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Lock His Ass Up

by John Cole|  October 15, 20195:11 pm| 74 Comments

This post is in: Assholes, Go Fuck Yourself

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Frogwalk this motherfucker:

Rudy Giuliani dared House Democrats to take him to court Tuesday, declaring he won’t comply in their “abomination” of an impeachment inquiry despite facing a subpoena over his shady campaign to find political dirt on Joe Biden in Ukraine.

Having decided to not cooperate, the ex-mayor said he has parted ways with his attorney, Jon Sale, for the time being, claiming it would be “silly to have a lawyer when I don’t need one.”

However, Giuliani said he may rehire Sale if Democrats hold him in contempt over his refusal to cooperate with the subpoena, which requests documents and testimony on his Trump-endorsed attempts to strong-arm Ukrainian officials into investigating unfounded corruption claims about Biden’s family before the 2020 election.

“If they decide to do an enforcement, I’ll need someone to go to court with and we’ll figure that out at the time,” Giuliani told the Daily News before he was set to attend a Yankees game in the Bronx. “I’m not worried. It’s not authorized what they’re doing in secret. It’s an abomination of due process. I can’t imagine a court would tolerate what they’ve done.”

The defining characteristics of modern conservatism are racism, greed, and an open contempt for democratic processes. Lock this loudmouth motherfucker up.

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  1. 1.

    catclub

    October 15, 2019 at 5:14 pm

    The defining characteristics of modern conservatism are racism, greed, and an open contempt for democratic processes.

    No love for an almost fanatical dedication to the Pope.
    I’ll come in again.

  2. 2.

    MJS

    October 15, 2019 at 5:14 pm

    “I can’t imagine a court would tolerate what they’ve done.” Rudy continues to self-identify as the worst attorney, ever.

  3. 3.

    catclub

    October 15, 2019 at 5:16 pm

    If any of the cases of the executive branch (or people like Giuliani)
    ignoring subpeonas stands. Blame Dick Cheney as the godfather of the strategy.

  4. 4.

    WereBear

    October 15, 2019 at 5:22 pm

    @catclub: Blame Dick Cheney as the godfather of the strategy.

    And because we didn’t stop them there, we have to stop them here.

  5. 5.

    trollhattan

    October 15, 2019 at 5:24 pm

    Adam Schiff must be uttering some variation of, “As you wish.” right now. Giuliani and Dersh simply can’t help themselves when there’s a camera within, say, seventy miles. Please proceed, mayor.

  6. 6.

    Juju

    October 15, 2019 at 5:25 pm

    Also take away the coffin he sleeps in, and his soil from the homeland.

  7. 7.

    Yutsano

    October 15, 2019 at 5:25 pm

    If only we knew someone on the New York bar who could possibly bring up an ethics complaint against our ex-Mayor here…

  8. 8.

    NotMax

    October 15, 2019 at 5:25 pm

    Fill in the blanks.

    Giuliani is to law as _____ is to _____.

  9. 9.

    Kay (not the front-pager)

    October 15, 2019 at 5:26 pm

    his shady campaign to find political dirt on Joe Biden in Ukraine.

    Goddam it, it wasn’t a campaign to find political dirt, it was a campaign to manufacture political dirt!

    It’s like calling what the Russians did in 2016 “meddling.” @#%@$#^

  10. 10.

    Roger Moore

    October 15, 2019 at 5:27 pm

    @catclub:

    No love for an almost fanatical dedication to the Pope Donald.

    FTFY.

  11. 11.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    October 15, 2019 at 5:27 pm

    I know Bolton’s comment and Giuliani doing a drug deal are a metaphor, but I can’t help hoping it’s true.

  12. 12.

    Roger Moore

    October 15, 2019 at 5:28 pm

    @NotMax:

    Giuliani is to law as _____ is to _____.

    Trump is to presidenting.

  13. 13.

    germy

    October 15, 2019 at 5:28 pm

    Lionsgate releases a new trailer for Jay Roach’s Bombshell. The film, which is based on the true story of the sexual harassment allegations made against former Fox News head Roger Ailes, skipped the various fall festivals that served as a launching pad for many an awards contender the past couple of months. However, many felt Bombshell had the potential to shake up the Oscar race, given its extremely timely subject matter and all-star cast headlined by Oscar winners and nominees like Charlize Theron, Nicole Kidman, and Margot Robbie.

