Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

The willow is too close to the house.

Come on, man.

When your entire life is steeped in white supremacy, equality feels like discrimination.

I’d hate to be the candidate who lost to this guy.

Reality always lies in wait for … Democrats.

Whoever he was, that guy was nuts.

Is it irresponsible to speculate? It is irresponsible not to.

fuckem (in honor of the late great efgoldman)

The next time the wall street journal editorial board speaks the truth will be the first.

We’ve had enough carrots to last a lifetime. break out the sticks.

Republicans do not pay their debts.

Tick tock motherfuckers!

Give the craziest people you know everything they want and hope they don’t ask for more? Great plan.

Schmidt just says fuck it, opens a tea shop.

Perhaps you mistook them for somebody who gives a damn.

Republicans don’t want a speaker to lead them; they want a hostage.

A Senator Walker would also be an insult to reason, rationality, and decency.

“But what about the lurkers?”

I did not have this on my fuck 2022 bingo card.

Something needs to be done about our bogus SCOTUS.

Their freedom requires your slavery.

Red lights blinking on democracy’s dashboard

Too often we confuse noise with substance. too often we confuse setbacks with defeat.

Sitting here in limbo waiting for the dice to roll

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  2. 2.

    Anne Laurie

    @WereBear: Oh, I doubt Trump will go out without trying to take every other Repub with him… and in that single endeavor, I wish him much success.

  4. 4.

    satby

    @Anne Laurie: and thousands of people will be dead by the time it happens, not all of them in Syria.
    I can’t bear to even look at the news at all.

    Good morning all. Baud, if you’re lurking check in. We miss you.

  5. 5.

    OzarkHillbilly

    Blech.

    New Fox News poll: 48% of voters believe Trump is “getting what he deserves” with the impeachment inquiry.

    What trump deserves is an eternity of cleaning out cesspools without protective clothing. So no, he;s not getting what he deserves.

  6. 6.

    satby

    @OzarkHillbilly: I’ve moved into the “hanging for treason” category, along with several high profile enablers. Enabling genocide for profit and a hostile foreign adversary while irreparably damaging to our allies and troops in the Midwest should qualify.

  8. 8.

    mrmoshpotato

    @satby:

    I’ve moved into the “hanging for treason”

    Ah, but are you at “then throw their bodies into a lava lake too” too?

  10. 10.

    Bruce K

    @Anne Laurie: My worry is that it won’t be just the GOP that he takes down with him, but a whole lot of innocents besides. He strikes me as the sort to go scorched-earth Gotterdammerung. I just hope it doesn’t end up Downfall-bunker bad for the bystanders.

    The GOP, the Southern-strategy voters, and their enablers deserve every bit of pain he’ll bring on them on his way down. The rest of America deserves better.

  11. 11.

    Radiumgirl

    Isn’t it possible that people are out to get Trump AND he is still getting what he deserves? I mean, people should be out to get Trump — he’s a danger to the Republic.

  12. 12.

    Betty Cracker

    Speaking of assholes getting exactly what they deserve:

    In private, Trump is increasingly leaning on the Republican leader in the Senate. In a return to the President’s panicked behavior during the height of the Mueller investigation, Trump is calling McConnell as often as three times a day, according to a person familiar with the conversations…

    Trump has been lashing out at GOP senators he sees as disloyal, according to the person familiar with the conversations, telling McConnell he will amplify attacks on those Republicans who criticize him.

    McConnell faces his own dilemma of having to preserve the Republican majority in the Senate, while also placating an erratic President who demands nothing short of total loyalty. That will become harder as more details about Trump’s dealings with Ukraine trickle out.

    Here’s hoping the deranged shitgibbon calls McConnell in the middle of the night in a Sudafed-snorting rage, bellowing about Mitt Romney and screeching about his hotel in Istanbul until the Senatortoise retreats completely into his shell.

  13. 13.

    OzarkHillbilly

    Because we don’t have TV, I don’t get to watch many Cardinals games. If I want to see one I have to head for the stadium or stop off at the local Applebees. Which is what I did yesterday afternoon. I had planned to get there for the start of the game but ran a little late. I walk in, sit down at the bar, order a Sam Adams, look up at the TV and….

