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… And so are the Trump-defenders inside it. Special appearance by blog chewtoy Megan McArgleBargle, aka ‘Jane Galt’:

From the AP, “Ballpark boos a rarity for shielded president”:

… Unlike some of his predecessors, Trump has made little effort to join the Washington scene, with the singular exception of his visiting his hotel, a Republican-friendly oasis a few blocks from the White House. He has not eaten at a Washington restaurant beyond those in the hotel and has passed on attending some traditional social events such as the Kennedy Center Honors and White House Correspondents’ Association dinner.

The White House has, at times, gone to significant lengths to keep Trump away from protesters, sometimes citing security concerns or a reluctance to snarl traffic as reasons to keep Trump away from hostile crowds.

During the presidential transition in late 2016, there was talk of Trump frequently returning to his home in Trump Tower while in office. But those plans were scrapped after it became apparent that Trump would face large, angry crowds in Manhattan.

In London this summer, Trump took repeated helicopter rides of just a few miles that kept him away from throngs of demonstrators, including a balloon that depicted the president as a baby.

And on Monday, Trump was shielded from the hundreds of protesters gathered near his speech at a police chiefs’ conference in Chicago and a fundraiser at the Trump International Hotel & Tower in downtown Chicago…


… For a president created by TV, the video bookends of the day could not have been a starker contrast. The morning began with one of the most auspicious video appearances of his presidency, as he went on camera to announce the death of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of the Islamic State. It ended with a Bronx cheer by the Potomac…

The difference between the two presidents’ TV appearances encapsulated the difference in the style of their administrations, and not only because of Mr. Trump’s penchant for comparing sizes.

Mr. Obama spoke coolly and matter-of-factly, sharing few details of Bin Laden’s actual killing. Mr. Trump, began his scripted remarks with “Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is dead,” hitting “is dead” like a snare drum, then went on to detail the target’s last moments with relish. (“I got to watch much of it.”)

Mr. Obama’s speech assured Americans that the brutal deed was done and over. Mr. Trump’s invited them to relive the deadly operation vicariously through him.

Mr. Obama framed the operation in terms of history and justice for the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks. Mr. Trump emphasized, as he often has as candidate and president, the satisfaction, in itself, of destroying and humiliating one’s enemies…

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  2. 2.

    schrodingers_cat

    I am making a list of these pooh poohing pundits, so I know that I can safely ignore them. So far I have

    1. Scarborough
    2. George Will
    3. Megan McCardle
    4. Chris Cilizza.

  3. 3.

    debbie

    Oh, grow a pair, you pussies. Where were you when Obama was booed during the State of the Union address?

  4. 4.

    Elizabelle

    Go Nats! They have to win tonight to stay in the Series.

    @schrodingers_cat: Like we were reading/following those asshats to begin with. You could also file them under “obtuse.”

  6. 6.

    MattF

    See, Megan, here in the real world, some of us were actually offended by the ‘lock her up’ chants. And… we all realized that giving offence to the libtards was a big part of the reason for the chants. And… there can be no doubt that Trump realized that too. So, turnabout. And… also, please go perform an unnatural self-fertilization.

  7. 7.

    Patricia Kayden

    What’s fascinating about this tweet is @tedcruz basically makes my point – the GOP can’t handle the idea that thousands of everyday Americans would boo Trump. So they need to attack, malign and make the other Nationals fans instead. That’s why we need to protest Trump everywhere https://t.co/6IQIcsGvQa— Neera Tanden (@neeratanden) October 29, 2019

  8. 8.

    David ??Booooooo?? Koch

    when you look at the video, Dump really thought the crowd would give him a standing ovation.

    Sad!

  11. 11.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Patricia Kayden:

    the GOP can’t handle the idea that thousands of everyday Americans would boo Trump

    What’re those white things that fall from the sky like rain but are frozen and many make up a blizzard?

  14. 14.

    Chyron HR

    Remember, part of why it’s important to protest Trump is because the Kurds and Puerto Ricans he let die killed can’t.

  15. 15.

