Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

I conferred with the team and they all agree – still not tired of winning!

“woke” is the new caravan.

Stop using mental illness to avoid talking about armed white supremacy.

They fucked up the fucking up of the fuckup!

DeSantis transforms Florida into 1930s Germany with gators and theme parks.

It may be funny to you motherfucker, but it’s not funny to me.

“And when the Committee says to “report your income,” that could mean anything!

I’d hate to be the candidate who lost to this guy.

Is it negotiation when the other party actually wants to shoot the hostage?

You can’t attract Republican voters. You can only out organize them.

You cannot shame the shameless.

And we’re all out of bubblegum.

Fani Willis claps back at Trump chihuahua, Jim Jordan.

New McCarthy, same old McCarthyism.

Trump’s legal defense is going to be a dumpster fire inside a clown car on a derailing train.

They’re not red states to be hated; they are voter suppression states to be fixed.

Jack Smith: “Why did you start campaigning in the middle of my investigation?!”

I’d like to think you all would remain faithful to me if i ever tried to have some of you killed.

Do not shrug your shoulders and accept the normalization of untruths.

Never entrust democracy to any process that requires republicans to act in good faith.

Let me eat cake. The rest of you could stand to lose some weight, frankly.

I did not have this on my fuck 2022 bingo card.

Let us savor the impending downfall of lawless scoundrels who richly deserve the trouble barreling their way.

Anyone who bans teaching American history has no right to shape America’s future.

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  1. 1.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    This is a lie with more than 3,000 retweets as of Friday afternoon, and hundreds of people responding to lap it up.

    I looked at that Tweet, the CDS is strong with that one.

  3. 3.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Not CDS. Bad phrasing. Really bad. The follow ups:

    The idea that anyone might realistically be criminally prosecuted over Hillary’s boneheaded e-mail server was always a ludicrous fever dream pushed by people either ignorant of the law and DOJ practice, or exploiting the ignorance of others.

    What the linked article actually says is that “some” of the 38 could face “disciplinary action,” which is how screwups of this kind are handled in the real world.

    Original lie now over 4,000 — which, of course, is why people fabricate stuff. The truth is rather boring.

  4. 4.

    OzarkHillbilly

    Repeat comment from last thread:

    The state representative Nicole Collier, chair of the Texas legislature’s criminal jurisprudence committee and vice-chair of the black caucus, said the shooting raised questions about the quality of police training, which often emphasizes an officer’s safety over the welfare of the public.

    “Unfortunately, to become a cosmetologist is the same amount of time that it is to become a police officer,” she said. “Basic police officers take 720 hours but to become a cosmetologist is 1,000 hours.”

    From.

  6. 6.

    OzarkHillbilly

    Oh Gawd…. I am looking for cheap magnetic Russian flags with which to troll the loud and proud trumpistas out here. Look at this first Amazon search page. Scroll down…

    *Amazon* gets it, I wonder if the GOP ever will.

    ** I suspect it is an algorithmically driven search result, but I am totally ignorant of how those things work. Maybe it’s just magic.

  7. 7.

    Betty Cracker

    Tropical Storm Nestor has been parked over Florida all night. We needed the rain. I wonder how bad the dirt road out of the swamp will be? Maybe I’ll just stay home until it dries out.

  9. 9.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    The State Department has completed its internal investigation into former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s use of private email.

    588 violations were found.

    38 people could face criminal charges.

    This is the Tweet from the jackhole with CDS, dude loves Trump.

  11. 11.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Betty Cracker: A good idea. Whenever it snows/ices out here, we always figure to wait a day or 2 after the storm has passed to give any black ice a chance to melt away.

  12. 12.

    TS (the original)

    Somewhere I caught this link – here or someplace else

    Secretary Michael R. Pompeo With NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg

    Pompeo is talking trump lies and refusing to answer questions about trump statements viz

    QUESTION: Secretary Pompeo, President Trump earlier today in remarks about Syria said that the U.S. has taken control of all the oil, quote, “that everybody was worried about.” Can you explain where this oil is, how the U.S. is controlling it, especially if troops withdraw?
    SECRETARY POMPEO: I didn’t see those President’s statements today that you suggested.