    Braves -0
    Cardinals -10

    WTF? How did I miss half the damn game? Look again…

    Flaherty is on the mound and it’s the bottom of the 1st inning.

    WTF???

  18. 18.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @JPL: I watched till the middle of the 5th. Got the Missus some baby back ribs and headed back home, knowing as always that in baseball, it ain’t over till it’s over. I was a little surprised to see the score this morn was the same as when I left. I was expecting the Braves to put up at least a couple more runs but I guess that first inning just ripped their hearts out.

  25. 25.

    Amir Khalid

    @mrmoshpotato:

    Ah, but are you at “then throw their bodies into a lava lake too” too?

    As I remember, quite a few jackals actually went there when the US killed Osama bin Laden and took his body. It had been reported that a Muslim US Navy officer attended to the rites so that OBL got a proper burial at sea; some quite lurid suggestions were made here for something more … retaliatory.
    It wasn’t a side of the jackaltariat I enjoyed seeing. Jokes about desecrating the dead are beyond the pale to me. You’ve got a very legitimate beef with Trump and his enablers/sycophants. You don’t have a beef with anyone’s dead body.

  26. 26.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Raven:

    10: The number of earned runs Flaherty allowed over the entire second half of the regular season, a span of 15 starts. He got more run support on Wednesday before he even stepped on the mound.

    I knew Flaherty had been all but unbeatable since the All Star game but damn, 10 runs over 15 games?

  27. 27.

    john not mccain

    Hanging is far too merciful. I recommend looking to the history of England for something more appropriate. There are several methods that do not involve desecrating dead bodies.

  32. 32.

    germy

    A sternly worded letter.

    News: The Biden campaign has sent a letter to NYT exec editor Dean Baquet excoriating the newspaper. The Biden campaign says NYT has "had an outsized hand in the spread" of the "baseless conspiracy theory" that Biden abused his office for his son.More: https://t.co/fCJ8Ii32Ds— Oliver Darcy (@oliverdarcy) October 10, 2019

  33. 33.

    ByRookorbyCrook

    I don’t want him hanged. I want him tried, convicted, and sentenced to the rest of his life in prison. His assets should be seized as well, but I am unsure how that could be legally achieved in addition to incarceration.
    As a republic, we need to have a clear line drawn with an object lesson of those that have crossed it.

  35. 35.

    Jeffro

    Good morning, Jackals.

    I see my strategy of going to bed at the end of the 8th inning last night WORKED, and the Nats are heading to the NLCS! How ‘bout them apples? =)

  37. 37.

    Another Scott

    ‘morning all. Fingers crossed for the people in Erdogan’s way. :-(

    RollCall:

    A federal judge in Washington on Tuesday appeared ready to give the House Judiciary Committee access to at least some of the secret grand jury materials from the Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation.

    Chief Judge Beryl A. Howell of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, throughout a two-hour hearing, voiced skepticism about the Justice Department’s reasons for opposing the release of materials to the committee as part of an impeachment investigation into President Donald Trump.

    [Russians will interfere again, maybe others too, Mueller warns]

    That was most clear when Justice Department lawyer Elizabeth Shapiro told Howell that a federal judge in 1974 — who sent a sealed grand jury report and evidence to the committee for use in the Watergate impeachment investigation of President Richard Nixon — would rule differently if the issue arose today.

    “Wow,” Howell said after a pause. “As I said, the department is taking an extraordinary position in this case.”

    The exchange about a decades-old case underscored the rarity of such a separation-of-powers legal battle. There are few previous cases to guide Howell in a decision about whether an impeachment inquiry fits one of the exceptions to rules that keep grand jury information secret.

    […]

    It’s not over until it’s over, but good, good.

    And Donnie thought the Mueller Report was over…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  39. 39.

    trnc

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Trump’s tax cuts helped billionaires pay less than the working class for first time

    Republican tax cuts. No reason any republican senator should skate on this.

    I know you only posted the article. I’m just venting.

  45. 45.

