Trump’s latest lash out is to dump the Kurds and let the Turks invade northern Syria.
Quick, to the batphone:
Speaking with @foxandfriends in just a few minutes.
— Lindsey Graham (@LindseyGrahamSC) October 7, 2019
Another move that helps Putin, advances Trump’s business interests (Trump Towers in Istanbul), and gives everybody else the signal that he’s gonna go ham if he gets impeached.
Update: Looks like Butters is issuing some strongly worded tweets:
I don’t know all the details regarding President Trump’s decision in northern Syria. In process of setting up phone call with Secretary Pompeo.
If press reports are accurate this is a disaster in the making.
— Lindsey Graham (@LindseyGrahamSC) October 7, 2019
Also, if this plan goes forward will introduce Senate resolution opposing and asking for reversal of this decision. Expect it will receive strong bipartisan support.
— Lindsey Graham (@LindseyGrahamSC) October 7, 2019
Phein60
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Marmot
Hey—what’s “ham”? Slow this morning.
Betty Cracker
According to Jim Sciutto (CNN natsec reporter) on Twitter, Graham is actually nutting up during the Fox appearance:
Huh.
biff murphy
Speaking with @foxandfriends in just a few minutes…
Fuck You Blanche
Spanky
Eh? What’s “ham”, Precious?
[Individual 1] mistermix
Go Ham:
1. To lose one’s mind completely, generally with a violent or surprising effect on those around the individual who is going crazy.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=go%20ham
Spanky
@Betty Cracker: He’d better resolve real quick. Not that it has any teeth.
Dorothy A. Winsor
I googled and got the Urban Dictionary:
ETA: Oops. Too slow!
Zzyzx
Jesus. Not even Graham can defend this?
oldster
“go ham”?
“nutting up”?
Are the front-pagers all speaking some weird dialect?
And I hope that “nutting up” is not some expression for manifesting courage, based on male genitalia. Because I am really sick of slang that presupposes that courage requires male genitalia. It’s false, and it’s reactionary. If you have learned not to use the n-word, then you can learn to avoid idioms that support the patriarchy.
Matt McIrvin
@Betty Cracker: Start the clock now. What’s the over/under on how soon Graham does a complete 180 and announces he hated the Kurds all along?
Betty Cracker
Clip of Graham phoning it in on F&F:
He’s okay with Trump subverting US foreign policy to sandbag his dear friend Joe Biden, but Graham is unnerved by the reversal on Syria? I don’t get it. Is there a munitions factory in South Carolina?
[Individual 1] mistermix
@Betty Cracker: Yeah, I threw a couple of his new tweets into the post. Is it wrong that I envision Violet Beauregard stomping her feet in the chocolate factory when I read them?
Ten Bears
Is Huckleberry ditching drumpf uck?
[Individual 1] mistermix
@oldster:
I prefer “ova up” myself.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Ten Bears: Since I don’t understand why Graham supports Trump in the first place, I can’t presume to guess if he’ll stop doing that.
These days I frequently feel that I’ve lost any ability to understand what people are doing. It’s all crazyland.
Betty Cracker
@Dorothy A. Winsor: I completely understand why Graham supports Trump — it’s the only way to keep his job — but I’m puzzled by his loud opposition on this issue since he’s willing to throw every other alleged principle overboard to coddle Trump. He’s 100% cynical and self-interested, so there must be an angle…
chopper
@Ten Bears:
naw, he’ll offer up a senate resolution which has no real power, trump will ignore it, and graham will fold and start grovelling again and go back to full-on toady.
TS (the original)
Slightly off topic – Wapo has an article about Wilmer proposing new things while convalescing. There really is one rule for old white guys and one for everyone else – do they want him to run & die in the process or do they assume men are much better than women at quickly recovering from an illness?
oldster
@[Individual 1] mistermix:
“grow a spine” seems perfectly adequate, and vivid.
It may insult a few octopi, but I’ll apologise to them separately.
sdhays
@[Individual 1] mistermix: Do you mean Veruca Salt?
Jeffro
@Betty Cracker: Graham is an idiot to think that trumpov is the boss of trumpov.
PUTIN is the boss of trumpov, Lindsey baby. Once you really realize that, everything else makes sense.
