When asked earlier this week what she was saying to Trump in the photo he posted on Twitter (which she subsequently used as the background photo on her own Twitter page), Pelosi said she was probably asking why “all roads lead to Putin.”
Pelosi isn’t the only woman who’s telling the truth. In a podcast interview, Hillary Clinton spilled more piping hot beverages than a wildly ill-advised first-grade class field trip to the Russian Tea Room:
In a conversation on former Obama campaign manager David Plouffe’s podcast, Clinton suggested the Russians are leveraging a number of top U.S. politicians. She suggested Russia had kompromat on Trump. She accused 2016 Green Party nominee Jill Stein of being a “Russian asset.” And she suggested Russia might back Gabbard as a third-party candidate.
“They’re also going to do third-party again,” Clinton said. “I’m not making any predictions, but I think they’ve got their eye on someone who’s currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate. She’s the favorite of the Russians. They have a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting her so far.”
“And that’s assuming Jill Stein will give it up, which she might not because she’s also a Russian asset,” Clinton said. “Yeah, she’s a Russian asset — I mean, totally. They know they can’t win without a third-party candidate. So I don’t know who it’s going to be, but I will guarantee you they will have a vigorous third-party challenge in the key states that they most needed.”
At another point in the interview, Clinton wagered that Russia does in fact have some compromising material on Trump, suggesting that’s why so many of Trump’s decisions have erred in a pro-Russian direction.
“I don’t know what Putin has on him, whether it’s both personal and financial,” Clinton said. “I assume it is.”
The endless scandal shit-storm that is the Trump administration is numbing. This week, two iconic women — one the most powerful elected official in the Democratic Party and the other the popular vote winner in the last election — accused the president of being under the control of a foreign autocrat, and it wasn’t even the lead story in a major daily.
Open thread.
Cacti
I wish HRC had said things like the above in 2016. But I’m sure she would have been excoriated for it by the librul media.
jeffreyw
petesh
Jimmy Carter is the greatest ex-President, but Hillary is making a solid run for greatest ex-candidate.
Chyron HR
@Cacti:
Just imagine if she had accused him of being a Russian puppet in a public venue. During one of the debates, even.
Nicole
@Cacti: She did. In barely a minute during one of the debates, she covered it all:
youtube.com/watch?v=-qIN1-z_JqQ
The media chose to ignore it.
rikyrah
Go Hillary!!
rikyrah
Hillary was right….about EVERYTHING….
catclub
Elizabeth warren scares all (almost all) the billionaires:
laura
Hilary is warning us Again. Will enough of our fellow citizens heed the warning this time, or will bengahzi/emails/whitewater/McConnell/travelgate/Chelsea/shiny object/fox news/ftfnyt works its hoodoo again?
Also, too, I want names to confirm who exactly is also compromised as a top US politician.
Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony
Hillary was right. My super, super liberal friends didn’t all vote for her. And now they are actively blaming Republicans AND Democrats for Trump. It is painful.
jeffreyw
I’m warming to the idea of Hillary running again.
lgerard
I love this picture, it is my new desktop background (renamed “Boss Polosi’)
The military guy next to trump looks like he is praying:
Please Jesus, hurry up with this impeachment
Emerald
@Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony: Leftier-than-thou folks are unreachable. They are gone. But, they’ve never really been in it for world-changing stuff anyway. Just their own egos.
That podcast is worth the time. I listened to it this morning. She has no more Fs to give and it shows. What are they gonna do to her now, anyway!
Comrade Scrutinizer
Ha! We all know that Hilary is just trying to divert attention from her emails.
Captain C
@Cacti:
Media* in 2016: Hillary is the She-Devil! Trump’s obvious lies and corruption are cute!
Media even now: Both Sides!
Media when it’s the Trump/Republican corruption, criminality, and incompetence are so obvious and one-sided that even they have to acknowledge it (i.e. sometime between now and never): Well, who could possibly have ever seen this? Surely not us, the true experts.
*=lots of them, but I’m specifically looking at you, FTFNYT.
Cacti
I stand corrected.
The librul media let the country down again.
Too busy breathlessly reporting who had made legal and above the board contributions to the Clinton Foundation to worry about dark money from Russian gangsters.
Captain C
@jeffreyw:
Given her history of offices and security clearances, I suspect she may in fact know what Putin has on Trump (FTR, I also think it’s both personal and financial).
Captain C
@laura:
Don’t forget the nontrivial subset who will loudly bray that they would have done the right thing if only Hillary Clinton had
ceased to existkept her mouth shut, but since she didn’t, well, it’s her fault that they chose not to.Cacti
@Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony:
Regarding the far left, as V said in “V for Vendetta”:
ETA: Looking at you, Wilmer, Jill Stein, Susan Sarandon, Michael Moore, Rosario Dawson, etc.
