukabi

    I know a bunch of folks who are going to wish they’d used the 25th amendment when they had the chance.

  27. 27.

    West of the Rockies

    So, how did Perry pitch his plan anyway? “Mr. President, there are three countries you need to call: Australia, Ukraine, and, uh… Oops.”

  28. 28.

    Jeffro

    Also (not my insight – summed up from better Twitter wits than I): how can the “Do Nothing Democrats” be a) interfering not only in the 2020 election but also the 2016 election, and b) how can they be “Do Nothing Democrats” if they’re going all-out to impeach the president*?

    Also, does trumpov REALLY think he’s swirling down the sewer pipe of history over one phone call? (Narrator: yes, Jeffro, he really DOES think that).

    I almost wish I had such severe NPD or whatever he has…my life is not usually this simple and blameless. Ok, ever. That’s ok, I’ll just muddle through…

  29. 29.

    Jeffro

    @Mary G: He’s terrified of what Mitt could do to him, with just one or maybe two sections of vertebrae. That’s all it would take, Mitt. Just two out of like ten or however many most of us have.

    He is hanging by a thread, by multiple threads, any one of which could snap at any time. It’s like it’s a Gordian Knot, woven and tied by trumpov’s usual low-bid scammy contracting. Could give way at any mo….

  30. 30.

    HumboldtBlue

    I’m broke and out of work and yet I have still managed to have a better month than Trump.

  33. 33.

    Aleta

    Chicago Trib

    MIAMI Over the summer, Dianne and Michael Pues got an ominous phone call from the business partner of a Ukrainian American entrepreneur who owes the couple more than $500,000 over a movie deal gone bad.

    “He said the Ukrainians were upset because we were ‘a dangling participle’ and we needed to make a deal to make them go away,” Dianne Pues, who lives in New Jersey with her husband, recounted in a recent interview. “He said we no longer knew who we were dealing with and that the Ukrainians had ties all the way up to the State Department and the White House and they were partners with Rudy Giuliani.”

    Working with Giuliani, the White House and the State Department was no idle boast. The “Ukrainians” are two South Florida businessmen named Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman who on Monday were sent letters by three House committees requesting information as part of an impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump.
    …
    On Monday, three House committees subpoenaed Giuliani for documents relating to his efforts in Ukraine. They also sent letters to Parnas, Fruman and a third man, Semyon Kislin, “seeking documents and noticing depositions.”

    At the same time he and Fruman have faced lawsuits over unpaid debts, the two men and their natural gas company, Global Energy Producers, have donated more than $400,000 to Republican candidates and committees supporting them in federal elections. A $325,000 donation to a pro-Trump super PAC was the subject of a complaint from a nonpartisan watchdog group.
    …
    Giuliani has described the two men as legal clients and been photographed with them in the company of the president. …

    Parnas was asked by the House to appear for a deposition on Oct. 10, according to a copy of the letter. Fruman was asked to appear the next day.

  35. 35.

    TS (the original)

    @balconesfault:

    I can’t imagine this will go down well.

    They won’t care – they are all such trump sycophants – they will support trump against anyone.

  37. 37.

    dmsilev

    @sukabi: Can “Acting Secretaries” do the 25th Amendment thing?

    Also, that’s certainly a subject someone should ask any potential nominee about during a confirmation hearing.

  38. 38.

    Jim Parish

    Of Rick Perry and Donald Trump, which one is the boss?

    Harry Truman must be rolling in his grave.

  48. 48.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Aleta:

    The only positive out of this shit show is watching trump burn his loyalists. Will get very interesting

    Who’re you rooting for? Injuries.

  49. 49.

    Roger Moore

    @Jeffro:

    how can they be “Do Nothing Democrats” if they’re going all-out to impeach the president*?

    They’re “do nothing” in the sense of failing to pass the legislation Americans are demanding, not in the sense of literally doing nothing at all.

  54. 54.

    chopper

    @CaseyL:

    well, exactly. perry may be an idiot and a buffoon, but he is by far the smartest-looking guy in trump’s cabinet mostly on account of him just never really showing up. in the land of the blind, etc etc.

    so i guess in trump’s mind it’s easy to point to perry and go ‘hey, let’s make that egghead out to be the big brain behind it’.