Kay
@TS (the original):
I think he’s killing himself. I have to say though, I feel like I know the “type” and I bet Sanders has always resisted the idea he could get sick. He’s impatient with it- it gets in the way of what he wants to do. I think Clinton was probably the same way, hence her decision to go to that memorial when she was sick as a dog.
Unfortunately it’s a fact and his body needs what it needs and will get what it needs no matter what he says.
Jeffro
@sdhays: Bummer. I was hoping that link would take me to a band video and not the movie ;)
Kay
Bad hires always get worse, never better. Mediocre hires can improve. Bad hires can’t. That’s why you get rid of them quickly. If they could get better they wouldn’t be bad hires.
Trump never should have made it past the 90 day temp-to-permanent process. He gets worse every month.
Fair Economist
@TS (the original): Proposals are done by staff. Sanders is just directing and greenlighting them. This was probably in the works before Sanders’ heart attack.
Jeffro
Judging by last night’s and this morning’s (currently ongoing) panic-tweets, I’d say trumpov is on track to call for his “Second Amendment people” by the end of the week.
In no particular order, he has:
– said that Ron Johnson made Chuck Todd look like a fool
– said that the $28B (and counting) farmer bailout due to his trade wars has been paid by China paying tariffs
– said that he’d like to see another whistleblower “come off the bench” (ok tough guy)
– said that Schiff and Pelosi are guilty of treason
– said that hanging the Kurds out to dry is a good thing for us and that we’ll fight ISIS “if they get anywhere near us”
Happy Infrastructure Week, everyone!
Jeffro
@Kay: We might want to consider instituting that 90-day thing for new presidents, Kay. Well, for Republican presidents at least.
Kay
Look what all the boot-licking got GOP Senators. Trump didn’t even bother to brief them. He has absolute contempt for people who don’t stand up to him, and he should.
He knows better than anyone that they’re a joke. He relies on it.
Kay
@Jeffro:
Well, either that or we could get some timely and actionable information from our billion dollar political media apparatus instead of 16 months spent promoting their emails scoop.
It’s both wildly expensive and very bad.
Dorothy A. Winsor
dmsilev
Daddy’s going to have another Twitter meltdown today:
(that’s the complete story. This Just In)
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@Betty Cracker: Stating the obvious that we all know, but his Senate allies don’t act any more in the public interest than T does. So this may be the sign that there is a team of Trump-underbus-throwers we’ve been waiting for.
Polls in red states must be REALLY bad.
[Individual 1] mistermix
@sdhays: Veruca works, but I meant Violet. She’s a little more pure id than Veruca.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@dmsilev: Is this the case that DOJ decided to step into? What did they end up doing?
Kay
@dmsilev:
Those tax returns must be an absolute goldmine. Barr (The Hack) put forth this ridiculous, embarrassing argument that no one may even investigate his client. No prosecutor may even investigate Donald Trump. That’s the government’s position. They now work full time on obstruction, right out in the open.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@dmsilev: Jinx!
Elizabelle
@dmsilev:
A bold argument? Callous, maybe…
Kay
Another wilting potted plant timidly speaks:
They have contempt for you, Marco! They don’t even bother to brief GOP Senators anymore, because you don’t matter.
hueyplong
Looks like someone’s gonna get taken to the golf course.*
* Formerly referred to as “the wood shed.”
Kay
@Elizabelle:
Where’s our globe-trotting AG? Shouldn’t he be hustling in there to protect his client, the President?
I don’t mind that they no longer even pretend to do their crime-fighting jobs but I have to draw the line at paying for Trump campaign work overseas.
dmsilev
The Post has some more detail up. The judge was Not Amused:
Kay
@Elizabelle:
I think it’s fitting. NY gave him a pass for 50 years which is how we got stuck with him. It’s about time they acted. Clean up your mess.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: Ah. I gather from the discussion that DOJ already stepped in, and that the “Constitution specifically exempts anyone Republican from the laws of any state” argument was theirs.
Somehow I had the impression that they were going to have the effect of delaying this case for weeks more. So color me pleasantly surprised that the case moved forward.
Kay
@dmsilev:
“Unorthodox”. The US Department of Justice is actively working with Donald Trump to obstruct justice and we’re all paying them for this “work”. They should all be ashamed, all of them, individually. Not one of them stood up to him. The IRS has more courage and ethical grounding than some of the fanciest lawyers in the country.