    The trailer really captures the Fox energy.
    screenrant.com/bombshell-movie-trailer-theron-kidman-robbie/

  14. 14.

    Aleta

    October 15, 2019 at 5:30 pm

    I have a fantasy of moving the offices of the WH, upper administration and Congress to inside the walls of a high security prison. And these hearings too. So that every one of them has to pass in and out each day. See if ‘scared straight’ happens. And prison reform too.

  15. 15.

    Cacti

    October 15, 2019 at 5:30 pm

    @catclub:

    ‘Cept Rudy isn’t a co-equal branch of government. He’s a private citizen with zero Constitutional authority to defy a Congressional subpoena.

  16. 16.

    germy

    October 15, 2019 at 5:30 pm

    @NotMax:

    Giuliani is to law as _____ is to _____.

    Cole is to mopping.

  17. 17.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 15, 2019 at 5:32 pm

    Having decided to not cooperate, the ex-mayor said he has parted ways with his attorney, Jon Sale, for the time being, claiming it would be “silly to have a lawyer when I don’t need one.”

    However, Giuliani said he may rehire Sale if Democrats hold him in contempt over his refusal to cooperate with the subpoena, which requests documents and testimony on his Trump-endorsed attempts to strong-arm Ukrainian officials into investigating unfounded corruption claims about Biden’s family before the 2020 election.”

    I assume Sale knows to get a big retainer up front from this screwball

  18. 18.

    Aleta

    October 15, 2019 at 5:32 pm

    @NotMax: Giuliani is to law as _____ is to _____.

    toxic discharge is to a river

  19. 19.

    mrmoshpotato

    October 15, 2019 at 5:34 pm

    May I suggest this also be filed under ‘Assholes’? Because – yes.

  20. 20.

    zhena gogolia

    October 15, 2019 at 5:36 pm

    @germy:

    Ugh. This looks as if it’s glamorizing Fox News.

  21. 21.

    Ryan

    October 15, 2019 at 5:37 pm

    Also too Russian money. Those lawyers aren’t free. Come to think of it, neither are tickets to Yankee games.

  22. 22.

    hells littlest angel

    October 15, 2019 at 5:39 pm

    It would be cruel and unusual punishment for Rudy’s cellmate, but, yeah.

  23. 23.

    HeleninEire

    October 15, 2019 at 5:44 pm

    @germy: Everyone put your pencils down. We have a winner.

  24. 24.

    Yutsano

    October 15, 2019 at 5:48 pm

    The defining characteristics of modern conservatism are racism, greed, and an open contempt for democratic processes

    That word “modern” is pulling a lot of weight there JC.

  25. 25.

    J R in WV

    October 15, 2019 at 5:48 pm

    @Cacti:

    ‘Cept Rudy isn’t a co-equal branch of government. He’s a private citizen with zero Constitutional authority to defy a Congressional subpoena.

    Would like very much to see Rudy taken from his hotel room at the Trump Glorious Washington Old Post Office Hotel at 3 am in handcuffs after missing his appointment with Congressman Schiff. Then given the choice between testifying, or spending the next several months in the general population in a DC Metro Jail…

  26. 26.

    Beth in VA

    October 15, 2019 at 5:50 pm

    @Kay (not the front-pager): Exactly. The main deliverable they wanted wasn’t an investigation by Ukraine, because it wouldn’t find anything. What they wanted was a public announcement from Ukraine’s government that an investigation was on-going. Because at that point, the US media (looking at you, NY Times) would take the ball and run with it through the remainder of the campaign season.

  27. 27.

    JaySinWA

    October 15, 2019 at 5:50 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: It is possible, although not likely that Bolten was aware of the Nevada attempt to get a marijuana licence after the application period had closed. It was part of the indictment for the 4 (2 Florida and 2 west coast). Yes drug deals are a part of this, but it is not clear how far up the US chain that goes. It almost certainly is part of the Ukraine and Russian end.

  28. 28.

    Mnemosyne

    October 15, 2019 at 5:54 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Somebody posted a story yesterday saying that Rudy’s Ukrainian buddies have cornered the market on marijuana dispensaries in the Bay Area so, yeah, they may literally be (legal) drug dealers.

