Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

We are builders in a constant struggle with destroyers. keep building.

He really is that stupid.

It is possible to do the right thing without the promise of a cookie.

Republicans want to make it harder to vote and easier for them to cheat.

If you cannot answer whether trump lost the 2020 election, you are unfit for office.

“When somebody takes the time to draw up a playbook, they’re gonna use it.”

Stop using mental illness to avoid talking about armed white supremacy.

Narcissists are always shocked to discover other people have agency.

Speaking of republicans, is there a way for a political party to declare intellectual bankruptcy?

Second rate reporter says what?

Prediction: the gop will rethink its strategy of boycotting future committees.

We can’t confuse what’s necessary to win elections with the policies that we want to implement when we do.

The real work of an opposition party is to hold the people in power accountable.

Today’s gop: why go just far enough when too far is right there?

I did not have this on my fuck 2025 bingo card.

A sufficient plurality of insane, greedy people can tank any democratic system ever devised, apparently.

Balloon Juice, where there is always someone who will say you’re doing it wrong.

Weird. Rome has an American Pope and America has a Russian President.

The republican ‘Pastor’ of the House is an odious authoritarian little creep.

They are not red states to be hated; they are voter suppression states to be fixed.

Take hopelessness and turn it into resilience.

People are complicated. Love is not.

Well, whatever it is, it’s better than being a Republican.

Why is it so hard for them to condemn hate?

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  3. 3.

    jl

    I don’t know. SATSQ.

    Apologies to John G Cole for not being able to help out on this one.

     

    Edit: Roger Moore gives us a good lead, though.

  5. 5.

    West of the Rockies

    Try this on for size, libtards:  it’s because America’s Mayor loves the rule of law and is a true, uh, patriot, and, um…

     

    Nevermind.

  10. 10.

    LongHairedWeirdo

    Because the GOP is engaged in such bad faith discussion that they would immediately lie and obfuscate, insisting it was political persecution, to the point that people with actual information would feel like they were going crazy.

     

    I remember the aluminum tubes: the IAEA – the organization that found Saddam Hussein was cheating, remember! – said they weren’t for centrifuges, they couldn’t be; and, Iraq had documentary evidence (including an explanation for the super-tight tolerances – with higher tolerances, their testing failed) showing they were used for rockets.

     

    BAM! Rice, and others, saying “these are for centrifuges, and they can only be for centrifuges.” A clear, flat out, no questions asked, lie. But, hey, it only caused a bunch of foreigners to die, and created suffering for a lot of others, it brought about ISIS (but on the plus side, caused a war that lasted until a Democrat was in office, so they could blame all the perfectly predicted [sic] ill effects on him.

     

    At least “He kept us safe, if you ignore 9/11, and don’t count deployed troops as ‘us’.” Seriously, I’m not sure how anyone believes anything any GOPpie says.

  11. 11.

    mrmoshpotato

    Because “No puppet!  No puppet!  You’re the puppet!  You’re the puppet!”, you libtard pajamaboys (and girls)?

  12. 12.

    mrmoshpotato

    @LongHairedWeirdo: The only good thing Dump has ever done was tell JEB! he was full of shit to his face.

     

    “My brother kept us safe.” Umm….JEB!, if that is your real name, I have some news for you.

  14. 14.

    Jay

    Ghoulianni isn’t in jail because the US only prosecutes white collar crimes when they rip off the rich or powerful. Foreigners don’t count, neither does treason.

     

    there are two sets of laws in the US,……..

  15. 15.

    eddie blake

    yup. ALL of this can of worms is made SO much worse by having a COMPLETELY unprincipled, LAWLESS attorney general.

    goddamn bill barr.

    what does it say when a man deemed too RACIST even for a GOP senate to confirm as a judge has more moral fortitude and fidelity to the constitution than barr, a BEACON of turpitude and fecklessness.

    they’re ALL ignoring subpoenas, unafraid of contempt, free to continue all of the criming, because they KNOW, like mc hammer, barr won’t touch it.

    FFS.

  16. 16.

    TomatoQueen

    Because people can’t be arsed to think. They have a comforting vague memory of him appearing on tv during a major snowstorm, dressed in an Aran sweater over a button-down shirt, telling them to stay home. They do not need any other fact about him.

  17. 17.

    feebog

    Anticipation is part of the fun. Sit back, pop a brew, munch you some popcorn and enjoy the shitshow.