Marcopolo
(Reposting from old thread below)
Good morning folks.
Am at a currently empty house w/ the thermostat off waiting for both the furnace guy & a locksmith to come & do a rekey. I am taking wagers on when in the 4 hour 8-12 window these folks will show.
Also, a reminder—all of us have a role to play in pressuring R Reps & Sens (and thanking our D folks) regarding supporting impeachment. Here’s the # for the congressional switchboard: 202-224-3121
You know what to do. I plan to start my Monday call by asking both Blunt & Hawley why they never hold open admission public town halls. Then whether they support Whistleblowers. The our abandoning our Kurdish allies.
We are pebbles hear us roar!
Have a lovely day.
Great news on the tax returns—assume it will be appealed now.
Betty Cracker
@Kay: Trump is blindsiding the only people who stand between himself and removal from office. Not that I think there’s any possibility that will happen, since elected Republicans fear primary opponents more than constituents, but if by some miracle any Republican senators vote to convict Trump after the House impeaches him, it will be because Trump is an asshole who treats them with contempt rather than courage that motivates them.
SFAW
I’m sure Graham will get Collins to co-sponsor his “We Are Furrowing Our Brows EVEN MORE Deeply” resolution.
CliosFanboy
@Spanky: I’m sure Sen Graham is an expert on being careful to to use his teeth.
rikyrah
Business associates of Rudy Giuliani sought to leverage U.S. government influence to replace the CEO of Ukraine’s state-owned natural gas company to profit from fuel sales to the war-torn country. The meeting “wasn’t a shakedown,” their lawyer says. https://t.co/b5RKFGKQzb
— The Associated Press (@AP) October 6, 2019
CliosFanboy
@Marcopolo: I’ll take 11:45 am
Gin & Tonic
@dmsilev:
You know, I have this feeling he might actually be telling the truth this time.
rikyrah
So upset about the Kurd situation.
I knew that our luck would run out. I knew that we would wind up in this kind of situation.
JPL
@Kay: Having the president to ask China to investigate is just a joke. Marco and Lindsay don’t have the moral fiber to stand up to the bully in chief for long. Let’s see what they say by the end of the day.
TS (the original)
@Fair Economist: I am simply astounded that the media is reporting these ideas and NOT talking about how ill Wilmer is/was. Wait until it is Biden or Warren – then we will get – he/she should withdraw.
Marcopolo
@[Individual 1] mistermix: Well, I think if you are going to use the term nutting up it should refer to something like squirrels sequestering acorns such as:
Bill: Wow, the squirrels are busy today.
Hank: Yep, they are nutting up for winter.
But then I am more a “grow a spine” person myself when it comes to doing “courageous acts.”
Lapassionara
@Marcopolo: Even if appealed, the accounting firm should go ahead and produce unless the district judge or appellate court enters a stay. Or unless the party requesting agrees that the document production can await appeal. I’ve seen the House attorneys make those kinds of agreements in the past. Wimps! Get those returns!
Jeffro
Ah…I see Colin Powell has finally weighed in…all will be well now, America
Marcopolo
@JPL: I’m curious, has anyone here seen any reporting vis a vis the Trump China Biden ask that talks about how Xie (sp?) consolidated power in China by ginning up fake corruption scandals against his political opponents?
I’ve seen Rachel Maddow touch on how “corruption” is a go to playbook for autocrats to consolidate power & control (Ukraine, Brazil, Philippines, Turkey, etc…), but really no other major media presences.
Kay
@JPL:
Does anyone have ANY DOUBT the China trade negotiations were ABOUT Trump and the corrupt crew? The Ukraine thing wasn’t even solely about their conspiracy theory! They were all planning on making a ton of money. Surprise, surprise.
I mean, seriously. At this point it’s delusional to pretend these people are in any way working on behalf of the public. The assumption should be every one of his foreign contacts is self-interested and I don’t even give them credit for “believing’ conspiracy theories. It’s about money! They’re corrupt, sleazy people who saw an opportunity for a once in a lifetime pay day.
There’s a payday for them in this thing too. They traded those Kurds for something.
MattF
@Betty Cracker: Trump will betray anyone that Vlad wants him to betray. Maybe Lindsey is getting an inkling of that.