Mary G
Hillary and Nancy are speaking the truth. I still get enraged thinking about election night. And the stupid press. They’ll print Republican argle-bargle like “I didn’t say there was a quid pro quo, even though there’s film of me saying it,” to both sides right up until a right winger has them kidnapped on the street, tortured, and jailed with no trial.
Even WaPo had a both sides on the picture of Nancy SMASH – It’s a Rorschach test – Democrats see a woman speaking truth to power while Republicans see an uppity woman disrespecting the president. No, it’s one or the other, and I believe the woman.
MJS
Looking forward to the simultaneous explosion of heads from Trump, Stein, and Gabbard. Should be spectacular.
Jess
@Nicole: I think Cacti is being ironical?
trollhattan
@Comrade Scrutinizer:
Hillary’s server followed me home from work the other day, got into my house and tried to replace my dog before I caught the thing.
That was close!
Cacti
@Jess:
Nope, I was wrong.
John Revolta
I get like ten Tulsi ads a day on the pitiful few sites I go to. What’ll it be like if God forbid she goes 3rd party? Something tells me she’s not getting her $$ from basement dudebros.
LuciaMia
Or how a seven year old looks when his parents start fighting at the dinner table.
rikyrah
@John Revolta:
Let her go 3rd party.
zhena gogolia
@Jess:
It was Chyron HR who was being ironical. I made the same mistake.
I’m very worried about Tulsi too. She is BAD NEWS.
Ohio Mom
I just came back from lunch out and a couple of errands. Every other time I put the phone down for a few hours this week, I came back to some new horror.
This horror, Hillary warning us about Russia sponsoring Gabbard as a third party candidate, was being announced before I left the house. I’m going to appreciate this lull while it lasts.
glory b
I’m mad because I also see that Ari Melber is having Michael Moore on again today. I could have thrown something at my television last time he was on. He droned on about Hillary not visiting Wisconsin and the Dems breaking faith with the working class (this is why they turned to Trump, dontchaknow), never mentioning the SUPPRESSION OF THE AFRICAN AMERICAN VOTE in those states! In fact, he didn’t mention voters of color at all.
I’m especially teed off at Melber, who makes a great show of his knowledge of rap, but didn’t mention us as voters once.
Like somebody said, I wish some people loved black folks as much as they love black culture.
Jinchi
I’m not knocking Clinton, but we all have compromising material on Trump. The only question is whether anyone in the Republican party will admit to the evidence of their own eyes.
Mnemosyne
Considering how often Hillary was right in 2016, maybe the MSM should listen to her rather than chasing Republicans for quotes about how she doesn’t know anything.
I crack myself up sometimes.
rikyrah
@glory b:
I hear you
rikyrah
@zhena gogolia:
Why be worried about her. She’s a loser, and if she goes the 3rd party way, I definitely want her Congressional seat snatched from her.
Bill Arnold
@Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony:
Do you call them “objectively Republican” face to face. That can be fun.
Jess
@Cacti: Wow. Accidentally ironic, and done so beautifully. I love it.
catclub
@John Revolta: get thee to an ad blocker.
Jess
@zhena gogolia: You’re right. I’m high on cough medicine. Really. Not a metaphor.
Mnemosyne
@glory b:
The African American vote in Wisconsin was HUGELY suppressed — there are many studies showing it.
I still suspect that Michigan actively switched Hillary’s votes to Jill Stein since Stein’s vote count was unusually large.
Moore can shove his prognostications up his ass. Yeah, Mikey, we know that white dudes are massive misogynists who couldn’t stand to vote for a mere woman-thing. Not exactly breaking news there. ?
sdhays
@trollhattan: You live in Ukraine?
Nicole
@Jess: excellent catch. These days, irony seems so dead I’m incapable of recognizing it.
cmorenc
@petesh:
As much as I admire Jimmy Carter as a great ex-President, sometimes I kind of wish Ford had pulled out a squeaker and won in 1976 – which sounds perverse at first, until you realize that the cumulative shit-storm of economic perversity (especially) and the Iranian revolution hostage crisis would have similarly afflicted and left a Ford Administration floundering in futility, such that a change to a democratic administration (probably Ted Kennedy) would have been what would have attracted a wave of dissatisfied voters instead of Reagan – and we’d all have universal health care long ago, and SCOTUS would never have been captured by hard-right conservatives for the last 35+ years.
Mnemosyne
@rikyrah:
Personally, I’m worried about Tulsi because I truly believe that in 2016 the Russians and Republicans used Stein to hide their outright theft of votes from Hillary in key states, and they’ll use Tulsi for the same purpose if she runs third party.
It’s not her specifically, it’s the way they can use her to steal the election.
