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Nancy usually keeps things pretty cool during her news conferences but James Rosen (a real asshole) got the full Nancy treatment this morning. Holy shit.

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  1. 1.

    Elizabelle

    Props to Speaker Pelosi.  I am tired of “hate” being deployed at us, or our representatives.

     

    Good for Nancy Smash.  We all have to speak up.  They’re cowards.  Make them back down.

  4. 4.

    Sean

    Don’t fuck with Nancy.  Ever.

    Also, James Rosen is a dipshit. He accused her of lying about her faith after.

  6. 6.

    Emerald

    Despite all the purported rush, I frankly doubt that Nancy will be sending anything to the Senate soon. The financial documents are about to drop when tRump loses his Mazar and Deutsche Bank cases. Those will sink him, and the Dems know it.

    The Dems won’t jump until they’ve got the real goods, and they’re close to getting them.

    (I’m getting this argument from the esteemed Uncle Blazer on Twitter. A knowledgeable attorney whose opining on the cases and a must-follow.)

  7. 7.

    Jay

    An ex Nazi went public about deradicalization,

    I would like to thank the people who have voiced support for me since the CTV interview was published. Having seen some of the reaction, I would like to clarify a few things too.— Ex-Iron March User (@ExIronMarch) December 4, 2019

    When I said there is no both sides to be had about antifa and that they are right, I meant that full stop and not just in regards to their work on the Iron March leak. I wanted to convey that antifascists, more than people like myself, are the protagonists in this story.— Ex-Iron March User (@ExIronMarch) December 4, 2019

    There’s a full thread there,…….

  9. 9.

    Jersey Tomato

    Does a doctor “hate” a tumor s/he removes? Does the landlord “hate” the dog turd that needs to be removed from the sidewalk so a tenant won’t step in it? Some things just need to be cleaned up in the interests of overall hygiene.

  20. 20.

    Nicole

    While I hate this current Administration and what it’s doing to the nation, I am grateful to be living to see one of the great Speakers of the House in real time.  She really is a giant.

  24. 24.

    snoey

    @Emerald:

    From the Graun:

    Nancy Pelosi just concluded a closed-door meeting with the six committee chairs who will offer recommendations on the articles of impeachment, but the House speaker dodged reporters’ questions about what the leaders discussed.

    Don’t think 6 committees can do anything fast.

  26. 26.

    pamelabrown53

    Has anyone noticed how little time it took for Trump to add his pearls of terds? Does this guy even pretend to work?

  28. 28.

    BC in Illinois

    But remember both sides here . . .

     

    Think of all the times they asked Paul Ryan or Mitch McConnell whether they hated Barack Obama.

  30. 30.

    hotshoe

    It’s more of the ever-present bad faith on the part of mainstream media and Repugs to claim that we are pursuing these inquiries because we hate Trump. (Of which we were accused, yet again, by Rep. Collins R-Ga yesterday — goddamn his eyes.)

     

    Well, yes, I personally hate the Dumpster, and all of his co-conspirators, and all of his enablers. But that is not why our Congressional representatives need to pursue these inquiries. As Nancy says in that clip “This is about the Constitution of the United States and the facts that lead to the President’s violation of his oath of office.”

  32. 32.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Elizabelle: It’s the usual projection. They’re in deep with hate groups, so their tactic is to identify everything liberal or anti-hate-group as some type of “hate” itself. You see this with the SPLC, which they consistently describe as a “long-debunked hate group” (meaning right-wing media calls it that). The real racism is being racist against my racism, etc.

  33. 33.

    Emerald

    @snoey: Exactly. Nancy is the master political strategist of the age. She’s had this mapped out from the start. Trust Nancy.

  34. 34.

    trollhattan

    When spouse and child met her last month, Nancy SMASH said the same to the group: “I pray for the president every day.” I believe her, and my projected subtext is “That he recognizes the errors of his ways and decides to start doing the right thing.”

    Part of faith is believing in the possibility of miracles. If it keeps Madam Speaker in the fight, than I’m all for it.

  37. 37.

    zhena gogolia

    @trollhattan:

    My husband prays for the president every day too. I confess I pray ABOUT him, but I’m not saintly enough to pray for him. Others need and deserve my prayers more.

  38. 38.

    Lapassionara

    I would like the press to stop asking people questions about their feelings and focus instead on what they are thinking, and better yet, what they are planning to do and why.

     

    I would also also like them to stop asking people if they “believe” in matters that are the proper subject of scientific study, as in “do you believe in evolution,” or “do you believe in global climate change”? Who cares whether they “believe” in something that scientists have come to accept as a valid explanation of observable phenomena. Global climate change doesn’t care if people “believe” in it or not.

     

    And while I am ranting, I was a litigator, and when I prepared to question a witness or take a deposition I knew as much about the facts and the witness as I could. I would actually “game out” possible scenarios that might occur, depending on an answer to a question. I cannot understand why a journalist does not do the background work that would prepare him or her for a TV interview, especially when the guest is a known exaggerator and liar. I am looking at you, Chuck Todd.