Gin & Tonic
@Marcopolo: I am not familiar with the other countries you mention, but in Ukraine, corruption is a real issue that really resonates with the public, and led to the results of the Presidential and parliamentary elections earlier this year. Zelensky may be inexperienced, and may turn out to be not as anti-corruption as he ran on (viz. his relationship with Kolomoisky) but in the Verkhovna Rada (parliament) nearly 80% of the incumbents were tossed out. The coming-of-age of the generation born post-independence is really changing politics there.
The sad irony is that Giuliani and Trump are sucking it back to the old ways, and showing Ukrainians that the US is as venal and corrupt as Russia is.
Marcopolo
@[Individual 1] mistermix: I learn such wonderful new terms every day. Yesterday it was the term “toe rag (filthy piece of)” which an older British woman called Boris Johnson when asked to comment on him: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2019/oct/06/filthy-piece-of-toerag-boris-johnson-constituent-speaks-her-mind-video
Etymology of the term: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.spectator.co.uk/2014/07/dot-wordsworth-origins-of-the-toe-rag/amp/
Amir Khalid
@Gin & Tonic:
Given the likely nature of the harm he would suffer, is it safe to guess that you aren’t terribly sympathetic to his argument?
Chief Oshkosh
@oldster: Relax, Francis. “Nutting up” means to totally screw up, usually resulting in damage to the process and to associated humans.
rikyrah
@Elizabelle:
It’s about to go down…
BWA HA HA AH AH AHA HA
sdhays
@dmsilev: I especially liked this:
rikyrah
@Kay:
Yep.
1. follow the money
2. where’s the phone call transcript.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Gin & Tonic:
Isn’t this more accurate? The GOP isn’t the entire US; they’re barely a third of it, but have oversized control thanks to the regressive structures of government
Gin & Tonic
@Amir Khalid: @??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: Not in Ukraine it isn’t.
Elizabelle
@rikyrah: Good morning there.
Amazing it’s taken this long. And sure to take a bit longer. And tomorrow the opening term of Supreme Court, which can no longer be seen as nonpartisan.
Gin & Tonic
@Amir Khalid: I’m looking for my violin, but keep misplacing it due to its size.
Marcopolo
@Gin & Tonic: Part of the Manafort story is he did political work in the Ukraine (apologies in advance for spelling) for Victor Yannukovich, a Putin puppet who the Russians helped to get elected because they were worried Ukraine was moving towards W. Europe & away from Russia politically. Manafort & Yannakovich ginned up a corruption scandal against the woman who ran against him (she ran on an anti-corruption platform that was literally flipped on its head against her) and was more W European focused.
Anyways, Manafort was paid millions of dollars under the table for this work & avoiding taxes on that is one of the reasons he’s currently in jail.
MisterForkbeard
@sdhays: And yet weirdly the ‘independent’ DOJ agreed with Trump. I wonder why that is?
mad citizen
Colin Powell, what a waste.
A hypothetical came to me yesterday: What if our nation was at war, say with Russia or a more consequential nation? Would the Reupblicans (and all of us) be putting up with the sheer incompetence, craziness and corruption coming from the White House? Why should the standard be lower in peacetime?
PaulWartenberg
is trump intentionally burning his bridges with Lindsey? Graham now has a huge opening to get the hell out of ass-kissing the Eternal Shitgibbon regarding the Ukraine whistleblowers
Gin & Tonic
@Marcopolo: Um, I’m pretty familiar with Ukrainian politics.
As I’ve said numerous times here and elsewhere, Paul Fucking Manafort is a bloodsucking mercenary with the scruples of the proverbial scorpion. He will go wherever he is paid – look at his history in Africa and Asia. He worked for Yanukovich because his party held out a big bag of dollars – it’s as simple as that.
That said, Maddow’s story lionizing Yulia Tymoshenko was nauseating. Yulia is as pure as the driven soot.
Marcopolo
One hour of the four hour appointment window gone & no repair folks yet. Sigh. Anyone have an experience where they showed up right off the bat?
Only actually annoying because I am in a house that is totally empty except for one folding chair that I am sitting in :).
Brachiator
The 2019 Nobel Prize announcements are being made over the next few days. The 2019 Peace Prize will be announced on Friday.
Look for a Trump Twitter rant.
rikyrah
Because, of course…….