The Moar You Know
Huh. Both Gabbard and Sanders. I’d say “this might get expensive” but they bought Bernie off with a cheap-ass lakefront home in a shitty state, so maybe not.
Matt McIrvin
@glory b: “the working class”, too, always assumed to be white in those kinds of statements.
waspuppet
@Captain C:
There could be a Gabbard third-party campaign that literally only exists in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin and Florida, and our “liberal” media will howl if anyone points out that that might be a sign of something.
Betty Cracker
@glory b: Is there a big audience for Moore? I can’t stand the gasbag and immediately change channels when he appears my screen.
@rikyrah: Gabbard needs to go whether she runs third party or not, and it looks like she’s got a couple of good primary challengers already.
Mary G
He’s running:
I am constantly amazed how many people buy this guy’s cuddly moderate act.
jl
I resisted suspicions about Gabbard at first, even though I would never vote for her. But her recent statements and interview have been all over the map. I’m thinking more likely that she sees her chance to be a bigshot along the lines of Williamson, Ryan and Delaney are slipping away. She outlasted them in qualifying, but she might be next to be excluded from the very awesome big blue debate set. I still think of her as more of an opportunist than a knowing Russian assset but now I have to give credence to HRC’s suspicions. And it is a problem regardless of whether Gabbard is knowing asset or an opportunist, Russian electin meddling that involves promoting her is a problem.
OTHO, the problem of people like Stein and Gabbard can be solved by working for a humongous Democratic turnout in the 2020 general, and we should be working relentlessly for that anyway.
rikyrah
@Mnemosyne:
You can’t run the same con twice. We have all the receipts in the world on Stein and 2016.And, there will be no hesitation to pull them on Gabbard.
We have 4 years of what Dolt45 is…no squishy ‘ well, you don’t really know what he would be like as President’.
No, can’t run that con again.
And, if we can destroy Gabbard in the process and make sure that she’ll never win another office…good.
MJS
@cmorenc: That assumes that the media would have done to Ford what they did to Carter, i.e., attach every bad thing that happened directly to him. That’s not how Republicans are treated. For instance, I doubt very seriously that ABC would have had the nightly broadcast, “Day X – America Held Hostage” had Ford been president. All you need to look at is the different treatment Teflon Ron received the minute he took office to realize that with the media, it’s virtually never the Republican’s fault.
germy
NotMax
@Cacti
Pogo was more succinct about it.
;)
Captain C
@John Revolta: IIRC, her take for her seat in the House last quarter was something like negative 20 bucks. I don’t think she has much of a legit base (though some otherwise-reasonably-smart people I know are getting sucked in by her faux anti-war RT talking points).
glory b
@Mnemosyne: Time again for me to bring up the same suspicions I have about Pennsylvania. Gerrymandered (at the time) out of all proportion, yes, but of the last SEVEN statewide elections we’ve had only two Repub winners, Trump and Pat Toomey (senate). I’m suspicious.
One of the reasons we got in-gerrymandered, for Congressional elections at least, was because of the overwhelmingly Democratic judiciary we elected. They gave the Repubs a chance to draw a better map, when they didn’t the PA Supreme Court did it themselves.
jl
Also, I am guesstimating that he most recent dropped shoes, spilled beans and smoking guns on Trumpster-Ukraine crime spree is because the brain trust of Trump and Giuliani, and maybe Sondland, had the crazy notion that a quid pro quo that involved insane server conspiracy fantasies was not corrupt, while one that involved dirt on the Biden was corrupt.
Which seems very ignorant, stupid and crazy to me, but then given who these people are, that is probably the true explanation. Anyone think my reasoning is wrong on this?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
To steal a line from Frasier, it always reminds me of Bob Hope dressing up as the Fonz (yes, I am using a twenty year old TV show referring to a forty yearly TV show to make a joke about a 120 year old comedian’s rotting corpse to make that point, that Ari Melber looks like a needy wannabe when he references pop culture)
MSNBC’s continuing fascination with Michael Moore is a puzzlement. Even as a Bush-hating lib desperate to find similar voices in the early days of the Iraq War, I found Fahrenheit 911 tendentious to the point of dishonesty, especially the opening scene when he was banging on about the tragedy of the 2000 election which tragedy he was instru-fucking-mental in creating. Bleating sanctimonious asshole.
Crackers the Corporate-Crime Fighting Chicken was funny, though.
trollhattan
@Mary G:
Let him primary Donny. Fratricide among Republicans is welcome.
lollipopguild
@MJS: A modern day version of the movie “Scanners”.
Amir Khalid
I don’t quite see Tulsi Gabbard pulling a lot of voters away from the Democratic nominee if she runs third-party. She has has been largely a fringe candidate so far, not getting a lot of attention or support, and it doesn’t seem too likely to me that the Russian propaganda machine can spread enough bullshit to big her up to the point where she’s a likely spoiler in the race.
