The US Marine Corps is 244 years old today. And yes, there will be cake!
For those who have never participated in a USMC birthday, there is a very interesting tradition and ritual involved. The cake is escorted by Marines, including the most senior (oldest) and the most junior (youngest) Marines in attendance. The cake is then cut with a Mameluke sword, which is the style/type of sword worn by Marines as part of their dress uniforms. The first slice is then presented to the guest of honor in attendance. The second piece is then presented to the oldest Marine present out of respect. He or she then passes that slice of cake to the most junior Marine present to signify the passing of experience knowledge from the oldest to the newest members of Corps. Here’s B-roll from the cake cutting ceremony at Camp Pendelton this year.
Here are US Marine Corps Commandant, Gen. David H Berger’s and Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps Troy E Black’s birthday message to the Corps.
And since it’s a long holiday weekend:
Open thread!
raven
And my 70th and 53 years ago today I got on the train and went to the induction center in Chicago and took “The Last Train to Clarksville” and Ft Campbell, KY for Army Basic.
jeffreyw
Eat the apple..
raven
@jeffreyw: There it is, I was gonna post it but. . .
Mike in NC
No tweets from Putin (or his puppets and minions) this weekend lamenting the 30th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall? Sad!
Jay
RAVEN
Jay
Patricia Kayden
GregB
Ooorah! As the jarheads are wont to say.
Rand Careaga
My old man (1921-2015) was a Gunnery Sergeant with the First Marine Raiders serving on Guadalcanal and elsewhere in the Solomons; was shot while storming ashore in Guam in July 1944, the injury being sufficiently severe that he was obliged to spend the following year under medical supervision (I learned a couple of decades ago that one of the Navy surgeons offshore was one James V. McNulty, who eight years later officiated at my entrance into this wicked world. It would be nice to imagine that he might have treated der Alte back before he was der Alte).
My father seldom alluded to his war years, apart from occasionally getting together with other veterans and, when sufficiently lubricated, singing raucous songs, when I was growing up, but starting at around sixty he talked of little else, and became active in vet groups. In the mid-eighties, while visiting the DC area, he decided that he would call upon the USMC Commandant unannounced. The front office informed him that this wasn’t done, dear fellow. “Tell General Kelley that Gunny Careaga from Edson’s Raiders is her to see him!” the old man (younger than I am today, come to think of it) thundered.
He got his audience. I related this tale years later to someone who’d been in the Corps at the time, and he said “That was your dad? They told us that story in boot camp so we’d know what a regular guy the Commandant was.”
Mary G
Whoever that is that’s playing the checkout guy in the Exchange is a very good actor.
Jay
Raven
@Rand Careaga: I wonder if he was on the USS Crosby, APD 17? My dad served on it throughout the war and, at one point, the ship members were made associate members of the Raider Association. They trained and transported the Raiders and my old man never stopped his admiration for them.
“High-speed transports were converted destroyers and destroyer escorts used in US Navy amphibious operations in World War II and afterward. They received the US Hull classification symbol APD; “AP” for transport and “D” for destroyer.
APDs were intended to deliver small units such as Marine Raiders, Underwater Demolition Teams, and United States Army Rangers onto hostile shores. An APD could carry up to 200 troops – a company-size unit. It could also provide gunfire support if needed. USS Manley was officially designated the Navy’s first high-speed transport on 2 August 1940 when she became APD-1.[1]”
Jay
Charllotsville,……
ThresherK
Winnipeg have pasted the Calgary Stampeders, in Calgary, 35-14. Not an easy thing to do in November, on the road, against the Grey Cup champions.
My Roughriders are hosting the Western Final next week for the first time in ages.
Adam L Silverman
@Jay: That was an excellent book.
Adam L Silverman
@Jay: Andy Ngo might do well to realize that the other white supremacists recognize that he’s not white.
Jay
“We live in capitalism. Its power seems inescapable. So did the divine right of kings. Any human power can be resisted and changed by human beings … The name of our beautiful reward is not profit. Its name is freedom.” ― Ursula K. Le Guin
Adam L Silverman
@Rand Careaga: I have one of the last surviving Carlon’s Raider’s bowie knives. I know that’s the 2nd Marine Battalion, but it’s the closest I’ve got to the 1st.
Adam L Silverman
@Rand Careaga: And that’s a great story.