  39. 39.

    Matt McIrvin

    The use of the word “hate” is quite intentional; it’s of a piece with the warnings of civil war and the speculation that we want to kill all Republicans.

     

    Remember the principle of projection. They’re legitimizing murderous white-supremacist hate groups by getting their “tu quoque” in first.

  43. 43.

    HeleninEire

    Reminds me of my very Irish Catholic mother. She swore like a sailor; as do most Irish-born. I am from QUEENS, NY and when I moved there I was, like, HO. LEE. FUCK these people curse a lot.

     

    But my mother would not, under any circumstances, let us use the word “hate.”

  46. 46.

    Citizen Alan

    I pray that God will teleport Shitgibbon and everyone who supports him into the very heart of the sun so that they can annihilated down to the atomic level. Does that count?

  47. 47.

    SFAW

    Of course, the extra-super-fun part was Scumbag Rosen thereupon went to Traitor Andy McCarthy, and asked him if he thought Speaker Pelosi was lying about hating the Traitor-in-Chief. And McCarthy, being the traitorous scumbag he is, gave the standard non-answer, but implied that he thought she was.

     

    “Daddy, how many traitorous scumbags are in the Republican Party?”

    “All of ’em, honey.”

     

    [Yes, I know it’s not grammatically/syntactically correct. So sue me. But not for $100 Skillion, please.]

  49. 49.

    trollhattan

    Not following yesterday’s hearing closely I missed the part where proud California Asshole (i.e., Republican congressman) quizzed the expert witnesses on whether they voted for Trump. I find myself thinking the recent big uptick in “never Trumper” means Frank Luntz has focus-grouped it as effective. For whom this is supposed to be effective, other than the usual mouthbreathers, mystifies me.

    McClintock termed out of the legislature and picked a nice, safe, open northern California seat to land in from his SoCal home. He still does not live in his district.

  50. 50.

    Jay

    @Gin & Tonic:

     

    basically, just meeting with Rudy Tutti Frooti Deleudie Noun Verb 9/11exposes one as either a criminal, an idiot, morally bankrupt or a Russian asset, sometimes all 4 and more.

  55. 55.

    Jay

    Gosh! Okay… I, Pete Buttigieg, politician, do henceforth and forthwith declare, most affirmatively and indubitably, unto the ages, that I do favor Medicare for All, as I do favor any measure that would help get all Americans covered. Now if you'll excuse me, potholes await.— Pete Buttigieg (@PeteButtigieg) February 19, 2018

  61. 61.

    The Moar You Know

    I pray for this president every day.  I pray that he may have a massive cerebrovascular accident or coronary thrombosis, or a good old-fashioned fall down the stairs, one which is not at all assisted by some of his Russian “friends”.

     

    You better believe I pray.

  62. 62.

    JustRuss

    @Lapassionara:

    And while I am ranting, I was a litigator, and when I prepared to question a witness or take a deposition I knew as much about the facts and the witness as I could. I would actually “game out” possible scenarios that might occur, depending on an answer to a question. I cannot understand why a journalist does not do the background work that would prepare him or her for a TV interview, especially when the guest is a known exaggerator and liar. I am looking at you, Chuck Todd.

    Yes, but your goal wasn’t to find the truth, but to get the witness to say something to advance your narrarative. Chuck Todd and his ilk have the same goal, they’re getting the answers they–and the people who pay them– want.

  66. 66.

    NotMax

    @Omnes Omnibus

    For Scandinavian, European and some other more far-flung stuff, the Walter Presents channel, which in the U.S. has (AFAIK) now been folded into the PBS Masterpiece channel on Amazon.

  68. 68.

    Lapassionara

    @JustRuss: my goal WAS to find the truth. When I knew the truth, I had a better understanding of the case and how to advise my client.

  69. 69.

    SFAW

    @HeleninEire:

    I knew it!

     

    No, not really. I used to drive by it (LIE and Grand Central) but the closest I was (on foot) was Shea (and now Pretend Shea). But I vaguely recall it was a nice area.

  72. 72.

    robmassing

    Rosen defends the question thusly: Representative Collins “suggested” that the Democrats “just don’t like the guy.” So sure, let’s run with what some Trump lickspittle said about Democrats, throw in the word “hate” just for kicks, and make it specifically about Pelosi. The View From Nowhere, I guess.

  74. 74.

    snoey

    @trollhattan:

     

    Part of the Russian dis/noninformation campaign that Adam has been talking about.

     

    There is no truth, so what a never-Trumper says can be disregarded on that basis alone.

  75. 75.

    Martin

    @Emerald: There will be followup articles in that case. Ukraine is pretty open and shut. It’ll go for a vote. It’ll go to the Senate. Schiff is still investigating the Javelin missiles to Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine stopping their involvement in the Mueller probe. I wouldn’t be shocked if we had another round of testimony and recommendations for additional articles of impeachment. I don’t think the tax stuff won’t have it’s own cycle as well. The Senate may get 3 or more sets of articles here.