    David ??Booooooo?? Koch

    It’s not a mistake that major stories leading to Impeachment were published by the Washington Post and not by the Vichy Times.

    they probably knew Dump was blackmailing Ukraine but choose to cover it up the same way they covered up the Bush warrantless wiretapping story.

  16. 16.

    Mary G

    Those are good tweets I missed, AL. I appreciate your curation skills. It remains hilarious that the party of “fuck your feelings” is going all “Mom, they’re being mean to me now.”

  18. 18.

    Mary G

    If Col. Vindman wishes to sue John Yoo, Fox and its friends for libel, slander, etc. we will provide legal counsel in NY for $1 per hour, to be paid only in event of win.No contingency fees or fees of any kind.We will advance the costs of filing the lawsuit in federal court.— VoteBlue in 2020 (@VoteBlueIn2020) October 29, 2019

    Vindman wasn’t a public figure until today, so I’m curious to know if any of our legal beagles thinks he has a case.

  20. 20.

    Ohio Mom

    Trump has skipped so many of the traditional presidential appearances, for example Kennedy Center ceremonies. I wonder why he chose to appear now?

    Young Barron was conspicuous by his absence. What is he now, 13? Isn’t that a prime age for stuff like going to World Series games? I hear the rumor is that he lives with his grandparents in the DC suburbs but still, to miss this?

  23. 23.

    Roger Moore

    @Mary G:

    It remains hilarious that the party of “fuck your feelings” is going all “Mom, they’re being mean to me now.”

    The key, though, is that they’re trying to present it as a “both sides are wrong” thing so that A) it isn’t about hurt feelings and B) so Democrats are supposed to feel guilty about enjoying the spectacle. To make it work, you only have to focus on what the crowd was shouting and ignore why they were shouting it.

  25. 25.

    Mary Ellen Sandahl

    I saw Scarborough wriggling in discomfort in his chair when he was saying that booing a President, any President, “isn’t American”, “isn’t who we are” and so on. I think he’s suffereing the qualms of the de-converted: he used to be a Republican Conservative on Principle, and has now left the party, upon seeing it loudly and blatantly abandon whatever principles younger Joe supposed it had, for the likes of Trump, whom he vocally despises. But you don’t discard the emotional and thought habits of a lifetime all at once, and I think Scarborough’s unease and distate for the WS chanting comes from his old value array — fear about what others will think prominent among them.

  27. 27.

    JPL

    Every time Jim Jordan or other sycophants appear on tv I automatic swear. EFG would be proud, but I’m starting to worry.

  31. 31.

    different-church-lady

    Shorter McArdle and Scarborough: “We do not understand the expression, ‘What goes around comes around.'”

  37. 37.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    wasn’t it Arte Johnson on Laugh In who used to do the “Verrrrry interesting” thing?

    Kyle Cheney @ kyledcheney
    Judiciary Committee lawyers Barry Berke and Norm Eisen (Nadler is behind them) make their way down to the SCIF. Won’t say what for.

  38. 38.

    H.E.Wolf

    @eric:
    Not so glorious. It buys into the stereotype that equates male body parts with things that are Good, and female body parts with things that are Bad.

    Just as fish are reputed not to recognize what water is because they live in it, we live in a society which is so saturated with sexism that it’s often difficult for us to recognize it.

    debbie is right, though. Many of the far-right conservatives now complaining about a lack of “respect” made no such complaint when President Obama was treated disrespectfully.

    Racism’s a hell of a saturation experience, too….

  39. 39.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @different-church-lady:

    Shorter McArdle and Scarborough: “We do not understand the expression, ‘What goes around comes around.’”

    or the difference between rage-fueled menace and budweiser-fueled mockery

    ETA: I don’t know why any recognizable pol would go to a big sporting event. I think the only president not booed at the WS was the Shrub three weeks IIRC after 9/11

  40. 40.

    Leto

    @Ohio Mom: It’s strange, but fits the pattern of how Trumpov treats his children. You’re either worth something to him or forgotten about. Even with his children it’s transactional.

  42. 42.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Ohio Mom: Trump has skipped so many of the traditional presidential appearances, for example Kennedy Center ceremonies. I wonder why he chose to appear now?