Freddie Mac Using Shady AI Company for Mortgage Loans
ZestFinance is implicated in high-cost payday lending and backed by Peter Thiel. It’s now working with a government-sponsored mortgage giant.
BY MAX MORAN
OCTOBER 7, 2019
Jeffro
@mad citizen: We are at war with Russia and have been for years now…it’s just not a traditional shooting war. So the answers to your other questions are ‘yes’ and ‘because they think it benefits them politically and/or financially, and/or because the Russians have a hold over them’
Judges and tax cuts, American…the GOP sold y’all out for judges and tax cuts.
rikyrah
@Brachiator:
I hope Greta wins it.
Just One More Canuck
@Brachiator: “And the Nobel Peace Prize for 2019 is awarded to Hillary Clinton”
rikyrah
@Jeffro:
Tell it. Over and over again.
For the bleachers.
MattF
@PaulWartenberg: I doubt that Trump is more than marginally aware of what Graham is saying. The only question is whether Graham will now be called a traitor who deserves to be shot. That would be amusing, but I actually don’t care.
Gin & Tonic
@Marcopolo: Well, the masons started putting up their staging at my house at 0730 today. I was still in my bathrobe.
Another Scott
@Brachiator: Donnie’s a shoe-in with Abe and all the rest of his friends putting in a good word for him.
Right?
After all, if The Kenyan can win it, how hard can it be??!! :-/
I suppose Greta has a good shot, but I haven’t really kept up with it. (Bill McKibben would seem to me to have done more for the cause over the years.)
Cheers,
Scott.
Elizabelle
@Marcopolo: Are you selling or buying or do-gooding? How come you to be in this empty house? (With access to an internet connection, at least?)
Another Scott
@MattF: Donnie’s got a 3 hour old 5-part rant on the Twitter machine about Syria this AM, if you’re interested.
Cheers,
Scott.
chopper
@Another Scott:
you mean “shoo-in”.
rikyrah
David Frum (@davidfrum) Tweeted:
Possible Trump motives
1) Protecting income flow from Trump Towers Istanbul
2) Payoff to Turkey to cover up recording of Khashoggi murder by Trump allies
3) Obeisance to Putin
4) Warning to House: if you impeach me, Ill burn every American alliance and interest before I go https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1181173686239465474?s=17
Jeffro
Jennifer Rubin has a nice piece up, “The GOP’s lame excuses”, which lists the six most common and also completely stupid excuses GOP officials are making for trumpov.
Bookmark it for future reference. It’ll save us all quite a bit of time if we, as she recommends, just yell out “that’s a #6!” Or “Nice try with that #3!”
Gonna be a loooong week…
Uncle Cosmo
@hueyplong: And somewhere along the way (say on the 4th green) the security detail will all be instructed to turn their backs, Mango Mussolini will appear to Graham Cracker in his manifestation as Cthulhu, & (after evacuating his bowels) Miz Linseed will crawl right back into line…
Marcopolo
@Elizabelle: House is bought. A fair amount of work to do before move in, however, including making it ADA compliant for my 86 year old mom. Then there is the lateral sewer line repair & new concrete ramp to the front door. Won’t be moving for a few months. Makes senses to keep the house empty until all the work (including painting) is done.
And the furnace people just called to say maybe 2 hours. Glad I brought a book and the Sunday NYT xword.
Getting off my phone now. Need to preserve the battery as I do not have a charger. PS no internet connection but I have an unlimited plan on my phone.
dexwood
@Marcopolo:
Six weeks ago I had a repair guy call me to ask if he could show up about an hour ahead of the scheduled window. I was stunned, but happily said yes. Hope they get there soon.
TS (the original)
@Marcopolo: I’ll vote for a phone call at 11.45 saying they are running late. I did have a computer guy arrive at 8.30 for an 8am appointment last week. I was first on the list – so he was running late all day.
Jeffro
@rikyrah: For #4, all the more reason to move even faster and not back down. He’ll only spiral even further down and unfortunately that’s what it’s going to take for GOP officials to wake up.
Richard Wesson
@oldster: “Huevos” is a term that can applied to male or female biology.
oldster
@Chief Oshkosh:
I see. So Betty was criticizing Graham’s comments about Trump, by saying that they were a major mistake that could harm important interests.
You really want to defend that reading, Chief?
MattF
@Another Scott: Thanks, but I stay away from Trump’s Twitter feed. Bad for my blood pressure.