  79. 79.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @Citizen Alan:  If they’re headed for the center of the sun they’ll blow right past “atomic level” – it’s all electrons & nuclei down there. Just FYI.

  81. 81.

    Martin

    @Uncle Cosmo: I’m the opposite. I just want them all in prison, living out their last years with no freedom. A quick death is a bit too kind to them for me.

  83. 83.

    Jay

    Don’t seem to be “anti-racist” to me,….

    General election: Hugh Grant confronted by anti-racism protesters for backing Labour candidate https://t.co/DjGxcDSFTU— Sky News (@SkyNews) December 4, 2019

    Yes protesting against Faiza Shaheen, a muslim woman of Pakistani and Fijian descent, and in favour of Iain Duncan Smith has all the hallmarks of… erm… anti-racist protestors— Michael Bailey (@mikebailey92) December 4, 2019

  85. 85.

    Mary G

    They’re always pushing the narrative that Nancy SMASH is a great legislator, but lousy on TV. Wrong.

    I’m not sure if this was murder, but it was definitely manslaughter. https://t.co/dLFKRGsw2Q— ??Imani Gandy Cane?? (@AngryBlackLady) December 5, 2019

    I wish more Democrats would just be in the media’s faces like she did.

  87. 87.

    Just Chuck

    @snoey:

    The soviets had two news outlets: Pravda, which means “Truth”, and Izvestia, which means “News”.  Which led to a popular saying:  В Пра́вде нет изве́стий, а в Изве́стиях нет пра́вды

     

    “In truth there is no news, and in news there is no truth.”

  90. 90.

    Emerald

    @Martin: The financial records will sink him. He’s been money laundering for decades. That’s why he’s fought so hard against releasing anything. It’s not just that he isn’t a billionaire. He’s a criminal.

     

    And according to Uncle Blazer on Twitter, we’re gonna get everything. He’s lost every case so far, he will continue to lose, and even if the SCOTUS grants cert to hear them, which they might, they will rule against him. Uncle says, and Uncle knows.

  91. 91.

    Roger Moore

    @Emerald:

    She’s had this mapped out from the start. Trust Nancy.

    I’m not sure I’d go that far.  I’m sure Speaker Pelosi had a plan, but there has been a lot that’s come up over the course of the investigation that couldn’t be planned for.  The biggest difference between someone like Nancy Pelosi and someone like John Boehner is that she is capable of changing her plans to deal with changing circumstances.  She may well have had everything mapped out, but when new stuff came up she was able to adjust and deal with what fortune gave her.

  92. 92.

    Jay

    Video obtained by ProPublica shows the Border Patrol held a sick teen in a cell without proper medical attention and did not discover his body until his cellmate alerted guards. The video doesn’t match the Border Patrol's account of his death. pic.twitter.com/DJMNIRxB3y— ProPublica (@propublica) December 5, 2019

  93. 93.

    Emerald

    @Roger Moore: She can read her enemies, and reading tRump is child’s play. She may not have know about Ukraine, but she knows he screws up daily. All she had to do was wait for the timing to be right an pick a suitable screw-up.

  95. 95.

    trollhattan

    We have a new edition of Onion Joe.

    Joe Biden called an 83-year-old Iowa man a “damn liar” and challenged him to a push-up contest at a campaign stop Thursday. The tense exchange began with the man, who identified himself as a retired farmer, telling Biden he has two problems with him.
    “You’re too old,” the man said, pointing out that he himself is 83 and doesn’t have the “mental faculties” he once did. (Biden is 78.) Then he moved on to Ukraine. “We all know Trump has been messing around in Ukraine, over there, pulling their foreign aid for them to say they’re going to investigate you,” he said.
    “But you on the other hand, sent your son over there,” he continued. “You’re selling access to the president just like he does.”
    “You’re a damn liar, man,” Biden shot back. The two went back and forth for another 90 seconds, with Biden countering the man’s concerns over his age by challenging him to a push-up contest and an IQ test.

    Jerry Brown is fond of challenging people to pullup contests, including Chris Christie I believe, so Joe might be plagiarizing here.

  96. 96.

    chopper

    also, what a stupid fucking question. what was he expecting her to say, ‘yeah i hate that sack of garbage?’

  99. 99.

    chopper

    @Martin:

     

    depends on when the financial shit goes down. personally, if it all dumps during summer or so i don’t know if more articles would really work as you’d need a new proceeding by then.

    of course then it wouldn’t matter as much as NY would be able to press tax fraud/money laundering charges themselves. that’s one thing that’s so explosive about his financial records and one reason why he’s so dead set on keeping them under wraps.

  100. 100.

    NotMax

    @trollhattan

    Pfeh. Push-ups aren’t even on the list of things I look for in a candidate for president. Neither are being thin-skinned and haughty, which is what this kerfuffle says to me.