    QUESTION: Mr. Secretary, President Trump today spoke about countries taking back foreign fighters. Can you say specifically which countries are taking back, and is the U.S. doing anything to facilitate that ….. And which countries are they? Which countries are taking them back?
    SECRETARY POMPEO: Yeah, I don’t want to get into details. We’re hopeful that every country that has persons detained in these camps will accept those back into their country

    Why does any country have any faith in or believe anything said by this administration

  16. 16.

    RAVEN

    I got a letter the 15th telling me my wife was no longer covered by the system health care. I retired and switched to Medicare and a supplement that the system subsidizes and she was supposed to stay on their regular plan. I’ve been on the horn with the admin people and they tell me that she will “probably” be reinstated without a break in coverage but it sucks right now not knowing.

  17. 17.

    NotMax

    New to Netflix as of yesterday – Toon (trailers for seasons 1 & 2 here). What is it? A sitcom in search of message? A takedown of life in the digital age? A nebbishcentric pilgrimage? A Dutch shaggy dog story? A sweet ‘n’ sour sundae? After the first few episodes, damned if I know. So low key that if it was a musical instrument it would make a double bassoon sound like a piccolo. Not a recommendation so much as a “check it out.”

    Speaking of Netflix, four-color aficionados (and the four-color curious), rejoice. Coming there at some as yet unspecified time in the future is an animated version of Jeff Smith’s opus.

    Switching gears, although already linked to it in an earlier random thread, thought it yummy fun enough to merit another mention on a lazy weekend morn.

  22. 22.

    Betty Cracker

    @RAVEN: Sounds like the error was on their side, if you were led to believe she could maintain coverage if you switched to subsidized Medicare. Hope they come through for you. Dealing with insurance bullshit sucks balls.

  23. 23.

    RAVEN

    @Betty Cracker: That’s what our HR person and the rep from the council on aging tell us. Deep down I think it will work out but, until it does, she’s not covered. The wheels of justice. . .

  30. 30.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Betty Cracker: This from the article tells the tale:

    One of the sources tell CNN that Pompeo was alerted to internal and external concerns about Giuliani’s effort to push out Yovanovitch, but Pompeo failed to act — he was wary of getting too deeply involved over fears of derailing US-Ukraine policy and potentially sharing the fate of his former colleague John Bolton, Trump’s national security adviser who was fired for not being aligned with the President.

    “It’s not my fault I’m a gutless weasel more interested in keeping my cushy job than I am in protecting those I lead.”

  31. 31.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @MagdaInBlack: Heh, I never noticed how much it cost, just how ridiculous it looked. There was another trump item on the page too… Xmas ornament? Never went to the 2nd page. Dawg only knows what was there.

  37. 37.

    TS (the original)

    @Betty Cracker: I have no thoughts, prayers or sympathy for anyone foolish or stupid enough to be a political appointee working for Donald Trump. Poor little ones – can dish it out but not take any well deserved criticism.

    What really irks me – President Obama NEVER reverted to attacking previous administrators for any reason. This lot continue to blame any of their failings on President Obama – like Hillary Clinton, he lives inside their heads.

  39. 39.

    BretH

    Curious that Fox has no mention of the email story on it’s “front page”. Searching for it brought it up – and surprise! 99% of the story is about how bad it is and how the emails have dogged Clinton while the very last paragraph mentions that there was no “evidence” of systematic mishandling.

    And yes, evidence is in quotes.

  41. 41.

    Original Lee

    Too late for the downstairs Tulsi thread, but some MAGAT acquaintances were talking about Tulsi making more sense the more they heard from her, so I went to some of the web pages I had bookmarked back In January to show them some of the crazy stuff that would turn them off, and those pages have been scrubbed. Plus, her Wikipedia page has been completely rewritten. Shame on me for not saving screenshots. I think this shows interference by Someone, but alas, does not help my argument at all.