NotMax
@raven
Have a happy.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Adam L Silverman:
There was video of him yuking it up with some neo-Nazis, which was evidence he had planned some attack on Antifascists. He’s no different than Clarance Thomas or Dinesh D’souza. They’re used as shields by the alt-right and identitarian movement to “prove” they’re not racist. The New Right loves to pretend they care about LGBTQ+ people too.
Once they achieve power useful idiots like Andy Ngo will be cast aside
SiubhanDuinne
@raven:
You still have a few hours of birthday remaining! Happy 70th, Raven!
RAVEN
@SiubhanDuinne: I’m outa gas!
zhena gogolia
Happy Birthday! Stay hydrated! (I don’t have to watch the video.)
Baud
@Jay:
And that’s why we should condemn and ostracize Bernie Bros.
HinTN
Semper fi, Adam. Don’t forget to hydrate.
Adam L Silverman
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: As the editor at Quillette, he also responsible for publishing an AtomWaffen kill list within the past couple of weeks.
Eventually he’ll get someone killed, though he won’t and can’t be held responsible because of the 1st Amendment, and then he’ll play martyr over it because people are being mean to him because he got someone killed.
Lapassionara
@Rand Careaga: What a great story. So glad you shared it.
My favorite book about WWII is William Manchester’s memoir of his time in the Marine Corps during that war. I think it is “Beyond Darkness,” and it is both a history of the fighting across the Pacific and a personal memory of the horrors experienced.
HinTN
Happy 70th @raven:
Adam L Silverman
@RAVEN: That’s now called Freedom Molecules!
https://time.com/5597784/freedom-gas-energy-department/
Baud
@raven:
Happy B-day, man.
Adam L Silverman
@HinTN: I’m not a Marine. But I’ve been fortunate enough to be included in attending the formal birthday dinner for the small contingent assigned to Carlisle Barracks as faculty and students.
Cheryl Rofer
RAVEN
@Lapassionara: “Goodbye Darkness”.
Baud
Oorah.
RAVEN
If you want a realistic view of Marines in WW2 watch “The Pacific”.
Steeplejack
@Lapassionara:
Check out E.B. Sledge’s With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa (1981). Excellent memoir.
Steeplejack
@raven:
Happy birthday!
I was born at Fort Campbell in ’52. (Mom’s family is from around Clarksville.)
SiubhanDuinne
@ThresherK:
Good on the ‘Peg!
HinTN
@Adam L Silverman: @Adam L Silverman: I know that, sir, but I’ve known enough jarheads to know they won’t mind the compliment being passed to you.
raven
@Steeplejack :The second half of “The Pacific” is based on that book.
Raven
@Steeplejack: So were you actually born in Tennessee?
Ruckus
@Mary G:
Wanna bet he’s the real guy?
I like my odds.
Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho
@RAVEN: HAPPY BIRTHDAY??
Ruckus
@raven:
Welcome to the seventh decade old friend.
Would you like to meet at the wall some time in the future?
Adam L Silverman
@Cheryl Rofer: Please let him or her know that they are very welcome!
Steeplejack
@Raven:
No, I was born in Kentucky, at the base hospital at Fort Campbell. Dad was in the Air Force, they were in the process of being transferred from Indiana to Texas and didn’t quite make it to my mom’s parents’ farm.
Mary G
A strong early entry for stupidest Republican tweet of the week:
– Made up Jeebus quote
– Loud anti Semitic dog whistle
– Disrespect for the rule of law
Steeplejack
@Ruckus:
That’d be his eighth decade. He’s already been through seven.
Baud
@Steeplejack:
A lot of cultures start counting age at birth.
Adam L Silverman
@Mary G: @Ruckus: The narrator was the USMC Combat Center’s Commanding General, William F. Mullen lll and the check out guy was the Installation Sergeant Major, Michael J. Hendges
Jay
Mary G
@Ruckus: It is Troy Black, the Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps, yes. I looked it up after I posted. He’s got great eyebrow-raising technique.
Ruckus
@Rand Careaga:
Sounds like your dad was a full life well lived and the world was a better place with him in it.
frosty
@raven: Happy Birthday and Happy Retirement!
Jay
Ruckus
@Steeplejack:
Those of us who are there don’t like to think of it that way.
We are fucking old enough as it is.
Raven is my junior by just a few months of time, senior in so many other ways.
So I’m over 80? Yeah I don’t think so……….