    Amazing what you can do when you have Russian oligarchs backing you …

  29. 29.

    Joe Falco

    October 15, 2019 at 5:55 pm

    If Democrats can’t find this behavior as being in contempt of Congress then the Republic may as well be doomed. Trump is Caesar and the Democrats are the Roman Senate. I know I’m overreacting, but this is just putting me in a dour mood. Rudy Collude-y needs a stay in a 6 x 8 on Rikers.

  30. 30.

    Keith P.

    October 15, 2019 at 5:55 pm

    @J R in WV: So would his wife LOL!

  31. 31.

    Yutsano

    October 15, 2019 at 5:56 pm

    @Mnemosyne: I’m just imagining them hauling pallets of cash to the IRS office that can take cash near to them just so they can make their quarterly payments.

  32. 32.

    oldster

    October 15, 2019 at 5:56 pm

    I hope that Schiff and Pelosi are talking right now about when to issue the subpoenas.

    Congress has the power, unless they give it away. And if they give it away, they will never get it back.

    (Oh, until a Republican congress faces a Democratic president, at which point it will suddenly be a co-equal branch with solemn majestic powers of the ultimate legislature of the land and the authentic voice of the voting populace. Fuck these people.)

  33. 33.

    JaySinWA

    October 15, 2019 at 5:58 pm

    @JaySinWA: talkingpointsmemo.com/news/marijuana-plot-parnas-fruman-giuliania-indictment-nevada
    Drugs along with Lawyers, guns and money.
    @Mnemosyne: part of this crew was in the Nevada caper.

  34. 34.

    trollhattan

    October 15, 2019 at 5:59 pm

    @Mnemosyne:
    The pot plot thickens a day later.

    The FBI has been investigating whether Sacramento-area marijuana businesses have made payoffs to public officials in the region in exchange for favorable treatment and license approvals, The Sacramento Bee has learned.

    Three sources with direct knowledge of FBI questioning of area marijuana business figures say the investigation began in the past few months and predates the disclosure that one of Sacramento’s major marijuana dispensary owners had ties to a Ukrainian man indicted last week along with two associates of Rudy Giuliani, President Trump’s personal attorney.

    The FBI’s Sacramento field office declined to comment Monday.

    But the investigation comes two months after the FBI announced in a podcast that it was “seeing a public corruption threat emerge in the expanding cannabis industry” and asked for any tips involving public corruption and the industry, which generates millions of dollars in revenue and involves licenses that can go for as much as $500,000.

    The sources, who did not want to be identified to keep the identities of the marijuana business figures private, said agents had been seeking information about whether payments had been made to local officials seeking favorable treatment.

    The disclosure comes one day after Sacramento officials called for an immediate investigation into the city’s dispensary licensing system and how one ownership group had managed to obtain eight permits to operate dispensaries, far more than any other operators.

    That call followed a report in The Sacramento Bee detailing the fact that Garib Karapetyan and his associates had accumulated licenses for eight dispensaries, and that an officer in Karapetyan’s operation is indicted Ukrainian businessman Andrey Kukushkin. Kukushkin was indicted last week along with three other men – including Giuliani associates Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman – in an alleged scheme to funnel foreign campaign contributions to U.S. politicians and gain entry to the marijuana businesses in Nevada and “other states,” court documents say.

    Parnas and Fruman have donated to several California politicians, including House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy.

    Kukushkin is listed in city records as chief financial officer of Sharp Source, a corporation that operates the Twelve Hour Care dispensary on Fruitridge Road. He and Karapetyan also were listed as officers in a Sacramento company called Legacy botanical Company LLC. Karapetyan’s Roseville attorney, Brad Hirsch, said Monday that he has instructed his clients not to speak with journalists, and that he has received numerous calls from national media outlets, including The Washington Post and the New York Times.

    Everywhere I look, Rooskies!

  35. 35.

    JaySinWA

    October 15, 2019 at 6:05 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Everywhere I look, Rooskies!

    All the way down.

  36. 36.

    Ksmiami

    October 15, 2019 at 6:05 pm

    Jail the fucker.

  37. 37.

    Aleta

    October 15, 2019 at 6:06 pm

    @catclub: Dick Cheney as the godfather of the strategy.