    The theory is he thought he’d get cheers like Dubya did post-9/11.

  43. 43.

    Chris

    … Unlike some of his predecessors, Trump has made little effort to join the Washington scene, with the singular exception of his visiting his hotel, a Republican-friendly oasis a few blocks from the White House. He has not eaten at a Washington restaurant beyond those in the hotel and has passed on attending some traditional social events such as the Kennedy Center Honors and White House Correspondents’ Association dinner.

    The White House has, at times, gone to significant lengths to keep Trump away from protesters, sometimes citing security concerns or a reluctance to snarl traffic as reasons to keep Trump away from hostile crowds.

    During the presidential transition in late 2016, there was talk of Trump frequently returning to his home in Trump Tower while in office. But those plans were scrapped after it became apparent that Trump would face large, angry crowds in Manhattan.

    In London this summer, Trump took repeated helicopter rides of just a few miles that kept him away from throngs of demonstrators, including a balloon that depicted the president as a baby.

    And on Monday, Trump was shielded from the hundreds of protesters gathered near his speech at a police chiefs’ conference in Chicago and a fundraiser at the Trump International Hotel & Tower in downtown Chicago…

    Feel like the first paragraph and the rest are two different things. It’s no great strike against Trump that he doesn’t really mingle with official Washington society. It’s a very great strike against him that he keeps himself similarly isolated from the public as a whole (whether in Washington DC or everywhere else) so that the only time he interacts with them is when he thinks he can be assured of facing nothing but supporters.

  45. 45.

    Spider-Dan

    @Ohio Mom: I think the reason is much simpler: Trump is too vain and pathetic to tolerate being booed by thousands in front of his teenaged son, and he wasn’t quite delusional enough to think such a thing was impossible. So Barron stays home.

  47. 47.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Mary Ellen Sandahl:

    and has now left the party

    Oh no. Joejoe has not left the party. He, Rick Wilson, Bill Kristol, etc are just waiting for the dumpster fire to burn itself out or get put out by the Democrats.

    Next Democratic president and they’ll be back to their “Fuck you libtards! Bush Trump never existed!” ways.

  52. 52.

    Mary G

    @Major Major Major Major: I piled on, I admit it. That lame statement was pure “All Lives Matter” redux. Congress has to condemn every genocide before it does this one? She’s in company with Gosar, which is not good. All the noes were Republicans like Mark Meadows.

  55. 55.

    Mary G

    @Ohio Mom: I think he expected the acclaim that Obama got for Bin Laden. He probably would have if he hadn’t acted like such a horse’s ass announcing it to Russia before Nancy Pelosi, et al.

  57. 57.

    Chyron HR

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    The theory is he thought he’d get cheers like Dubya did post-9/11.

    Well, on the plus side one of his handlers might reconsider trying to boost turnout in 2020 by destroying the Sears Tower.

  58. 58.

    Matt McIrvin

    An unusual thing here is just that it’s very rare for a blue-state or blue-city crowd to get much attention for its mass political expression. They’re just taken for granted, or admonished to reach out to assuage the feelings of red-state diner patrons. Or the protests that happened are assumed to be some kind of fringe weirdos on parade. This is a case of a crowd in the bluest place in America actually getting covered for once, and treated as real Americans, maybe because they’re a baseball crowd.

  60. 60.

    Kay

    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1
    ·1h
    Senate Finance Ranking Member Ron Wyden has sent letters to Trump admin officials asking whether an investigation into Biden, his son, or other political rivals of President Trump were discussed as part of trade negotiations with China.

    Yay! I needed someone to do that. This one is a slam dunk :)

  66. 66.

    jl

    I also remember reading in an Alexander Hamilton biography that a crowd threw rocks at him when he was taking African-Americans to vote in New York election. Also, some group heckled Wilson during a speech to Congress (SOTU, I forget), suffragettes, I think. They Grover Clevaland had to put up with chants of ‘Ma ma, where’s my pa?’,

    After John Q. Adams refused to grant a woman reporter an interview, she followed him to his morning naked swim in the Potomac, and sat on his clothes on the river bank until Adams agreed.