Mr B
The General on the right of Trump is doing Jenny’s prayer: “Dear God, make me a bird, so I can fly far, far far away from here”
MJS
@lollipopguild: Excellent reference.
glory b
@Betty Cracker: I don’t think he has that much of an audience, but he keeps getting pumped up on msnbc.
I thought read that his last movie did pretty badly, but I wouldn’t swear to it.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
“Get Over It” tee-shirts
Miss Bianca
@Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony: *blurgh* : (
KithKanan
@Bill Arnold:
One of mine really didn’t like being told that I consider their 2016 vote for Stein in Michigan to be a far more powerful vote for Trump than the vast majority of Trump supporters were able to cast.
Duane
@Mary G: The Rick Robert show from DFW has Trumpsters calling in saying how great the hatefest was last night. It is bizzaro world. One woman was crying. These people are nuts. Rorschach would throw the test out the window.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
To be fair, I think that’s how they bought off Jane. Bernie just got drunk on his own ego. And still hasn’t sobered up.
Fester Addams
@lgerard:
Thought balloon says “Must… not… strangle…”
John Revolta
@Amir Khalid: Yeahbut, when Bernie drops out of the race, and he will, where
are all the sad Bros gonna go?
Miss Bianca
@glory b: It’s particularly maddening in the case of Michael Moore, who some time ago in an interview made a big, big deal over how woke he was with hiring African-Americans as interns and staff, to the point where he flat-up made it sound like he wasn’t even *hiring* any white people. That raised my eyebrows. Wonder if it was true or if he was just bullshitting.
Hoodie
@jl: I have a hard time thinking that they actually believe that server nonsense. I think they’re just trying to spin the server investigation as the equivalent of the Mueller investigation “except on our side.” These guys do not have any particular allegiance to the truth. Truth is a transactional thing for Trump. It’s the truth if he can get enough people to believe it (how many times does Trump phrase things “A lot of people believe . . . “) and it serves some operational purpose, i.e., whattaboutism.
You can add Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Israel to the list of countries that probably have something on DJT.
Duane
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: “Heckuva job, Mickey!”
Marcopolo
@Duane: These folks just live in an entirely utterly different reality (QAnon anyone?). And for the most part there are no consequences for this. It’ll be their kids & grandkids who have to deal with all of the fallout from what Trump & the Rs are doing right now. Hell, even if something Trump & the Rs did made their lives worse today (arguably you could say this is the case w/ healthcare in the US) that will somehow get turned around so that the liberals & Ds are the real culprits.
In other news, John Kasich has come out in the past hour supporting impeachment.
Kasich calls for Trump’s impeachment
It might mean more if he actually had any leverage with current Republican congresspeople.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
hard to tell where the line/s is/are between crazy/stupid/lying with The Beast and his people. I suspect trump can convince himself of anything if he repeats it enough. Unfortunately, other people fall into it, too.
rp
@Amir Khalid: What if her role is not to siphon off real votes, but to give Russia a convenient place to park hacked votes? I’m semi-convinced that that’s what happened in WI, MI, and PA and Jill Stein’s votes in 2016.
jl
@Hoodie: Good chance that Trump and Giuliani are so far gone in the head that they actually believe both of the insane server conspiracy theories. But I certainly agree with you that people like Mulvaney, and even Perry (probably), are marginally smarter enough to know it’s nonsense. So, probably right that desperate people sold Trump on the idea to make the quid pro quo about the Crowdstrike server fantasy the cover story. But, still, their thinking is nutso. But maybe nutso is the best desperate people can do.
Bill Arnold
@germy:
I remain reasonably sure that there was outright vote tally manipulation in some safely Republican voting districts re the DeSantis and Scott statewide races. (Safely in that loyal Republicans, perhaps bribed or threatened or both, totally controlled the voting apparatus and could arrange for destruction of records like ballots if deemed necessary.)
The behavior of both of them prior to and after the election was extremely suspicious. Unless somebody talks (quite possible as a “copycat leak”), we’ll probably never know. Those pictures might encourage leaks particularly if requests for leaks are made by the press or others. (Risky perhaps, given the people involved, but many press outlets now have crypto-secure drops for leakers.)
The Moar You Know
@Hoodie: One of the problems with being the biggest dick on the block is that everybody will be gunning for your ass. I would assume every world government of any consequence at all has Trump’s kompromat, and whatever it is, American citizens are literally going to be the last people to know.
PJ
@Cacti: The Rosario Dawson who is dating Cory Booker? Interesting that she went from supporting a socialist to supporting a centrist Wall Street-friendly candidate.