  55. 55.

    Luciamia

    Why, why , why are ANY of these people surprised when Trump gives them the shiv? It’s his basic nature.

  59. 59.

    Ken

    @Chyron HR: I expect we’ll see Trump criticizing Perry’s dancing in the next day too, given the man’s ridiculous fixation on reality TV shows and ratings.

  61. 61.

    chris

    @Mary G: Good thread on narcissism here.

    I don't know who needs to hear this, but back in the day, when I was a lawyer, over 30 years, I represented 2 high-functioning narcissistic sociopaths.So I know how the endgame is going to be played out:Bail out now, enablers. Quit. Cut your best deal. 1/x pic.twitter.com/zdYxGVz0OY— Dean Gloster (@deangloster) October 5, 2019

  62. 62.

    RSA

    Amazing. It’s been obvious for decades that Trump will throw his subordinates under the bus whenever it’s to his advantage. Even just personal advantage. Now, it’s theoretically possible that some altruistic person might decide to work for Trump to rein in his worst impulses–but what am I saying? These are Republicans. They were in it for themselves. They deserve whatever they get, and they knew in advance the risk.

  63. 63.

    Roger Moore

    @dmsilev:

    Can “Acting Secretaries” do the 25th Amendment thing?

    AFAIK there’s no definitive ruling on this. I’m sure Trump would be happy to argue whichever way is most beneficial to him, and it would be up to the Supreme Court to decide.

    ETA: and as a practical matter, the 25th Amendment is unimportant. The same majority that could keep Trump out of power using the 25th Amendment could remove him from office permanently through impeachment. The only way it matters is if the 25th Amendment is somehow easier politically.

  66. 66.

    cain

    Apparently, Susan Collins is full of fiery outrage in regards to Trump asking China to dig dirt on his political opponent, with deep passion she worked herself up to saying that Trump was “completely inappropriate”. My goodness! The woman from Maine seems quite inflamed!

    Susan Collins says it’s “completely inappropriate” for Trump to ask China to investigate a political opponent https://t.co/WneObH9ktI— Steven Dennis (@StevenTDennis) October 5, 2019

  67. 67.

    HumboldtBlue

    @zhena gogolia:

    Thank you, that’s very kind.

    I bet Athena and Mandy would agree, I got to dogsit that duo today and it just dawned on me I took no photos so you’ll have to take my word when I say they are two of the most beautiful dogs around.

  69. 69.

    Ruckus

    @rikyrah:
    I’m kinda going with the idea that trump is president and that is something they never expected and he’s a bumbling asshole who will, well he can’t throw anyone under the bus, can’t drive the bus, doesn’t have the money to hire the bus, so what actual power does he hold over them? He won. He may/probably did cheat, but they are OK with that, but he is the one in the power seat. And they aren’t. Being who they are, the boss is always right, even if he’s firing you, having you killed or destroying your future.

  71. 71.

    Roger Moore

    @Jeffro:

    This is snark/channeling the preznit, I hope?

    Yes, I’m translating what Trump means. You and I know it’s not the Democrats’ fault that none of their legislation has passed, but Trump is hoping his followers don’t.

  72. 72.

    Duane

    @Jim Parish: Yeah nobody but Trumpov is responsible for the Ukranian phone calls. The lying weasel is loosing it. He may end up in handcuffs, but a straitjacket is increasingly likely.

  73. 73.

    J R in WV

    @Ken:

    …who was the Trump spokesman a couple of years back who came right out and said “those facts are no longer operative”…

    Pretty sure that was Nixon’s people during the investigation leading up to his resignation. I didn’t even know Presidents were allowed to resign before that !!!

  77. 77.

    Ohio Mom

    @NotMax: Yick!(searches memory about what I have drunk on airplanes).

    @HumboldtBlue: Oh dear. Ohio Dad was laid off at the end of May, found and started a new job after Labor Day. Those were a very long four months. So I definitely feel for you and wish you lots of luck. Keep us pusted

    @TS (the original): I saw that mentioned in an earlier thread. Enraging.