  101. 101.

    Gin & Tonic

    @Just Chuck: One of the leading news sources in independent Ukraine is Українська Правда, or Ukrainian Truth, which actually is. It’s so truthful and unbiased that its founder was assassinated.

  102. 102.

    HeleninEire

    @SFAW: “Pretend Shea” just made my heart sing. No fucking way is that motherfucking stadium “Citifield.”

     

    See???? I’m from Queens.

  103. 103.

    Jay

    @chopper:

     

    hate is a mortal sin to observant Catholics, that was the purpose of the question.

     

    I could never be a politician because my respose to that question would be:

     

    ”and how are your sexual assault lawsuits going?”

  104. 104.

    Martin

    @Emerald:

    The financial records will sink him. He’s been money laundering for decades. That’s why he’s fought so hard against releasing anything. It’s not just that he isn’t a billionaire. He’s a criminal.

    Oh, I know. I lived in NYC back when he started doing it. But there’s another political game here that might be underway. The House has a pretty clear cut impeachment case, one that is making Republicans tie themselves into knots to deny. Pelosi has no expectation that the Senate will remove him, she’s said as much. But they’ll get the articles so they can go on the record. If the financial stuff comes through and it’s truly damning, then the GOP is really hosed. They backed themselves into this corner, and it’s going to be the cornerstone of every Dem attack ad in 2020.

     

    The reason Pelosi is good at what she does, is she doesn’t have a play that she runs really well. She has a dozen plays that she runs really well. She’ll try to bend the Senate, and if that doesn’t work, she’ll sink the Senate. It doesn’t really matter which plan works, so long as one of them does.

  106. 106.

    Gin & Tonic

    @chopper: The New York Times spent 18 months preparing a 14,000-word, Pulitzer-winning story about Trump tax fraud, and it went down the memory hole.

  108. 108.

    Kent

    I’m not sure if anyone else has referenced this.  but Josh Marshall has an excellent analysis of the current state of the impeachment investigation and an endorsement of the fast-track approach the House is following.  Makes a lot of sense and rings true to me.  His basic argument is that by moving fast the House Dems are maintaining the advantage, keeping the initiative, and not falling into the GOP trap of arguing that they need just one more piece of evidence or process or whatever in order to support it.   His main arguments are:

     

    1.  The evidence is already overwhelming which even the GOP admits.  We really don’t need to pursue endless subpoenas to find out what we already know.
    2. Moving forward maintains the initiative and avoids falling into the GOP trap of endlessly moving the goal posts.  No one believes that one more piece of evidence or document is going to ever change any GOP minds.
    3. Moving forward now doesn’t prevent the House from continuing to pull on every thread before, or even after, a Senate trial.
    4. Winning and losing isn’t all that matters.  How you win or lose also matters.  We are really putting the whole GOP on trial and regardless of the outcome (which we pretty much already know) we just use the result and move forward and make the very best use of it that we can in 2020 and beyond.  A clear, clean, and concise argument about the moral failing of the GOP as demonstrated by their unwillingness to hold Trump accountable for anything is one of the best arguments moving forward in 2020 against GOP candidates at every level of government.  Endless Bengazi-style investigation with no conclusion makes that case much harder.

     

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-right-decision-is-to-move-ahead-now

  110. 110.

    Aardvark Cheeselog

    I don’t hate anybody. … I pray for the president all the time.

    Nancy is a better human that I am. Up until a few years ago I didn’t hate anybody either, really, but now I know a lot more about hate than I ever wanted to. I try to practice metta including the “President” but it is very hard for me to be sincere about that.

  112. 112.

    Jay

    A group of elite Russian military intelligence officers, including some of those who planned the poisoning of a defector in Britain, have been operating out of picturesque villages in the French Alps, Western intelligence officials tell NBC News.https://t.co/JFTtxdWtfc— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) December 5, 2019

  113. 113.

    Kent

    @Emerald:@Martin: The financial records will sink him. He’s been money laundering for decades. That’s why he’s fought so hard against releasing anything. It’s not just that he isn’t a billionaire. He’s a criminal.

    I think you are very naive if you think that we just need one more piece of evidence to bring down Trump and get the GOP to abandon him.  Yes, I’d love to see all the tax information released too.  But I have no confidence that it would even sway a single GOP vote in the House or Senate.  We are WAY WAY past that point already.  He is already more corrupt and lawless than any previous president by an order of magnitude and still hasn’t lost a single GOP vote.  I doubt there are any tax or financial records that would make any difference at this point.

  115. 115.

    Martin

    @chopper: No they’d work. But they’re working differently now. Even if they can’t resolve, having them out there clouds the election. Congressional testimony that the President is a money launderer is a really effective attack ad.

     

    Usually narcissists lives fall apart when they wear out the people around them. We’ve never run this experiment at this scale in the US, but eventually his supporters realize that he’s not actually working for them. You can see that in the diner interviews. “He said he’d save my factory and now I’m laid off”. I may only peel off a few percent of them, but honestly, that’s all it’s going to take.