SiubhanDuinne
Made my
dayweekmonthyearlife.Marcopolo
Impeachment is too important to leave to Congress — it’s going to take mass mobilization
I think this is spot on & there is more at the link. And I guess I should warn that the piece is by that well-know neo-liberal shill, Matthew Yglesias.
And to get you in the mood, it’s Friday, if you haven’t called your electeds this week do it now:
202-224-3121
rikyrah
@glory b:
And, I have believed you each and everytime you brought up Pennsylvania.
Omnes Omnibus
@rp: At least in Wisconsin, I say no. ID related voter suppression was more than enough.
FWIW I have been one of three people on this site beating this particular drum since the day after the election in 2016. Mnem and rikyrah are the other two.
germy
@PJ:
The heart wants what it wants.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@LuciaMia:
You can almost hear him thinking “This is the most humilating moment in my career”.
germy
@Bill Arnold:
DeSantis has changed his story so many times. I don’t think he expected this level of scrutiny.
Mary G
Hoocoodanode:
Marcopolo
@Omnes Omnibus: Not sure what constitutes beating a drum, but I’ve also made this argument on this site, while including other states (OH, GA, FL anyone?) whose election officials have engaged in activities like voter caging and “routine voter roll maintenance” to knock D leaning lower income/POC off of voting rolls. Maybe I was just playing a fife?
Hoodie
@The Moar You Know: Yes, but I would think Trump is particularly vulnerable in this respect. He has had significant dealings in Saudi Arabia and Turkey before becoming president and, given his demonstrated amorality and lack of impulse control, they may have provided opportunities to express himself, so to speak. The Israelis may have come across it using other means, but they tend to be good at that sort of thing.
Immanentize
Has anyone yet commented on the fact that the US military is now just a mercenary private army?
Trump claims the reason that stationing troops in Saudi Arabia is AOK is because Saudi Arbia is paying for them.
No mission.
No strategic purpose
Entirely transactional
Mercenaries.
mrmoshpotato
@John Revolta: Duckduckgo browser.
eclare
@rikyrah: I believe it too, something happened in PA.
Emerald
@Mnemosyne: That’s pretty much what Hillary says in the podcast. She says this election is far from a slam dunk because they are already gearing up to do the same thing again, and there’s a very good chance that it will work again.
She says the Russians need the third party candidate to win. Thinks it might be Tulsi (although she never mentions the name) but it could be Stein again. Says that Stein is definitely a Russian asset and always was.
Gawd, I love that woman. (Hillary, not Stein)
Ruckus
@catclub:
They feel like victims because they know what they are doing. And are seeing signs that people are finally seeing that as well. And they have been told that money is everything since childhood and they believed it. Taking away that competitive part of being wealthy is like cutting off their right nut. You know the important one for them. That competitive part that tells them that having all the money in the world would be grand, stupendous, glorious and cool.
rp
@Omnes Omnibus: That was absolutely part of it.
BTW, conversations about what happened after the 2000 election, particularly Bush v. Gore, drive me a little crazy, because the real story barely gets discussed, even by liberals: massive suppression of AA voters in Florida before and during the election.
Ruckus
@cmorenc:
It’s nice to think what if but none of what you wrote happened, and while it might have, it might have also gone a lot worse. What if hitler had never been born? What if Robert Kennedy hadn’t been killed? What if trump had never been on lack of reality TV?
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: There’ve been more than a few people who have made – or at least endorsed – that point around this joint.
Duane
@Marcopolo: There are 10,000 people on the “ID maintenance” list in my Missouri county. This state is turning flip-flops over their imaginary voter fraud, and intentionally or not are disenfranchising thousands of voters. I was on the list because of one letter in my name. Had to go to the clerk’s office to finally fix it.
Gravenstone
I can barely imagine the angry tweetstorm that will result when Trump learns about what Hillary said about him. I also expect incandescent responses from Stein and Gabbard. Not that her characterizations of any of them are in the slightest way incorrect.
Ruckus
@Amir Khalid:
Do remember that there are millions in this country that pay little attention to politics and more who think that all politicians are the same. That may be more difficult to do now than it has in the past, if for no other reason, trump has proven that he’s not like many other assholes in this world, he’s far worse.
Immanentize
@Ruckus:
But it is true that President Ford appointed Justice Stevens. Things were not ass-insane yet with Ford.
Omnes Omnibus
@Marcopolo: I wasn’t suggesting that no one else had acknowledged the issue.
Ruckus
@Miss Bianca:
Go with bullshitting, it’s a safer bet.
Immanentize
@Miss Bianca:
Well, there is always belt and suspenders rationality. Why rely on only one if both work. And might work best together? In other words, voter suppression (clear) does not preclude outright vote manipulation (really unclear). But some bad stuff was happening.