    Betty Cracker

    @germy: It’s a great letter, and The Times’ mealy-mouthed excuses for publishing a Bannon-funded hack are very on brand. The Times has some truly excellent reporters and coverage, but the good it does is outweighed by the evil. I don’t understand why any Democrat would subscribe to that paper.

  46. 46.

    Chyron HR

    @Matt McIrvin:

    I’m sure our progressive betters will find a way to pin it on Trump AND the Democratic National Committee.

    You think they’ll blame Trump? 12% of them VOTED for him.

  47. 47.

    Ohio Mom

    I will be happy with life in prison for Trump. I am against the death penalty and I’m not making any exceptions.

    Think about it. The first days, he’ll be detoxing from whatever it is he’s on. That won’t be fun.

    He won’t be able to attend to his hair, anymore, ever, or keep up with his spray tans, or wear the shoe lifts. That’s going to hurt too, for someone as vain as he is.

    No more double desserts, fast food, or the rest of his preferred diet, and the list goes on. He’ll be quite miserable for the rest of his life, and that idea satisfies me.

    Though I wouldn’t be surprised if he came to an Epstein-type demise.

  49. 49.

    Chyron HR

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    What would your suggested action be against a media outlet?

    They should be locked up in the secret House gulag by the Marshall of the Supreme Court, obviously.

  50. 50.

    Kay

    Brendan Karet ?
    @bad_takes
    · 11h
    Michael Pillsbury, outside advisor to the White House on trade: “I tried to bring up the topic in Beijing, of just tell me what happened with Hunter Biden. And that — I have never seen them get so secretive in my entire life.”

    First Giuliani and then Trump told us this publicly of course, but just imagine what they’re up to in these meetings.

    Another one:

    ashar Ali ?
    @yashar
    ·12h
    NEW: In a 2017 meeting in the Oval Office, President Trump pressed then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson to help persuade the Justice Department to drop a criminal case against an Iranian-Turkish gold trader who was a client of Rudy Giuliani

    I used to think the NYTimes bizarre relationship with and coverage of this administration was perhaps based in their decades-long relationship with Donald Trump, but it’s probably not Trump – it’s Giuliani. How central Giuliani is to all of these makes a lot more sense. He’s the conduit.

  52. 52.

    Ohio Mom

    @trnc: As someone, somewhere pointed out, we have achieved the flat tax. By a back door, but we are essentially there.

    My newish weekly ritual of a bone-strengthening pill, full glass of water and sit upright for thirty minutes before eating is over. Thank you all for making the wait for my coffee entertaining. I’ll be back later.

  53. 53.

    Kay

    Rex Tillerson and Kelly (and everyone else in the room who heard it) did not turn Donald Trump in for trying to rig a criminal case to get Giuliani’s client off.

  55. 55.

    Kay

    @Betty Cracker:

    a Bannon-funded hack

    Promoting a Bannon funded hack who was just this week was outed as pulling whole chunks of his work from Wikipedia.

    That’s the quality of the work- stuff that wouldn’t pass muster in a high school assignment.

  60. 60.

    FlipYrWhig

    @Kay: Sometimes it feels like Trump’s view of the presidency is pretty much the same as when a person with a cop friend asks him to “fix” his parking tickets. Petty and small.

  63. 63.

    artem1s

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    So no, he;s not getting what he deserves.

    Yea, I read that response as all those idiots who have been indoctrinated by the GOP to believe that the government is all bad, separate from the people, and every politician is a lying liar. they are both fine with Dump getting ‘what he deserves’ but probably also fine with another round of Benghazi hearings, child prisons and throwing a bunch more people into Gitmo without due process. Everyone else is responsible and should suffer, not me and mine. or shorter GOP, “I got mine, fuck you”.

  64. 64.

    Barbara

    @Betty Cracker: And yet these same senators extract not a single thing of importance in exchange for their support. They are servile courtiers and the situation has gotten worse over time.

  65. 65.

    Betty Cracker

    @Kay: Yep. The Times not only refuses to engage in any reflection on their catastrophic 2016 coverage, they’re doubling down in the most in-your-face way possible.

  66. 66.