  20. 20.

    Gin & Tonic

    Just down the street from St. Michael’s Monastery in Kyiv is a place called O’Brien’s Irish Pub. It is as authentically Irish as I am authentically a carioca, but it is a place where you will invariably encounter an upper-middle-aged American guy drinking by himself waiting to meet a young Ukrainian woman who’s looking for a green card. When I think of Rudy in Ukraine, I think of nothing so much as those pathetic losers you see in O’Brien’s.

  21. 21.

    Roger Moore

    Adam Schiff brings the heat:

    There’s only one thing less plausible than the claim Trump was actually concerned with corruption in Ukraine, as opposed to getting dirt on the Bidens:

    That he’s more concerned about future presidents than he is about concealing evidence of his own misconduct.

    No one buys it. https://t.co/UTzoGAIFQ1
    — Adam Schiff (@RepAdamSchiff) November 26, 2019

  22. 22.

    Felanius Kootea

    To drive home to many of us that some Republican men are above the law but non-Republicans will be asked to account for their deeds, no matter how trivial?

  23. 23.

    Martin

    Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

  26. 26.

    Paul W.

    First post since the new site was put in, but can one of the front pagers address all of the fainting couches that have been pulled out every time Obama talks about not alienating people who would otherwise be receptive to the Dem message?
    Bernie has specifically always had a following that is toxic to anyone not already within the fold. Now there is a Politico hit piece about him “personally intervening” to stop Bernie which seems really out of character for him considering how 2016 passed with Bernie helping so enough damage to Hillary to be a factor in Trump winning.

  28. 28.

    David ??Booooooo?? Koch

    @Paul W.: considering Wilmer is languishing in 4th place, losing by double digits to an unknown, 37 year old, small town Mayor, there’s no need for anyone to intervene.

  31. 31.

    JMG

    Lizza’s a good reporter, but I find it hard to believe Obama has discussed “stopping Bernie.” He’s certainly a good enough pol to know how poor Sanders’ chances of getting the nomination are without him having to do a thing or say a word.

  32. 32.

    patrick II

    An alternative theory would be that since the arrest of parnas and fruman, one or both have been cooperating witnesses, and the SDNY has been given more leads and the development of a much larger investigation, which is taking some time.  The subpoenas this past week show they are going after Rudy for varied crimes.  Following the expansive misdeeds of Giuliani is not done in a day.  Plus, the saying is that if you come at the king you must not miss also applies to his first level acolytes.  When they come for Giuliani it had better be airtight.

  33. 33.

    chris

    Poor Rudy! Didn’t Bernie Kerik vouch for him a couple of weeks back? Should be enough for anyone.

  34. 34.

    spudgun

    @Paul W.:  THIS. I saw this yesterday and was wondering if/when someone here would bring this up. I am, admittedly, a major O-bot and therefore extremely biased, but jeezus that Politico piece really smacked of a disgusting hit-job. This is a prime example of why I refuse to read Politico or click on any links for any of their articles.

     

    All this Dem infighting is really getting on my nerves.

  36. 36.

    spudgun

    @Baud:  Yes, with all its second-hand, “insider” sources…who exactly are these people who claim “he said this” or “he said that”?  Extremely disappointed that the LGM guys, for example, have already bought the BS and have been bad-mouthing Obama since the article came out.

  39. 39.

    Jinchi

    It always astounds me that Giuliani was the frontrunner for most of the Republican presidentail primary in 2008. His support only collapsed in the month before voting started.

     

    Instead of retiring as an elder statesman he decided to cash in as the fixer for every despot and criminal oligarch on the planet.

  40. 40.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    @LongHairedWeirdo: Yesterday, the ship showed the movie “Official Secrets” about an English woman working for British intelligence who leaked a memo about how the US was trying to pressure UN Security Council members into voting to authorize the Iraq War. I horrified and infuriated me all over again, and also had echoes of what we see today from the Trump administration’s treatment of whistle blowers.

  45. 45.

    Bill Arnold

    @Martin:

    Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition

    Source (just because I have the link handy, and the whole comment is worth reading):
    Frank Wilhoit, 03.22.18, on conservatism
    And the bit about anti-conservatism is worth quoting too:

    The core proposition of anti-conservatism requires no supplementation and no exegesis. It is as sufficient as it is necessary. What you see is what you get:
    The law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone; and it cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone.

  46. 46.