  42. 42.

    Jeffro

    @OzarkHillbilly: I saw a few trumpov-related things after the first several rows of Russian stuff. (Here’s hoping I don’t now get bombarded with web ads for all kinds of gross trumpista things)

    On a related note (since I saw it in those same Amazon listings)…I did not realize that the black/white American flag with one blue stripe through it was a ‘Blue Lives Matter’ symbol. I’ve seen more than a few here in central VA. Signaling, always signaling with these people.

    Speaking of ‘signaling’ (and then I will shut up)…one time while we driving back from soccer practice, after we had seen several tea party license plates in a row, my son asked me what the Democratic version was (and yes, we’d had enough discussions to that point where he knew ‘tea party’ = ‘embarrassed Republican/racist’). I told him that every regular license plate was the Democratic version: just regular ol’ good governance. He liked that. =)

  43. 43.

    SFAW

    @TS (the original):

    What really irks me – President Obama NEVER reverted to attacking previous administrators for any reason. This lot continue to blame any of their failings on President Obama – like Hillary Clinton, he lives inside their heads.

    Rethug admins (almost) always blame previous Dem administrations for any/all problems, for at least two or three years. And, in the case of the Traitor-in-Chief, he also blames Hillary.

  45. 45.

    TS (the original)

    @SFAW:

    for at least two or three years

    trump will be doing it until he dies – even if he gets impeached and/or loses the 2020 election and/or resigns

  47. 47.

    germy

    Susan Rice, who was a disaster to President Obama as National Security Advisor, is now telling us her opinion on what to do in Syria. Remember RED LINE IN THE SAND? That was Obama. Millions killed! No thanks Susan, you were a disaster.— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 19, 2019

    Then why did you come up and hug me at 2015 WHCD when I’d never met you (which was totally gross) and whisper in my ear that I had been “very unfairly treated” over Benghazi and “was doing a great job for the country”? https://t.co/HG3SU2gfrE— Susan Rice (@AmbassadorRice) October 19, 2019

  48. 48.

    Barbara

    @RAVEN: I don’t know your specific plan terms, but legally, retirement is a qualifying event that triggers the right for dependents to obtain COBRA benefits. However, they were supposed to tell you that and give forms.

  50. 50.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Jeffro:

    I did not realize that the black/white American flag with one blue stripe through it was a ‘Blue Lives Matter’ symbol.

    Aha! I’d been wondering about that and meaning to google it. Thanx.

  52. 52.

    TS (the original)

    @germy: Will he never stop – repulsive, sub human and general ahole. He really will be responsible for millions killed both within and without the US – it’s always projection with this imbecile.

  54. 54.

    SFAW

    @germy:

    Interesting that Fuckhead forgot who the REAL disaster was as NSA. You know, the one who was NSA in the months leading up to 9/11? The one who was supposed to make sure the intelligence agencies communicated with each other, BUT SOMEHOW FORGOT TO DO THAT?

    Of course, Jamie Gorelick was a convenient scapegoat, since blaming Condi Rice might have been problematic for W.

  55. 55.

    What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?

    @OzarkHillbilly: I say when we win in 2020 we raise a find and buy one way tickets to Russia for everyone who bought a “better Russian than Democrat” t shirt or other paraphernalia expressing similar sentiments.

    Tell them get on the plane or spend the next 4 years under investigation for betrayal of the USA. If it’s better to be Russian then put your money where your mouth is chumps and go be Russian.

  56. 56.

    Mike J

    @Original Lee: The old version of the wikipedia page should still be available. Click view history at the top of the page. You can also see what users made the changes. Was it one person who totally rewrote it, or several different users who each made small changes?

  57. 57.

    sheila in nc

    @SFAW: You know what is really funny at this point? As I recall, part of the reason Condi was caught flat-footed by 9/11 is that she was convinced the real problem was — Russia.