Raven
@Steeplejack: Most of Campbell is in Tennessee.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@raven:
Happy birthday!
@Adam L Silverman:
Ngo was put in the hospital some months back by an attack by alleged antifascists.
Seems to me Ngo himself will get killed eventually if he keeps his shit up
Baud
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/11/10/20958051/trump-impeachment-inquiry-democrats-republican-request-whistleblower-testimony
Adam L Silverman
@Jay: I did an entire post around this tweet thread the other night. You even commented in it.
https://balloon-juice.com/2019/11/08/ladies-and-gentlemen-allow-me-to-introduce-to-you-the-political-genius-of-mayor-bloomberg/
HinTN
@Steeplejack:
Close enough for government work. We’ll claim him.
NotMax
@Raven
Fought him a b’ar when he was only three.
:)
Adam L Silverman
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: Ngo largely faked the attack. The video shows someone dumped a milkshake on him. That’s all the evidence. The black eye appears to have been self inflicted in order to raise sympathy money on GoFundMe.
Steeplejack
@Baud:
If he has lived 70 years, he is not starting his seventh decade, no matter if you count him as 1 year old at birth.
RAVEN
@Ruckus: Yea, that would be good. I’ve been for vets day a couple of times. This time I was part of the name reading group and scheduled it to read my buddy, the Marine’s, name at about 3 in the morning.
Adam L Silverman
@Baud: I’ll have more on this tomorrow. What Nunes and Jordan and Meadows and McCarthy, as well as a plethora of Republican senators are trying to do is to turn the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence’s public impeachment hearings, the House of Representatives, and the Senate into the information laundry for the Black PSYOP I wrote about two weeks ago.
dmsilev
@Baud: Devin Nunes is stupid, but not stupid enough to believe that he could get Hunter Biden added to the witness list. This was all just posturing for the base and for Trump.
Steeplejack
@Ruckus:
No, you are starting your eighth decade. You could have said, “Welcome to your 70s,” which would have been true.
HinTN
@Lapassionara:
Mine is anything Ernie Pyle wrote.
Raven
“Although the official address of the U.S. Army’s Fort Campbell reads, “Fort Campbell, Kentucky,” two-thirds of the installation by area is in Tennessee. Fort Campbell came into existence in 1941 as the United States prepared for war. In need of additional large training facilities, army planners chose an area northwest of Clarksville for a new camp. ”
And when you are in Basic you get to see most of it!
Ruckus
@Adam L Silverman:
As I said, the real deal, not an actor.
I’ve been around a few marines when I was in, remember I was in the Marine delivery service, more commonly known as the navy.
I was on temp duty with the SP in Long Beach for a while towards the end of my enlistment and served with a staff sgt who was one of the few natural leaders I met in the service. Fun to talk to and work with. Good times, which can be rare in the military.
Steeplejack
@Raven:
I get that. The goddamn hospital is (or was) in Kentucky. I’ll be glad to show you my birth certificate with Christian County, Kentucky, on it. Jesus. What a hill to die on.
RAVEN
Off to watch Modern Love.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Adam L Silverman:
Really? All I saw was that he ended up in the hospital. Doesn’t surprise me, I guess given what I do know of him.
He’s also directly attacked mainstream Democratic politicians, saying their ultimate goals are little different than those of “Antifa”. Which is true in the sense that both groups are antifascist.
frosty
I nominate “Don’t forget to hydrate” for the rotating tag.
Adam L Silverman
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: The question is whether he actually believes the bullshit he’s peddling or he knows it is bullshit and knows that the white supremacists he’s cozied up to will only tolerate them as long as he can effectively distract from what they actually believe and what they’re actually doing so he’s trying to capitalize on this grift while he can.
The third possibility of course is he’s smart, but developmentally disabled and just doesn’t really understand what it is he’s doing. Which based on some of the videos I’ve seen of him may also be a possibility.
Ruckus
@Steeplejack:
I thought we were just kidding. Ageist jokes and all that. Wasn’t discussing maths or specifics. Being old gives you some rights to poke others about age doesn’t it?
Steeplejack
@Ruckus:
Just forget it. I was distracted by Raven proving that I was born in a different state
NotMax
@Steeplejack
So much for separation of church and state!
:)
Jay
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
Naw, Andy was faking. He claimed that getting punched once and milkshaked, caused a brain hemmorage.