     

    I know we want a commanding victory in 2020, but we won’t get it.  But the good news is that Trump isn’t adding any supporters. His is a one-way door where people only leave. That’s really unusual. Reagan won over voters that opposed him in 1980. That’s normally how reelections are won, by replacing lost voters. Trump can’t do that. Anyone who opposed him in 2016 pretty much wants him dead today. So any voters that peel off aren’t going to get replaced. All of these steps serve to chip away at that, bit by bit. Schiff has said there may be more articles, which I take as acknowledgement that this is the accepted strategy. Rather than allow the WH to stonewall, they just do it in stages, pushing each one through ASAP so the GOP has to deal with it, and then following it up with whatever might surface later. I think they’ll do this right up to the election.

  116. 116.

    Jay

    Institutional rot and a rare media follow up:

    NEW: Agency claims video said to show AOC berating Border Patrol agent does not exist https://t.co/8DGR2jjJ1J— Anna Giaritelli (@Anna_Giaritelli) December 5, 2019

    and a reminder:

    A Syrian refugee kisses his daughter as he walks through a rainstorm towards Greece's border with Macedonia, near the village of Idomeni, Greece.From Reuter’s pictures of the decade. pic.twitter.com/mGiKSfuzjy— kristyan benedict (@KreaseChan) December 4, 2019

  117. 117.

    trollhattan

    @Kent:

    Donald Trump–the Forrest Gump edition–was prescient with his “shoot a guy on 5th Avenue” prediction. Not even the pee tape would make a difference. It would probably kick off a fad.

    “Economic anxiety”

  118. 118.

    Emerald

    @Martin: I don’t have the linky, but I know that Nancy said at one point that she wouldn’t send anything to the Senate unless conviction was guaranteed. Which means that either there won’t be a trial, or that his crimes will become so blatant to everyone that even the Rs, yes, even these Rs, will have to dump him.

     

    It makes sense, because as has often been noted, if they acquit him on these charges it’s open season for executive misconduct from now on. Basically destroys the Constitution. Ergo, don’t give them the chance to formally acquit him.

     

    However, if she can continue to expose his criminality it just may sink the Rs in the Senate as they continue to defend him, which I think is one of her major goals. That and defending the Constitution .

  121. 121.

    Baud

    @trollhattan:

     

    But you on the other hand, sent your son over there,” he continued. “You’re selling access to the president just like he does.”
    “You’re a damn liar, man,” Biden shot back.

    I know we’re supposed to hate Joe, but I like it when our people call liars liars.

    If Joe calls Trump’s base deplorable, I might end up voting for him.

  122. 122.

    Jeffro

    @Martin: Great point.

     

    based on that, I would expect that we hear some sort of “hey Senate Republicans, you KNOW more stuff is going to come out on this guy!” speech from her in the next couple weeks

  124. 124.

    catclub

    @Emerald: The financial records will sink him. He’s been money laundering for decades. That’s why he’s fought so hard against releasing anything. It’s not just that he isn’t a billionaire. He’s a criminal.

     

    Ummm, who records the details of their financial crimes in their tax returns? The ONLY thing he says that might be true is that he gets audited every year – but I don’t see 30 years of tax fraud cases against him.

  125. 125.

    Steeplejack

    @Emerald:

    I’ve been away from the computer for a while, but I just wanted to say that Uncle Blazer on Twitter is a gold mine of info/​analysis on all things impeachment. Thanks for the pointer!

    (Note to lurkers: You don’t have to be “on” Twitter to read his—or anybody’s—stuff. Just browser-ize to their page.)

  126. 126.

    catclub

    @Jay: How about:  “I certainly favor Medicare for All over Medicare for None – which is what the republicans want for all of us.”

  129. 129.

    Martin

    @Emerald: Remember she can see what we can’t. I think what they send the Senate will depend on what they know is coming up in the 2nd act – and we can’t see that.

    I’m pretty sure the House already has Trumps tax returns in some form (remember there’s an IRS whistleblower), but they want them officially. What’s more, the fight over them is telling (what is Trump trying to cover up). Either way, I think Pelosi and team know what the 2nd act will be which gives them confidence regarding strategy with the first act. I think they have the goods. Their stance on impeachment has gotten much more aggressive.

  130. 130.

    Jay

    Twitter Progs: Democrats worry too much about swaying white, facebook-poisoned boomers who won't vote for them anyway. Be tough, speak clearly and call out misinformation wherever it is.*Biden tells Iowa Yogurtbrain to eat shit*Twitter Progs: no not like that.— Zeddy (@Zeddary) December 5, 2019

  132. 132.

    Betty Cracker

    @trollhattan: Kay makes the point that Biden’s brand is “genial” as much as Sanders’ is “curmudgeonly,” so going all-in on anger doesn’t really work for Biden because that’s not what people like about him. I think there’s some truth to that.

