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Please Report Any Remaining Commenting Issues

by WaterGirl|  November 21, 20196:30 pm| 276 Comments

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The new site has been live for a week!  We just received submission 100 through the Site Feedback form.  Who knew you guys would actually use the form?  I had faith, but I’m not sure anyone else did!  LOL

This thread is specifically about any commenting issues that may remain.  Have you have experienced any of these issues since Monday?

  1. Is @nym not consistently showing up when you reply to another commenter?
  2. After you post a comment, do you have to manually refresh the page or post another comment before your previously posted comment shows up?
  3. If your comment doesn’t appear right away, where do land after posting your comment?
  4. After you post a comment, are you taken to the comment you have been posted, or do you sometime bounce to the top?
  5. Are any of the formatting buttons disappearing?
  6. Does your edit window close before the 5-minute window has elapsed?
  7. Have any of your comments shown up after posting, and then disappeared after that?

If you are experiencing any of those things, or any comment-related issues,  please speak up in this thread, and supply the following information:

  • Since Monday, has it happened consistently, frequently, occasionally, or once in a blue moon?
  • Have you noticed any sort of a pattern?
  • Does it happen on a particular device or on all of your devices?
  • Does it happen only when you use a particular browser, or device/browser combination?

Thanks in advance, everybody!

Update: I should have said this earlier, but… If you are not experiencing any of these issues, please share that in the comments, too!

Update 2: People reporting problems:

  1. Spanky: Windows 10 / Chrome  (2, 4)
  2. Dangerman: Chromebook  (2, 6)
  3. debbie: MacBook Pro / Chrome  (2-4)
  4. Yarrow: ??
  5. BillinGlendaleCA: Windows 10 / Chrome
  6. p.a.: ??
  7. Mary G: Win 10, Chrome
  8. Ceci…: ??
  9. jeffreyw: Windows 10 / Chrome
  10. cmorenc: ??
  11. different-church-lady: older iPad, 10.3.x / Chrome
  12. Gin & Tonic: iPhone iOS 12 / Safari
  13. Doug R: HP laptop / Windows 10 / Chrome
  14. TS (the original): Windows 7 / Chrome
  15. Sloane Ranger:  Samsung Galaxy S7 / Chrome  (only 2 refresh to see comment issues)
  16. Roger Moore: Windows 7 / Firefox
  17. trollhattan: trollhattan: Windows 10 / Firefox
  18. Bes: Windows 8 / Internet Explorer
  19. Baud: Android ???  (visual autocorrect with Google keyboard)
  20. zhena gogolia: Mac laptop / Chrome
  21. NotMax: Windows 10 / Firefox
  22. geg6: iPhone 8 / iOS 13 / Safari
  23. Cheryl Rofer: Windows 10 / Chrome  (#1 sometimes and not staying in the right pace on refresh)
  24. SFAW: Windows XP / /Chrome  (1, 2, 4, 5, 6)
  25. Ruckus: iMac / Safari  (2, 4)
  26. Ohio Mom: iPhone 5 / ??
  27. Starfish: Android phone LG 5 / Chrome
  28. trollhtttan: Windows 10 / Chrome (different computer than at 17 above)
  29. jeffreyw: Android 9 Samsung S9 (more testing)
  30. JaySinWA: Chromebook / Chrome
  31. Redshift: Pixel XL phone / Android 10 / Chrome
  32. Amir Khalid: Windows 7 / Firefox  (2, 3, 4, 5)
  33. Jay C: old Dell PC / Windows 7 Pro / Chrome  (2, 6)
  34. Jay C: Windows 10 / Chrome   (2, 6)
  35. J R in WV:
  36. something fabulous: MacBook Pro / Safari 13.0.3
  37. James Powell: MacBook Air / Chrome
  38. frosty: HP Notebook / Windows 10 and Apple iPhone SE Safari  (mostly all good, see #246))
  39. Tomato Queen: Firefox 70.0.1 64 Bit, Win 7 Prof, Lenovo ThinkPad, AdBlock Plus
  40. Ozark Hillbilly: Windows 10 / Firefox
  41. Steeplejack: Android with Samsung browser
  42. Bobby Thompson: Windows 10 / Chrome
  43. trnc ??   (1, 4, 5)
  44. Villago Delenda Est:  Windows 10 / Firefox  (no edit window on posted comment)
  45. Tenar Arha: iPhone 6S Plus, iOS 13.2.3, Firefox 20 for iOS, Private browser window

 

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  1. 1.

    Spanky

    November 21, 2019 at 6:36 pm

    On Chrome using Windows 10 on a Dell laptop:
    – posting a comment takes me back to the top. New comment not shown. Refreshing after ~10 sec solves the issue
    – If I use the back button to navigate, the forward button does not return me to where I was

    It’s been a week? Just seems like a couple of days, though living in this timeline is exhausting.

  2. 2.

    The Dangerman

    November 21, 2019 at 6:38 pm

    I had a #2 this morning.

     

    As for where I go, I think I go to the bottom of the comments  (because I scroll up a few to see if it posted before I refresh).

     

    I also had a #6. Yesterday, IIRC. I might have had a #5 once, but only once, where the editing menu was in text and not icons. Don’t recall when.

     

    Did I make a Yahtsee?

     

    ETA: On a chromebook. Not sure how to find version right now to be honest with you. Long day.

  3. 3.

    Martin

    November 21, 2019 at 6:40 pm

    People keep disagreeing with me. It makes me sad and I was hoping it would stop.

    • Since Monday, has it happened consistently, frequently, occasionally, or once in a blue moon?

    Frequently and consistently.

    • Have you noticed any sort of a pattern?

    Yes. I post something and people come to a different conclusion.

    • Does it happen on a particular device or on all of your devices?

    Strangely, on all of my devices.

    • Does it happen only when you use a particular browser, or device/browser combination?

    Same, every browser and device. I’ve tried all kinds of combinations and people still disagree with me. I haven’t found any fix so far. It’s highly annoying.

  4. 4.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 21, 2019 at 6:40 pm

    Some people keep saying really stupid shit.

     

    What?  I have an issue with it.

     

    ETA:  I mean just check out the comment above mine.

  5. 5.

    debbie

    November 21, 2019 at 6:40 pm

    Nos. 2 through 4 are my issues. There’s no consistency, ie, sometimes I am taken to the top of the page, sometimes to an arbitrary point in the thread. I have to refresh two or three times. But these issues happen every time. I can’t think of a time where I’m returned to what I just posted.

     

    Macbook Pro / Chrome.

  6. 6.

    Yarrow

    November 21, 2019 at 6:41 pm

    After you post a comment, do you have to manually refresh the page or post another comment before your previously posted comment shows up?

    Yes. Happens frequently. Windows 10, Chrome. Happened multiple times today. I can refresh several times before my comment shows up.

    If your comment doesn’t appear right away, where do land after posting your comment?

    Usually the top of the page.

    Have any of your comments shown up after posting, and then disappeared after that?

    Not that I’ve noticed but I’ve seen that other people’s comments have shown up and then disappeared and then reappeared.

    Weird commenting thing just happened. I was in Text mode, pasted the next quote I was going to answer, clicked b-quote and it flipped me back to Visual mode. Meh. Leave me where I was, please. I was still on this same comment and hadn’t posted anything. Happened again with next blockquote.

  7. 7.

    Yarrow

    November 21, 2019 at 6:42 pm

    I only post on one device so no idea about different devices.

    Have you noticed any sort of a pattern?

    I think maybe comments show up faster when I post direct from Text mode but not sure.

  8. 8.

    Yarrow

    November 21, 2019 at 6:43 pm

    @Yarrow:  I have no ability to edit now.

  9. 9.

    debbie

    November 21, 2019 at 6:43 pm

    @debbie:

    Okay, another issue. There was no option to edit my previous post. I wanted to add that I had been returned to OO’s post for some reason. It wasn’t there when I posted and I wonder if I’m being returned to the same relative position on the thread (if that makes sense).

     

    ETA: And yet, when this post posted, my previous post had the editing thing back!

  10. 10.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 21, 2019 at 6:43 pm

    Is @nym not consistently showing up when you reply to another commenter?

    I’ve not had this problem.

    After you post a comment, do you have to manually refresh the page or post another comment before your previously posted comment shows up?

    Yes.

    If your comment doesn’t appear right away, where do land after posting your comment?

    Top of the post.

    After you post a comment, are you taken to the comment you have been posted, or do you sometime bounce to the top?

    It bounces to the top on a consistent basis.

    Are any of the formatting buttons disappearing?

    Yes, sometimes I just get ‘text mode’ formatting buttons, sometimes no formatting buttons.

    Does your edit window close before the 5-minute window has elapsed?

    I’ve not noticed this behavior.

    Have any of your comments shown up after posting, and then disappeared after that?

    No.

     

    Windows 10, Chrome latest version.

     

    ETA: One other thing that is particularly annoying, if I click on the nym of a person whose comment is being replied to, I go to that comment(as it should), HOWEVER the back button doesn’t reliably return me to the first comment.

  11. 11.

    Martin

    November 21, 2019 at 6:45 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: See! Watergirl, it’s 100% reproducible. Just look at this. This was Safari on MacOS X 10.14. The very next comment disagreed with me.

     

    Is there like a button or a tag I can add? Maybe I need more omegas? Or maybe the magnets crashing into each other?

  12. 12.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 21, 2019 at 6:49 pm

    @Martin: 

    Safari on MacOS X 10.14

    There’s your problem.

  13. 13.

    Yarrow

    November 21, 2019 at 6:51 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    One other thing that is particularly annoying, if I click on the nym of a person whose comment is being replied to, I go to that comment(as it should), HOWEVER the back button doesn’t reliably return me to the first comment.

    Yes. This. Happens all the time and then I get completely lost on the page. Have to go click the title to kind of start over and then scroll down. That’s how I find out I’ve missed comments. I’m skimming to find my place and I think “I haven’t seen that comment” but I’ve read ones before and after it. I think it’s part of the comments appearing and disappearing thing.

