The menu so far for the Trump-Giuliani Brunch: Chicken Kyiv, Eggs Benedict Arnold, Treason Bran, Impeach Cobbler. What else?
— Mig Greengard (@chessninja) October 13, 2019
Calamari ala Giuliani Trumpini, aka… https://t.co/QEE38TycmB
— Mig Greengard (@chessninja) October 13, 2019
NBC, this afternoon:
President Donald Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani on Monday denied being involved with a Ukrainian oligarch whose ethical issues have dovetailed with the ongoing impeachment inquiry into the president.
Giuliani also told NBC News he was not planning on visiting Dmitry Firtash, who is currently wanted on corruption charges in the U.S., during a trip to Vienna he planned last week. He said he could not speak for his two Soviet-born business associates, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, who were arrested last week on campaign-finance charges in Virginia as they were about to board one-way flights to Vienna. Giuliani has said their similarly timed Austrian trips were not in conjunction…
Giuliani also said he has “never” brought up Firtash’s extradition battle with Trump.
“I’m not even sure the president is aware of him,” Giuliani said. “I think if you asked the president ‘who is Dmitry Firtash?’ He would say ‘I don’t know.’ As far as I know, we’ve never discussed him.”…
Saturday, per the NYTimes:
President Trump had lunch on Saturday with Rudolph W. Giuliani amid revelations that prosecutors were investigating Mr. Giuliani for possible lobbying violations, and speculation that his position as the president’s personal lawyer was in jeopardy.
The lunch, at Mr. Trump’s golf course in Sterling, Va., was among several shows of the president’s support for Mr. Giuliani on Saturday. They seemed meant to tamp down questions about Mr. Giuliani’s status with a client famous for distancing himself from advisers when they encounter legal problems of their own.
Mr. Trump, during a Saturday night appearance on Fox News, called Mr. Giuliani “a great gentleman” and said he is still his lawyer. “I know nothing about him being under investigation. I can’t imagine it,” he told the host Jeanine Pirro…
Mr. Giuliani, a former federal prosecutor and New York mayor, was retained last year to help defend the president in the special counsel’s investigation.
But his efforts to undermine the investigation’s origins and its conclusions helped lead Mr. Trump into an impeachment inquiry. The inquiry focuses on whether Mr. Trump, with assistance from Mr. Giuliani, abused the presidency to pressure Ukraine to pursue investigations for his political benefit, including into whether Ukrainians played a role in spurring the inquiry of the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III…
Mr. Trump was not enamored with the negative publicity around Mr. Giuliani, people close to the president said, but he remains loyal because of his lawyer’s willingness to aggressively defend him during the special counsel’s inquiry.
It is not clear what was discussed at the lunch…
Well, it is likely that Trump hasn’t paid him https://t.co/CuYDoJkbWg
— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) October 11, 2019
Kind of amazing Trump is using the *exact same language* about Giuliani that he used before tossing his last lawyer, Michael Cohen, under the bus: https://t.co/iyf4HsYEIs
— Ari Melber (@AriMelber) October 11, 2019
ok but are we sure rudy is actually a lawyerhttps://t.co/Qmd9yXQctI
— darth™ (@darth) October 11, 2019
Barr visited Murdoch yesterday and today Fox starts referring to Giuliani as a liability for White House. Coincidence?
— Sue Buttler (@ButtlerSue) October 11, 2019
This is a good day to re-read this story about the tense relationship between Barr and Giuliani. Barr has complained to POTUS about Giuliani before. https://t.co/pDpNpp4dWI
— Ben Pershing (@benpershing) October 11, 2019
As always, what this defense of Giuliani really shows is that for Trump, "deep state" really means, "regrettably effective obstacle to my corrupt scheme to sell out our foreign policy and rig our elections to maintain power and avoid prosecution." 2/2https://t.co/j0QyesL9iZ pic.twitter.com/VkupI7RRxd
— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) October 12, 2019
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Bit of a flaw in Team Trump’s master plan if their fixer is the one who is now being indited. But who says comedy is dead?
NotMax
All smothered in Russian dressing and washed down with a round of Moscow Mules.
trollhattan
What would a “two-sided Witch Hunt” look like? Would there still be witches?
geg6
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
And the second one in, what, a year or so?
MattF
OT
Harold Bloom has died. I was a grad student at Yale, and the prevailing campus rurmor was that Bloom was ‘romantically involved’ with various female students.