    So, US public has gotten more civil, not less. Or maybe it’s always been the same.

  67. 67.

    Roger Moore

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I don’t know why any recognizable pol would go to a big sporting event. I think the only president not booed at the WS was the Shrub three weeks IIRC after 9/11

    I think it’s a bit better than that. Plenty of politicians go to sporting events and get cheers. But even if you know you’re going to be booed, there are reasons to go. Maybe they genuinely like the sport and want to go to the big event because they see it as one of the perks of the office. Or maybe they know they’re going to be booed and want to prove they can handle public criticism by taking it in stride.

    It seems to me that one of the things that makes this such a bad look for Trump is that he looks as if he was genuinely surprised and upset to be booed. Politicians are supposed to be inured to public criticism, and proving they can handle it is a good way of humanizing themselves. I’m reminded of this great edition of President Obama read mean tweets. Being willing to go out and make a joke out of being publicly criticized is part of what we liked about Obama, and it’s impossible to imagine Trump doing the same thing.

  69. 69.

    khead

    AP Headline and Tweet: “AP Exclusive: Middleman helped Saudi give to Obama inaugural”

    Down in Paragraphs 5-8:

    Zuberi, a jet-setting fundraiser and venture capitalist, has raised millions of dollars for Democrats and Republicans alike over the years. Prosecutors say he has worked on behalf of several foreigners, not just Rahbani.

    He served as a top fundraiser for both Obama and Hillary Clinton during their presidential runs, including stints on both of their campaign finance committees, before switching his support to President Donald Trump immediately after his 2016 victory, pumping nearly $1 million into the Republican’s inaugural committee.

    Federal Election Commission records show hundreds of donations from Zuberi and his family to Republican and Democratic national committees, the presidential campaigns of Trump and Clinton, and dozens of congressional candidates across the political spectrum. Zuberi-linked donations often went to lawmakers who are influential or outspoken on foreign policy issues, like Sen. Lindsey Graham and Democratic Rep. Eliot Engel, chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

    Only Zuberi has been charged in the case, and prosecutors have not alleged that any campaign that received money from him was aware that at least so

  71. 71.

    TS (the original)

    @debbie:

    Where were you when Obama was booed during the State of the Union address?

    Out there explaining that the Honorable Members had the right to protest.

  72. 72.

    jl

    @JPL: ” But no one chanted bring back Obama. That would have been classic. ”

    IIRC Obama used to get some mass booing when he appeared at MLB games. I don’t remember any 100 decibel booing. Even though Obama was far more popular, probably some fans felt they needed to uphold long honored tradition of sports fans booing politicians at games.

    Edit: what’s different about Trump is far more people really very sincerely meant the boos, rather than observing an All-American tradition of booing politicians, and they went out of their way to show they specifically and vehemently booing Trump. And then there was ‘Lock him up chant…

  73. 73.

    feebog

    @JPL:

    George Papadopoulos has filed to run for Katie Hill’s seat because why not.

    Carpetbagging MoFo. Our local Assemblywoman, Christy Smith, who ran hand in hand with Katie Hill last November has already announced for the seat. She will beat him like a rented mule.

  78. 78.

    Chris

    @Mary G:

    Well, he’s still have the hurdle that until 48 hours ago, most Americans were blissfully unaware of who the fuck Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi was. And most of them will have forgotten it again by Thanksgiving.

  79. 79.

    Chris

    @raven:
    @jl:

    “If I went out to the Tidal Basin and walked on water, by the next morning the headlines would read ‘Johnson can’t swim!'”

    LBJ had thick skin. Pity his latest successor can’t say the same.

  81. 81.

    piratedan

    well all these fuckers are ranging from outraged to disappointed about this shit is telling, one event is a political rally, led by one party’s partisans to incarcerate their opponents and the other is at a baseball game, celebrating the pinnacle of our National Pastime and the folks at the stadium did their level best to soften the blow by sandwiching the Hair Furor between actual service members and the folks in the stands weren’t having it. One is a place where its exclusively for members of one political affiliation and the other is open to the public that has virtually no political trappings associated with it. I can tell the fucking difference, why the fuck can ‘t they? Oh that’s right, their collective heads are so far up their asses that they probably don’t have a clue about who goes to baseball games….much less who is even playing in it.