  14. 14.

    p.a.

    November 21, 2019 at 6:52 pm

    Generally, my 1st comment in a thread posts as desired.  Any further comments I need to refresh to see the post.  Generally, not always.

     

    Also, any thought to making ‘text’ the default, at least for non-frontpagers?

  15. 15.

    Mary G

    November 21, 2019 at 6:52 pm

    • Nym issue not a problem for me across all devices. Haven’t had to fill it in but the once on each device since the beginning
    • Comment showing up immediately vs. having to refresh is all over the place. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Happens most often on PC Win 10 with Chrome, but also at times on Kindle with Silk Browser or Samsung phone with whatever browser it comes with
    • Almost always bounced to the top or random place in the middle of comments after refreshing or replying.
    • Forward and backward buttons no use in navigating comments
    • Can usually only edit once, option & timer disappear after 1st edit
    • Once in a blue moon just get an unmarked comment box w/o visual tab but with the text options. Doesn’t seem to be device dependent
    • The bullet point and list buttons work brilliantly, MS Word could learn something
  16. 16.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    November 21, 2019 at 6:53 pm

    #2 for sure, consistently all week on Firefox / Mac OS X. Let me see what happens in detail after I hit the post on this one.

     

    Huh. No issue at all. Posted immediately, with an edit link.

     

    Also I’ve been having the issue that the Edit Comment went away after refreshing, but that seems to have cleared up.

     

    I was struggling with the user interface on how to get outside the blockquote box once you quote something, I finally found out (because somebody told me) that hitting return twice does the trick.

     

    I know a lot of people have struggled with embedding tweets. That’s not something I normally do. When I tried to fix somebody else’s tweet embed earlier today, the post was simply swallowed without comment. Twice.

     

    There are a lot of new toys and I think we’ll all be very happy with them once we learn all the tricks. I think rather than mess further with the user interface, what’s needed is a tutorial page that tells how to do specialized things like embed YouTube and Twitter. Once the dust settles.

  17. 17.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 21, 2019 at 6:53 pm

    @Yarrow: Thanks, I was unsure if my comment was clear.

  18. 18.

    Yarrow

    November 21, 2019 at 6:54 pm

    @p.a.: Or maybe it could remember what your last thing was–Text or Visual–and just keep you there until you manually change it.

    Oh, look. Just as I did this, the Text & Visual tabs have disappeared. I’m apparently in Text mode because I see all the coding buttons with words not images. No option to switch back and forth, though.

  19. 19.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 6:56 pm

    Well, let’s see…

  20. 20.

    cmorenc

    November 21, 2019 at 6:56 pm

    Biggest issue for me is the buggy blockquote function – whenever I try to blockquote a passage, I cannot then escape the blockquote enclosure, although it is possible to work around this bug by:

    1. Writing some random text after the point where I plan to insert a blockquote
    2. then back up to where I want the blockquote to appear and hit the start blockquote button, paste my text, and hit the end blockquote button,
  21. 21.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 21, 2019 at 6:57 pm

    @Yarrow:

    Or maybe it could remember what your last thing was–Text or Visual–and just keep you there until you manually change it.

    I believe it’s supposed to do that.

  22. 22.

    different-church-lady

    November 21, 2019 at 6:57 pm

    I have a what is probably a maddeningly specific thing to report:

     

    * older ipad running 10.3.something, Chrome

    * only when replying to annother comment

    * the moment I start to type the reply, the whole page scrolls down to where one enters the nym, and I can no longer see the comment entry field.

    * scrolling back up doesn’t solve it, it merely scrolls back down again.

     

    Odd, eh?

  23. 23.

    debbie

    November 21, 2019 at 6:58 pm

    @different-church-lady:

     

    That’s happened to me a time or two on my aged iPad Mini.

  24. 24.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 21, 2019 at 6:58 pm

    @cmorenc: Getting out of the blockquote is easy, just hit return twice.  The first return will add a line feed to the blockquote, the second will exit the blockquote.

  25. 25.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 6:58 pm

    Pushing “post comment” button took me to the top of the page.  Waiting a few seconds and a refresh took me to my newly made comment.  Win 10 Chrome

  26. 26.

    cmorenc

    November 21, 2019 at 6:59 pm

    OK – next bug is: how do I turn off auto-format in a comment box?  That’s why I inadvertently left a hanging point 3) in my previous post, no matter how hard I tried to delete it in edit. (The same annoying default is in MS-Word in that otherwise *it* insists how your paragraphs and outline points must be formatted, but I’ve figured out how to turn it off in MS-Word).

  27. 27.

    different-church-lady

    November 21, 2019 at 7:00 pm

    @different-church-lady: also on ipad: I don’t get a close box when I want to cancel my comment, and can’t escape without either posting or refreshing the page

  28. 28.

    Yarrow

    November 21, 2019 at 7:01 pm

    @cmorenc:  This blockquote issue is a problem for me as well. I generally go to Text mode right away if I’m blockquoting. There I can see the code and can move the cursor around.

     

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Maybe it’s supposed to but I have never had it do it.

  29. 29.

    Gin & Tonic

    November 21, 2019 at 7:01 pm

    I don’t comment often from my phone, so I’ll try to reproduce this (Safari, iOS 12.) If I try to post a reply to a comment, the pop-up box that I’m used to seeing in Chrome on my desktop steals focus and I can’t scroll down to where the “Post Comment” button should be. This is sporadic, as I’m trying to make it happen now and it won’t

     

    ETA: Actually it did happen. When I try scrolling, I can see that it’s scrolling the stuff behing, meaning the page with all the comments – I get to see about 1/4″ of that above and below the reply box.

  30. 30.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 21, 2019 at 7:02 pm

    @cmorenc: Bullet and numbered lists can be turned off by hitting the bullet or number button to turn them off.

     

    Ex.:

     

    1. I just his the number list button to turn it on
    2. another item

    I just hit the number list button to turn it off, no hanging ‘3’.

  31. 31.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 7:03 pm

    @jeffreyw: Replying to my own comment.

    ETA  no problems!

  32. 32.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    November 21, 2019 at 7:05 pm

    @cmorenc: I just mentioned that at #16. I finally found out that if you position the cursor at the end of the blockquote and hit return twice, you get out of it into normal text.

     

    You can also go to the Text tab and type outside the </blockquote> tag, but that seems like kind of a hack.

  33. 33.

    Yarrow

    November 21, 2019 at 7:05 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:  That is a bizarre workaround. It worked once for me and once not.

     

    I really wish the default commenting was in the box at the bottom of the page instead of the pop up.

  34. 34.

    cmorenc

    November 21, 2019 at 7:05 pm

     

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    @cmorenc: Getting out of the blockquote is easy, just hit return twice.  The first return will add a line feed to the blockquote, the second will exit the blockquote.

    Yes, but that’s VERY non-intuitive – as much better as the new interface is in many ways, the blockquote function in the old interface was MUCH easier and more intuitive.

     

    Be nice if there was a quote-reply function that would auto-quote the post you’re replying to.  Another forum website I regularly comment in does have this feature, and I can enter the blockquote and edit it down to the relevant passages I’m responding to.

  35. 35.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 7:05 pm

    So awesome when I got back from picking up dinner to see that there are 30 comments saying everything is working perfectly! :-) I am about to eat dinner, but I will check back in a few minutes when I am done.

  36. 36.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 7:07 pm

    All the buttons are there, 2 tabs showing. The comments are doing well except for the first one in this thread, the one that took me to the top and needed a wait and a refresh.

    ETA Oh Dear!  This one top me to the top and needed a refresh.

  37. 37.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    November 21, 2019 at 7:07 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: I have exactly this issue in Safari on iPhone. I’ve learned to look for the X on the popup and close it right away, then reply in the main window.

  38. 38.

    Yarrow

    November 21, 2019 at 7:07 pm

    @WaterGirl:  Have a good dinner. When you get back to things, is there anything you can do about Republicans being traitors? I think we could all live with commenting issues if that one issue would get addressed.

  39. 39.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 21, 2019 at 7:08 pm

    @cmorenc:

    Yes, but that’s VERY non-intuitive

    That is what I initially thought during testing, but it works pretty well once you adapt to it.

     

    ETA: What I agree with you on is that the behavior of the blockquote and the bullet and number lists is inconsistent.

     

    ETA2: What might work is have the blockquote button as a toggle like the list buttons are…

     

    block quote is active, if I hit it, it will not end the blockquote but take this text out of blockquote

    however:

    • with a list
    • one return adds to the list

    two returns end the list, just like blockquote.  Blockquote is the one that’s inconsistent.

  40. 40.

    Mary G

    November 21, 2019 at 7:09 pm

    I came here from the last thread and once again the comment box has only the text options and not the visual tab.

     

    ETA: in the edit function, both the visual and text tabs show up.

     

    Another thing that I have thought of but not brought up, I do miss the navigation up and down arrows that only went a short way up or down, and I agree with someone who said in an earlier thread that the nav arrows would be easier to find if they were bolder. I’m gradually getting used to not looking in the bottom right corner, and I’m glad they were moved, because I get notifications there, but if they stood out more I would see them faster. This is a thing that will probably go away after more use, but for now I kind of have to look around for a while.

  41. 41.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 7:10 pm

    Edit needing a refresh to show the edit that last time.

  42. 42.

    Doug R

    November 21, 2019 at 7:10 pm

    Win 10 Chrome HP laptop.

    Generally I have to refresh for my comment to show up, it usually lands about 5 comments up.

    Will we ever get the ability to share embedded tweets and pictures like disqus, or is that a storage/bandwidth issue?

  43. 43.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 7:10 pm

    @jeffreyw: And another trip to the top.

  44. 44.