  78. 78.

    cain

    @mrmoshpotato:

    @cain: But not inappropriate enough to vote for Dump’s removal when the Senate has to vote.

    She doesn’t even ack that a crime was committed. It’s just a big mistake.. but still gonna vote for him. Can’t wait to kick this woman out of Maine and she can go and be a lobbyist or something.

  79. 79.

    lamh36

    To believe this story, you’d have to convince me that Rick Perry is soe criminal mastermind. I lived in Texas when he was Governor…and I’m sorry, but you can’t convince me that Rick Perry ain’t dumber than a rock on a log.

    Rick Perry…mastermind…??

  82. 82.

    Jay

    NEW: President Trump, distracted by the impeachment drama, “didn’t care” and “showed no interest” when aides detailed North Korea’s new efforts to develop missiles this week, officials tell TIME, and decided talks with North Korea should continue anyway https://t.co/iQlPlZA7FN— Vera Bergengruen (@VeraMBergen) October 4, 2019

  84. 84.

    J R in WV

    Have attempted to deal with an upper level manager who was some kind of nuts. I watched as he attacked one of my friends and team members, who eventually said, “I have to go now”… Then Ken asked me why I didn’t help him dump on my friend and co-worker… say whut???

    So then I said, Well, Ken, I gotta go now also…

    Not a psychologist, so not sure what the pathology was. He acted like a really nice guy until it was time for you to get stabbed in the back. Was never alone in a room with him after that afternoon.

  86. 86.

    chris

    @lamh36: I believe Juanita Jean herownself called Perry “dumber than bean dip.” And Molly Ivins had more than a few words on the subject.

  89. 89.

    noncarborundum

    @J R in WV: Ron Ziegler, to be specific.

    During his career as US President Richard Nixon’s press secretary, Ron Ziegler, who has died after a heart attack aged 63, delivered thousands of White House statements. But the only one that reverberates down the years came on April 17 1973, and consisted of two short sentences: “This is the operative statement. The others are inoperative.”

  93. 93.

    Ruckus

    @J R in WV:
    Left my last job because my boss was trying to use me as a virtual chew toy. When I gave the CEO my 2 week, he had no idea of what was going on. So I told him. In detail.

  98. 98.

    jl

    Don’t have time to do more than glance through the the thread., but can’t resist mentioning that besides all the other mountains of evidence Perry is not a mastermind of any kind, he thought the Dept of Energy was some kind of international marketing board. Kind of like the California Almond Growers Association of the US energy industry.

    I have no clue what Perry’s stance on Trump’s electioneering crime spree was or is, but the idea he was a mastermind is doubtful, to understate it.

    Another angle to this latest bit of toxic nonsense is that it shows Trump has about maxed out on the room for him to fail upward, even though ‘up’ at this point only means continued ability to destroy whatever he has control over and win a second term. Trump gets by with simple ABC marketing trials gimmicks. He just rolls out A, see if it flies, then B, see if it’s better or bombs, then if A isn’t flying high enough, roll out C for a spin.

    That works when you are moving from one swindle to the next, you can bury the evidence in NDAs and court settlements. Don’t work so good when people are taking notes on what you said an hour ago, yesterday, last week, etc. Especially when the ABC turns into A, not A, A and not A, etc.

    Hey, I thought it was a perfect call? Hey, I thought there wasn’t anything wrong with what you were doing because you put it all out in the open and shouted in from the WH lawn, and dragged half a dozen countries into your goofy insane conspiracy theories? Oh, it’s all a pile of dung, and Rick Perry’s fault? OK. Sure. That’s the ticket.

  99. 99.

    japa21

    I encourage everybody go to the FB page of Penzeys Spices. It is probably the longest post Bill Penzey has ever made. And he isn’t even trying to sell something this time. A few short excerpts:

    At last, a flat-out good seven days for America. This week the curtain was finally pulled back on how deeply un-American the Republican Party has become. This week made clear the Republican Party’s been hijacked by the one-two combo of unlimited political spending and foreign forces seeking to end the very concept of government of, by and for the people. From just the White House-released summary, the Ukraine scandal is a mandatory open and shut case for the impeachment, but it is also so much more.