Jeffro
Man Scaramucci just WENT OFF on trumpov…”Traitor Trump” and all(!)
patrick II
@Betty Cracker:
It will give him an excuse to jump ship as he sees the tide turning, not because of the “fake” Ukraine Traitorgate scandal in which he is already committed to backing Trump. But military patriotism gives him an out if he feels he has to take it. Plus, the military seems the one thing he non-ironically cares about.
MattF
@Jeffro: Also, Nikki Haley has left the reservation. A bit surprising.
Another Scott
@chopper: D’Oh!
I blame autocorrect. ;-)
Thanks.
Cheers,
Scott.
Kay
So true. I would expand (a) though to include the other low quality hires. “Trump or one or more of the low quality hires has business interests”
You don’t have to pick just one, though. It can be “all of the above!” In fact, every scandal has elements of all three. I’m partial to the “greed” explanation, though. I don’t think they believe in anything.
Immanentize
@Gin & Tonic: Those secret fraternal organizations need to get an early start to hide their power manipulations. Bathrobe…, sure.
jl
@Betty Cracker: Support of any and all military action by Graham is like a reflex. It means nothing. Graham’s initial reaction was 100 percent predictable. Will be interesting to see how he adjusts to Trump Thought. By current Trump standards, Graham’s statements were high treason, but will Trump extend his thinking on complete loyalty to his person beyond investigations into his extraordinarily corrupt administration?
Graham’s statements about the withdrawal have zero informational value about the wisdom of Trump’s sudden decision.
I’m curious too see how much attention the newly revealed Giuliani/Perry corrupt dash for cash wrt cutting themselves in on some graft from Ukrainian national gas company gets in the news. Will be interesting to see if Trump was in on the deal. Fact that Trump is trying to throw Perry under the bus may be sign that Trump was not.
rikyrah
Glen Greenwald joins forces with Trump, Pompeo & Giuliani to save his presidency & get Putin off the hook for 2016. Never ever ever use the word Liberal or Progressive to describe him … with words you’re looking for are #TrumpSupporter pic.twitter.com/ZBly5uGsTv
— Malcolm Nance (@MalcolmNance) October 6, 2019
Kay
Another sad addition to the long, long line of people who have been screwed by Donald Trump.
The Republicans in the US Senate could stop him, but they’re afraid of him. I will never understand why people work so hard to get these congressional seats only to chicken out when it comes time to use the power. What a waste.
catclub
@[Individual 1] mistermix:
Are we welcoming the alien ova lords?
jl
@Kay: Congressional GOP still afraid that they’ll lose their seats if they oppose Trump. So, they will do nothing, and cook up the most ridiculous rationalizations for Trump’s tragic and whimsical and corrupt actions.
PaulWartenberg
About trump’s tax returns info:
If I read the legal agreements correctly, DA Vance is scheduled to receive some if not all of the paperwork by 1 PM *today* regardless of the appeal (unless the appellate court sides entirely with trump’s lawyers).
I will keep my ears open at 1 PM to see if trump’s screams can be heard this distance
Gin & Tonic
@Kay:
Attention Goku: outside the US, the actions of the US are American actions, not Republican or Democratic actions.
catclub
@rikyrah:
I rate this as the least effective threat. Alliances can be rebuilt. They are not individual dependent.
trollhattan
@rikyrah:
He’ll do that no matter what. We can only control when, and how long he has to do it.
catclub
@PaulWartenberg: Interesting. Bloomberg has it as emergency stay of transferring documents from Mazars to AG of New York.
catclub
@Gin & Tonic: Inside of US, traitors are only well defined when we have enemies – such as being at war.
Technically, I think the only war ongoing is against terrorism.
Bobby Thomson
@rikyrah: what do the Turks have on Joe Biden?
Kay
I’m glad she’s thinking about this. She’s good at her job, haters. Sure she’s not perfect but she’s the best we have in our shambling, collapsing WRECK of a government.
By far the best.
JPL
@Another Scott: And the rerpublicans keep saying if the report is true. I guess they don’t follow White House statements or trump’s personal twitter feed.
Bobby Thomson
@jl: Trump losing it and spilling whatever he has on Graham would be good for America.
Neldob
@oldster: I’m with you. Alternative version: get your poop in a group.
Betty Cracker
@patrick II: Could be.