    On the other hand, Giuliani is in Ukraine right now, as Trump’s personal lawyer, talking to discredited crooks and Putin-aligned criminals who are no doubt eager to curry favor with Trump by making shit up about Biden. So more randos will pop up at town halls, and if Biden’s the nominee, that’s all Trump will talk about.

    How could anyone remain genial in the face of that kind of bullshit? Maybe anger is the way to go. I have no idea.

  133. 133.

    Jay

    @Martin:

     

    as more than a few Constitutional Law experts have pointed out:

     

    a) Nancy Smash does not have to at any time, send the House Impeachment to the Senate,

     

    b) the House is not limited to a single Impeachment

  135. 135.

    Jay

    did the charlottesville police department think that painting a giant white supremacist flag on it would make people LESS likely to associate this vehicle with the nearly identical one that a white supremacist used as a murder weapon? pic.twitter.com/yoMfLUdSlh— molly conger (@socialistdogmom) December 5, 2019

  136. 136.

    Steeplejack

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    BritBox vs. Acorn? Last time I looked I was torn. Acorn has a lot of Aussie stuff, and (I think) Vera was split between the two. WTF.

    I have an odd crush on Sgt. Havers.

  137. 137.

    Jay

    @NotMax:

     

    while it’s nice to continue to tie child mollester Nadler over and over to Dolt45 and his Campaign,

     

    Nadler gave dirty money to everybody curtesy of Citizens United.

  138. 138.

    Martin

    @catclub: All criminals do, whether they realize it or not. In Trumps case it’s comparing what he told the govt from what he told his creditors.

     

    We have this longstanding mystery of ‘why the fuck do people still lend to him’. One reason is he might be lying to them. Another reason is he might be performing a service for them. If he’s telling the IRS that he lost $100M last year to get out of taxes and telling his creditors that he earned $100M last year, figuring they either won’t compare notes, or not care enough to compare notes, then he’s broken the law.

     

    There’s something here, we just don’t know what. Personally, I don’t think Trump was scamming the bankers. I think he was working with them. I think a lot of people may get knocked down here, and the returns are part of the key to the puzzle.

  139. 139.

    chopper

    @Emerald:

     

    acquittal in the senate is going to mean trump’s consolidation of the gop into the trump party is basically complete. they’ll all have handcuffed themselves to the guy.

    if his financial records then come out and they’re even half as bad as we think they are, hoo-boy these guys are gonna have a hard as shit time walking all that back aren’t they.

  144. 144.

    gene108

    @trollhattan:

     

    Joe better get used to the idea that a good chunk of the population now thinks that Hunter hacked the DNC Server, murdered Seth Rich, on Hillary’s orders, and then took the server over to Ukraine to be buried in Bursima’s backyard. And he got paid $50/k month for a no-show job to do all this.

     

    Republicans are amazing at creating an “appearance of impropriety” against Democratic Presidential candidates.

     

    I don’t think Joe really is ready for the amount of shit coming his way, because Hunter’s not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

  145. 145.

    BR

    I’m less than excited seeing Mayor Pete going back to tired talking points on deficits and how Dems are not paying attention to the debt and deficit.  He knows better too, because in some instances (not on this topic) he’ll question the premise of flawed questions or statements.

  146. 146.

    gene108

    @Jay:

     

    That’s Nader, not Nadler.

     

    Nadler’s the nice man, who chairs the House Judiciary committee.

     

    Nader’s a child porn enthusiast and Trump campaign foreign policy associate.

  147. 147.

    Gin & Tonic

    More about Rudy’s buddy Derkach:

     

    A pretty crazy story involving the Ukrainian politician Giuliani met with today, Andriy Derkach.Derkach has been trying to get his government to investigate Hunter Biden.His dad, Leonid Derkach, is a former head of Ukraine’s security services. 1/— Aaron Blake (@AaronBlake) December 5, 2019

  150. 150.

    Hoodie

    @Martin: I don’t think Trump was scamming the bankers.

     

    Would make sense that he and particular DB employees were scamming the bank, e.g., a mega version of mortgage scams in the 2000’s where loan officers colluded with mortgagees on fraudulent applications.

  152. 152.

    UncleEbeneezer

    Anyone else getting whiplash from watching the extremely-online-Left go from: “Democrats aren’t moving fast enough on Impeachment…I’m done” to “Democrats are moving too fast on Impeachment, I’m done?”  Same people.  24 hours apart.

  153. 153.

    Jay

    @Martin:

     

    There’s something here, we just don’t know what. Personally, I don’t think Trump was scamming the bankers. I think he was working with them. I think a lot of people may get knocked down here, and the returns are part of the key to the puzzle.

    There are continual and believable allegations, testimony and past Court Judgements that the Trump Org scams everyone.

    – wage theft
    – contractors
    – buyers and investors, ( by overclaiming occupancy rates and sales vs. Actual, sale price vs. actual)
    – on taxes
    – and banks.