    From a distance it can be easy to see the forces behind what the Republican Party has become as attacking America’s liberal traditions, but it isn’t that at all. Just the opposite really. …Truth be told, what the Republican Party has become is entirely an attack on our country’s conservative values. Look at this president; what is conservative about him? Nothing. Nothing at all. And it’s his party now.

    In this moment, we live at the heart of the struggle to defend American values both liberal and conservative. We don’t know what is coming next or even how we got here… at some point future historians will have to come up with a consensus of how the values of the Republican Party were rewritten. My take is that it is the propaganda of the media of the right that will take the blame.

    You may not have been paying much attention this week, but the short version is the end is very near for this terrible turn the Republican Party has taken. The president’s Ukraine scandal is the big one. I get that it can be hard to believe any scandal will stick, but this one is different. This one is going to show you, from its very beginning, our nation has been built up from its bedrock to be ready for any political party that would crown their leader king. America is something special. Looks like now everybody’s going to have a front row seat for seeing why.

    There’s more. Go and read.

  100. 100.

    Jay

    "Child actors" are western phenomenon in which audiences laugh as vulnerable children are stripped of riches by hucksters, grifters, parents, and lawyers posing as entertainment agents, then dismissed as adult drunkards, addicts, and pornography stars. pic.twitter.com/7LBWz5bQf4— DPRK News Service (@DPRK_News) October 2, 2019

  103. 103.

    Aleta

    And WHY did they think they could rely on him to protect them. Or that they’d get away with it.

  106. 106.

    mrmoshpotato

    @japa21:

    We don’t know what is coming next or even how we got here…

    Oh Bill. Take an honest look at the Republican party over the past 40 years. Hell, if you want to save some time, starting with Blowjobgate in 1998 and going up to the present should tell you why we’re here.

  111. 111.

    NotMax

    FYI.

    Less than two weeks ahead of the Pixel 4 flagship smartphone’s debut, Google is temporarily pulling the plug on a controversial “field research” program that offered subjects in US cities a $5 gift certificate in exchange for a scan of their face — after a New York Daily News report that one Google contracting agency was actively targeting homeless people in Atlanta and tricking unwitting college students into participating by pretending they would merely be testing a new app.
    [snip]
    Google isn’t necessarily suspending the program for good. It says it’s just halted it while the company investigates, and will keep paying contractors in the meanwhile. Source

  113. 113.

    TS (the original)

    @cain:

    Susan Collins is full of fiery outrage

    Is that a step up from “concerned” – still won’t save her at the election.

  115. 115.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Jeffro:

    support of an obviously corrupt leader.

    I have known actual leaders. I have been an actual leader. Donald Trump has never, ever, been a leader.

  117. 117.

    Dev Null

    @TS (the original): Can’t remember who I crossed swords with yesterday v-a-v Senator Susan “O’Kavanaugh” Collins getting a free vote to convict Trump (cain? cato? abel? Able was I, ere I saw Cain?), but I’m a day away from conceding the bet …

    … just as soon as Trump gives her the Mittens treatment (“impeach the pompous old fool” [1]) … as all of her votes will then be freestyle.

    And she’ll be in even more of a world of hurt: universally despised by Trumpaloos, Dems and indies.

    And Oxford commas.

    Remember the Oxford Comma!

    [1] Stopped clocks, and all that. Even if senators can’t be impeached.

  118. 118.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @mrmoshpotato: Donald Trump is the logical result of the direction the GOP has been going since 1964, when opposition to civil rights for the blacks disguised itself as “conservative principle.”

  121. 121.

    Aleta

    I missed this last night—the Post
    Trump’s calls with foreign leaders have long worried aides, leaving some ‘genuinely horrified’

    “There was a constant undercurrent in the Trump administration of [senior staff] who were genuinely horrified by the things they saw that were happening on these calls,” said one former White House official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the private conversations. “Phone calls that were embarrassing, huge mistakes he made, months and months of work that were upended by one impulsive tweet.”

    The efforts to save themselves are going to cause flu-like sympoms.

  124. 124.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Aleta: These vile people knew who and what he was when they signed up for the gig in his White House.

    They’re going down with the ship, there is no escape. They are all damned.