  83. 83.

    Mary G

    The WaPo editorial board thrashes toady Mike Pence today:

    The more undisciplined President Trump becomes in his scattershot defenses of his behavior toward Ukraine, the more robotically Vice President Pence seems to stay on message. Unfortunately, that message is an indefensible falsehood. During a television interview Monday with PBS’s Judy Woodruff, Mr. Pence said three times that anyone who reads the rough transcript of Mr. Trump’s July 25 phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky “will see the president did nothing wrong. There is no quid pro quo.”

    The interview left us with the sense that Mr. Pence himself has not carefully read the document. As we pointed out in an editorial on Sept. 25, the day it was released, the transcript ends with a clear exchange of commitments between the U.S. and Ukrainian presidents. Mr. Zelensky promises to launch the investigations Mr. Trump had just requested of Joe Biden and the Democratic National Committee; Mr. Trump responds by offering the invitation to the White House Mr. Zelensky was seeking.

    At the end they sneer at the Republicans and Fox for implying that Vinland has been a secret agent since he was three years old.

  84. 84.

    TS (the original)

    @Kay: Should the Democratic Leader in the Senate be sending such letters or is it the norm for Committee Members to do this?

  87. 87.

    raven

    @Leto: While fishing offshore yesterday an F-15 made two passes one our boat at about 100 ft! It reminded me of a day 50 years ago when some AF zoomies came in over us to pound a tree line. Yay jets!

  90. 90.

    raven

    @jl: I remember asshole frat boys booing when Mike Stipe appealed to the crowd to vote for him the first time he ran.

  93. 93.

    Ksmiami

    Fuck Trump, his supporters and media enablers that allowed this molting Orange shit stain to sit in the White House

  94. 94.

    Another Scott

    @Leto: IIRC, he explicitly told one of his wives that he wants nothing to do with (most of) his chlidren until they’re grown. It’s her job to raise them.

    Yeah, another indication of his broken psyche.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  95. 95.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Mary G: W. T. F? Do Russthuglicans need it translated to their native Rooski language? Or are they just a bunch of illiterate fucks?

  96. 96.

    cokane

    Can confirm Traister’s point, living abroad. Had lunch at a busy restaurant and the midday news did some international stories, including the stadium boos. Everyone in the restaurant took notice.

  97. 97.

    Roger Moore

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    Glendale is the future home of the Armenian Holocaust Museum.

    Yep. Don’t expect businesses in Glendale to be open on April 24th; it’s the day of commemoration for the Armenian Genocide. Big chunks of Pasadena and Altadena are also shut down that day.

  98. 98.

    BC in Illinois

    The booing was absolutely predictable. When it was announced on Thursday or so that he would be at the game, someone in the Washington Post wrote, “I can hear the boos already.”

    Trump thought that the al-Baghdadi announcement would be a game-changer, that he would be greeted with cheers, adulation, and patriotic fervor. That he would have a made-for-television moment that he could replay for the next year until the election.

    He was wrong.

    (You can speculate whether the results would have been different if he had learned from Barack Obama, how to make a presidential announcement. He was incapable of that kind of learning. As it turned out, portions of his announcement of al-Baghdadi’s death were played on the Monday evening late night shows — for laughs. THAT, I don’t think he saw coming.)

  99. 99.

    Ken

    @Mary G: “SQUEEE BZZZT Testing testing, testing testing.
    “Attention all Representatives. Attention, please. Speaker Pelosi has learned that some of our Republican members fear that three days may not be enough time for them to read a document which is about ten pages shorter than ‘The Berenstain Bears Christmas’.
    “As a service to these special members, she has asked that the document be read over the Congressional PA system every thirty minutes until the vote is held.
    “Please note that the reading will only take four of those thirty minutes, leaving the rest of the time free for normal Congressional business.
    “Page one….”

  100. 100.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @Roger Moore: I was under the impression that Fresno was the second-largest urban concentration of Armenians in the world, that only Yerevan (1,073,000) was larger.