    Dan B

    @Felanius Kootea: This article from Rolling Stone is a must read!  Thanks for posting it.

     

    It reminded me of the piece Michael Harriot posted.  1. He is trusted. 2. The title was inflammatory but made it a must-read.  3. It got more than a million retweets within days.

     

    It brings up questions.   How many people are regular readers of Michael Harriot?   How did it get so many retweets so rapidly?   Were any of the people sharing the piece Russian bots?  Hiw many bots would it take to make the piece go viral?  ( I don’t think it woukd take many since the pump  -Pete is a white elite.- has already been primed.

     

    Since every Democratic candidate has some flaws that create anxiety or hostility in some group will any be able to overcome the coming onslaught?  Can we stand up for any of them in a way in which we won’t further the circular firing squad dynamic?

  49. 49.

    jk

    Also too,

    Why hasn’t Rudy been disbarred?

    Why hasn’t Time magazine published a front page editorial apologizing for naming this ratfucking liar their person of the year?

    There’s a zen like perfection to Rudy’s buffoonery.

  50. 50.

    Ruckus

    @patrick II:

    The two russians seem to understand that they are going to do time. I wonder if they figure hard time may save them a fall out of a 5 story windowless building. Or they figure squeal and maybe only be deported. And vlad may not care because his goal was to screw up the US without firing a shot. He’s succeeded rather well, from his point of view.

  51. 51.

    Ruckus

    @spudgun:

    It’s not really dem infighting. A lot of it is russian infiltration into our civics, such as they are, and rich fuckers who own most of the press, wanting their tax cuts and buddies in power.

  52. 52.

    Aleta

    Why did Giuliani get away with making Kerik (who’d worked for him in the Intelligence Division) Prison Commissioner and then Police Commissioner,  after he’d been officially informed that Kerik accepted mob money ? 

     

    Why did Giuliani get away with having Bush appoint Kerik (his partner in Giuliani Partners and in Giuliani Security) to be Interior Minister of Iraq , so he could restructure the ministry, intelligence service, customs, and police while accepting a $250,000 bribe from Eitan Wertheimer.  And after that, how did he manage to get Bush to nominate Kerik to be Director of Homeland Security?   

     

    He’s been corrupt  for how long?

  53. 53.

    Aleta

    @Dan B:  He wrote a second article about Buttigieg that’s just as good.  And he’s  already being misrepresented and his points skimmed over and attacked by msm writers (Post, Atlantic) who barely read what he wrote in their haste to keep the conversation about Buttigieg.

  54. 54.

    patroclus

    Rudy Guiliani isn’t in jail because he hasn’t been convicted of a crime as yet nor even charged with one.  If one believes in the rule of law, then there are certain preconditions to someone being incarcerated; including the legal presumption of innocence and the requirement of due process of law.  Now, there may well be corrupt reasons that no charge or conviction has occurred as yet (cough Bill Barr), but that doesn’t overcome the prerequisites required by the rule of law.  I suspect most jackals know all this, including John.  Happy Thanksgiving!

  55. 55.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    Now hold on John! We have to fight the War on Thanksgiving!

     

    Oh it’s on people, it’s on. Trump has just cried “Covfe” and let lose the gender confused dogs of war!

     

    So look forward to your crazy uncle Joe to rant about the Libertards wanting to destroy Thanksgiving, baby Jesus favorite Holiday tomorrow.

  56. 56.

    Jay

    @patroclus:

     

    the question is why is Rudy not in jail already. It’s pretty clear that he has been criming in various ways long before “Mr. Noun, Verb, 9/11”, and pretty obvious about the criming.

     

    Minions, confidantes and partners have been found guilty of criming and gone to jail, but like Dolt 55, Rudy’s always been ignored.

     

    The answer to John’s question is really pretty simple. The US Justice system really doesn’t care much about White Collar  Criming unless it’s their friends and family being ripped off.

     

    And of course, in a time of Citizen’s United, the whole idea that Foreign Governments can’t buy influence or pay for ratfu€king is just, how do we say it,…….

     

    quaint.

  58. 58.

    Procopius

    @LongHairedWeirdo: My memory is that not only the IAEA, but the Department of Energy and the State Department Bureau of Intelligrnce and Research made the same point — that the aluminum tubes were not at all suitable for use in centrifuges. This was reported in The Economist magazine at the time, and must have been reported in other places.

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