  126. 126.

    Dev Null

    @Aleta: With all due respect to people with a more direct connection to the Armed Forces than I ever had – and consequently aren’t concerned at all – that report left me feeling a lot better about the downstream consequences of Trump trying to mount a coup after he’s impeached and/or loses the 2020 election.

    Unless the outcome is that we’re all dead, of course.

    “Is my strategery sound?”

    “I don’t see any strategery at all, sir…”

  128. 128.

    NotMax

    @Aleta

    “The hero of the epic is at once sciolist and simpleton, knowing many things, but knowing them all badly.”
      – The Book of The Thousand Nights And A Night

    (Good word, sciolist, which doesn’t deserve to be mired in obscurity.)

  129. 129.

    Mike in NC

    Suspect there will soon be dozens of transcripts of Fat Bastard having totally illegal conversations with foreign governments like Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Saudi Arabia, etc. “All of them, Katie!”

  130. 130.

    Jay

    On this day in 1936, Oswald Mosley and the British Union of Fascists were blocked from marching through the streets of East London by the Jewish community and its allies.Today we commemorate The Battle of Cable Street and remember all those who stood in the way of fascism. pic.twitter.com/erVz0JnaJX— HOPE not hate (@hopenothate) October 4, 2019

  132. 132.

    Mai naem mobile

    Orange Lump is going to go through the whole cabinet. Ben Carson, Betsy Devos, the DHS twit, Azar, Munchkin, the VA guy. I hope Munchkin goes down hard. I don’t even know who else is in the cabinet anymore but Mrs.Mitch McConnell and Wilbur Ross will probably the last ones standing because Wilbur probably.has something on him via Putin and Mitch obviously he thinks will fry his ass if he tries to fry Elaine’s ass first.
    Seriously though I also think FOX and the GOPigs will use Perry’s past as a Democrat in this even though it was 30 years ago. Rick was Al Gore’s Texas chair in ’88. You literally cannot make the Trumpov tale up.

  134. 134.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    They’re going down with the ship, there is no escape. They are all damned.

    Oh, they’ll try to escape. We’ll see a Tea Party 2.0. Donald who? It’s why the hashtag #burnthelifeboats exists.

  135. 135.

    Mai naem mobile

    @Aleta: but they didn’t do anything about them because they were getting their tax cuts, the deregulation and their judges. Fuck these bastards. Fuck them. They should be ostracized in society. Even their money should not get them into the right places. Beyond getting necessary medical care these fuckers should be isolated. They sold.this country oit.for a few bucks that don’t even make a difference.i. their lifestyle.

  136. 136.

    Jay

    Tiny has committed dozens of assaults on community members, was finally picked up for jumping a random person on the side of the road. He then fled the state for months, his bail is lower than beta cuck, who protected people against a hammer wielding nazi https://t.co/f3TNjWvrIR— ↙️↙️↙️?❤️?? (@egoldmanrevolt) October 5, 2019

  140. 140.

    Ken

    @mrmoshpotato: I don’t think Trump has Alexa, but I’m sure there’s someone listening to all of his phone calls on his unsecured phones. Several someones.

  141. 141.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Ken: “Hi everyone! Totally not pulling a massively illegal hyper-Nixon here! Everything’s totally legal and totally cool! I asked my Daddy Vladdy. By the way, can any of you get dirt on all the Democratic candidates?”

  142. 142.

    randy khan

    I mean, leaving aside that it doesn’t matter if Perry told him to shake down the Ukrainians for personal political advantage, since any rational person would have known not to do it, it’s just hard for me to imagine Perry coming up with something like that.

  143. 143.

    Ruckus

    @lamh36:
    They didn’t want to hire anyone higher up the food chain than themselves? Or at least anyone with any pretension of being higher up.

  145. 145.

    Steeplejack

    @Jeffro:

    I have been following the saga of your ongoing debate with your wingnut brother and father(-in-law?). I hope you will report back on their reactions to (and excuses for) this Trumpian shitstorm that is going down.

    It’s developing so fast that I don’t think the wingnuts can keep their talking points straight. My own RWNJ brother has gone quiet except for one anti-Schiff and -Pelosi graphic that is so generic it could have been splooged out any time in the last year. “New hoax. Same swamp.”