He flew cross country the next day to attend the Straight Pride Parade and milk the gullible media for victimhood status.
Of course, flying with a brain that’s hemmorageing kills most people, cripples the rest.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/andy-ngo-right-wing-troll-antifa-877914/amp/
The reality is, Gender Reveal parties have killed way more people in the US than antifa.
Since 1970,
antifa, 1,
Gender Reveal parties, 9
Nazi’s, 738+
BC in Illinois
@Lapassionara:
@HinTN:
My Mother was a WAC at the Allied Headquarters in London on D-Day, and in Paris on VE Day.* Her favorite book (and now, that I think of it, her only WW II book until I gave her a book of Churchill speeches) was Up Front by Bill Mauldin.**
* My Father was an Army Air Corps officer (weatherman). [He was with the British in Baghdad on D-Day.] He thought it was important that my brother and I make E-5, so that Mom wouldn’t outrank us.
** And now that I think of it, I’m going to order a copy of Up Front for myself. I remember reading it several times, even when I visited in later years.
Sloane Ranger
Happy Birthday US Marine Corps!
Watched the Remembrance Ceremony at the Cenotaph earlier today and, honestly, if Jeremy Corbyn had turned up looking like Boris Johnson did the right wing press would be hitting the fainting couch and complaining loudly about the disrespect shown to our veterans He looked like a sack of potatoes and couldn’t even be bothered to do up his jacket!
Corbyn, in contrast, was neat and tidy and he remembered to at least seem to be singing the national anthem.
Raven
@Steeplejack: You don’t really think i give a shit do you?
frosty
@BC in Illinois: I’ve got a copy of Up Front right next to me on the shelf as I sit. Pulled it out last week as a matter of fact.
zhena gogolia
Happy Veterans Day, Lt. Col. Vindman.
AM in NC
My dad was a marine, and he gave me his green marine corps jacket that’s belted at the waist and has a slightly flared “skirt”. It fit him at 18 and me as an adult. I generally get comments from older marines who are wary of me wearing it (that was particularly true when I was younger and not many women were in the armed services) until they hear it was my dad’s, and then everything’s cool. I love that his name is stenciled inside.
Feathers
I think of the USMC birthday as the anniversary of when my cute and flirty cousin noticed the bartender’s tattoo and wished him a very happy birthday. The drinks weren’t ALL free that night, but we got very good and friendly service from everyone in the place. I hope folks don’t mind.
zhena gogolia
@RAVEN:
I’m ready to watch it again! It’s rilly good.
zhena gogolia
@Mary G:
JESUS WARNED US LOOK OUT FOR THE LAWYERS??????
Adam L Silverman
@zhena gogolia: Actually that was Shakespeare. But Marsha is a product of the world renowned Mississippi education system.
Sloane Ranger
@Sloane Ranger: My mistake, right wing press actually criticising Corbyn for not bowing his head low enough after laying wreath and some criticism of Boris’ fashion choice.
RAVEN
@Steeplejack: And what’s this “proving” shit. Not everyone knows the geography of Campbell and I was just making conversation.
Jay
J R in WV
@Adam L Silverman:
Isn’t that odd? These guys would be on the second truck-load of people sent to the camps, yet they seem utterly unaware of their precarious position!! Almost unbelievable. I guess their hatred of African-Americans overrules their common sense totally. Same for Milo — he’s on the edge just like Ngo…
J R in WV
@Lapassionara:
@RAVEN:
Goodby Darkness was one of the most moving descriptions of war I’ve ever read. Manchester is a truly great writer. If only everyone could read that…
J R in WV
@Ruckus:
Yes, you are allowed to poke fun at others regarding age, and comparative ages. I’m a little more than a year younger than you are… hahaha. Still, old enough, rode hard and put away wet.
Jay
@J R in WV:
Andy has gone from being a Campus shitlord to a guy who doesn’t have to work for a living, ( GoFundMe, PayPal, YouTube, Instagram, Quilegte), flies first class, and gets paid to show up on CNN, Faux, et as a so called antifa “expert”.
It’s a grift. That’s all it is.
Ruckus
@J R in WV:
And a fellow swabby!
I finally earned something just by still being on this rock. Well the right to be wrong about maths was never something I was aiming for but ya gotta take what ya can.
debbie
@Mary G:
I’m not Christian, but wasn’t it the money lenders Jesus warned about?