I wrote a limerick about him:
A professor of English at Yale
Was fat and abnormally pale.
He once did a pose
Without any clothes
And entitled it ‘Moby, a Whale’.
Cheryl Rofer
Good thread on the many connections to Firtash among the Trumpies from a Russian expert:
Raoul
Since we’re talking about Rudy, worth echoing from dmsilev in a thread earlier today: Katie Harbath, Facebook’s “Public Policy Director for Global Elections”, worked on the Rudy Giuliani Presidential Committee, as Deputy eCampaign Director.
Isn’t that interesting.
schrodingers_cat
@MattF: Nice limmerick!
NotMax
@trollhattan
Like some bizarre bake-off.
“Nothin’ says lovin’ like somethin’ from the coven.”
:)
SH121
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: @Enhanced Voting Techniques: @Enhanced Voting Techniques:
I wonder if anyone has alerted Trump that Mr Zuckerberg may be positioning himself for a presidential run as a GOP challenger? I think Facebook has more followers than all of Trump’s tv appearances,,,,comedy gold.
rikyrah
The meal???
rikyrah
???
For you, Rudy??
waspuppet
Donald Trump does not “remain loyal” to anyone. Ivanka, maybe. And “aggressively defend him” means “scream on TV.
dmsilev
To steal one of Adam’s phrases from a while back, the Crisis Of Infinite Rudys is upon us.
gene108
I’m getting bored, with the Trump shit show.
Only thing that’d be interesting is if Trump can take down other elected Republicans.
Calouste
So, did Rudy fly to Vienna after those Ukrainians were arrested, or not? And if he did, what was he doing there?
NotMax
Crash and – burned.
debbie
Rudi will not go quietly.
The Dangerman
Rudy soon to enjoy some Steak Tar
tareAnd Feathers.Boned appetit!
dmsilev
@NotMax: Please please please tell me that the committee hired some bouncers from some local night club for just this reason.
debbie
Can I request a better analogy, please? There is no such thing as a bad Coen Brothers movie. Thanks.
SiubhanDuinne
.
zhena gogolia
This thread turned me off with its initial swipe at Obama, but it’s great nonetheless:
https://twitter.com/djrothkopf/status/1183002669813813249
Omnes Omnibus
@debbie: Gambit.
Wapiti
@Calouste: And if not, why not? If he had some plausibly innocent reason to be there, he should have gone and met the appointments he had made.
trnc
@trollhattan:
So much witching.
trnc
@Raoul: Yup. Hopefully, Facebook’s status will go the way of Half Ass Nosferatu’s presidential aspirations.
Mary G
That diesel you smell, Rudy – the bus is near, stay out of the road!
trnc
@SH121:
One more gadfly dirtbag to prove why we need a constitutional amendment requiring a president to have served at least 2 years as an elected official at the federal, state or municipal level.
BruceFromOhio
@trnc: kwicher witchin’.
Mary G
Bad news for Moscow Mitch!
RAVEN
A better shot of the parade pups!
Mike in NC
Rooting for injuries!
Mart
@Cheryl Rofer: Many media outlets only show Pence’s shoulder, not his face in that picture with the Ukraine boys. Is that to make him more palatable as No. 1 if his boss is impeached?
JAFD
‘Twill be a talk at the NY Military Affairs Symposium this Friday on
Obama, Trump, and the American Military: A Tale of Differences and Similarities
by Richard H. Kohn, Professor Emeritus of History and Peace, War, and Defense, University of North Carolina
at 7 PM at The Soldiers Sailors Club
283 Lexington Avenue, (between 36th and 37th Streets), New York City
Don’t think green balloons would be welcome, but I’ll be one of the two dozen or so elderly gentlemen with white beards ;-)
You may find something of interest on our website, nymas.org
Occasionally C-SPAN has been recording NYMAS talks, and broadcasting them at 4AM or so. If that happens, will let you jackals know.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Clicking around twitter, it appears that Fiona Hill is still testifying? It’s been 10 hours…? I’m sure Rs are throwing up every objection and procedural roadblock they can think of, but…. ten hours? that’s gotta make some people nervous
Uncle Cosmo
Craycrayfish Goombah for the soup course, straight from the Golf Coast.
Omnes Omnibus
@trnc: That would have knocked out Grant and Eisenhower.