    Kay

    @FlipYrWhig:

    Every single person in that room knew Trump had just asked his subordinate, Tillerson, to break the law. None of them revealed it or reported it to law enforcement. Tillerson only told the public now because he was personally humiliated by Donald Trump and wants vengeance.

    100% self interest. Everyone just looking out for number one and operating their own side hustle. And the insanely exaggerated self-regard that goes along with their petty and self-serving actions! Tillerson is the one whose wife told him God chose him to be in the Trump Administration. What they believe about themselves has NO connection to the reality. They’re horrible corrupt people who believe they are extremely honorable.

    I genuinely have more respect for ordinary criminals. They don’t lie to themselves and pretend it’s anything but self-interest that drives them.

  69. 69.

    Kay

    @Betty Cracker:

    If you read the Trump coverage and the pro-Trump planted items and see Giuliani as the source it all makes a lot more sense, going all the way back to the “FBI clears Donald Trump” story they ran immediately prior to the election.

  71. 71.

    Kay

    @rikyrah:

    I’d just like to cut to the chase at this point. Odds are Trump sacrificed those Kurds because of some sleazy Turkey business deals with his criminal co-conspirators. I mean, Jesus Christ. With Manafort and Giuliani what else do you need?

  72. 72.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    How long will it take Trump to decide the slaughter of the Kurds was Obama’s fault? Maybe HRC’s too. Around the same time, R members of congress will have finished making their shocked statements, send thoughts and prayers, and go back to whatever it is they spend their time on, since it’s clearly not legislating.

  74. 74.

    Kay

    James B. Stewart
    @JamesStewartNYT
    ·Oct 6
    As lead NYTimes story today makes clear, Barr and Durham are investigating the origins of the Russia probe. Was it a foreign intelligence/Deep State plot? My new book DEEP STATE has the answers— and it’s out Tuesday.

    I’m sorry but if you’re still considering this newspaper credible you’re crazy. It’s a racket. They’re writing books, selling books, promoting books- it’s all they do.

  76. 76.

    Ken

    @Spanky: Trump doesn’t care about the Kurds, but I’m hoping he’ll notice Turkey’s (utter lack of) reaction to his macho posturing yesterday. Of course he won’t be able to admit that they have absolutely no respect for him, and that’s undoubtedly when we’ll find out that this is all Obama’s fault.

  77. 77.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    @satby:

    That is some TV I’d enthusiastically watch. Some of those necks are so large as compared to the heads upon them, though, that I wonder if that sort of punishment is physically possible…

  78. 78.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    @Bruce K:

    I’m a little concerned over the damage a lame-duck Trump (presuming he’s not removed by the senate but loses the election) could do by way of executive orders, treaty destruction, pardons, etc.

  83. 83.

    J R in WV

    @ByRookorbyCrook:

    I don’t want him hanged. I want him tried, convicted, and sentenced to the rest of his life in prison. His assets should be seized as well, but I am unsure how that could be legally achieved in addition to incarceration.

    As a republic, we need to have a clear line drawn with an object lesson of those that have crossed it.

    Confiscation of racketeering connected assets is pretty easy once all the illegal money laundering and tax dodges are recorded and out in public. From Wikipedia, “They have done this by enacting various anti-money laundering and forfeiture laws such as the RICO Act of 1970 and the US Patriot Act of 2001.” Would be so great to use the Patriot Act to strip Don Trump of every penny.

    I would like to see Ivanka working at the jewelry counter at a J C Penney store in Hoboken, Eric working as a stocker at Aldi in downtown Newark, and Don Jr in the cell next to his dad.

  86. 86.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    @Amir Khalid:

    Does providing calorie-limited, low sodium vegan meals to them through their detention count as torture?

  87. 87.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    @trnc:

    The Boston Globe treatment from Handmaid’s Tale (only this time, for the purpose of good) comes to mind.

  88. 88.

    Zzyzx

    Can someone explain to this Mariners’ fan why people are talking about baseball when the season ended a week ago? It’s like there’s a “postseason” or something.

  90. 90.

    J R in WV

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    That one is pretty good. Is that a meteor in the lower left hand side?