    TS (the original)

    November 21, 2019 at 7:11 pm

    Chrome Windows 7 (only way I read/post on BJ)

     

    After you post a comment, do you have to manually refresh the page or post another comment before your previously posted comment shows up?

    Sometimes – Seems to happen the more I post on a thread. If I use your refresh button it doesn’t always show up – if I use the browser refresh button it usually works.

     

    If your comment doesn’t appear right away, where do land after posting your comment?

    Top of page

    After you post a comment, are you taken to the comment you have been posted, or do you sometime bounce to the top?

    both – top of page usually when comment doesn’t appear.

     

    Does your edit window close before the 5-minute window has elapsed?

    After doing an edit, the edit doesn’t show up & the edit option disappears. Refreshing the page via the browser refresh usually fixes it. Not sure how long the window stays because sometimes I don’t pick up that I need the refresh

     

    When jumping to an earlier comment (via pressing a quoted nym) , the back arrow only takes me back to the original comment the first time I do it within an open thread. Where it goes after that seems random. If I close/open the thread it works again once.

     

    Many thanks for all your work

  45. 45.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    November 21, 2019 at 7:12 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: As I said above, there are a number of things that aren’t intuitive, but that’s just because there are so many new toys. There are features we hadn’t imagined we need, but which I suspect we’ll be addicted to soon.

    So I suggested that perhaps once we get the major bugs hammered out our IT team can write up a tutorial on all the new features.

    The difference between the “COMMENT” link and the down arrow for instance.

  46. 46.

    Sloane Ranger

    November 21, 2019 at 7:12 pm

    I had a 2 this evening. I had to hit refresh before my comment showed up.

     

    I am on a Samsung Galaxy S7 using Chrome but this is the only problem I’ve had.

     

    I would really appreciate an idiots guide to how to use the visual and text features in the comments box.

  47. 47.

    Roger Moore

    November 21, 2019 at 7:14 pm

    • After you post a comment, do you have to manually refresh the page or post another comment before your previously posted comment shows up?
    • If your comment doesn’t appear right away, where do land after posting your comment?
    • After you post a comment, are you taken to the comment you have been posted, or do you sometime bounce to the top?

    On Firefox on Windows 7.  I have inconsistent behavior with my posts showing up.  Most of the time they do, and I’m taken to them*.  Occasionally my comment won’t show up, in which case I wind up at the top of the page.  ETA: This is consistent.  If my comment shows up, I’m taken to it.  If it doesn’t, I always wind up at the top of the page.

     

    *With some error depending on how many embedded tweets there are on the page, since they seem to mess up the positioning.  I’m pretty sure this is a browser problem, though, not a site problem.

  48. 48.

    trollhattan

    November 21, 2019 at 7:15 pm

    1. Is @nym not consistently showing up when you reply to another commenter?
      –okay there
    2. After you post a comment, do you have to manually refresh the page or post another comment before your previously posted comment shows up?
      –intermittently, yes
    3. If your comment doesn’t appear right away, where do land after posting your comment?
      –top of page
    4. After you post a comment, are you taken to the comment you have been posted, or do you sometime bounce to the top?
      –yes, sometimes
    5. Are any of the formatting buttons disappearing?
      –not that I’ve noticed
    6. Does your edit window close before the 5-minute window has elapsed?
      –Yes
    7. Have any of your comments shown up after posting, and then disappeared after that?
      –Sounds existentialist. Have not noticed this

    If you are experiencing any of those things, or any comment-related issues,  please speak up in this thread, and supply the following information:

    • Since Monday, has it happened consistently, frequently, occasionally, or once in a blue moon?
      –intermittent
    • Have you noticed any sort of a pattern?
      Only when I wear plaid.
    • Does it happen on a particular device or on all of your devices?
      Not sure
    • Does it happen only when you use a particular browser, or device/browser combination?
      Primarily Chrome on Win 10, will try and compare to FF later. This particular PC loses my auto-fill info overnight.

    Thanks in advance, everybody!

     

    No, thank you!

    ETA–this post presented in real time and on the right place on the page. Edit countdown is working correctly, and format buttons are all there.

  49. 49.

    Roger Moore

    November 21, 2019 at 7:20 pm

    @cmorenc:

    Blockquote is working fine for me.  Hit blockquote, paste text, hit enter twice.  If you hit enter only once, it leaves you in the blockquote.  If you hit it twice, it ends the quote.  You can also try pasting the text, typing your response, and then going back, highlighting the quoted text and hitting the quote button.

  50. 50.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 21, 2019 at 7:21 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Only when I wear plaid.

    Well, the solution is easy, don’t wear plaid.

  51. 51.

    Bex

    November 21, 2019 at 7:21 pm

    Back and forward arrows come and go and the one on the left still interferes with the comment copy.  Win 8 IE.

  52. 52.

    Baud

    November 21, 2019 at 7:22 pm

    Visual box doesn’t play well with autocorrect on Google keyboard in Android.

    Colors not optimised for dark mode.

  53. 53.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 21, 2019 at 7:23 pm

    @Roger Moore: Blockquote is inconsistent with the bullet and number list functions though.

  54. 54.

    Roger Moore

    November 21, 2019 at 7:26 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    I agree.  Hitting blockquote a second time should close the quote, not eliminate it completely.

     

    ETA: and just like that, a comment didn’t show up until after I hit refresh.

  55. 55.

    zhena gogolia

    November 21, 2019 at 7:29 pm

    Chrome on a Mac laptop:

    When I comment, especially a reply, my comment doesn’t show up. I have to close BJ, open it again, click on comments, go to the bottom, and refresh. Then I see it.

     

    If I try to follow somebody’s answer to somebody else, and then return to that comment, it doesn’t take me there. It takes me somewhere seemingly random.

  56. 56.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 21, 2019 at 7:29 pm

    @Baud: Don’t go to the dark side.

  57. 57.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 21, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    @zhena gogolia: On my Win10 PC, if I hold ctl(I think that’s command on Mac), right click to bring up the context menu and click refresh it does a hard refresh.  It also works if I right click to bring up the context menu and hold ctl when I click refresh.

  58. 58.

    Yarrow

    November 21, 2019 at 7:37 pm

    @zhena gogolia:  Can you not just refresh the page a time or two and the comment shows up? You have to close the browser or tab completely? Sometimes for me it takes up to a minute for a comment to appear. I can refresh the page several times and nothing happens. I wander off to do something else, come back a few minutes later, refresh the page and there’s my comment–and a lot of other comments.

  59. 59.

    Baud

    November 21, 2019 at 7:38 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I actually might when I next upgrade my phone.

  60. 60.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 21, 2019 at 7:39 pm

    @Yarrow: A hard refresh works for me every time, a regular refresh work sometimes.

  61. 61.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 7:40 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    Well, the solution is easy, don’t wear plaid.

    Dead men don’t wear it, or so I understand.

  62. 62.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 21, 2019 at 7:40 pm

    @Baud: NOOOOOO!

  63. 63.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 7:41 pm

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym:

    So I suggested that perhaps once we get the major bugs hammered out our IT team can write up a tutorial on all the new features.

    I have started doing that a few things at a time, in the Dear WaterGirl series.

  64. 64.

    Baud

    November 21, 2019 at 7:44 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: 

    Much like the primary, I’m not crazy about my choices right now. We’ll see what comes out next year.

  65. 65.

    Baud

    November 21, 2019 at 7:45 pm

    I haven’t read through the thread but the delayed posting problem is still present.

  66. 66.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 7:52 pm

    @Mary G:

    I do miss the navigation up and down arrows that only went a short way up or down.

    If you hit the spacebar, it takes you down a bit at a time.

  67. 67.

    NotMax

    November 21, 2019 at 8:05 pm

    After you post a comment, do you have to manually refresh the page or post another comment before your previously posted comment shows up?

    Yes. Multiple refreshes required (varies from between two to as many as six).

    If your comment doesn’t appear right away, where do land after posting your comment?

    Top of page.

    Since Monday, has it happened consistently, frequently, occasionally, or once in a blue moon?

    Frequently. As in every second or third time commenting.

    Win 10, Firefox.

    Additional comment: Way to much vertical white space within the blockquote boxes for tweets on FP posts

  68. 68.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 8:08 pm

    Only 20 people reporting commenting problems.  That’s not too bad.  I’ve made a list of nyms, devices and browsers up top – if you are listed with ?? that means I don’t have enough information about your setup.

     

    I am seeing an awful lot of “Chrome” up there!  If you normally use Chrome but have access to another browser and are willing to see if that browser also has issues, that could be very helpful in figuring out what’s happening.

  69. 69.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 8:10 pm

    @NotMax:

    Additional comment: Way to much vertical white space within the blockquote boxes for tweets on FP posts

    There’s nothing to be done about that.  That’s what people see when they have social media turned off in their browser (Firefox for example) or in something like Ghostery.  With as lean as you run your system, I am not surprised that you would see the issue.

  70. 70.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 21, 2019 at 8:11 pm

    @Baud: I’m waiting for the next Note(or the one after that), I’m still really happy with my Note8.

  71. 71.

    The Golux

    November 21, 2019 at 8:12 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    ETA: One other thing that is particularly annoying, if I click on the nym of a person whose comment is being replied to, I go to that comment(as it should), HOWEVER the back button doesn’t reliably return me to the first comment.

    I get this too. It seems to work once, but thereafter, the back button goes to the first comment in which I clicked a link to an earlier comment.

  72. 72.

    trollhattan

    November 21, 2019 at 8:12 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Followup to an earlier issue, FF on Win 10 retains my nym autofill. All edit buttons present.

  73. 73.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 21, 2019 at 8:13 pm

    Refresh test on Edge.

     

    ETA: On Edge, same behavior, even worse than Chrome.

  74. 74.

    trollhattan

    November 21, 2019 at 8:14 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Aaand, with FF Win 10, I don’t have edit option and navigated to top of page after posting and had to refresh to see post.