  58. 58.

    arrieve

    @RAVEN: I had something similar — at least you got a letter. I retired in August of last year and stayed on the company health plan as I’m not yet eligible for Medicare. I left on a trip to Rwanda, where I got very sick and had to come home early. The insurance company meanwhile had changed my status to Terminated rather than Retired. I only found out when I was in an ambulance on my way to the emergency room with a suspected heart attack and they said, BTW, your insurance card doesn’t work.

    It wasn’t a heart attack thankfully — the Africa illness had affected my heart — but I spent three nights in the cardiac unit and trying to get my insurance mess straightened out while running up $45K in bills did not do my heart any favors. I have great insurance coverage, but the system needs to go.

  59. 59.

    Ramalama

    I never understood anything about Tulsi Gabbard. Like why is she running?

    Then Glenn Greenwald is starting to retweet her and or tweet her statements about X. Which gets me suspicious because, well, either he’s fallen down the rabbit hole or I have, and when he gets going on a subject, he doubles down.

    Greg Olear writes a cogent and damning thread on her … cult:

    Tulsi is used to being a puppet. She grew up in an actual cult. Worse, she has not disavowed her leader, a hateful weirdo. THREAD.

  60. 60.

    Leto

    Guess who just picked up a major endorsement?

    I have covered politics for 30yrs. Never has there been a Democratic presidential candidate endorsed by brutal dictators and alt-right neo-Nazis and KKK.#IamTulsi Gabbard is endorsed by
    ~Bashar al-Assad
    ~David Duke
    ~Richard Spencer
    ~Steve Bannon
    ~Tucker Carlson
    So is Trump.— Victoria Brownworth??? (@VABVOX) October 19, 2019

  61. 61.

    debbie

    This Gabbard tweet from the previous thread:

    … powerful allies in the corporate media and war machine, afraid of the threat I pose. It’s now clear that this primary is between you and me. Don’t cowardly hide behind your proxies. Join the race directly.— Tulsi Gabbard (@TulsiGabbard) October 18, 2019

    “Don’t cowardly hide….” Isn’t that how a Russian would write that phrase?

  62. 62.

    Betty Cracker

    @OzarkHillbilly: I’d bet the farm that bastard Pompeo has presidential ambitions and thought the SoS gig would be a stepping stone to that. He’s not the first wingnut jerkwad who thought he was smart enough to control Trump, but while Trump is truly an idiot, he understands dominance displays as well as any other primate, so tough luck, Mikey. The only good thing about this entire debacle is that it is discrediting a generation of the very worst wingnuts.

  65. 65.

    JR

    At this point, foreign influence in our political process is merely a given. I don’t think Clinton’s instincts are right here. She should keep her nose out of the primaries. Gabbard will burn out on her own. She has negligible support as it is.

  67. 67.

    Kay

    Michael Birnbaum
    @michaelbirnbaum
    ·23h
    I asked European Council President Donald Tusk whether it was appropriate to spend EU funds on a Trump business at next year’s G7 summit. “Not at all,” he said.

    This is going to be the real humiliation for the US – other countries and entities will have higher standards on corruption and self-dealing that may bar them from using public funds to pay the Trump Family to stay at their resort.

    We’ll be too corrupt to pass their national laws and standards.

    If you hire lots and lots of low quality people you have a low quality organization. There is no magical way to avoid this result. The thing is a sum of its parts. If you have 100 employees and 1 of them is a bad hire that is better than an entity with 100 employees where 80 of them are bad hires. The quality has slipped because we hired bad people.

  68. 68.

    Leto

    The fact that it is 11 hours after David Duke endorsed @TulsiGabbard and she still has not publicly renounced it, says something.— Eliza Stewart (@elizastewart_3) October 19, 2019

    Didn’t think Tulip Gazpacho would be the KKK’s first choice, but this is the reality we live in.

    Edit: @debbie: I saw that David Duke was trending on Twitter, wondered why, and then just shook my head…

  69. 69.

    RAVEN

    @Barbara: Yea and when I go to the my account there is a COBRA link but she’s not listed. The letter informing me of the coverage change also says you can make changes for 30 days so I’m on it like white on rice.