Felanius Kootea
F**k Giuliani and his Dracula teeth.
OT: Wait, now Trump is imposing sanctions on Turkey? After giving them the go-ahead to commit genocide?
I have never wanted to see someone pay for their misdeeds as badly as I want to see Trump pay. Impeachment is too good for him. I want him tried in the Hague and
convicted.
debbie
@Omnes Omnibus:
Huh. New to me, and I see it was well hated, but I’ve reserved the DVD because I feel I must.
LivingInExile
Why in the he’ll isn’t there a law requiring presidential candidates to pass a background, security check. If they can’t get top secret clearance they are out of the running. Trump would never have passed.
Omnes Omnibus
@debbie: The original with Michael Caine and Shirley MacLaine isn’t bad.
Mary G
@RAVEN: ??looking good!
Omnes Omnibus
@LivingInExile: The Constitution sets out the requirements. That isn’t one of them.
Just Chuck
@Felanius Kootea:
QFMFT
Mary G
Ruh-roh:
This is a big get, hoping he’s telling the truth and not spinning to cover Pompeo’s ass.
LivingInExile
@Omnes Omnibus: So it would take a constitutional amendment? That would be a hard pull.
Dan B
@MattF: Did you know Marie B*. Professor of English at Yale? She just passed away and got a big write up in the alumni magazine. She was my father’s half sister. One of the first tenured women professors.
*Same last name as me and there are very few of us in the US so I’m trying to be incognito by using B.
SiubhanDuinne
@NotMax:
Charlie Pierce laid some fine shade on Goetz:
SiubhanDuinne
@SiubhanDuinne:
Won’t let me edit, but Gaetz.
Duane
@Felanius Kootea: Not long ago a Truth and Reconciliation Court sounded far-fetched. Now it’s absolutely necessary. The criminal acts are impossible to keep up with. Who the hell is Firtash? The IRA? That’s a retirement thing right? The NRA, RNC are criminal operations.The Republican party should be banned like the Nazi’s in Germany.
Time for people to learn what Bratva means.
RedDirtGirl
@trollhattan: Only witches, perhaps?
Kent
@LivingInExile:
That would take a constitutional amendment I think as the requirements for the presidency are spelled out in the constitution and courts would likely toss out any additional requirements as unconstitutional. Same thing for a law requiring release of taxes before running.
You could pass other laws that relate to the activities of the president once elected, but very hard to impose additional restrictions on who can actually run. That is also something that would mainly be up to the states who control ballot access.
Omnes Omnibus
@trollhattan: @RedDirtGirl: A dating app for witches?
NotMax
@SiubhanDuinne
Wouldn’t be the least surprised to see this:
Duane
@Dan B: Sorry I figured it out, Mr. Blattenflous.
JWR
@Mary G:
Googling around, I see that he’s not only career foreign service, but was appointed to multiple stations by Obama. (Not that there’s anything wrong with that, and provided this is the same guy.)
Cermet
@Felanius Kootea: Cheney and his bloody sock puppet, bush whack need to be tried at the Hague but the orange fart cloud? Not clear on what charges – breaking US domestic law isn’t something the Hague would bother with..
NobodySpecial
@LivingInExile: Knowing that the likes of the NY FBI office that leaked to destroy Clinton’s campaign are fully integrated into national security, no thanks, no invisible gatekeepers for this young lad. Better educated voters are the key to defeating the likes of Trump.
MattF
@Dan B: I was a grad student in applied physics, so the faculty and students I knew directly were generally in the physical sciences. I rarely met faculty outside the sciences.
I got to know some grad students in English literature socially, by happenstance— and since Bloom was a Campus Personality I would hear about him from them. But it was all quite indirect.
Just Chuck
@Cermet: Putting kids in cages counts as crimes against humanity methinks.
Ladyraxterinok
@MattF:
He was becoming a major voice in literary theory and criticism when I started grad school. My German dept literary theory prof emphasized German and European theorists , so we only looked at him tangentially.
Reading the Wiki entry brought back a lot of my grad school fascination with lit theory and criticism. I later became much more interested in the history of anthropology and the theory and practice of participant observation.
Thanks for noting his death
NotMax
Can haz non-political open thread?
daize
@RAVEN: Smiles! Such a great photo!
Millard Filmore
@Cermet:
Trump would have to leave some evidence that he conspired with Erdoğan to commit, support, or enable war crimes.