    ETA edit option for previous comment appeared after a time lag. It was there instantly for this one. Server traffic issue?

  75. 75.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 8:15 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    We were told up front that Internet Explorer and Edge would be guaranteed to be basically functional on the site, but no guarantee that everything would work as it would for other browsers.  Happy that Edge will be updated soon to be a bit more standard.

  76. 76.

    geg6

    November 21, 2019 at 8:16 pm

    Occasionally, after I post a comment, I have to refresh to see it.  Also, I have yet to post a comment and not return to the first comment in the thread.  Never directly to my own comment.  iPhone 8 IOS 13 Safari.  All else is good.

  77. 77.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 21, 2019 at 8:17 pm

    @WaterGirl: Yes, it’ll be Chromium based so it will probably have the same behavior as Chrome.

  78. 78.

    Cheryl Rofer

    November 21, 2019 at 8:20 pm

    #1. @nym is not consistently showing up for me when I reply unless I close and reopen the box.

    ETA: Also does not refresh to the same place in the comments.

    Chrome on a desktop.

  79. 79.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 8:20 pm

    @geg6: Thank you!  That’s as helpful as hearing from the people who are having lots of issues.

  80. 80.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 21, 2019 at 8:20 pm

    @WaterGirl: Oh, you want to hear about my issues…

     

    Trump for one, but I could go on and on.

  81. 81.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 8:21 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: I don’t have any of these issues if I comment while logged in.  Are you always logged in, or sometimes yes and sometimes no?

    edit: what operating system?

  82. 82.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 8:23 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Siblings!  Siblings at the holidays!  So many issues.

  83. 83.

    SFAW

    November 21, 2019 at 8:23 pm

    “Yes” to questions 1, 2, 4, 5, 6

    Win XP/Chrome

  84. 84.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 21, 2019 at 8:24 pm

    @WaterGirl: I have no siblings.

  85. 85.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 8:25 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: Which refresh?  The refresh button in the browser?  Cmd-R or Ctrl-R or REFRESH from the white bar at the top?  If you think of it, try different refresh methods and see if it makes a difference.

     

    Also, on threads with a embedded tweets, it will never take you to or keep you in exactly the right place.

  86. 86.

    Mary G

    November 21, 2019 at 8:26 pm

    Win 10, Chrome

     

    I do want to add that I am gradually falling in love with the new site, as a person who can struggle with change it always takes a while, and nothing is wrong that I couldn’t live with. The only dealbreaker for me was embedding tweets, and now that I’ve learned how, I am a happy camper.

     

    And many thanks and admiration to WG who has shown the patience of a saint.

  87. 87.

    NotMax

    November 21, 2019 at 8:27 pm

    @WaterGirl

    There’s nothing to be done about that.

    All I can say to that is the extra vertical spacing (both above and below the text) within an FP post’s blockquote boxes appears on the new site and did not evidence the same way on the old one.

  88. 88.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 8:29 pm

    @Mary G:

    I am gradually falling in love with the new site.

    I am so happy to hear that!  (And thank you so much for the kind words.)

  89. 89.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 8:30 pm

    @NotMax: Feel free to send me a screen capture, but if it’s like the screen capture someone sent me earlier this week, the source of the problem is as I described above.

  90. 90.

    Ruckus

    November 21, 2019 at 8:31 pm

    iMac Safari Mojave latest updates.

    I always have to refresh to see my comments, sometimes twice.

    After I comment I most often end up at the top of comments.

    I never go back to who I replied to or stay at my comment. Either would be OK, back to who I replied to would be best IMHO.

    I no longer use the blockquote function, I just italicize because it’s far easier. Don’t have to go to text, don’t get stuck in the block quote box.

  91. 91.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 8:33 pm

    Firefox post  all button present and correct.

    ETA  straight to the top!  Two refreshes and back to the comment.

  92. 92.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 8:34 pm

    @jeffreyw:

    Firefox post  all button present and correct.

    Somehow it seemed like that should have been followed up with a “sir!”.  As in, reporting for duty, sir!.

  93. 93.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 8:35 pm

    @WaterGirl: Took two refreshes to see it, one refresh only to see edit

    ETA Sir!

    ETA Ma’am!

  94. 94.

    Raven

    November 21, 2019 at 8:36 pm

    @WaterGirl: He ain’t no sir. . .he worked for a living.

  95. 95.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 21, 2019 at 8:36 pm

    @WaterGirl: Ma’am.  Just saying.

  96. 96.

    Ohio Mom

    November 21, 2019 at 8:37 pm

    As I’ve mentioned before,  when I try to respond to a comment, the box in which the typing appears scrolls up and I can’t see what I am typing. It’s very frustrating, especially because I make a lot of typos and I can’t correct them as I go.

     

    I’ve pretty much reverted back to being a lurker most of the time.

     

    I have an old iphone, I think it’s a Five.

  97. 97.

    NotMax

    November 21, 2019 at 8:39 pm

    @WaterGirl

    Compare the amount of vertical spacing above and below the specific blockquoted text on the front page right now – look at the difference between the display of any tweet in the post just below this one and a post with a non-tweet blockquote further down the front page.

  98. 98.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 8:40 pm

    @Ohio Mom:

    As I’ve mentioned before,  when I try to respond to a comment, the box in which the typing appears scrolls up and I can’t see what I am typing. It’s very frustrating, especially because I make a lot of typos and I can’t correct them as I go.

    That happened to me on my iPhone 6 on Monday when someone caught me just as I was walking out the door to say that Germy was able to fully embed tweets.  I pulled out my phone as soon as I got to my hair appointment, and the comment box suddenly took up the whole screen. I was able to get out of it by hitting the X that is usually used to go “full screen” while editing.  Have you tried that

     

    P.S. What browser?

  99. 99.

    Starfish

    November 21, 2019 at 8:41 pm

    I have been experiencing commenting issues on my phone, an LG5.

    When I leave a comment from my phone using the Chrome browser, I have to refresh to see the comment show up.

    I think you said that “Comments” button takes you to the top of the comments section. It takes me all the way to the bottom of the comments on my phone.

    When I tried to use the WYSIWYG editor on my phone to paste a link, all hell broke loose. I highlighted the text, used the link button, and the phone could not decide if it wanted to open the onscreen keyboard or not. The onscreen keyboard just freaked out opening and closing itself so I abandoned the comment. This phone is slightly smaller than modern phones, and the keyboard takes up a lot of screen real estate.

  100. 100.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 8:44 pm

    @NotMax: I looked and it’s still not clear.  Which tweet are you referring to? There are a bunch of them on the page you linked to.

  101. 101.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 8:45 pm

    @Starfish:

    I think you said that “Comments” button takes you to the top of the comments section. It takes me all the way to the bottom of the comments on my phone.

    It’s actually COMMENT, as in “I want to post a comment”, so it takes you directly to the comment box.  There isn’t anything that takes you to the start of the comments.

  102. 102.

    trollhattan

    November 21, 2019 at 8:46 pm

    test

  103. 103.

    trollhattan

    November 21, 2019 at 8:47 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Reply to test

    –reply sent me to top of page, had to refresh to see reply and edit window on both.

    Chrome on different Win10 PC than earlier comments.

    Lots of variables!

  104. 104.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 8:48 pm

    Android 10 Pixel 3 comment.

    ETA fingers crossed

  105. 105.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 21, 2019 at 8:49 pm

    @trollhattan: @trollhattan: Did we pass?

  106. 106.

    Ruckus

    November 21, 2019 at 8:49 pm

    For my second comment of the evening, in another thread, I had to enter my name/email.

    First time in a week

    However now I end up at my comment after posting. So that’s better. It may have been that I didn’t reply to anyone.

  107. 107.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 8:50 pm

    @Starfish:

    When I tried to use the WYSIWYG editor on my phone to paste a link, all hell broke loose. I highlighted the text, used the link button, and the phone could not decide if it wanted to open the onscreen keyboard or not. The onscreen keyboard just freaked out opening and closing itself so I abandoned the comment. This phone is slightly smaller than modern phones, and the keyboard takes up a lot of screen real estate.

    This sounds like the crazy thing that (Billin, I think) found during testing.  I could not figure out what the heck he was describing, so he finally sent me a video.  Holy crap!  The link was there, then it flashed for a second and the comment was empty, then the link showed back up, flashed and was gone.  Repeat.  Does that sound like what you were seeing?

     

    I showed the video to the developers and he said that LINK is a basic wordpress thing that he has no control over, so sadly there was no fix for that.

  108. 108.

    trollhattan

    November 21, 2019 at 8:50 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Get the air freshener, stat!

  109. 109.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 8:50 pm

    @jeffreyw: reply test

  110. 110.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 8:51 pm

    @Ruckus: Were you in private browsing, by any chance?  Or have your browser set to not being able to save cookies?

  111. 111.

    TS (the original)

    November 21, 2019 at 8:51 pm

    Just to mention – as a win 7 user –  I don’t think it is worth testing further on Win 7 as it won’t be supported by MS after the end of this year. Much as I luv my 10 year old machine, it is being replace at Christmas

     

    I mentioned my errors above because I don’t think they are particular to win 7 – other folks have the same issues

     

    Edit1 And – that worked perfectly, took me to the comment with edit available

    Edit 2 – and that also updated the comment instantly & brought me back here

  112. 112.

    NotMax

    November 21, 2019 at 8:52 pm

    @WaterGirl

    Just put together a screenshot showing both those posts together for purposes of comparison. (Reduced the image size so as to have it show up in full on the screen more readily.)

  113. 113.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 8:52 pm

    reply test not so good- four tries

  114. 114.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 8:54 pm

    @Ruckus: Oh, please test that, if you can.  Does it behave differently with a reply than with a totally new comment from the comment box at the bottom?

  115. 115.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 8:54 pm

    @jeffreyw: another go at it

    eta better!  one try and ok

  116. 116.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 8:55 pm

    @jeffreyw: 4 tries with what result?  i am bouncing from bottom to top so I can add people’s information and results at the top, so I may have missed that detail.