  72. 72.

    Betty Cracker

    @Kay: You’re right, it is humiliating, but I was glad to see this:

    Trump will probably just steal the money from the military or something like he’s done for the vanity wall, but if the Dems are smart, they’ll make a HUGE stink out of it. It’s a great pportunity to show Trump up as the corrupt piece of shit he is.

    ETA: We know Trump is already pouring millions of taxpayer dollars into his own pockets via the golf trips (literally a third of his presidency!) at self-branded resorts. Anyone know why that isn’t federal funding subject to House appropriations oversight?

  73. 73.

    Zinsky

    The fact that this “Hillary’s e-mails” canard continues to roil on, almost seven years after she left public office shows the gullibility and tenacious stupidity of Trump’s supporters. I always want to ask my Republican friends, “What exactly are you expecting to find in Hillary’s e-mails – detailed plans on how to build a nuclear bomb that Hillary sent to Kim Jung Un??” A large number of Hillary’s e-mails are still out on Wikileaks here:

    https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/

    I have read through several hundred of them and for Gods sakes, these are some of the most boring e-mails you can imagine! Terse, administrative and tedious, these e-mails are the Biggest Nothingburger since the Whitewater farce! Tell your dumbass conservative friends to actually go read these e-mails and they will soon realize what a non-issue this is! Senator Charles Grassley should be sued personally and required to personally pay for this incredible waste of our tax dollars!!

  74. 74.

    Betty Cracker

    @JR: I think Clinton was laying down a marker. Gabbard was already squawking about the DNC being rigged against her, and now she can’t run as a third party candidate without making Clinton look prescient.

  75. 75.

    germy

    Did Trump really give his middle finger to one of the spacewalking female astronauts, or does he always rub his forehead with his middle finger extended?

    Trump seriously hates being schooled by women. After this female astronaut corrects his claim, he looks around, sighs audibly, and then uses his middle finger to “scratch” his head. Really?
    Source video (2:00m mark)https://t.co/uLsvWLXHjd#TrumpMeltdown #ImpeachThePres #MAGA pic.twitter.com/o28XDbe9ii— Emily (@Raelyk) October 18, 2019

  77. 77.

    Leto

    Trump describing ethnic cleansing as a school yard fight b/w Turks & Kurds is more white nationalism. To him, they are just juvenile people of color, not real nations or informed adults like us. If they kill each other, it’s alright.— Rev. Dr. William J. Barber II (@RevDrBarber) October 19, 2019

  79. 79.

    Ken

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Trump awarded the G7 to his resort in Doral – without telling anyone in Doral

    They must have used the “secret shopper” approach to choose which of the twelve candidate sites would get the nod.

  80. 80.

    Kay

    @Betty Cracker:

    The House Ds already had an inquiry started into the process by which the Doral was chosen, so I’m hoping Mulvaney’s very specific lies about looking at “12” other venues and rejecting them will be exposed.

    There are probably lots of countries and organizations who are not permitted to use funds to pay a political leader. This is pretty bedrock ant-corruption stuff. No payments to a political leader. Our country will allow this level of corruption, but theirs will not.

    I’m kind of glad he did it. Obviously they’ve been self-dealing with all these properties using public funds but this one is so blatant and easy to understand that it can be used politically and will reach “normal” people. They really aren’t untouchable. They’ve fired several Trump hires for blatant and politically damaging corruption. They can be reached.

    Timing is good too- isn’t this thing in the summer of 2020?

  81. 81.

    Marcopolo

    @Kay: I was thinking about the Doral announcement yesterday. Sure there is the corruption/grift angle to hosting the G7 there next year but I’d argue that just as important was Trump getting his psychopathic dominance jollies off by forcing all of the G7 countries & their leaders to kowtow to him. I haven’t seen this angle discussed much but you know with Trump there is always a personal retributive element to things.

    Also, good morning folks.

  82. 82.