Is it too soon to speculate that he did?
Emerald
@MattF:
I’m friends with an internationally known emeritus prof who knew Bloom well, and that’s exactly what he told me, unsolicited.
Well, RIP anyway. He did make a major mark in the literary world.
RedDirtGirl
@Cheryl Rofer: I notice this tweet thread has a number of “unavailable” tweets in it. Do you have a sense of whether those are his own tweets that he has deleted, or are links to other people’s tweets that have become “unavailable” since he linked to them?
Felanius Kootea
@Cermet: I’m betting that he has broken international law on multiple occasions. I have to read Harold Koh’s book “The Trump Administration and International Law.” Excerpt here. The Human Rights Watch 2018 report on the US should be required reading for Bernistas and Democratic purity
ponies alike.
zhena gogolia
@RAVEN:
Yeah that’s the best one!
Ladyraxterinok
@Cheryl Rofer:
How is one non-expert person supposed to keep track of all these names, links, crimes, conspiracies?
Did someone on balloon-juice recently say we need clean a large wall, grab a bunch of colored markers, and start drawing boxes and linking lines? And plan on spending 2 to 3 hrs each day for the foreseeable future on the project?
zhena gogolia
@debbie:
I loved the original with Michael Caine and Shirley Maclaine. I don’t know why I never saw this one, since Colin Firth is in it.
The desecrated Colin Firth!!!!! Waaah! I still can’t get over that somebody grafted Drumpf’s head onto that sacred body.
zhena gogolia
@Dan B:
I vaguely remember her. The article on her was delightful.
JanieM
@Dan B: I was a grad student in the English department when she was department head. It was many moons ago and for me a different lifetime, really, but today has been a day of memories for various reasons. Thanks for reminding me of her.
Ladyraxterinok
@Raoul:
I am soooooo tired of living in ‘interesting times’!!
PIGL
@MattF: was that before or after the publication of his desparate cry for traditional intellectual values “The blocking of the American cock”?
zhena gogolia
@PIGL:
That’s Allan Bloom.
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus:
Is it really a “Coen Brothers movie” if they only wrote it?
PIGL
@Uncle Cosmo: you winz the inernets today.
Ruckus
@Ladyraxterinok:
That time frame sounds a bit optimistic.
Color codes for multiple misdemeanors, felonies, multiple felonies, treason.
Or a box for each person who trump has spoken to/with/about any issue in the last 4 yrs, has any paperwork between at all, has agreed to work for him, has ever made a statement about his/her relationship with him, his kids, wives
That ought to do it. Maybe.
Of course you could simplify it with just one big box with republican party written inside.
Mary G
@RedDirtGirl: It looks like he deleted them because numbers are missing? However, the whole thread, including the unavailable tweets, is here, for now.
Ruckus
@SiubhanDuinne:
That is good.
Redshift
@Dan B:
I took her class in History of the English Language. It was one of my favorite classes, I still have the book.
sukabi
@Cermet: pretty sure enabling a genocide would interest the world court.
In other news, the asshole cop that murdered the lady in her own home has been indicted for murder.
PIGL
@zhena gogolia: oops. my bad. ill let it stand anyway, for the belaboured pun, Plus also if he was boffing his grad students he was scum.
Thanks For the correction, though.
debbie
@zhena gogolia:
It may take some doing to un-etch that from your brain. I’m glad I didn’t click and only read of this travesty!
Steeplejack
@RedDirtGirl:
There seem to be some broken links in the thread chain. If you go to Weiss’s main “page” you can scroll down to the first tweet in the thread and then read them all in numerical order coming back up toward the top.
zhena gogolia
@debbie:
I only read of it too! But it’s just so horrible.
Mary G
Good! And fast!
Why they can’t use her name in the first paragraph, is a mystery to me. It’s Atatiana “Tay” Jefferson. I never noticed until I started following some black people on Twitter that this is a bad media habit.
Ladyraxterinok
@MattF:
My ex, now retired, was a grad student in applied physics at Stanford from 63 to 68
Ruckus
@Mary G:
I can think of two reasons.
First, they don’t want to give her any agency as a person. They want to stay as clinical as possible. It’s racism. That’s the bad.
Second, they may want to lessen the possible repercussions for any relatives from some racist scum trying to finish off the job. This may be a bit far fetched but maybe less unrealistic than first glance.