Ballot box 13 and all.
rikyrah
@Mary G:
Maddow knew. She’s been onto him since the beginning.
rikyrah
@Immanentize:
I saw this brought up directly in a tweet.
Yet ANOTHER thing that the Democrats should be screaming from the rooftops, while they snatch away the National Security club from the GOP.
NotMax
@Immanentize
Distinctly remember reading at the time that Stevens was way too far to the right and signaled a shift of the points on the spectrum beyond which one wouldn’t be considered for a Supreme Court seat.
That Overton window is a beeyatch.
Immanentize
@Ruckus:
Ha! In that same interview that Moore claimed he was only hiring people of color, he did add that being as it was, he would never allow his daughter to marry one of them.
rikyrah
@glory b:
And, I put on the tinfoil hat and will bring you back to the elections in Kansas the previous year. The results NEVER corresponded with every damn poll taken up until election time. I will forever believe it was the test run for 2016.
Immanentize
@NotMax:
Stevens was only righty in a 1975 sort of way. But I agree that was the window back then.
That was the year Queen released Night at the Opera
Mnemosyne
@germy:
This is my surprised face. ?
The election in Florida was VERY suspicious, as was the one in Georgia. I sometimes wonder if Stacey Abrams is trying to line up incontrovertible proof that she was cheated and that’s why she’s not running for Senate.
Immanentize
@Mnemosyne:
I wish that were true. But Abrams seems like a look forward not back politician.
Sadly
Omnes Omnibus
@Miss Bianca: There is a reason I mentioned the day after the election.
Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony
@KithKanan:
One of my friends said blaming voters was ‘blaming the victim’. F-ing ridiculous lengths to not take responsibility for contributing to the mess we are in.
NotMax
@Immanentize
Also the year Convoy hit #1.
Ugh.
Immanentize
@rikyrah:
At the very least, the House should be having hearing on the Saudi “Mission.”. Or is it better to wait until 2020?
Ruckus
@Immanentize:
Ford wasn’t trump or even GWB. I doubt that anyone would have voted for a trump level asshole back then. It’s taken the history since then to get here. Not that it couldn’t have taken a different tack but history rarely goes that far off the rails in one fell swoop. There is a buildup, or in where we are now a build down to get there. Hillary didn’t (couldn’t?) convince enough people in 08 but she actually did in 16. She was the same person but a better candidate. She learned. And history showed that sometimes is not enough, damn it all.
germy
@Mnemosyne: I think she wants to make sure it never happens again. I hope she succeeds.
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: Well, OK. It’s a fair cop.
@Immanentize: Ah, so someone else saw that interview I’m thinking of? I couldn’t be bothered to try to find it, so I’m glad to hear that!
germy
She’s starting to sound like trump.
That’s what hobnobbing with tucker carlson does to a person.
Marcopolo
@Duane: I am glad you found out with enough time to make it clear to them to take your name off the list, but I’m also curious how you found out about the list in the first place. Did they send you a notice that you were on it? Also, did they give a list of reasons why people were put on the list in the first place?
I think this may have been mentioned in a thread at some point over the past week or so but here is the latest attempt by the OH SoS (who is a Republican) to purge OH’s voter rolls.
Ohio Was Set To Purge About 235,000 Voters. It Was Wrong About 20%.
Mary G
In response, Tulsi has put up a tweet thread that is batshit insane.
ETA: germy beat me.
Gravenstone
@Omnes Omnibus: Oi! I chime in occasionally.
NotMax
@germy
I believe the medical term is “struck a nerve.”
;)
Mary G
Tulsi ends with:
Do, it, Hillary!
germy
@NotMax: A hit dog will holler.
germy
@Mary G: Why do these people sound like Batman villains?
MisterForkbeard
@germy: Jesus, that’s an insane rant from a crazy person.
Especially when Hillary is factually correct. Russian bots HAVE pushed Gabbard’s candidacy.
ETA: @Mary G: Holy shit, it got EVEN CRAZIER?
Marcopolo
@Mnemosyne: @Immanentize: In case anyone wants to check out what Stacey’s group Fair Fight 2020 has been up to, would like to volunteer for them, or throw them some dough, here’s the link to the webpage: Fair Fight 2020
Gravenstone
@germy: Ooh, ooh, ooh! We’re gonna blame it all on the mighty Clinton Machine? Better watch your back Tulsi, she’s got quite the kill list.
rikyrah
@Marcopolo:
Thanks for posting that. I had seen it before, not but here.
Mary G
Not to mention, Tulsi’s RCP polling average is 1.2%, with ten candidates in front of her. My theory is that Vlad can’t get Hillary out of his head, he hates her so much.
rikyrah
@Mary G:
the thing is…Hillary didn’t even say her name…
There are a number of female candidates running…
WHY did she think it was her?