  117. 117.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 8:57 pm

    @NotMax: That’s super helpful.

    Please Report Any Remaining Commenting Issues

    Yes, what you have in that screen capture is EXACLTY how you see tweets if you have turned off social media in the “helpful” Firefox setting or if you have blocked social media in Ghostery.

  118. 118.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 8:57 pm

    @WaterGirl: I poked the button and nothing happened – 4 pokes and no salad

    sorry

  119. 119.

    Mary G

    November 21, 2019 at 9:00 pm

    Switched to Firefox to see if I can tell any difference in comments showing up.

     

    ETA: comment showed right up. Now trying to see if I can edit more than once.

     

    ETA 2: yes, I can, much smoother than Chrome at the moment anyway.

     

    ETA 3: can edit three times!

  120. 120.

    Cheryl Rofer

    November 21, 2019 at 9:00 pm

    @WaterGirl: Always logged in.

    Operating system: Windows 10

  121. 121.

    Cheryl Rofer

    November 21, 2019 at 9:01 pm

    @WaterGirl: Refresh in the white bar

    ETA: Ah, okay about the tweets. This is not a big deal as far as I’m concerned, just thought that reporting it might help.

  122. 122.

    J R in WV

    November 21, 2019 at 9:01 pm

    @WaterGirl:

     

    ON my system, System 76 laptop, Ubuntu 18.04.3, Firefox 70.0.1 my spacebar does a page down, always.

  123. 123.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 9:03 pm

    @jeffreyw: I’m sorry.  which button did you poke 4 times?  using which device/browser combination?

  124. 124.

    NotMax

    November 21, 2019 at 9:04 pm

    @WaterGirl

    To which I reply that no settings or add-ons in Firefox at this end have been altered, added or subtracted from what they were before the new site rollout, yet the display pattern (blockquoted tweets versus blockquoted non-tweets) is vastly different from previously.

  125. 125.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 9:05 pm

    @J R in WV: Yes, I was being imprecise.  My spacebar takes me down one screen at a time on my laptop.  So if I can see #19 in my list on the bottom of my screen, if I hit the spacebar, it rolls up and #20 is at the top of my screen.

  126. 126.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 9:07 pm

    @NotMax: Maybe debbie can tell you which exact setting it was in Firefox that allowed her to see the tweets in a more normal way. I directed her toward her browser and/or something like Ghostery, and she found the setting in Firefox.

    Paging debbie, debbie, please come to the courtesy phone.

  127. 127.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 9:08 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: Reporting everything is helpful!  Like the cops always say on the TV, you never know which details will be important.  It’s easy to ignore information that isn’t useful, but sometimes you don’t know what you don’t know, until someone tells you.  So I appreciate all details!

     

    P.S. Experiment with the other ways to refresh and see if it makes a difference.  The REFRESH in the white bar is super helpful on a tablet or a phone, but on a computer I get more accurate results with the browser button or Cmd-R.

  128. 128.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 9:11 pm

    android  9  Samsung S9. test a one anda 2

  129. 129.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 9:11 pm

    that went ok

    edit 123

  130. 130.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 9:11 pm

    @Mary G: That’s super helpful!  Just look at the list up top – Chrome, chrome, chrome.  (not 100% but it’s way overrepresented in our sample than it should be if browser was irrelevant.

  131. 131.

    NotMax

    November 21, 2019 at 9:12 pm

    @WaterGirl

    I’m intimately familiar with FF settings, thank you very much. Was pointing out this is new, disparate display behavior which did not occur previously with the same FF configuration.

  132. 132.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 9:12 pm

    @jeffreyw: Samsung internet for the browser?  I am not an android girl, is that  phone or a tablet?

  133. 133.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 9:13 pm

    @jeffreyw: reply to test

  134. 134.

    debbie

    November 21, 2019 at 9:13 pm

    @WaterGirl:

     

    Not this debbie. I’m in Chrome.

  135. 135.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 9:14 pm

    @NotMax: I am just trying to point you in the direction of a solution that can resolve your problem with the site we have now. The old site is gone, there is no going back to see what was different, etc.

  136. 136.

    JaySinWA

    November 21, 2019 at 9:14 pm

    I have seen the need to refresh after post infrequently. A new post not showing will send me to the top of the page. An edit not posting sends me to some random area in a comment chain.

    I haven’t seen the formatting buttons disappear recently, but I haven’t been posting much either. When I did see it, it seemed to be during times with a large number of comments.

    ChromeOS Chrome.

  137. 137.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 9:15 pm

    no trouble so far

  138. 138.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 9:16 pm

    lost tabs now

  139. 139.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 9:16 pm

    @debbie: You can’t see me, but i am making a face, though not at you.  Am I remembering the right debbie, with all the spacing in the tweets, and it was Chrome and not Firefox?  (I don’t use either.)  Or do i have the whole thing wrong and it was someone else entirely?  (the 4 days of Testing are a bit of a blur.)

  140. 140.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 9:17 pm

    tabs back on refresh

  141. 141.

    trollhattan

    November 21, 2019 at 9:18 pm

    @debbie:

    Fun fact: “Debbie in Chrome” was an unreleased Russ Meyer film. ;-)

  142. 142.

    Cheryl Rofer

    November 21, 2019 at 9:18 pm

    @WaterGirl: Ah, okay, the browser refresh button seems to be more consistent. Thanks!

  143. 143.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 9:19 pm

    @JaySinWA: Are you on a chromebook?

  144. 144.

    JaySinWA

    November 21, 2019 at 9:19 pm

    @JaySinWA: I didn’t get an edit option with my last comment.

    I did with this one. I haven’t seen that one in a while.

  145. 145.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 9:20 pm

    so far brave browser (firefox engine) on android 9 has performed the best for me tonight

    eta test

    edit took one refresh to see

  146. 146.

    JaySinWA

    November 21, 2019 at 9:21 pm

    @WaterGirl: Yes Chromebook, ChromeOS, Chrome.

    ETA now I can edit after a second comment. could not before

  147. 147.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 9:22 pm

    @jeffreyw: I would be forever grateful if you would be wiling to list your various devices and results, in really simple form that I can just copy.

    e.g. totally made up

    Windows 10 / Firefox (1,2,4,6)

    samsung 9 / Chrome everything works

    iPhone 8 / Safari (2, 5)

  148. 148.

    debbie

    November 21, 2019 at 9:23 pm

    @WaterGirl:

     

    My three devices all use Chrome. FWIW, tweets don’t have excessive white space for me. (Blur totally understandable.)

  149. 149.

    JaySinWA

    November 21, 2019 at 9:23 pm

    @JaySinWA: And again I didn’t see my comment and I didn’t get an edit button after pressing the whitebar refresh.

    After this comment edit buttons appear with this and my prior comment.

  150. 150.

    MobiusKlein

    November 21, 2019 at 9:24 pm

    I keep making dumb comments like this one @MobiusKlein

  151. 151.

    Ruckus

    November 21, 2019 at 9:26 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Cookies! I want cookies. I’m not allowed to eat them but I still want the hell out of them……

    I was trying to clear the cache for the WP and that’s I’m sure the issue.

    Nothings ever been my fault before, I swear. OK that’s true, I do swear, copiously and with words mom only used occasionally……… And some others that she may not have known, but then just because I never heard her say them…….

  152. 152.

    Ruckus

    November 21, 2019 at 9:28 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    I don’t know let’s see……

    Kept me at my comment, didn’t return me upstairs.

    When I edited my comment the edit didn’t show until I refreshed.

  153. 153.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 9:28 pm

    @debbie: It was you, i Just remembered the details wrong.

    Actually, I figured it out. It’s AdBlock. I set it to block ads, but I wouldn’t have thought either Twitter or RSS would be considered ads?

  154. 154.

    NotMax

    November 21, 2019 at 9:29 pm

    @WaterGirl

    Screenshot of previous appearance of blockquoted tweets courtesy of archive.org to the rescue.

  155. 155.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 9:29 pm

    @Ruckus: hahaha thanks for the laugh.

  156. 156.

    Redshift

    November 21, 2019 at 9:32 pm

    Test 1

  157. 157.

    Redshift

    November 21, 2019 at 9:32 pm

    @Redshift: Test 2

  158. 158.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 9:33 pm

    @Redshift: You are being carded at the door. :-) Cost of admission is telling me what device and browser.

  159. 159.

    Wolvesvalley

    November 21, 2019 at 9:35 pm

    @Starfish: There is one thing you can click on that will take you to the top of the comments, and that’s the notation of the number of comments right under the title of the post, at end of the line with the byline and the date and time.

    I have experienced the jumping keyboard thing with the link on my Android tablet in landscape mode. I can eliminate it by turning the tablet to portrait mode, but of course that won’t help on a phone which is already in portrait mode. The other workaround that helps me is to use an external bluetooth keyboard.

  160. 160.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 9:38 pm

    @Wolvesvalley:

    There is one thing you can click on that will take you to the top of the comments, and that’s the notation of the number of comments right under the title of the post, at end of the line with the byline and the date and time.

    Thank you!  I had the developers put that in, but I had forgotten about it because I never use it myself. :-)

  161. 161.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 9:39 pm

    @Redshift:   That was my attempt at humor. Hopefully you did not go away mad!

  162. 162.

    Ruckus

    November 21, 2019 at 9:39 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Tried to respond, commenting no working for moment. Had to close BJ and reopen.

    At first it had no reply name, closed and reopened and 2 of you showed up. Could not edit or add anything to the box.

    Upon closing tab and reopening editing seemed to work, let’s see.

  163. 163.

    JaySinWA

    November 21, 2019 at 9:41 pm

    @Starfish: You may want to try a different onscreen keyboard. Google’s Gboard or another may behave better than LG’s stock keyboard.