Both just a guess but from the relatively swift response from the chief this case sounds like it may not be all that easy for him to get off.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
his wife is simply appalled that people are treating him like a trumpian criminal just because he did crimes for trump
BlueDWarrior
@Ladyraxterinok: the wholec meta- conspiracy looks like one of those suspect connector boards you see in crime dramas.
I think we need two boards at this rate
RedDirtGirl
@Mary G: @Steeplejack: Many thanks to you both.
Mary Ellen Sandahl
@-7438539″>Omnes Omnibus:
The Constitution doesn’t say the President must be sane either. Can’t help feeling that some kind of stipulation like that might be a good addendum, now that everybody’s forgotten about George III.
Ladyraxterinok
@PIGL:
I believe you’re thinking of Allen Bloom’ The Closing of the American Mind. I got the 2 mixed up also. Allen was at the U of Chicago, I think.
I heard he wrote that book largely out of rage at how he felt he’d been mistreated by students during the student uprisings in the West during the mid to late 60s.
IIRC the book was a long tirade against what he felt to be the pernicious effects of the German intellectuals who fled to the US in the 30s and 40s to escape Nazi persecution. According to him, as I recall, they brought all sorts of un-American ideas in to our institutions of higher learning.
Note–don’t know if Bloom attacked him by name, but Paul Tillich was one of those refugees. I remember how he was constantly publicly attacked in the 60s by conservative American Christians for his theological views,
Ken
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Sounds like Sondland is very much in “We’ve established what you are, now we’re just haggling over price” territory.
Mary G
I love a good “go fuck yourself” letter in lawyerese:
Donald Trump released the call summary and admitted it out loud to the press himself. Also, James K. Polk.
Mary G
Ladyraxterinok
@Ladyraxterinok:
Bertolt Brecht was also a German who fled to US to escape Nazis. He came here in 41 after having spent some yrs in Denmark, (He 1st fled Germany in 33 when Hitler came to power.)
Brecht left Us in 47 for East Germany after being forced to testify before the notorious House Committee on Un-American Activities.
NotMax
@Mary G
Polk had sense enough to keep the “K.” silent.
;)
Mary G
??✔????
Ladyraxterinok
@Mary G:
I read he was just months out of the academy and maybe was alone. Not excusing shooting but maybe sign of very poor training and procedures for giving assignments to new cops
Ladyraxterinok
@BlueDWarrior:
Ever read the description of those boards in JD Robb (Nora Roberts) mystery stories?
Jinchi
Has a reporter ever asked Giuliani why a high profile attorney works pro-bono for a politically connected billionaire? I mean the guy isn’t exactly famous for his charity work. What exactly is his motivation here?
It seems he’s simultaneously put himself in a position to stonewall (“My client deserves confidentiality”) and to deny he ever knew the guy when the walls come falling down.
Kent
Holy Fuck…
I’m listing to Maddow on Tivo right now.
Apparently we have 50 nukes stationed at a US airbase in Turkey. The Pentagon is now panicking and making contingency plans to evacuate out 50 nukes out of Turkey as chaos between the US and Turkey spirals out of control
This shit is starting to get real in a big big hurry.
Dan B
@Duane: Got me! There are so few of us. Less than one even!!
Jinchi
@Kent:
The US evacuating nukes out of Turkey. Khruschev would be so jealous of Putin right now.
PST
@trollhattan:
Quidditch.
Dan B
@MattF: There were scientists in the family but lots of musicians on Marie’s side. And my father the chemist.
A client of mine here in Seattle was a student of hers and pursued a career in writing as did his son who’s now a reporter ar Buzzfeed.
Mary G
Ooopsy! The gun, she is smoking.
Also, several tweets have said Fiona Hill has an eidetic memory and recited conversations she had about Rudy and Ukraine word for word.
mad citizen
@Kent: This is a holy phuck! So great that a Russian agent is running our Executive Branch.
One thing I don’t understand, and I only read reference to it here (probably), but just wiki-ed it. Yes, there is a Trump Tower in Istanbul–actually two conjoined buildings. A developer licensed the Trump name (god knows why). A quote from the wiki entry:
“In December 2015, Trump stated in a radio interview that he had a “conflict of interest” in dealing with Turkey because of his property, saying “I have a little conflict of interest, because I have a major, major building in Istanbul … It’s called Trump Towers. Two towers, instead of one. Not the usual one, it’s two. And I’ve gotten to know Turkey very well.”[6] ”
Why don’t we know how much cash flows to the Trump business from this deal? How does it affect what he has done? Etc.