  147. 147.

    Jay

    Twitter has accepted nearly $1 million in ad spending from the anti-immigrant hate group FAIR, which was founded by a white nationalist. Twitter’s TOS prohibit hate groups from promoting posts, but apparently that doesn’t apply if you have enough cash. https://t.co/VnXzgsbOzd— Caroline Orr (@RVAwonk) October 4, 2019

  148. 148.

    Jeffro

    @Steeplejack: They can’t keep up with it and they certainly can’t process it, even though I noted at the start (over 3 years ago!) that they would just keep spiraling down with their excuses and finding themselves in a place they never would have imagined even 6 months beforehand.

    (Which is why I keep pinging them with “remember 36…30…24…18…12…even 6 months ago?” kind of stuff. I’m mean that way. But the truth is the truth, even if it hurts) It floors me that RWNJ bro has the same head-in-the-sand, ‘meh’ approach to everything that trumpov has led the GOP into. As if it really isn’t a big deal to the party or country (in that order).

    That NYT “accommodation” op-ed I mentioned earlier might have sunk in a bit but I’ve been stupidly optimistic before. We’ll see how it goes…

  149. 149.

    lgerard

    The other day one of my coworkers brought up trump’s tantrum with Denmark that resulted in his canceling a visit. I had completely forgotten about that.

    It was only 6 weeks ago

    It is almost impossible to continually process this tragedy

  150. 150.

    Marcopolo

    I just read there are no White House staffers or members of the House or Senate GOP leadership booked for the Sunday shows tomorrow—and not for the lack of trying according to the report.

    They got nuthin.

    Call your congressional reps (202-224-3122) and if they are R’s ask them if they support Whistleblowers; ask them if they support fair elections w/out outside foreign gov’t involvement; ask them if they support the democracy protesters in Hong Kong unlike the Prez. Put them on the hot seat like the woman in IA when she questioned Ernst in a town hall.

  151. 151.

    jl

    @Marcopolo: Maybe they will be busy trying to talk their staffers from running to Congress to keep themselves out of jail first thing Monday morning.

    I don’t know if this hilarious and disgusting display is a new thing under the sun or not. I don’t remember seeing a heist flick where, in the middle of the caper, the boss proves himself so stupid and incompetent, and is so loathed by everyone, that the real drama is which of the flunkies runs to the cops and gets the best deal to stay out of jail. Is there a movie or a a play or novel like that? Or historical precedent?

    I was worried about the WH stonewall policy working. But if all the flunkies are going to run to the fuzz to stay out of jail and keep their fines to a minimum, then the WH stonewall is disintegrating right before our eyes.

  152. 152.

    Marcopolo

    @jl: I’d say the idea of the existence of a competent White House stonewall is about as likely as the existence & efficacy of Trump’s Mexico border wall.

  153. 153.

    burnspbesq

    @balconesfault:

    deep roots with the big donors here.

    Someone will create a bullshit nonprofit to fund a bullshit institute at A&M that will overpay him to teach badly and be a worse thesis advisor. New frontiers in Wingnut Welfare.

  154. 154.

    Mnemosyne

    @lamh36:

    That’s what’s so scary — by recent accounts, Perry was the only one of Chump’s cabinet appointees to realize that he was in over his head and asked his staff for advice on what to do.

    He’s as dumb as a rock and he’s STILL smarter than the rest of them, which is scary as hell.

  155. 155.

    cain

    @Marcopolo:
    That’s good because it should be filled with Dems talking about impeachment. No one needs to know what those fuckers excuses are this week. They can’t say shit because the story keeps changing and they look like fools later.

  156. 156.

    cain

    @Jay:
    We need to find an alternative place to hang out that doesn’t encourage nazis and white supremacists.

  157. 157.

    cain

    @Mai naem mobile:

    Orange Lump is going to go through the whole cabinet. Ben Carson, Betsy Devos, the DHS twit, Azar, Munchkin, the VA guy. I hope Munchkin goes down hard. I don’t even know who else is in the cabinet anymore but Mrs.Mitch McConnell and Wilbur Ross will probably the last ones standing because Wilbur probably.has something on him via Putin and Mitch obviously he thinks will fry his ass if he tries to fry Elaine’s ass first.