    ETA and the switch from landscape to portrait may work as well as @Wolvesvalley:  reported.

  164. 164.

    Redshift

    November 21, 2019 at 9:42 pm

    Working fine for me right now! I was frequently having to use the refresh button to see comments (and being taken to the top of the page) earlier in the week, so it’s a big improvement. If it comes back, I’ll let you know.

     

    Pixel XL phone, Android 10, Chrome

  165. 165.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 9:42 pm

    @NotMax: I see that it looks different, as you said. We are using much more up-to-date software and things behave differently. You are seeing stripped down tweets rather than full tweets, so for the solution, i can only point you to whatever you have in place that is blocking tweets from displaying in their tweet format.

  166. 166.

    Raven

    November 21, 2019 at 9:42 pm

    Florida man demands less money during bank robbery.

  167. 167.

    Jay C

    November 21, 2019 at 9:45 pm

    I’ve had pretty much all these problems since the new site went live, but most of them have self-corrected (or been corrected – thanks, WaterGirl!). About the only issues I have had – intermittently – are:

    • having to “refresh” several times to see my new comment(s)
    • edit function vanished a couple of times (timer didn’t show)

    Jay C – old Dell PC/ Windows 7 Pro/ Chrome

    new HP PC/ Windows 10 / Chrome

     

    I also have a iPad, but don’t use it for BJ much.

  168. 168.

    Wolvesvalley

    November 21, 2019 at 9:45 pm

    Testing to see if the jumping keyboard happens when trying to link on my Android phone.

    Link

    No, but I just typed the URL instead of attempting to paste it.

    This is weird; I get the edit countdown on my phone but not my desktop (BJ is open on both).

  169. 169.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 9:46 pm

    I do not know how you guys that post with phones on Balloon Juice do it.  I would rather drill holes in metal or eat bugs than try to comment on a blog from a phone.  As my Dad always said, people are different, that’s what makes the world go ’round.

     

    But it does surely help explain why phones may see more issues than other devices. I feel like i spent the last 3 months testing the new site, but I was not able to do much testing on my phone.

    edit: and I wasn’t able to test with cache turned on.

  170. 170.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 9:47 pm

    Watergirl —

    Worst performer is win 10 chrome,  chrome is my daily driver on several desktop machines

    A switch to firefox on these machines yields no improvement.  symptoms = delays in seeing comments, needs one or more refreshes, sometimes goes from button push to top of page, sometimes works fine  comment tabs mostly there but not always,  been seeing comments that when the comment is a no show that the result is usually a trip to the top.  I think this is the caching issue you have mentioned

     

    Two phones both running Brave browser  a Pixel 3 – running android 10 – that is the one that successive button pushes were needed to see a change .  May be a screen sensitivity issue unrelated to site.

    2nd phone samsung S9 running android 9 has been working well albeit needing a refresh to see the edit I just made.

    Brave browser is an adblocker type browser that reports as a Firefox browser

  171. 171.

    NotMax

    November 21, 2019 at 9:47 pm

    @WaterGirl

    Last reply and then shall try to stay mum about it.

    I experience this display difference on exactly zero other sites.

  172. 172.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 9:48 pm

    @jeffreyw: Thank you so much.

  173. 173.

    Redshift

    November 21, 2019 at 9:49 pm

    @JaySinWA: I’ve experienced some weirdness with an on-screen keyboard (GBoard) and the editor, too. If I’m not at the end of the text, it seems to get confused about where the cursor is when it autocompletes a word, and it sometimes replaces the next word instead of inserting before it, and other times it inserts the word in the middle of a following word.

     

    (I reported it and WaterGirl said the developer said it’s not something they can fix, sadly.)

  174. 174.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 9:49 pm

    @NotMax: You may have the privilege of having the last word on this one.  I’m afraid I have nothing else to offer than what i have already said.

  175. 175.

    JaySinWA

    November 21, 2019 at 9:50 pm

    Howdy from my lg using gboard https://balloon-juice.com/2019/11/21/please-report-any-remaining-commenting-issues/#comment-7480005 eta

  176. 176.

    Amir Khalid

    November 21, 2019 at 9:53 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    I’m havng some of these same problems on my Win7/Firefox laptop; am I on the list? Just checking.

  177. 177.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 9:53 pm

    @jeffreyw: Thank you so much for the testing and the summary!  Chrome seems to hold on to cache much longer than other browsers, so it’s no surprise that Chrome would have more of these issues than other browsers.

    We all have our favorite browsers, and I would never dream of telling someone that they need to switch in order to have the site behave.  Just trying to suss out patterns here, because the more I can help define the issues for the developers, the easier it is for them to solve.

  178. 178.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 9:54 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Hi Amir, tell me the numbers of the problems you are having, and how frequently, and I will add you to the list in a heartbeat.

  179. 179.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 21, 2019 at 9:55 pm

    @WaterGirl: Especially since FireFox is the spawn of Satan.

  180. 180.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 21, 2019 at 9:56 pm

    @Amir Khalid: If WaterGirl’s list is anything like Cole’s list, you don’t want to be on it.

  181. 181.

    NotMax

    November 21, 2019 at 9:57 pm

    On to something completely different.

    Can we (meaning you) fix things so browser is not overridden and any visited link shows in a different color (as per browser settings)?

    If interrupted by a phone call, nature’s call, etc. cannot always remember which links people have provided that I may already have clicked on to visit, and the current iteration of the site keeps the link color showing in the unvisited color.

  182. 182.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 21, 2019 at 9:58 pm

    Random observation…Don’t you hate it when you go to Costco and the customer ahead of you in line has something that looks really yummy and you didn’t see it before you got in line?

  183. 183.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 9:59 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I’m with you on that one!

  184. 184.

    Gin & Tonic

    November 21, 2019 at 10:00 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    or eat bugs

    Don’t knock it if you haven’t tried it.

  185. 185.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 10:00 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: You mean you don’t just say “hey, squirrel! look over there!” and then grab it from their cart?  You know, like the rest of us do?

  186. 186.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 10:01 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: If you told me I either had to spend 30 minutes commenting on anything from my phone, or eat a fly, I am pretty sure I would eat the fly and get it over with.

  187. 187.

    Starfish

    November 21, 2019 at 10:01 pm

    @WaterGirl: This sounds similar. It was just the keyboard kept opening and closing.

  188. 188.

    Starfish

    November 21, 2019 at 10:03 pm

    @JaySinWA: I think I am using SwiftKey. I should have mentioned that.

  189. 189.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 21, 2019 at 10:03 pm

    @WaterGirl: Good idea, they were Sander’s dark chocolate caramels.

  190. 190.

    Redshift

    November 21, 2019 at 10:03 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: At mine, they usually ask if I there was anything I couldn’t find, and they’ll send someone to get it if so.

  191. 191.

    NotMax

    November 21, 2019 at 10:04 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA

    Not as much as when someone ahead in line wants their items rung up in segments so they get two, three, or more separate receipts.

  192. 192.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 10:05 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I have never heard of Sander’s, but dark chocolate and caramel – I am all over that.

  193. 193.

    Redshift

    November 21, 2019 at 10:05 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I was sent to get those and couldn’t find them! And they were on sale! (And contrary to my earlier comment, it was closing time so I didn’t sent them to fetch some.)

  194. 194.

    Amir Khalid

    November 21, 2019 at 10:06 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    I’m encountering 2, intermittently;  3, usually at the top but sometimes elsewhere; 4, ditto; and 5, the visual-mode formattin buttons are sometimes replaced with a quite different set.

  195. 195.

    Gin & Tonic

    November 21, 2019 at 10:08 pm

    @WaterGirl: Not flies.

  196. 196.

    JaySinWA

    November 21, 2019 at 10:11 pm

    @Redshift: I rarely use the keyboard on my phone or android devices. Occasionally I use the Programmer’s keyboard, but mostly Gboard these day (or lastpass for password entry) . Tonight was the first time testing, ’cause I don’t do it much. But since I pontificated, I thought I should check. No bouncing, but it isn’t straightforward either. I was going to see if I could recreate it with LG’s default. I may yet, but it is tedious to do. I would probably just paste blind links rather than use the link tab. That seems to behave.

    I haven’t typed enough to see auto-correct errors.

  197. 197.

    something fabulous

    November 21, 2019 at 10:11 pm

    @WaterGirl: so what else is new? ???

  198. 198.

    cmorenc

    November 21, 2019 at 10:12 pm

    @Watergirl:

    cmorenc: ?? [which browser]

    Chrome.

  199. 199.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 10:12 pm

    OK different room different machine.Win 10 chrome

  200. 200.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 21, 2019 at 10:13 pm

    @Redshift: Yeah, $29 for the 2 pack.  The lady who had them said they were towards the back of the store, I guess in the the Christmas candies section.  Sale ends today, I’m tempted to go back.

  201. 201.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 10:13 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: I’m afraid to read that.

  202. 202.

    chopper

    November 21, 2019 at 10:14 pm

    site is definitely not working on my commodore 128.

  203. 203.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 10:14 pm

    and now over to firefox

  204. 204.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 10:15 pm

    @jeffreyw: reply to test win10 firefox

    edit test

  205. 205.

    JaySinWA

    November 21, 2019 at 10:16 pm

    @Starfish: I used swiftkey for about an hour and gave up on it years ago. Not my cuppa tea.

    Can you blind paste links (just paste without using the link do-hickey?) I generally do that anyway where it works, and it is transparent to the reader where it is going. I hate obfuscated links that send me to pay sites.

  206. 206.

    Gin & Tonic

    November 21, 2019 at 10:16 pm

    @WaterGirl: Here’s the jumbo size, so you can share with your friends.

  207. 207.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 10:18 pm

    my #204 needed a refresh to see edit, lost edit ability no countdown timer

    edit box and timer back with one refresh

  208. 208.