SiubhanDuinne
@PST:
Presumably, then, a four-sided Witch Hunt would be Quadditch.
Dan B
@Redshift: Wow! I never met her but we’ve had a little contact with her sister at SUNY Binghamton. My father and his sisters were the product of my grandmother, the younger woman. There was little love lost but all of my grandfather Albert’s kids were similar in character and intelligence.
Edith, Marie, and Ray all shared the same grandfather who was abandoned in an orphanage in Chicago at the Upton Sinclair era of Chicago orphanages.
Patricia Kayden
Winning.
https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger/status/1183842141593853960
Sigh.
Mary G
Republicans can’t win unless they cheat.
Ken
@BlueDWarrior:
One for what investigators have discovered, and one for what Trump has confessed to?
Or one for reality, one for the feverish conspiracy theories that Trump claims?
Dan B
@zhena gogolia: Who knew so many commenters here encountered Marie B. She was so much like my aunts. The family expressed dismay that my aunts were unfortnately not as “well endowed”. But they were quite successful at Oberlin College Conservatory and raising very high achieving kids in business and the arts.
Kent
@Mary G: From the article. Who believes this is actually chance?
Think about what this paragraph says. These voters were purged because of “inactivity in FUTURE election cycles”. As in, you won’t be voting in the future because we are purging your names. Therefore we need to purge your names because you are no longer active voters. And of course only in a Dem stronghold, Franklin County, which I believe is Columbus.
If we don’t have democracy all that is left is the barrel of a gun.
PPCLI
@Mary G: Let’s be careful with Sondland’s testimony. He will try to claim that the “deliverable” he spoke of in his text was a White House meeting and not the military aid appropriated by Congress and withheld. Wrapping that payload in stuff that will get people talking about Giuliani has the side benefit of letting Sondland pass blame. But the main purpose of his testimony will be to try to defuse “deliverable”.
He is a Trumper. They have settled on a PR strategy and he will play his part.
Dan B
@JanieM: Glad to remind you of Marie. It seems like 6 degrees of separation. The B.’s pushed through a lot if adversity. I wonder how they would deal with today? Er, no I don’t the outrage and ridicule, followed by organized campaigns to right the sinking ship would be epic
Jeffro
This whole thing has been right out in the open for four years now: if trumpov WERE working for Putin, what would be any different? Answer: nothing, of course.
We have all been saying, for forever and a day, that this would be the biggest scandal in American political history. Well, we were wrong. It might actually turn out to be the biggest scandal in world history. The ‘leader’ of a superpower, enabled by 40% of that country’s voters and 99% of one of it’s political parties’ leadership, is completely owned by a bit player of a country (albeit one run by the world’s richest man).
All that wealth…and the best henchman/go-between they could manage was…Rudy Giuliani.
Not sure if that is tragedy or farce…
zhena gogolia
@Jeffro:
People thinking that Russia was ever “a bit player of a country” is part of what has gotten us into this mess.
Leto
@Kent: They’re not panicking but they are starting to reasses the situation. Obama wanted to move them, in his second term, but wasn’t able to pull it off. US forces there train all the time on multiple different contingencies regarding security of the items, as well as aircrews training on what to in the event a base holding these items is overran and the security of them is even potentially compromised. Also the vaults that they’re stored in, the Turks aren’t getting them out once they’re sealed. And they’re always sealed.
I’m not going to do an Adam style disclosure but here’s the system they’re stored in: Weapons Storage and Security System (WS3).
Kent
@zhena gogolia: The GDP of Russia is smaller than that of Texas. But they have lots of nukes I guess.
zhena gogolia
@Kent:
They have oil and gas. They produce more oil than Saudi Arabia or Iran.
Jeffro
@Kent: Thank you, this is what I was referencing up above.
zhena gogolia
@Jeffro:
Well, I guess we’ve learned what a bit player they are.
Kent
@zhena gogolia: Including all their production of oil and gas they still have less economic output than Texas.
Omnes Omnibus
@Kent: And yet it’s played a pretty big role on the world stage for the past 100 years. GDP isn’t everything.