    I have an appointment to take at least one of the new puppies to the Vet this afternoon. The Appt is for both of them, but they aren’t really leash trained at all, so I’m seriously considering taking just the little girl, who is the most skittish of the two, but hwo needs spayed asap.

    This morning I did manage to slip a harness on her, I got one in the little boy the other day. She kind of freezes up when I connect a leash to her collar, I’m hoping the harness doesn’t affect her the same way.

    They’re still both skin and bones, after their week long foray into the deep woods. I saw them outside the front door, standing there as silent as could be, and wonder if they came around from time to time, but weren’t aware that they could bark or make any noise to get in.

    They seem quite healthy, were farm yard puppies at a goat dairy and were served with their 7 siblings several gallons of milk and all the kibble they could eat, and were still growing up to be pretty rangy dogs. They’ve had vaccinations for distemper and parvo so far.

  93. 93.

    Ken

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    an eternity of cleaning out cesspools without protective clothing

    That would be Dante’s Third Circle, for the gluttonous. Obviously Trump is a candidate, but would surely be assigned to a lower circle for worse sins. Should he somehow not reach the Ninth (traitors), there are at least four of the bolgias of the Eighth (fraud) for which he qualifies.

  94. 94.

    Another Scott

    @Kay: They’re trying to prepare everyone for the inevitable Throwing-Of-Rudy-Under-The-Bus to save Donnie’s skin. That’s all.

    I don’t think it will work – Donnie won’t escape unscathed. They’re all up to the neck in the mess they’ve made.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  95. 95.

    Ladyraxterinok

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    My niece at end of 1st semester at prestige school missed a test. School at once notified her family and searched everywhere. There was special concern because a very popular student has just previously committed suicide and many students were extremely upset.

    She was found quickly, and it apparently had little or no effect on her.

    A text-book case of how to handle a missing student event.

  97. 97.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    Bernie looks like shit.

    Good. I want him out of this soon before he does any more damage. I don’t wish him a speedy recovery or recovery at all.

  98. 98.

    J R in WV

    @Betty Cracker:

    The Times has some truly excellent reporters and coverage, but the good it does is outweighed by the evil. I don’t understand why any Democrat would subscribe to that paper.

    Oh, Betty, we’ve been over that. There are recipes you CANNOT get anywhere else. I’m particularly remembering that famous one for Guacamole with peas in!! Plus the BEST crosswords by Wil Short!!!


    Who could give those up at this stage in the end of the world??

  103. 103.

    Kay

    @Another Scott:

    Zarrab hired Giuliani and former Attorney General Michael Mukasey.

    So… Mukasey didn’t know that his co-counsel was pressuring the President of the United States to drop a criminal prosecution to benefit their client? My goodness. One would think he would be furious that Guiliani went behind his back like that, given that he’s such an incredibly powerful and well-connected lawyer.

    Trump’s crew is very NY-centric, too. All these fucking crooks come out of NYC.

  105. 105.

    J R in WV

    @JPL:

    @J R in WV: What about Jared?

    How about under a bridge with a curtain rod, a cardboard box, no sparrow…

  106. 106.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    @JPL:

    Jared is selling vacation timeshares out of a boiler room in Orlando, and whining to the guy in the next cubicle about Ivanka hounding him for $400 a month in child support.

  110. 110.

    Kay

    @chopper:

    It’s just not a good campaign and it has to be. They won’t beat him like this. It’s not good enough. It actually worries me how they keep pointing to how he polls better than Trump. That’s not permission to do a lousy job. It’s a gift. They came in with it. They have to ADD to it.

  111. 111.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    Let me first stipulate that obviously sliming Biden is a bad thing. Asking foreign governments to help you do that so you can get re-elected is a bad thing. And it’s going to hurt Biden, even though there’s no substance to claims that the VP was dishonest. That’s also a bad thing.

    But if Trump’s attempt to do that is what brings him and his crew down, I personally find it a fair trade. We have a lot of good candidates.

  112. 112.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @ByRookorbyCrook:

    His assets should be seized as well, but I am unsure how that could be legally achieved in addition to incarceration.