    The thing is, other than settlements , all the Trump Org paperwork is not ( yet) in one place, so the various claims, ( sales vs. Actual, price vs. Actual, claimed value for loans vs claimed value for taxes) that would prove fraud, are slowly being collected.

    That Donny Dollhands has been blackballed by all the Banks except the shadiest of Money Launderers, would suggest that yup, he rips everybody off.

  154. 154.

    chopper

    @Jay:

     

    it’d be hilarious if the prosecutor’s office responded with “♬ we know you’re wishin’ that we’d go awaaaaaaaay ♬”

  155. 155.

    Kamala.Harris.2020

    Someone employing Catholicism in 2019 to bolster their moral bona fides?  That’s … interesting.

  156. 156.

    HeleninEire

    @Steeplejack: I love those books. When it came on TV I was so mad. Tommy Linley was a gorgeous blond Peer. Barbara Havers (my best favorite female detective) was ugly. And I loved her so much more. The BBC made Tommy black haired and Barbara pretty. I watched maybe 15 minutes and then turned that shit off.

    ETA: Are we talking about the same Set. Havers?

  158. 158.

    Bill Arnold

    @zhena gogolia:

    My husband prays for the president every day too.

    “Pray” is not quite the right word, but I desire that D.J. Trump start feeling deep true empathy for non-DJT beings, particularly for those who he has harmed. (Shallow, I suppose, but just.)

  159. 159.

    Jay

    I watched the rest of the room with an ear cocked towards the TV. Fox was amazingly reality free. It was patently obvious none of the commentators had any actual direct knowledge of the impeachment process. I'm not sure they even understood what impeachment actually IS.3/— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) December 4, 2019

    It was as if they were describing a sporting event. Excitedly waving their arms about and earnestly recounting lines of scrimmage and touchdowns. This is "news" designed to alter fact and reality. To appeal directly to emotion. It doesn't inform opinion, but shapes it.4/— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) December 4, 2019

    Thread,…… and sandwich review

  161. 161.

    sgrAstar

    @delk: I think the Homicide Istanbul series is also in BritBox- a series made even more fun by the fact that in addition to the scenic location,  the actors playing the Turkish detectives and criminals are actually Germans, speaking German. English subtitles.

     

    ?

  164. 164.

    PJ

    @BR:

    https://twitter.com/lizcgoodwin/status/1202642363287511041

    <blockquote class=”twitter-tweet” data-lang=”en”><p lang=”en” dir=”ltr”>“My party’s not known for worrying about the deficit or the debt too much but it’s time for us to start getting into that,” Mayor Pete says in NH town hall in response to voter anxious about debt. Says everything his campaign has proposed is paid for.</p>&mdash; Liz Goodwin (@lizcgoodwin) <a href=”https://twitter.com/lizcgoodwin/status/1202642363287511041?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw”>December 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
    <script async src=”https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js” charset=”utf-8″></script>

     

     

    Pete is whistling (not really dog-whistling, since everyone can hear it) to the billionaires and Republicans that he will not be like those other Democrats (you know, the ones like Clinton, who left a huge surplus, and Obama, who managed to rein in the deficit from Bush’s tax cuts, wars, and recession) and will really act like a Republican when he’s in office.  Pete knows Republicans are the ones that drive up the deficit and destroy the economy, but he wants to be seen as one on fiscal issues, because that will make him look “serious” to the right people.  It’s depressing.

  165. 165.

    Steeplejack

    @HeleninEire:
    Yes, same Sgt. Havers. In the early TV installments, Havers (Sharon Small) is less “put together” and therefore more consonant with the books. I liked the books, but I have to admit that I wasn’t very focused on how the characters should look. I got the drift that Havers was not conventionally attractive—or attractive at all—and Sharon Small was about as close as you were going to get in a big-budget TV production.

  167. 167.

    Jay

    The DOJ just charged a Russian citizen, Maksim Yakubets, for allegedly overseeing Evil Corp, a Russian-based cybercriminal network involved in a decades-long, multi-million dollar hacking, fraud, and malware scheme. Yes, it's really called Evil Corp.https://t.co/qX23MWukVV— Caroline Orr (@RVAwonk) December 5, 2019

  168. 168.

    Steeplejack

    @Emerald:
    Okay, that’s it, I’m in! My local Brit-centric second-tier PBS station has been dripping out Shetland one episode a week, and they just started Season 5. It’s breaking my balls! [Italian hand gesture]

  169. 169.

    zhena gogolia

    @robmassing:

     

    We’re supposed to love him even though he’s been shredding the Constitution and humiliating our country from Day One (and before).

  171. 171.

    UncleEbeneezer

    @Kamala.Harris.2020: Religion is mostly what you choose to make of it.  Some Catholics use it to justify shitty things like forced-birth policies, LGBTQ-phobia etc., but others (some that I know personally) use it to justify creating Sanctuary Spaces, protesting ICE and even doing tireless work with/for Planned Parenthood.