    Well, I guess you learn something every day if you can work the Google: Apparently Fresno has been losing Armenian-Americans since the 1960s & now the largest concentration in the US is LA – Long Beach – Santa Ana with ~215,000 – which still makes it the second largest urban concentration worldwide, after Yerevan. Glendale is essentially the 5th largest at 53,840, after Yerevan, LA etc., Gyumri (102,000) and Vanadzor (82,200). /tmi

  104. 104.

    Robert Harvey

    @H.E.Wolf:

    Contra: See “dxck[head],” “prxck,” “schmxck,” “cxcksxcker,” “txol,” “bxoner,” “pxtz,” etc.

  105. 105.

    Roger Moore

    @Uncle Cosmo:
    The thing that’s noteworthy about Glendale isn’t so much the absolute number of Armenian-Americans living there; it’s the large percentage of the population. The city has a population of just over 200,000, which means it’s over 25% people of Armenian descent. There’s a reason Representatives from the Glendale/Burbank/Pasadena area have long been leaders in the attempt to recognize the Armenian Genocide.

  108. 108.

    Steeplejack

    (Haven’t read the comments yet.)

    I think @jbouie has it right (replying to Joe Scarborough):

    I too am unable to distinguish between a political figure and his supporters urging the state to criminalize his opponents and a crowd of citizens satirically turning the leader’s language against him. https://t.co/GzBjt7WVru

    — b-boy bouiebaisse (@jbouie) October 28, 2019

  111. 111.

    Jeffro

    I will stop and listen to Republicans’ complaints about baseball crowd behavior (or anything else, really) when they pick a standard of behavior – good, bad, or indifferent – and STICK TO IT.

    No IOKIYAR.

    No “working the refs”.

    No BS Fox News ‘spin’ on how it’s so incredibly amazing when Repubs do ‘A’ and horrible and treasonous when Dems do ‘A’

    I don’t even care if it’s a good standard or a bad standard. Just pick one and STICK TO IT and acknowledge that, honestly.

    What are we up to now, 13,000 lies and counting with trumpov? THAT’S THE NEW STANDARD, RIGHT GOP? So don’t ever lecture any Dem anywhere ever again for any lie or, say, 13,000 of them.

    I could go on and on. All I want out of these clowns is the same standards, one way or the other.

  115. 115.

    Jay Noble

    “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
    — Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918

    I’ve had this to poke people with since the W days

  116. 116.

    Pat Mc

    Democrats often suffer from I call ‘Nice Guy-itis’. Meaning — on those rare occasions when they throw a punch at a Republican — conservatives will accuse them of being mean. And they back down. Apologise. Not wanting to be called mean. Drives me up a wall.

    The same script is running this time over the World Seires ‘welcome’ Trump had to stand through. Delicious. And since the crowd is thousands and not easily labeled. The script isn’t working. Thanks go to the home team.

  117. 117.

    SWMBO

    @Pat Mc: Wasn’t it one of Molly Ivins sayings “My momma may have raised a mean chile but she didn’t raise a hypocrite.”?

  118. 118.

    SFAW

    @raven:

    How bout “Hey Hey JBJ, how many kids did you kill today”?

    Red Sox fans might be upset by that chant.

    [JBJ = Jackie Bradley Jr., Red Sox outfielder]

  119. 119.

    SteverinoCT

    @Roger Moore: I remember at Paul Wellstone’s memorial service as guests were filing in, they were applauded by the crowd as they were recognized on the big screen. Then came (I think) Trent Lott, and there was good-natured booing. He grinned and gave a little wave to the crowd. That’s how you handle it.

  120. 120.

    Steve Palme

    @Mary G: Is this an excuse for not voting on the resolution, or an admission that the Republican caucus is populated by blithering idiots who can’t make it through 8 pages in 48 hours?

  122. 122.

    louc

    A couple of observations:
    1. A lot of Nats baseball fans are from Virginia and a significant portion are military and defense department based, so it’s really striking how loud the crowd booed.
    2. I was there the first time Obama visited a ball game at the new Nats Stadium. It was more cheers when he was announced, but the chorus did include some boos.

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