    NotMax

    November 21, 2019 at 10:18 pm

    @above

    Speaking of Costco, their house brand Côtes du Rhône Villages is now available. Doesn’t stay in stock for a long time here when it shows up each year. Haven’t yet tried the vintage available this year but have been far, far from disappointed in years past. Protip: let it breathe for a bit.

    Also, many (but not all) states do not allow members only retail sales of wines and spirits, so even if you’re not a member you can go to the service desk and get a free temporary Costco card to enable you to purchase liquor. Same with making use of their pharmacy.

    Or can always ask a friend who is a member to purchase a Costco gift card for you.

  209. 209.

    Redshift

    November 21, 2019 at 10:20 pm

    @JaySinWA: Well, not really autocorrect, tracing out words (what used to be called Swype before they incorporated it into GBoard.) I just said autocorrect so I didn’t have to explain that. :-)

  210. 210.

    Amir Khalid

    November 21, 2019 at 10:20 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Which is why I access this site on my phone only when the internet connection to my laptop is down.

  211. 211.

    J R in WV

    November 21, 2019 at 10:21 pm

    @WaterGirl:

     

    Just now I clicked on a comment link and went up thread to that location. Then when I clicked on the back arrow, I went to a random location slightly below my original destination, no where near the site where I linked away up thread.

     

    Hope this helps!

  212. 212.

    NotMax

    November 21, 2019 at 10:23 pm

    @BillinGlendale

    I try my darndest to not travel on Black Friday but the $25 off any standing rib roast Costco is offering is mighty tempting.

  213. 213.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 10:23 pm

    just for fun another phone Sammy S8 android 9

    edit test

  214. 214.

    JaySinWA

    November 21, 2019 at 10:23 pm

    @Redshift: Swype is one of those things I never mastered, I hated it in swiftkey and avoid it in Gboard. Hunt and peck is fraught with enough errors for me.

  215. 215.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 10:24 pm

    @jeffreyw: reply to test

  216. 216.

    JaySinWA

    November 21, 2019 at 10:25 pm

    New comments are consistently not showing for me now without refresh. It tends to happen as the number of comments increase in any given thread, I believe.

    And of course I said it and this one popped up immediately. I thing WP AI is messing with me.

  217. 217.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 10:26 pm

    @jeffreyw:

    (4 MIN AND 1 SECONDS)

  218. 218.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 10:29 pm

    @jeffreyw: boogered that right up on the S8, tried a copy paste blockquote but I blame phone commenting in general for that

  219. 219.

    Scout211

    November 21, 2019 at 10:29 pm

    I have had no issues on my Mac (Mojave) using Chrome browser. I do have issues occasionally on iPad iOS 12.4.1 using Chrome. Occasionally, the comment box looks funny. The icons are blue and there are no tabs for visual or text. Refreshing restores it back to normal.

  220. 220.

    JaySinWA

    November 21, 2019 at 10:30 pm

    @jeffreyw: I can’t hear you.

  221. 221.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 10:31 pm

    My #218 was from win10 firefox machine and it took me to the top at first and needed a refresh to get me back to see the comment

  222. 222.

    something fabulous

    November 21, 2019 at 10:32 pm

    I had a thing with links to photo sites, but I hear that is fixed by now opening a new tab instead. Great!

    inserting a link as another test!

  223. 223.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 10:33 pm

    @JaySinWA:

    CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

  224. 224.

    trollhattan

    November 21, 2019 at 10:34 pm

    @jeffreyw:

    What?

  225. 225.

    JaySinWA

    November 21, 2019 at 10:35 pm

    @jeffreyw: is everyone seeing

    (NaN seconds)

    in 217 after the reply button? That NaN means not a number, and is not a good thing in this context I am sure.

  226. 226.

    JaySinWA

    November 21, 2019 at 10:36 pm

    @jeffreyw: Yes, no need to shout.

  227. 227.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 10:37 pm

    I’m with jaySinWA, last 2 comments have needed a refresh

  228. 228.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 10:37 pm

    @JaySinWA:

    Please Report Any Remaining Commenting Issues 1

    I am not, but I am logged in. How about other people?

  229. 229.

    James E Powell

    November 21, 2019 at 10:38 pm

    I’m using chrome on a macbook air.

    I have Problem #2 almost every time I post a reply.

    After posting a reply, I land somewhere upthread but never back to the comment to which I replied.

  230. 230.

    something fabulous

    November 21, 2019 at 10:39 pm

    @something fabulous:

    Interesting! So: here’s my experience: I posted the comment at 222. I then zoomed to the top of the page using the up arrow, confirmed that it was at the top of “recent comments,” clicked on it to get back to the comment and had no edit window! So I replied to it instead and I get the thing with only text version for making the comment! No selection of tabs to toggle between. And moreover my cursor lands to the left of the code for “@me”, so scrolled over to the end of it and hit return before typing. Hope this summary makes sense. Off to see how it looks & where I land..

     

    [adding an edit: this looks fine!

     

    [edit #2: just now used the @me to go back to my comment at 222, which worked fine, but the back button to get back to this comment did not. Whoops, I do seem to remember if you hit the back button twice, that can work, but did not try it just now in my haste to get back to the edit window : )

     

    [edit #3: …and now, did not see edit #2 upon hitting refresh, at all. Hit it twice more with a few moments in between and now here it is. Have no hypotheses whether it is to do with the number of times I hit it or time elapses or sunspots or what, though.

     

    [edit #4: …and this edit showed up immediately! I got nothin‘.]

  231. 231.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 10:40 pm

    @JaySinWA: I managed to fully embed a Tweet the other day looked like a front pager’s effort.  (For certain iterations of front pager, anyway.)

  232. 232.

    JaySinWA

    November 21, 2019 at 10:42 pm

    @WaterGirl: I see what your screen shot shows on my android phone, the NaN is on my Chromebook. In either case it is an error to have a timer after reply, isn’t it? Should only be edit.

  233. 233.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 10:43 pm

    @jeffreyw: I’m sure that was a thrill!  Germy was able to do that on Monday.  Sorry to tell you, but I believe we have that blocked for the future. :-)

  234. 234.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 10:43 pm

    @WaterGirl: I saw it like you show at first but to changed to NaN on refresh

  235. 235.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 10:43 pm

    @JaySinWA: can you get a screen capture and send it to me by email to watergirl at BJ?

  236. 236.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 10:44 pm

    @jeffreyw: If Jay can’t get a screen capture, maybe you can?

  237. 237.

    NotMax

    November 21, 2019 at 10:46 pm

    Really, really weird.

    Am seeing this:

    (4 MIN AND 1 SECONDS)

    immediately following the reply button on #217 above.

  238. 238.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 10:48 pm

    @WaterGirl: I do see it now!  (NaN seconds) shows above reply.

    Please Report Any Remaining Commenting Issues 2

  239. 239.

    JaySinWA

    November 21, 2019 at 10:49 pm

    @WaterGirl: I can. I realize that the screen you are seeing is different from my phone screen. Your picture was too small for my old eyes.

    I see a timer value of (4 min and 1 sec) on the phone.

  240. 240.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 10:52 pm

    @WaterGirl: check your inbox

  241. 241.

    jeffreyw

    November 21, 2019 at 10:59 pm

    watergirl, I’m pretty sure that my bungled copy/paste in a reply to test going for a blockquote happened at the 4 min 1 sec point in the edit window of my #217.  I managed to copy what I thought was a text string in the comment but fat fingered the time remaining value instead.

  242. 242.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 11:00 pm

    @jeffreyw: whew!  that makes me feel much better!

  243. 243.

    JaySinWA

    November 21, 2019 at 11:00 pm

    @jeffreyw:

     

    @JaySinWA: Ditto, check inbox for screenshot from Chromebook and Android.

  244. 244.

    JaySinWA

    November 21, 2019 at 11:04 pm

    @JaySinWA:

     

    @jeffreyw:

     

    @WaterGirl:

    Don’t get too comfortable. My screen shows it after the reply button not part of the message. and why NaN sometimes and 4 Min 1 sec others (as you saw) there’s something abnormal here.

    Or what NotMax saw:

    @WaterGirl:

     

    @NotMax:

  245. 245.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 11:12 pm

    @jeffreyw: You are right, it was a bungled copy & paste.

    I peeked at your comment and I could see this had been entered as text:

    <span class=”comment-edit-timer”>(4 MIN AND 1 SECONDS)

  246. 246.

    frosty

    November 21, 2019 at 11:18 pm

    1. Infrequent replies, but @nym has only shown up
    2. No refresh needed. Works as intended.
    3. Comment appears right away
    4. I don’t recall where I bounce to
    5. formatting buttons have not disappeared
    6. Edits have taken less than 5-minutes
    7. Comments have not disappeared

    No real problems with commenting. HP Notebook /Win10 and Apple iPhone SE Safari

  247. 247.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 11:20 pm

    @frosty: thank you!

     

    What device/browsers are you using?

  248. 248.

    JaySinWA

    November 21, 2019 at 11:22 pm

    @WaterGirl: I am seeing in the Chromebook view source the following sequence as well:

    <div class=”comment-content“><p><a href=”#comment-7480081” rel=”nofollow ugc“>@jeffreyw</a>:</p><p><span class=”comment-edit-timer“>(4 MIN AND 1 SECONDS)</p><p></span></p></div>

    The <span class=”comment-edit-timer” is probably what stuck it outside the reply button. probably should be part of the html cleanup for text mode.

  249. 249.

    JaySinWA

    November 21, 2019 at 11:25 pm

    test (4 MIN AND 20 SECONDS)

  250. 250.

    debbie

    November 21, 2019 at 11:37 pm

    FWIW, it just took four refreshes for my comment to appear in the new thread. A new record

     

    (This one showed up immediately.)

  251. 251.

    something fabulous

    November 21, 2019 at 11:39 pm

    testing

     It’s the first time in history that women are the majority of the debate stage!

    block quotes!

     

    –and lookit that! text tab works too!