    I’ve been thinking of him and his ‘restore the authority and power of the presidency’ distortion a lot lately. What Cheny’s lies have brought today; imo not coincidentally.

    I remember, as perhaps one of the first things he did, when he called in (iirc) oil co. execs (who else? do we even know?) for talks on energy policy.

    What I remember (there could be mistakes in this): when people (like Dems and environmentalists) wanted to know who came and what they requested, Cheney and lawyers argued the right of the exec branch to keep that information private. Because that information was from ‘advisors’ and the VP office had a right to executive-branch privacy. Were they campaign contributors? Did they benefit from subsequent energy policy? Was Haliburton there? They said we had no right to know. Though it was contested, I don’t have accurate memory of what was eventually disclosed and what not.

    When talk of ‘Bush doesn’t look so bad now, next to Trump’ appeared the media, the question and comparison left me cold, because there’s a continuation going on of information suppression, cronyism, stonewalling, profiteering … .

  38. 38.

    waspuppet

    October 15, 2019 at 6:08 pm

    The defining characteristics of modern conservatism are racism, greed, and an open contempt for democratic processes.

    Can we stop giving them the fig leaf of calling it “modern”? They’ve been like this for 50 years and they’re only getting worse.

  39. 39.

    HalfAssedHomesteader

    October 15, 2019 at 6:10 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Power is a drug.

  40. 40.

    jl

    October 15, 2019 at 6:11 pm

    @trollhattan: The crazed dash for cash that was going on under the political corruption and feckless foreign policy disasters and humiliations would have been huge just on their own any other time. Will be interesting to read about them when the info comes out.

    Looks like Giuliani’s lawyer decided an insanity defense wouldn’t work out, so quit right after writing the bugger off letter to Congress. Will be lots of interesting news after Giuliani implodes.

    Giuliani has always wanted to be the center of attention, and he’s hit the jackpot beyond his wildest dreams.

  41. 41.

    Joe Falco

    October 15, 2019 at 6:20 pm

    @Aleta:
    Good lord, I still remember the man-sized safe Cheney kept around. There were always jokes about what need did Cheney have for that thing around and what he locked away in there.

  42. 42.

    Mary G

    October 15, 2019 at 6:27 pm

    Rudy’s going through his usual scorched earth divorce from wife 3, and she’s getting $42,000 a month and petitioning to have the court up to it the $230,000 a month they spent when they were married. He’s supposedly worth millions on paper, but has locked a lot of it up so she can’t get at it, and had to borrow $100,000 from a friend to pay property taxes. So no, he can’t pay a lawyer. From Splinter in September:

    Last spring, the Giulianis filed for divorce after 16 years of marriage, setting off a rancorous battle that, like most everything Mr. Giuliani touches, demanded attention.

    In caustic legal proceedings this summer, the separated couple has battled over things as prosaic as her kitchen renovations and as rarefied as his splurges — $7,131 on fountain pens and another $12,012 on cigars.

    “It is beyond me why either party in this case would have an interest in having all of this done publicly,” Justice Michael Katz said at an appearance last year in State Supreme Court in Manhattan. Settling privately, he advised, “would treat their relationship and marriage with more respect than divulging all our dirty laundry out for public consumption.”

    A good point by the judge! And yet a trial date is reportedly set for January as the couple squabbles over their considerable wealth which, according to the Times, includes a fortune in the multi-millions, 11 country club memberships, and six homes. Hence this sordid detail (emphasis mine):

    Mr. Giuliani now gives his wife $42,000 a month, as well as covering other bills, including the carrying costs for their properties, as ordered by Judge Katz in February. Mrs. Giuliani must pay for the landscaping at their home in Southampton.

    Mrs. Giuliani says she had no choice but to take him to court, to prove what he is actually worth financially and to get what she believes she is fairly entitled to.

    “I feel betrayed by a man that I supported in every way for more than 20 years,” Mrs. Giuliani said in an interview. “I’m sad to know that the hero of 9/11 has become a liar.”

    So he’s in a big bind. He didn’t succeed in getting Ukraine to smear Hunter Biden, so Twitler’s not going to cough up (probably wouldn’t have even if Rudy had delivered), his Russian buddies are in jail, and he’s under investigation himself. Good. No one deserves it more. He is scum among scum.