@jl: I’m not seeing much on the major MSM sites about the Giuliani graft angle, but it’s early yet!
patrick II
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
That was quick. Some republican judge took care of that for him.
Fucking Ways and Means Committee chair Richard Neal has had an open invite from the New York State Attorney general to ask for state returns and he refuses to do it. If democrats, not just Schiff and the intelligence committee, really want to impeach, Nancy should ask him to step down.
Deep Southerner
@oldster: I’ve heard the expression “nutting up” for about as long as I’ve been alive, and I’ve always heard it in the context of someone “going nuts.” I don’t think it has anything to do with male parts.
rikyrah
@catclub:
Go AG James!!!
rikyrah
@Kay:
I guess it would be too much to ask of the farmers getting screwed over to ask this same question.
Jeffro
@PaulWartenberg: Watch as the air comes out of that fat orange balloon, and quickly. Let him spin why he’s got negative net worth…and then let’s hear where all of his funding is really coming from…
Philbert
Syria: also….It’s Putin’s birthday!
cain
@jl:
I expect him to say that he worked out a deal that is going to be amazing for everyone especially him and Russia!
Another Scott
@patrick II: I’d be careful about thinking that Neal doesn’t know what he’s doing. It used to be that chair of Ways and Means was just about the most powerful position in the House.
There’s an ongoing lawsuit.
It may be that they want to force the court to rule that Donnie has to comply, to serve as a strong precedent and strengthening the obvious fact that “shall” means “shall” going forward. Making an end-run and getting the returns a different way won’t strengthen Congress’s hand for future battles.
Just a guess. IANAL.
Cheers,
Scott.
Captain C
@Kay:
Perhaps he’s setting up his own bolt hole for when everything goes sideways here?
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Kay: I would as forth option to the K-Thug’s list, since Trump is this petty and short sighted;
(d) The Kurds have been big Republican cause since GH Bush’s presidency and Trump is shafting the Kurds to punish the Republicans for not supporting Trump enough on the Impeachment charge.
Immanentize
@Another Scott:
I agree with you about Neal and his work. But now that impeachment proceedings have started in the House, the “I must have my bean feast NOW” crew is casting about for new targets.
glory b
@Kay: Kasie DC had a commentator on last night who spoke of his heart attack at 39. He said worse than the heart attack was his decision to return to work the next week.
He said his heart attack was 10 years ago, and he never got beyond 90% of how he was before. His take on it is that Sanders should not even consider going back any time in the near future. Heart attacks aren’t to be scoffed at, even the ,mild ones will rock you on your heels, and he was 40 years younger than Sanders.
patrick II
@Another Scott:
The NY ATTY General offered those tax returns to Neal straight up before there was any court case against it. There since is a federal case in filed in DC, but the NY ATTY General says it is in D.C. and is federal and casts no restraints over her. She is all but begging Neal to ask for them, which he hasn’t. If he is playing some game it’s a dumb one. If you want some precedence that will help other cases the best case would be to show all of the crimes you know he has committed in the state returns as justification for getting the rest. Not to mention, state returns will show much of the federal return anyway.
People can overthink things. Get the fucking tax returns that are available.
SiubhanDuinne
@Another Scott:
And this two-parter, slightly more recently:
“I, in my great and unmatched wisdom” is a nice touch.
mdblanche
A rather unfair comparison there, mistermix. He may be a fat sociopathic racist asshole’s gullible weak-willed little bitch, but Butters has enough of a conscience that he would try to do something useful long before Graham breaks out the strongly worded tweets.
Ruckus
To Lindsey Graham:
Something that should receive a lot of bipartisan support is impeachment.
Ruckus
@Chief Oshkosh:
In my navy days, nutting up always meant – to grow a pair, get some balls, borrow some balls, for fucks sake just buy some balls.
Brant Lamb
@SiubhanDuinne: Once you’re clearly fantasizing (like Trump) you might as well go bid, eh?
sigyn
@Richard Wesson: That’s my personal favorite term. Careful though, I was suggested as much on a reddit thread, got downvote brigaded by redpillers, and they erased all my upvotes & left me 200 downvotes in the hole.
Luckily for you, we’re a pack of jackals, not fucking lunatics.
Miss Bianca
@SiubhanDuinne: “I am OZ, the Great and Powerful!”