    Kay

    @Betty Cracker:

    Tulsi is using the genius Bernie strategy- the goal is to alienate all the people who voted for Hillary Clinton in the 2016 primary and general.

    That that group consists of the majority of Democrats is not a concern of these master strategists. Who needs them?

  83. 83.

    cmorenc

    But Hillary just destroyed Tulsi’s potential usefulness. If Tulsi tries to run third party, she will be viewed as just as compromised as Stein.

    The fact that Stein’s only possible contribution to the 2016 election was as a spoiler diluting the not-Trump vote didn’t prevent stupidly idealistic “both mnajor parties are too corrupt to support” folks from voting for her.

    Why do you think the sort of nitwit who would have even considered voting for Tulsi will be persuaded by an allegation made by a member of the presumptively corrupt, mendacious political establishment such as Clinton? The sort of voter who would consider voting for Tulsi or Jill Stein isn’t “woke” enough from their idealistic fever-dreams to listen to any practical facts. They’re too absorbed in chasing unicorn farts to listen sensibly.

  84. 84.

    BR

    @Kay:

    Kay, is Andrew Yang looking to be a spoiler? I don’t care about the current troll that’s getting attention, but to see Yang lend public support to her concerns me. He’s popular among college students from what I’ve seen, and could influence them to stay home if he directs some of them to believe in these nonsense “rigged” conspiracies. I know you’ve been mentioning his popularity — what are you seeing?

  85. 85.

    Marcopolo

    @OzarkHillbilly: Who wants to bet that the sum total of the administration’s search for the best location for the G7 was some WH intern on their smart phone googling worst possible June conference location in the US + Trump property? You have to figure there is a weird dynamic going on inside Trumps peabrain. On the one hand he probably wants to show the entire world how amazing he can be as the host (y’know like offering fast food to champion sports teams visiting the WH) on the other he wants to make the experience as bad as he can get away with for all those other leaders (Macron, Merkel, Trudeau) who regularly humiliate him (real or perceived) at these events.

  86. 86.

    Sister Golden Bear

    Got up at 5 a.m. for the first flight down to SoCal. No coffee since I’m having hair transplants done later today.

    The San Jose airport has a new wing of “interim” gates, that resembles a prison cell block.

    Questioning my life choices right now.

  87. 87.

    arrieve

    @Raven: Yes, I got reinstated with no lapse in coverage. The hospital stay was covered without too much trouble but it took a lot of back and forth before the emergency room visit that preceded admission was covered because I went into their system as having no insurance. It was all one hospital but apparently two different billing systems. I was pretty sick for several months afterwards (much much better now, yay!) and having to deal with all the bureaucracy was torture. I would gladly pay more for a better system that doesn’t put you through that when you’re at your most vulnerable.

  88. 88.

    Kay

    @Marcopolo:

    I think people understand this type of corruption because it’s common. They see this locally. Self-dealing. They see it regulated and prosecuted.

    Just in the past year in this county we have had two self-dealing scandals. A county commissioner who hired his families excavation company for a public contract and a municipal court judge who hired his daughter. It’s as regular as rain. The Trump people aren’t big- they’re small. The numbers are just bigger.

    A lot of the state and local standards are quite high. We had a school superintendent who had to resign because he took a school laptop home for his (grown) daughter to use. School employees maintain and service the laptops and they found her stuff still on it. It’s against the law.

  89. 89.

    StringOnAStick

    I wonder about the scrambling the Miami airport authority must be doing with regard to shutting down the airport for the entire G7 conference, given the security risk of all those world leaders in one, easily crashed into location right by the airport. I’m also wondering just how esthetic it is to play golf in a place that close to such an incredibly busy airport. Fancy! Classy! I’m sorry, I can’t hear you over the jet noise.

  90. 90.

    Marcopolo

    @cmorenc: I saw reporting this morning that Stein crawled out of her hole to challenge HRC to a debate. I’d like to see a few reporters pay her a visit and ask her two simple questions: 1) why has she continued to hold onto the millions of dollars she raised to investigate voting irregularities (and then regularly doled it out to her cabal) instead of refunding it to donors; 2) where the hell has she been for the past three years while the Trump administration has run roughshod over the Constitution and pursued countless actions & policies that the Green party should be regularly decrying?