    (cue Barry Manilow voice)

    Its name is RICO,
    It takes your fortune…

  114. 114.

    JAFD

    @J R in WV: There’s a Whole Foods and a ShopRite* in downtown Newark, but the nearest Aldi’s I know of is in Bloomfield, about four blocks flom the end of the Newark City Subway.
    Hoboken I’m really not familiar with.

    *IMHO, if they really wanted to have a Rite of Shoppyng, they’d have Gregorian chants playing over the sound system and incense burning by the checkout counters…

  115. 115.

    Kay

    @chopper:

    And it’s fine to say Biden’s voters are older and not extremely online so that sort of campaign isn’t his thing, but there’s a whole huge chunk of the D Party that are not 65+ and I don’t really understand not even attempting to reach them. It’s just a weird thing to seem to say “well, we have OUR voters”. For now! This would be the time you would be broadening that. That is what this is about. Adding. Not holding.

  116. 116.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    I’ll add – Trump, Miller, Bannon and Barr should be cellmates, all the way up to the final day. Unlimited alcohol, too, and the conversations and interactions streamed for an all-access pass, proceeds to pay down the deficit.

  119. 119.

    Fair Economist

    @satby: Trump is now giving aid and comfort to ISIS, so even if you are being a stickler about the definition of treason, he now qualifies.

  126. 126.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    According to the Palmer Report, Democratic Congressman Mark Pocan is demanding that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo explain who told Gordon Sondland not to show up and testify today, and he’s revealed that he’s going to cut off Pompeo’s salary if it doesn’t happen. Pocan is citing the specific section of federal law that allows him to do this, and because he sits on the House Appropriations Committee, he’s in position to make this happen.

    A way to punish Trump’s goons for contempt of Congress?

    The quote is from a post on KOS.

  127. 127.

    Gin & Tonic

    WSJ alert on my phone tells me that Rudy’s Florida/Ukraine buddies Parnas and Fruman have been arrested.

    Boy, I hope Rudy goes on TV to rant about this.

  128. 128.

    Kay

    Rebecca Ballhaus
    @rebeccaballhaus
    ·9m
    NEWS: Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, two Giuliani associates who donated to a pro-Trump super PAC, were arrested late Wednesday on criminal charges of violating campaign finance rules. They have been under investigation by SDNY.

    These are the two who assisted Giuliani in the election interference re: Biden! I think they are ON the Democrats witness list!

    It’s just unbelievable how corrupt they are. Take what you know and multiply by 1000. This is ONE tiny corner of an extremely lumpy rug.

  130. 130.

    Aleta

    They’ve arrested Parnas and Fruman (Giuliani’s buds in Ukraine caper), for campaign finance violations; illegal donors to Trump super PAC.

  132. 132.

    Kay

    Justin Baragona
    @justinbaragona
    · 12h
    Now Rudy Giuliani is telling Hannity to “keep your eye on Romania. Just watch Romania” on the Bidens.
    He later says he has another country on his list.

    And the crime spree continues. They have to hire prosecutors and investigators. That’s four countries – 5 if you add Italy, and you should.

  135. 135.

    Wapiti

    @Kay: I think the Turks offered that the Khashoggi torture-murder tapes might never be seen or heard again, but they’d like a little favor in return…

  136. 136.

    Aleta

    @Aleta: correction: not definite what they’re charged with; they were supposedly donors to a Trump super PAC. Foreign nationals aren’t allowed to contribute. The press is just saying they were ‘foreign-born.’

  138. 138.

    Aleta

    @rebeccaballhaus
    Parnas and Fruman in May 2018 donated $325,000 to America First Action, a pro-Trump super PAC, through an LLC called Global Energy Producers. Campaign Legal Center filed a complaint with the FEC in July 2018 calling on them to investigate the donation.

    Charged w/ campaign finance violation.

  144. 144.

    Aleta

    Sam Stein @samstein
    YESTERDAY: @lachlan reported that former Rep. Pete Sessions got $3m from this pro-Trump super PAC after he wrote a letter calling for the sacking of the Ukraine Amb. that Parnas, Fruman and Rudy wanted out.