  43. 43.

    J R in WV

    October 15, 2019 at 6:40 pm

    I can’t help but wonder if a $12,000 cigar smells as much like a burning dog turd as a $1.17 cigar.

    I’m sure they are as carcinogenic which is a good thing, as long as Rudy is smoking them. If I were she, I would have divorced him the moment he fired up a cigar in my presence!

  44. 44.

    Just One More Canuck

    October 15, 2019 at 6:43 pm

    @NotMax: the Flintstones are to anthropology

  45. 45.

    Uncle Omar

    October 15, 2019 at 6:43 pm

    @hells littlest angel: @#22 With any luck he’ll end sharing a cell with one of the Mob guys he sent up while he was the USAtt’y in NYC.

  46. 46.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    October 15, 2019 at 6:45 pm

    @Uncle Omar: One would think they would have a decent argument for Prosecutor incompetence for an appeal by now.

  47. 47.

    Barbara

    October 15, 2019 at 6:47 pm

    You haven’t “dropped” your attorney just because you aren’t calling him every day. This is the kind of thing that means nothing but might impress a few people too stupid or naive to know how attorney client relationships actually work.

  48. 48.

    Kenneth Fair

    October 15, 2019 at 7:08 pm

    @J R in WV: Why not just pull him out of ALCS Game 3? You know where he’s going to be for the next couple of hours.

  49. 49.

    mrmoshpotato

    October 15, 2019 at 7:08 pm

    @waspuppet: What if we call it modern conservative fascism?

  50. 50.

    mrmoshpotato

    October 15, 2019 at 7:13 pm

    “I’m not worried. It’s not authorized what they’re doing in secret. It’s an abomination of due process. I can’t imagine a court would tolerate what they’ve done.”

    Ummm…what? Congress isn’t authorized to subpoena his fucknuts, fascist ass?

    I’d like to see where that’s written.

  51. 51.

    mrmoshpotato

    October 15, 2019 at 7:14 pm

    @Kenneth Fair: That idea sounds like a home run.

    I’ll see myself out.

  52. 52.

    Roger Moore

    October 15, 2019 at 7:17 pm

    @mrmoshpotato:

    What if we call it modern conservative fascism?

    But Doughy Pantload has assured me that fascism is a liberal ideology!

  53. 53.

    mrmoshpotato

    October 15, 2019 at 7:24 pm

    @Roger Moore: Hell of a time we live in where I seriously have to ask which Doughy Pantload you’re talking about.

  54. 54.

    Uncle Cosmo

    October 15, 2019 at 7:27 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: Can’t do it until he fails to show up at the specified time.

    IOW American’s Goombah has to balk first (for the runners to advance).

    Hold the door, I’ll be right behind you.

  55. 55.

    trollhattan

    October 15, 2019 at 7:27 pm

    @Aleta:
    Didn’t they go as far as trying to make the WH visitor log classified?

    The current shitstorm is blurring my recollections of the Cheney-Bush-Cheney maladministration, which at the time really was as vile and corrupt as they came. Hoo-boy.

  56. 56.

    Mnemosyne

    October 15, 2019 at 7:27 pm

    I’m skeptical that there is any LEO in the country who would be willing to arrest the sainted Rudy 9/11, but I hope it happens. Preferably after 5 pm on Friday so his ass gets to sit in jail overnight while his lawyers scramble to find a judge willing to free him.

  57. 57.

    mrmoshpotato

    October 15, 2019 at 7:30 pm

    @Uncle Cosmo: Good one!

  58. 58.

    Uncle Cosmo

    October 15, 2019 at 7:30 pm

    They say that anyone who represents himself has a fool for a client.

    IOW Ghouliani will see his next attorney when he goes to shave in the morning.

    Presuming he has a reflection. (Pro tip: Not a good bet.)

  59. 59.

    Roger Moore

    October 15, 2019 at 7:35 pm

    @mrmoshpotato:
    You just need to look in the Balloon Juice Lexicon under “D”.

  60. 60.

    Keith P.

    October 15, 2019 at 7:41 pm

    @Mary G: It seems like by now his wives’ attorney’s have gotten wise to Ghouliani’s (it’s October) cheap lawyer tricks and know where he’s stashing his money. I think even TV anchors are getting wise to it, although I fully expect Rudy to try to marry Donald Trump in an attempt to keep them from testifying against each other.