Uh huh
Uh huh
cain
@PJ:
Yeah, it’s called supporting the person you love.
Mary G
@rikyrah: I think we know. The same Russian bots and trolls that pushed Jill Stein are all in for Tulsi. This was stupid; she’s admitted it’s her.
Miss Bianca
@rikyrah:
You’re DAMN right, LOL!
“Queen of Warmongers,” forsooth!
Mary G
The Moar You Know
@Mary G: I went to a college famous for a lot of recreational drug usage and never heard anything one-tenth this crazy.
Of course, in her ravings she’s given away the game. Hillary joining the race is what every Republican and Russian ratfucker has been praying for since the polls closed in 2016. I hear that she’s jumping in “any day now” from my Trump-loving co-workers every day. That idea is not coming out of nowhere.
Problem for them is, we’ve got some decent candidates and Hillary seems quite content where she is.
Captain C
Unlike him (and his poodle Deadbeat Donnie), she came by her money and success relatively honestly.
Gin & Tonic
@Mary G: I’m not going to read her feed. Does she deny being a Russian asset? Does she categorically disavow any intention of running third-party?
Mary G
“Blacks” for Trump??
Mary G
@Gin & Tonic: I don’t follow her, so I don’t know. I saw these on other peoples’ tweets and have no desire to read any more.
Elizabelle
Peeps: WRT Tulsi: do not forget what the FTF NYTimes has been doing, just this week.
They ran a pro-Tulsi article by a “freelance writer from Indianapolis” who just happens to be connected to Mike Pence (paid staff; a digital director), the Federalist Society, the Heritage Foundation, you name it.
Without disclosing her connections, as this freelancer scolded Democrats for insufficient outreach to Republicans.
J R in WV
@Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony:
Hi Sister Machine Gun… are you any kin to Sister Rail Gun??
Mary G
ETA sorry, ignore this duplicate. I’m an idiot.
Captain C
@Elizabelle: At this point, I have to wonder if a significant percentage of Times staffers are hoping for a revolution so they can be first up against the wall.
Elizabelle
@Captain C: I am thinking about all the derision Trump directs at Peter Strzok.
Who would be following Tulsi and other Russian assets, were he still on the FBI payroll. Which he’s not, and so many excellent government professionals are not, because Trump and his cronies have fired or driven them out.
I hope the FBI and Intelligence Community are investigating, too, and can protect us. Obviously, voting is most important. But this is a multi-faceted attack.
Mary G
Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony
@J R in WV: Nope.. but I’ve used that nom on this site since the aughts. I’ve been on a tear lately, but mostly I’ll post once every few months.
J R in WV
@germy:
What a despicable piece of trash !!
Not you, germy! Tulsi G. Walking, ranting, perverted despicable piece of crap.
Sloane Ranger
Gabbard has already responded in a tweet. I don’t have a link but it was read out by Jake Tapper during “The Lead “. She was indeed incandescent. She accused Hillary of being a lying corrupt war monger, the shadowy head of a Democratic party that had sold out its base and was trying to smear her to undermine her campaign. She ended by challenging Hilary to run again.
This is a pale shadow of the actual tweet. It was so OTT that my immediate response was methinks the lady doeth protest too much.
Tapper and his pundits were very po faced. Serious allegation, shouldn’t have been made without supporting evidence.
Mary G
The butthurt about Tulsi is from all the usual suspects: Griftwald, Jill Stein (who wants to debate Hillary), Michael Tracey and Aaron Mate.
Fair Economist
I’m starting to think Hillary is doing what many of us hoped: maintain a relatively high profile but not actually run, and suck much of the oxygen out of the RW smear machine by attracting a lot of attention and invective, which then can’t be directed at our actual candidates.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Mary G:
That’s a real curious set of accusations for someone claiming to be a serious Democrat.
trollhattan
@Mary G:
Hillary has a proxy? Who ‘dat?
I want a proxy! [stamps feet] M-F/8-5. Weekends and evenings off.
Cacti
@Mary G:
So basically, all of the Kremlin assets/useful idiots who are allegedly on the political left.
Nelle
@Immanentize: @rikyrah: Agree. Signed, a native Kansan
J R in WV
I looked up the real Democratic candidate for that district in HI — then logged into ActBlue and hit Kai up with a donation, just to spite Kommerade Tulsi for being a Russian Nesting Doll agent person.
J R in WV
@Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony:
Well, Sister Machine Gun, Sister Rail Gun, you can see why I asked. So don’t be a stranger!
Miss Bianca
@Fair Economist: Wow, isn’t that be an awesome prospect! Our elder stateswomen, HRC and Nancy Pelosi – show us how we take back the electoral night, ladies!