    After writing this I am now wondering wtf happened with Gary Johnson as well. How do you go from running for president against Trump to basically disappearing from public life as he has pulled all the crap he has pulled.

  91. 91.

    Cacti

    The fact that all the usual Putinists have circled the wagons around Tulsi, shrieking with synchronized outrage, tends to confirm that HRC was as right about this as she was about everything else.

  92. 92.

    Kay

    @BR:

    I don’t know- he is more popular than I anticipated though. I was glad to see some of his “the robots will destroy us” theme is being questioned. Also that his famed UBI is a net loss for low income people since it anticipates cutting off all other government support. He might have mentioned that part- the let loss part.

  93. 93.

    TS (the original)

    @germy:

    Maybe it’s just a nervous habit.

    And maybe it’s just a rude ignorant revolting excuse for a human being

  95. 95.

    BR

    @Kay:

    Yeah, I wish he were a better messenger of his ideas. He was really uninformed when he was interviewed by Maddow on Thursday — she was gentle but persistent and he couldn’t name a single country he thought we had interfered in. I almost expected him to say “all of them, Katie”.

  96. 96.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    @Original Lee: On her Wikipedia page, go to the “View History” tab and look for the original version of her page that you viewed. Club them with that.

    The internet is forever….

  97. 97.

    Kay

    Russia aside, creepiness and malice aside, this should be a dealbreaker on Gabbard:

    Gabbard isn’t the only Democrat to have evolved since their early years, but few young Democrats held such extreme views so recently.

    2004? I know you-all recall what was happening nationally in 2004. The Republican Party was running a national campaign to beat Democrats based on anti-gay bigotry. A calculated national effort. They admitted it in Ohio when Bush won. Ohio Republicans said they dragged Bush over the finish line with anti-gay bigotry in this state, directed mostly at Catholic voters. I saw it in action. You all did.

    This wasn’t some “I prefer civil unions to marriage” position. She was supporting vicious bigots that were far outside even conservative Democratic circles at that time.

  99. 99.

    Humdog

    @Betty Cracker: I took a look at responses to Tulsi’s Twitter threats and discovered that everyone know Hillary has had many people killed, so if Tulsi has an “accident” or “suicides”, we will know the Clinton crime family has struck again.

    Because I have a brain, I wondered why such a sneaky criminal who has never been caught in three decades of trying wouldn’t be a hero to these crazies.

  106. 106.

    Elizabelle

    @debbie:

    I’d really like to see the other leaders in G-7 to refuse to attend.

    Me too. The next G-7 is slated for June 10-12, 2020. A lot can happen in the meantime. You know Nancy Smash and her team have that date in mind with their strategizing.

    I hope the government is not obligated to spend any $$ checking out the Doral or beginning preparations for the summit until well after the New Year. The whole thing is pure grift by the Trump family. Don’t let them make any bucks off of it.

    You know that if it was actually going to be a money-loser, out of the Trumps’ own damn pockets, Trump would not be anywhere near it.

    Trump is not a generous man. In any fashion.

  107. 107.

    debbie

    @Elizabelle:

    I heard this morning that the local police hadn’t been notified about it, even though they would be expected to provide security for it. Brilliant. //

  108. 108.

    Miss Bianca

    @Marcopolo: Yes, exactly. I was going to say, “I’d volunteer to be the moderator for that “debate”. And my first question for Dr. Woo-enstein would be, “so…whatever happened to all that money you raised for ‘recounting the vote’ in Michigan? Remember that?”

  109. 109.

    Elizabelle

    @debbie: Yeah. Maybe they can rattle their chains a bit.

    A lot can happen before June.

    Who wants to plan a G-7 meeting at the resort owned by a man in impeachment proceedings for corruption? Or even out by then?

  110. 110.