  146. 146.

    Betty Cracker

    @Aleta: This could get really interesting. Those two clowns are represented by Giuliani (who has a novel strategy to drum up business — commit crimes with clients!), have hobnobbed with the Trump-spawn and have not only handed bags of cash to Trump-supporting PACs but also propped up FL Republicans, including Gov. DeSantis and Sen. Scott, according to The Miami Herald.

  148. 148.

    mapghimagsik

    Him and his clan deserve to be so shunned that only Ellen DeGeneres will go to baseball games with them.

  149. 149.

    Jeffro

    @MoCA Ace: I’m totally with you on this. Never thought about just paying the fine and doing it in broad daylight but it does have a certain appeal.

    @Betty Cracker: The roll-up has begun! Rudy’s gonna make one heck of an interesting fella in custody, methinks. I wonder if he’ll ‘sing’? (Magic 8-ball: “most definitely”)

  150. 150.

    mrmoshpotato

    Cole’s boycotting Wimbledon – again!

    You can't boycott it you just weren't invited this is like me boycotting playing at WimbledonGabbard Threatens to Boycott Debate, Alleges DNC ‘Rigging Election Again’ https://t.co/Dbpj3LNkgz— Cake or Death (@Johngcole) October 10, 2019

    I wonder if Tulsi and Wilmer like fishing. They should give it a try for the next 13 months.

  151. 151.

    cain

    @Amir Khalid:

    It wasn’t a side of the jackaltariat I enjoyed seeing. Jokes about desecrating the dead are beyond the pale to me. You’ve got a very legitimate beef with Trump and his enablers/sycophants. You don’t have a beef with anyone’s dead body.

    I agree. Bin Laden may have been a twisted individual (and someone we created) but when we talk about what desecration, I think we’re harming ourselves. Not that I care particularly about the mortal husk that is the individual.

  153. 153.

    Cacti

    @Wapiti:

    I think the Turks offered that the Khashoggi torture-murder tapes might never be seen or heard again, but they’d like a little favor in return…

    I’m guessing it was more explicit. Something along the lines of:

    Get out of northern Syria, or we let the world know that you and your son in law are accessories to murder. And punctuated it with: and we can do it any time we want if you test us.

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    cain

    @Kay:
    Another possibility is that he knew that if he told it back when it would be demagogued and he would be attacked and nothing would happen. But now.. in the middle of impeachment. It can be added to the articles of impeachment that can be followed up. If Tillerson did leak it, he would be able to show up and talk to Congress.

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    cain

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    How long will it take Trump to decide the slaughter of the Kurds was Obama’s fault? Maybe HRC’s too. Around the same time, R members of congress will have finished making their shocked statements, send thoughts and prayers, and go back to whatever it is they spend their time on, since it’s clearly not legislating.

    They can, but their allies won’t forget. When they get back into power, they will be hitting a shit show. They’ll end up making bonds with Russia as the only actor that will probably accept them – we will be their client state under these assholes.

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    Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony

    After everything Trump has said and done, 37% think people are out to get Trump? Is the crazification factor increasing??

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    mrmoshpotato

    @Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony:

    After everything Trump has said and done, 37% think people are out to get Trump? Is the crazification factor increasing??

    I’m thinking it’s hard to admit you voted for a mobster, even with a mountain of evidence staring you in the face.

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    Chyron HR

    @cain:

    I’m not sure this is a healthy position to take at all.

    As opposed to “Bernie is the Chosen One! America must die for denying Him!!”

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    Soprano2

    @OzarkHillbilly: Yep, I know the feeling. I had to run a couple of errands after work, so at around 4:15 I checked my phone to see what the score was. I saw Cardinals 9 Braves 0 in the top of the 1st and said to myself “What the hell?” I tuned in just in time to hear Edman score the 10th run (he was down here in Double AA at the beginning of the season!). When I heard they took Carp out for defensive purposes in the bottom of the 1st I was surprised. That’s indeed one for the record books. I think the ending of the Sunday night game hurt Atlanta psychologically, and they just didn’t recover from it.

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