  252. 252.

    JaySinWA

    November 21, 2019 at 11:39 pm

    @JaySinWA: I can’t quite recreate it to get the info next to the reply button. I have tried several edits, and I will let the real timer timeout to see if that changes things.

    ETA Nope,

    @jeffreyw:

    must have the magic touch.

  253. 253.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2019 at 11:53 pm

    Thanks to everyone for all the information and the testing!

  254. 254.

    TomatoQueen

    November 21, 2019 at 11:56 pm

    On the work computer, almost all of the commenting functions are missing, the nym is never there the first time but then is there for the rest of the session, and the happy navigation arrows along the top, to the right of “Our Store” aren’t there at all. The Comment and Refresh functions appear at the top, middle of the box. Nonetheless, the comment box works. This is in IE 11 (not possible to change it),Win10 HP Laptop, with a proprietary  ad blocker that is impossible to get to.

     

    The personal computer shows all the commenting functions in their proper places. Usually the nym is there but not always & so has to be typed in, and it stays for the rest of the session. Having to refresh to see the first reply is now a habit, but is a bit disconcerting. Other navigational aids are fully functional, and the flyout tabs are a little bit better, but still too big and don’t fade when inactive. This is in Firefox 70.0.1 64 Bit, Win 7 Prof, Lenovo ThinkPad, AdBlock Plus.

  255. 255.

    WaterGirl

    November 22, 2019 at 12:01 am

    @TomatoQueen: Yeah, you and I have talked before about Internet Explorer on your work computer, and I was pleased during testing that the site worked as well with IE as it did.  So there’s nothing to be done there

     

    I have not seen a problem with the nym not being retained unless the person does one of two things, either 1) coming to BJ in private mode, because then the cookie is not saved, or 2) having set your browser so that cookies are not saved.  Does your setup resemble one of those two situations?

     

    If the flyouts aren’t pale blue and quite see-through on your computer, I think there must be something that is set on your system that is causing you to see them only a little bit better, because the change is quite dramatic in terms of being able to easily read what is below them.

  256. 256.

    WaterGirl

    November 22, 2019 at 12:17 am

    I feel certain that there are hundreds of hardware / operating system / browser / setting combinations represented here by Balloon Juice commenters, and it’s not possible for everything to be exactly right on every combination, no matter how varied or old or how unusual the setups.   No matter how talented the developers – and we are lucky to have our developers, who are most certainly clever and are quite talented – there will definitely be “edge” cases where it’s not possible for every single thing to be perfect for everyone on every possible permutation.

     

    But the issues of comments sometimes not showing up until they are manually refreshed, sometimes even multiple times, the edit window disappearing, not landing in the proper place after posting a comment, having to hit the reply button twice before @nym shows up… all of those things are almost certainly cache related and can be fixed so they can be counted on to behave in a reliable fashion.

     

    Not patting myself on the back, because I did none of the actual programming, but I expect that anyone with much experience at all in the area of website development and rollouts for a site this complex could tell you that we are in really great shape for being just one week out from the rollout. You have all been quite patient, and I hope you can all be patient for just a little while longer.

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    Omnes Omnibus

    November 22, 2019 at 12:21 am

    @WaterGirl: Just don’t tell us we are internetting wrong and we should be okay.

  258. 258.

    TomatoQueen

    November 22, 2019 at 12:27 am

    @WaterGirl:  I have the “do not track” check box checked to avoid backtracking by evil sites, as well as the “delete cookies & site data when Firefox is closed”, and in spite of that box, such cookies and data are taking up 1 GB of space–somehow. There’s a button that calls itself manage permissions which at this hour is to be looked at but not touched.

    As to the flyouts–I have my display setups set to enlarge everything slightly, use Times New Roman where feasible, and use system colors, with everything looking as close as possible to Windows Classic. So somewhere in all that display stuff is some setting or other that will affect the flyouts. I may or may not find it or them! But the effect occurs in both browsers, so I’ll just need to find the common element.

    Otherwise it all looks lovely.  Thank you very much.

  259. 259.

    WaterGirl

    November 22, 2019 at 12:34 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: Fair enough. If you catch me saying something that sounds like i think you are internet-ing wrong, you can be assured that I will have somehow bumbled my communication.  Because telling people they are using the internet wrong is beyond arrogant and insulting, and that is most certainly not how I view things.

  260. 260.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 22, 2019 at 12:34 am

    @WaterGirl: Also too, there are bugs, but since I started commenting here over a decade ago the site has had bugs.*  I think of it like Cole’s new house – you walk in and find Walter, but then you fall through a hole in the front porch.

     

    The place works better than it did before and I am sure you guys will clean up a lot of what’s left.  Sincere thanks to you and the whole team (except a couple of the testers – you know what you did).

     

    *If it didn’t we wouldn’t recognize the place.

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    frosty

    November 22, 2019 at 12:47 am

    @WaterGirl: Firefox on the HP and both Safari and Firefox on the iPhone. I was surprised to see myself on the “reporting problems” list because I’d intended to report “no problems”. Commenting has been working fine for me.

  262. 262.

    Deep Southerner

    November 22, 2019 at 1:24 am

    @Spanky: Test Test Test

  263. 263.

    Deep Southerner

    November 22, 2019 at 1:24 am

    Test Test Test

  264. 264.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 22, 2019 at 4:22 am

    After you post a comment, do you have to manually refresh the page or post another comment before your previously posted comment shows up?

    Yes. Sometimes takes 2 or 3 refreshes before my comment does appear, tho there appears to be a time factor involved.

    If your comment doesn’t appear right away, where do land after posting your comment?

    At the top of the page.

    How often? 1 out of 10 comments or so

    Windows 10, Firefox.

    Also, when I am reading comments and say Spanky replies to something Kay says. If I click on Kay’s name to see what elicited Spanky’s response, when I then click on the return arrow it takes me nowhere near Spanky’s comment, and I have to start scrolling in search of it, which is especially a pain if I didn’t notice what # comment it was.

    Also, if you are taking a poll, I am in favor of getting rid of the pop up comment box when I am replying to a person.

    Lastly, thanx for all you do WG. I know you aren’t getting paid near enough to put up with a bunch of baying jackals. Or should that be braying?

  265. 265.

    Steeplejack

    November 22, 2019 at 5:12 am

    Came here to report ongoing problem on Android with Samsung browser, i.e., after posting a comment I am left at the top of the original post or a few screens down from there, and I have to refresh the page to see my comment.

    Now that I’m here (Win10, Firefox), the pop-up comment window does not appear. I get the “in-line” comment box, which appears to be in Text mode. (Limited set of buttons, no option to switch to Visual.)

    ETA: This comment posted successfully, appeared spontaneously and left me at the correct spot. And now the pop-up comment box appears as I edit.

  266. 266.

    Steeplejack

    November 22, 2019 at 5:34 am

    Just had a problem with the pop-up comment box (Win10, Firefox). After posting (in the “Kicked Up a Notch” thread), I was left at the top of the thread, and I had to refresh the page two times to see my comment.

    ETA: This comment appeared immediately, and I was left in the right place (at that comment).

    ETFA: But I had to refresh the page to see the ETA.

  267. 267.

    Bobby Thomson

    November 22, 2019 at 6:06 am

    2. After you post a comment, do you have to manually refresh the page or post another comment before your previously posted comment shows up?
    3. If your comment doesn’t appear right away, where do land after posting your comment?
    4. After you post a comment, are you taken to the comment you have been posted, or do you sometime bounce to the top?

    2. Yes. Always.
    3. Back to the top. Always.
    4. See #3.

    Windows 10; Chrome

     

    ETA:  However, nym is sticking consistently for the first time in months.  Kudos.

  268. 268.

    trnc

    November 22, 2019 at 6:14 am

    Comments have been working well for me this week, and it’s been overall a better experience on the new site. I especially like that my name and email saves now.

    My only pet peeve is the Post + Comments button that takes me back to the top of the post I just read. I liked the way the old site comments button at the bottom of the post jumped straight to the comments or to whatever was under the fold.

  269. 269.

    Bobby Thomson

    November 22, 2019 at 6:18 am

    @Bobby Thomson:

    And now I see no refreshing is necessary for the comment to stick, but I bounce up randomly into the middle of the thread.

  270. 270.

    Bobby Thomson

    November 22, 2019 at 6:19 am

    @Bobby Thomson: And no sooner did I post that then the comment required refreshing and I once again bounced up to the top.

  271. 271.

    Bobby Thomson

    November 22, 2019 at 6:29 am

    Link button present but did not work.

  272. 272.

    WaterGirl

    November 22, 2019 at 9:45 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I think of it like Cole’s new house – you walk in and find Walter, but then you fall through a hole in the front porch.

    Omnes, your comment was nominated by someone to be a rotating tag. :-)

  273. 273.

    Tenar Arha

    November 22, 2019 at 12:26 pm

    ? I haven’t been commenting enough lately to have these problems. But I just had #2 happen to me just now when I commented on a thread I came back to after reading something on another site. I’ll try to reproduce it.

    Details:
    iPhone 6S Plus, iOS 13.2.3, Firefox 20 for iOS, Private browser window.

  274. 274.

    Tenar Arha

    November 22, 2019 at 12:29 pm

    test

    ETA

    1. does it show after posting a 2nd comment wo leaving this page for another window or website=

    worked fine— but this edit did require a manual refresh to see it.

    2. popped over to another website in this “browser tab” & adding this—edit timer resets & the cursor is back at my comment after I posted the edit

  275. 275.

    Tenar Arha

    November 22, 2019 at 12:42 pm

    @Tenar Arha:

    3. Cute. As long as you don’t close the open “tab,” you can still edit your post if you navigate over to another site & return. But if you close that tab, your ability to edit your post is gone. Which makes sense.

  276. 276.

    David ??Booooooo?? Koch

    November 22, 2019 at 3:32 pm

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