Marcopolo
@J R in WV: This is a truly excellent idea that I just seconded. Here’s a link to give to Kai Kahele: Elect Kai Kahele & Fire Tulsi Gabbard
mrmoshpotato
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
Totally. “F you fellow Democrat who’s been in the party for decades!”
Ummm….what?
mrmoshpotato
@trollhattan: Haha. What’s the proxy’s cut?
mrmoshpotato
@Betty Cracker: Thank you for posting the Campaign HQ podcast link to their Hillary interview.
Great hour-long discussion. I especially liked when they talked about how “No puppet. No puppet. You’re the puppet.” was handled. A better moderator would’ve brought up that Hillary just leveled a serious charge against her opponent. It’s an injustice that they didn’t.
Duane
@Marcopolo: Long story. I received notice two years ago from the county clerk about a name discrepancy. Filled out the form and got a new card. Two months ago another notice same problem, went to the office. Politely but firmly made my point, asked some questions, the helpful employee told me about the list, and how they changed systems recently. Something called ERIK. Clerk heard all this came out to talk. He was nice but started talking about ID theft. Irolled my eyes, said thanks and left. Meant to follow up on info haven’t yet. The situation is ridiculous.
J R in WV
So on a twit thread, Tulsi attacks Secretary of State and popularly elected President of the US, Hillary Clinton. People are on both sides in the thread, but one in particular pretends Gabbard was heroic for working in a hospital in Iraq(?) or over in the ‘stans somewhere.
I’m sorry, I enlisted at the point of a gun and served hoisting torpedoes onto my sub-tender with a crane — in Key West. Took calm hands and all that, but hardly heroic, nor was Tulsi’s work in a hospital. But being a Clinton in public running for office while RWNJs accuse one of horrific BS, that takes more courage than Ms Gabbard could muster in her whole life.
Well, maybe… how much courage does being a Russian agent take?? We haven’t shot any in years now, woah, maybe that’s the problem? Not enough danger in the role!
johnnybuck
Reads like Ayn Rand prose
patrick II
@PJ:
Bernie never took her to dinner and a movie.
Kathleen
@rikyrah: I’ll always believe Ohio was stolen in 2004 and there were still too many Democrats who did not want to believe or acknowledge it. There was a bigger push to review it, however. Conyers came to Ohio. Barbara Boxer sponsored Rep Stephanie Tubbs Jones’ challenge to the electoral vote on the House floor. But most Dems and media (of course) were reluctant to discuss it. Dems have come a long way.
Kathleen
@Marcopolo: I check my voter registration at least once a month. (Ohio)
Elizabelle
@Kathleen: I think so too.
I wish we could have proof and a reckoning for some of these thefts They are …. rather one-sided, aren’t they?
Kathleen
Always one-sided. And the media never want to talk about them either.
Another Scott
@Marcopolo: Donated.
Thanks.
Only 17+ days until Virginia’s elections. Here’s hoping for a blowout!!
Cheers,
Scott.
(((CassandraLeo)))
@Bill Arnold: I’ve been speculating since 2018’s results came in that Florida’s races were both stolen, and since 2016’s results came in that the presidency was stolen (along with numerous other offices that year). I have gone into pretty great detail before about why electronic voting machines in particular are completely untrustworthy and any district that uses them can be safely assumed to be rigging its elections. (Sadly, I’m barely even exaggerating. Children as young as ten have hacked them in as few as ten minutes. Google “Defcon Voting Village” if you want the gory details.) Voter suppression is also, of course, a massive factor, as others have already noted. And does anyone remember those ballots that got “misplaced” in Miami-Dade County until it was too late to count them? I’ve never bought that story for a second. I always thought that was deliberate.
I wonder if the resurfacing of these photos of DeSantis is either a warning to him from what I assume must be his handlers or a hint that more shoes are about to drop. Andrew Gillum’s grandma was certainly right that a hit dog will holler, at any rate.
I will never be convinced those results were legit. The polling was too far off, compared to how it was in most other states aside from Georgia (which also obviously wasn’t legit – and they use electronic voting machines throughout the whole state, and see above). We have a lot of racists in this state, but not enough to explain the difference.
Anyway, sooner or later I think we’re going to learn there were shenanigans here in 2018, just as I think we’ve yet to learn the full extent of the 2016 shenanigans. I think that probably not only did the Russians access voter rolls in all 50 states (as we now know they did, despite authorities’ initial – entirely unconvincing – denial of this), but that they altered either voter rolls or vote totals (or both) in at least some of them. The “Clinton votes were changed to Stein votes” hypothesis seems entirely plausible. This by no means would absolve anyone who was stupid and selfish enough to vote for Stein in a swing state, but it would mean there were a lot fewer stupid, selfish people than many of us have long believed.
Ceterum censeo factionem Republicanam esse delendam.