    Aleta

    Re football, stories, abuse of women:
    DeAndre Hopkins’ recognition of his mother, Sabrina Greenlee. And their support for recovery from domestic violence. (At ESPN)
    (The first part of the article is hard to read, but can be skipped.)

    Finally, she relented and let family members take her to one of her son’s games. As they do now, her children clustered around her and gave her breathless play-by-play. Images of Hopkins performing acrobatic feats on the field crowded out her fears. Instead of conjuring up a mental picture of herself as a monster, she envisioned the person her son saw when he turned to look at the sideline after making a jaw-dropping play: a mother who deserved his unconditional love. “I was able to cope with being blind and the scars and the ridicule,” she says. “And I think it gave me the courage to eventually find myself.”

    Every day, as she took new steps outside the safe confines of her home, her boundaries expanded — and her son’s world exploded. By the time Hopkins was in high school, his skills had caught the attention of a few colleges. “He was as good as that area had ever seen,” says Clemson head coach Dabo Swinney, who’d been the Tigers’ wide receivers coach before he took over the program in 2008. “You don’t teach a guy to catch a ball like he can catch the ball. That’s just God-given.” While he was widely recruited, Hopkins chose to stay home, at Clemson. He told his mother it wasn’t because of her, but everyone knew that was a lie. …

    After a solid start to his college career, Hopkins broke out during his junior year, amassing 1,405 receiving yards and 18 touchdowns. While some scouts wondered whether his lack of straight-line speed might hurt his draft stock, it was never a question, he says, that he’d leave school for the NFL when the opportunity arose.

    “We needed food on the table,” he says. “I always knew I took care of more than myself from a young age. People depended on me.”
    …
    THREE YEARS AGO, the NFL launched an initiative granting players permission to wear custom cleats to promote their charitable causes. That fall, Hopkins wore pink and blue shoes that had “End Abuse” written on the outside in all caps. Next to the heel, an artist painted four tiny icons of women, one of whom was rendered in a different color from the others, a symbol of the one in four women who have experienced intimate partner violence.

    The year Hopkins was drafted, Greenlee started a nonprofit called SMOOOTH (Speaking Mentally, Outwardly Opening Opportunities Toward Healing) in order to assist survivors of domestic violence. Her son has quietly worked with her to advance the cause, meeting with the women she has mentored, raising money for her organization and others, and speaking to high school students about his past. While it’s difficult to recount the harrowing sounds he used to hear behind closed doors as a boy, the process of dredging them up can also be palliative, he says. “It’s helped me learn a lot, about life, about how to treat a woman,” he says. “It’s helped me become a man.”

    Like her son, who she’s quick to point out is also a survivor, Greenlee harbors painful childhood memories — recollections of being “that 15-year-old girl that took that abuse, that lay on the floor, that didn’t think she was ever going to be anything,” she says. When she visits shelters, she meets women who haven’t shed those feelings of inadequacy. Her foundation has helped dozens of survivors transition to their new lives, giving them vouchers, counseling and even makeovers. “I want to tell [them] … you don’t have to stay there,” says Greenlee, who agreed in May to let a film company produce a movie about her life. “I’ll help you get out of this, just listen to me. Just follow my lead. I’m telling you: There is light after darkness.”

  113. 113.

    germy

    The media often acts as if Hillary Clinton is president. Have you noticed that? Trump says and does stuff, and it's just another day. Hillary says a few words, and the media swarms.
    The people who claim to want her to go knit are the same people who thrive on her existence.

    — Kara Calavera (@KaraCalavera) October 19, 2019

  115. 115.

    Barbara

    @RAVEN: We went through this with my daughter when she turned 26 and even though I know this stuff, there are just too many moving parts and different people who need to be involved. Mistakes are common. If it is COBRA there is almost always an affirmative election that has to be made. If she is eligible through some other status, then I would try to find the plan document.

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    Matt McIrvin

    @germy: There’s a tendency particularly on the Tulsi-Stein left to treat Hillary Clinton as if she was President from 2001 to 2009.

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