  61. 61.

    Wilson Heath

    October 15, 2019 at 7:42 pm

    Alexa, remind me of the crime-fraud exception to the attorney-client privilege and order all the popcorn.

    I’d mention attorneys being their own worst clients, but, if this plays out according to his professed plan, he should be disbarred shortly.

  62. 62.

    Aleta

    October 15, 2019 at 7:52 pm

    @trollhattan: I only remember the T adminis trying to making it secret, and continuing to withhold some of it, quite early on.

    Now I want to look for whether Cheney-Bush tried that. Someone should write about ties between things Cheney-Bush did and the abuses of Trump, before the impeachment gets rolling.

  63. 63.

    mrmoshpotato

    October 15, 2019 at 8:02 pm

    @Wilson Heath: Standby. Alexa is still doing all the crimes for the Trump trash crime family. It’s a lot of crimes, and she probably doesn’t realize she’s being set up as the fall guy (fall umm… digital assistant?).

  64. 64.

    mrmoshpotato

    October 15, 2019 at 8:04 pm

    @Keith P.: For Rudy, it’s always October.

  65. 65.

    craigie

    October 15, 2019 at 8:05 pm

    I have come to the conclusion that Rudy Colludy is actually still working for the SDNY, undercover, in order to ensure that Trump goes to jail. It’s the only thing that explains this level of overt public idiocy.

  66. 66.

    Chris T.

    October 15, 2019 at 8:55 pm

    @J R in WV: I imagine it’s a dozen $1000 cigars.

    Not that that’s much better.

  67. 67.

    Roger Moore

    October 15, 2019 at 8:58 pm

    @mrmoshpotato:

    Alexa is still doing all the crimes for the Trump trash crime family.

    Sorry, Trump barely knows Alexa. She was never an important part of his administration. All she ever did was order all the coffee.

  68. 68.

    NotMax

    October 15, 2019 at 8:59 pm

    Copious kudos to all who responded. Not a clunker in the bunch!

    Shall add a movie-related one.

    … as Sydney Greenstreet is to track and field.

  69. 69.

    Ilefttxwhenannlost

    October 15, 2019 at 9:09 pm

    @Roger Moore: whore skeezy john

  70. 70.

    Raoul

    October 15, 2019 at 10:39 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: My first reaction today when I saw that Rudy had ‘parted ways’ with Sale was that the lawyer fired the client. I guess we’ll see if Rudy ever does have his represent him again. I ain’t convinced Rudy cut him loose.

  71. 71.

    TomatoQueen

    October 15, 2019 at 11:30 pm

    @Raoul: I think you’re right. If, and I’m almost certain of this, the Jon Sale who is mentioned is the same Jon Sale who was my ex-husb’s law professor a zillion years ago, I am surprised he was persuaded to take Rudy on at all, but people do change. The Jon Sale I remember was very very flamboyant (not a good match) but just too bright to do this for more than ten minutes and out of a sense of amusement.

  72. 72.

    Tehanu

    October 15, 2019 at 11:54 pm

    @Beth in VA:

    The main deliverable they wanted wasn’t an investigation by Ukraine, because it wouldn’t find anything. What they wanted was a public announcement from Ukraine’s government that an investigation was on-going. Because at that point, the US media (looking at you, NY Times) would take the ball and run with it through the remainder of the campaign season.

    Why, I’m beginning to think the NYT isn’t part of the liberal media!

  73. 73.

    tokyokie

    October 16, 2019 at 2:30 am

    @J R in WV:

    Would like very much to see Rudy taken from his hotel room at the Trump Glorious Washington Old Post Office Hotel at 3 am in handcuffs after missing his appointment with Congressman Schiff. Then given the choice between testifying, or spending the next several months in the general population in a DC Metro Jail…

    Late to the thread, but I’d prefer that Rude-E be served, cuffed, and dragged out of his kickback box seat in Yankee Stadium during Team Evil’s next home playoff game.

  74. 74.

    Johannes

    October 16, 2019 at 7:17 am

    @Juju: Finally, some common sense suggestions for the Giuliani problem!

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