    The best though if he does attack Elaine. That would be epic. There will be some crazy shit going down with Elaine’s father as well if Trump insults her. Watching McConnell being put in such an uncomfortable position would be pretty awesome.

  160. 160.

    joel hanes

    @lamh36:

    what did folks see in him?

    A white man with “rugged good looks”
    And good hair.
    Those were his entire qualifications.
    That’s why Molly Ivins dubbed him “Governor Goodhair”

    Withal, he’s smarter and has more integrity than Pence

  161. 161.

    jl

    @cain: Ross laundered Trump and Russian money for years at the Bank of Cyprus. Ross can do whatever he wants. Sleep through meetings,commit serial perjury in front of Congress and in courts, have pretty much anyone who has every done business with him or worked for him drag him through lawsuits for fraud and other torts that end up in secret hushed up settlements. Trump has to keep him and say he is doing a great, tippy top, job.

    If Trump gets down to throwing Ross under the bus, the Trumpergotterung, and Trumpnarok, has arrived. Everything will burn down and sink into the cold North Sea, or whatever happens in that thing, I forget. If we’re lucky, we’ll just get to watch it. If not, we’ll be the extras in the disaster.

  164. 164.

    trnc

    @Mai naem mobile:

    Orange Lump is going to go through the whole cabinet. Ben Carson, Betsy Devos, the DHS twit, Azar, Munchkin, the VA guy.

    It seems like all of these scumbags would have attorneys screaming “SAVE YOURSELF!!!” in their ears right now, but a couple of them are so stupid I don’t know if they’ll listen. I mean, DeVos, really – what can you say about someone in charge of a large loan operation who thinks a loan is a liability for the lender?

    One thing that occurs to me is that some cabinet members may not actually be participating in the actual criminal acts. Sure, scrapping the Obama student finance rules to screw over college students and their families was a dick move, but it wasn’t illegal. Cuck Mnuchin may be the only one of that crowd who has actually participated in a major crime.

  165. 165.

    Chris Johnson

    @jl: But the thing is, as a sociopathic narcissist, Trump is not capable of understanding that. The threat is not real to him, only ego threats (like ‘is Ross really loyal to me and will do what I want?) are real to him. It’s all emotional so to him the threat of Wilbur Ross is exactly the same as the threat of Ben Carson: he’s not capable of realistic threat assessment.

    This could get interesting.

  166. 166.

    Chris Johnson

    @trnc:

    Cuck Mnuchin

    Stop saying 4chan grade crap. It has long annoyed me that the alt-right are normalizing language that makes women out to be, not people, but herd animals to be possessed, and shames the shit out of males who won’t play along. I don’t like that language or what it stands for, and it comes off really weird here at Balloon Juice, which is mostly not full of alt-righters.

    If you don’t get that, consider this: it’s a tell, about where you usually get your information.

  167. 167.

    trnc

    @Chris Johnson:

    Stop saying 4chan grade crap. It has long annoyed me that the alt-right are normalizing language that makes women out to be, not people, but herd animals to be possessed, and shames the shit out of males who won’t play along. I don’t like that language or what it stands for, and it comes off really weird here at Balloon Juice, which is mostly not full of alt-righters.

    If you don’t get that, consider this: it’s a tell, about where you usually get your information.

    Interesting. I’ve never been to 4chan, yet you apparently know that’s where it originates. I picked it up from either here or TPM, and I don’t think the people who have said it are misogynists. I thought it meant a guy who knows his wife or girlfriend is cheating on him but is in no position, for various reasons, to do anything about it. I never considered it to be an implication that his wife or girlfriend is property. Unfaithful, yes, but not property.

    I think anyone familiar with my posts here or on TPM would know I’m not a misogynist. Maybe in the future, if you see someone using a word you don’t like but aren’t otherwise familiar with that person’s beliefs, a gentle correction would be more appropriate than the kind of accusation you made.

    Anyway, if it is indeed considered by most to be a misogynistic term, I’m happy to stop using it.

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