  173. 173.

    David ??Booooooo?? Koch

    When Rosen was at Fox he revealed that the US Intel had penetrated Marshal Kim’s inner circle.   A few months later, Kim executed his own uncle.

     

    Can you imagine, damaging US national security that way and costing the life of a US agent.   He got away with it of course – IOKIYAR

  174. 174.

    Emerald

    @catclub: It’s not just the tax returns, which they will get from the Mazurs case. It’s also the Deutsche  Bank records which are going to expose decades of money laundering and—betcha—huge involvement with Russian oligarchs. Deutsche Bank has been in hot water for a looong time over their involvement with money laundering. We’re gonna get that too. He’s sunk. He’s also a coward, so I expect him to run somehow. Eventually. I doubt he’ll be on the 2020 ticket. Yeah, I’m going that far.

  178. 178.

    Martin

    @Hoodie: You’re giving  DB too much credit.

     

    They’ve paid out $11B in fines in just the last few years over money laundering and they’re in the middle of another $20B investigation with ties to the US.

     

    Employees are not scamming DB. DB is a money laundering organization as well as a bank. It’s what they do. They know it’s what they do. They know it up to the top of the organization.

     

    And I will go out on a VERY sturdy limb and say there is no way that this much Russian money was being laundered into the US without a non-trivial amount going through Trump. The challenge with laundering a lot of money is that you need people with a lot of money to launder it through, and there aren’t really all that many of them, let alone ones willing to do that kind of thing. That puts Trump on a VERY small list.

  180. 180.

    Steeplejack

    @delk:
    Midsomer Murders is dead to me since they went to video (think they might have come back from that) and lost John Nettles.

  182. 182.

    Jay

    In the 1970’s President Nixon called Pierre Trudeau an “as*hole.” Trudeau’s response was, “I’ve been called worse by better people.”

  183. 183.

    zhena gogolia

    @HeleninEire:

     

    Yes. I came to the TV show first and the books later, so for me it’s “Lynley isn’t a blond! And Havers is gorgeous!” I still prefer the shows to the books. The books are so long-winded.

  184. 184.

    Dmbeaster

    @Kent:

    We are really putting the whole GOP on trial and regardless of the outcome (which we pretty much already know) we just use the result and move forward and make the very best use of it that we can in 2020 and beyond.  A clear, clean, and concise argument about the moral failing of the GOP as demonstrated by their unwillingness to hold Trump accountable for anything is one of the best arguments moving forward in 2020 against GOP candidates at every level of government.

    Exactly this.  Who cares about making a perfect case – nothing is going to move the GOP.  Delay also hurts the Dems.  Build the momentum for 2020, and make the trial about both Trump and GOP.

    Fighting endlessly to get the additional testimony and evidence does not serve this purpose.  Worrying about looking bad because we did not spend the next year in court battles to force it out misses the point.  How will it look trying to do the impeachment in 2021?  Stupid and pointless.

  191. 191.

    Steeplejack

    @zhena gogolia:

    Maybe not so odd. She’s unconventional, which I usually like. Maybe just that in the early episodes they made her dowdy and a bit neurotic. In that TV way of: “Of course she’s attractive, she’s on TV, but let’s pretend she isn’t for purposes of the plot.” Sort of like how when a hot actress wears glasses you’re supposed to not realize that they’re attractive. (Cf. Dorothy Malone as the bookstore proprietor in The Big Sleep.)

  192. 192.

    Jay

    Border guards in Russia’s north west last week arrested a man who had set up a bogus border outpost with Finland and taken thousands of euros from migrants for what they thought was a journey through the woods to the European Union.

    The man, who was only identified as a citizen of one of the former Soviet Union republics, put up border posts in the forest outside St Petersburg and charged four men from South Asia more than 10,000 euros (£8,400) for his services for smuggling them into neighbouring Finland, Russia’s Border Guard Service said on Wednesday.

    Russia’s 1,340-kilometer border with Finland mostly runs across sparsely populated areas in the forest, offering a relatively easy way for migrants to get into the European Union.

    The Russian Border Guard Service said that the conman took the migrants on a trip out of town and led them to the bogus Russian-Finnish border where he left them.

    https://news.yahoo.com/conman-sets-fake-russia-border-102028323.html

  193. 193.

    Bill Arnold

    @Jay:

    Sara Netanyahu, in Lisbon, while visiting memorial to Jews murdered by the Inquisition “What we are going through is an Inquisition for us.”

    During a visit to Spain ~5 years ago, at one hotel (mid-high-end) the breakfast buffet featured a giant cheese half-wheel, which was some white cheese with ham bits throughout.
    I assumed (without checking) that it was an old anti-Jewish/anti-Islamic tradition or a derivative of one[1]. Avoidance of ham would attract the inquisition’s attention. (As a vegetarian I’m mainly amused in the present era.)

    [1] Pork politics and the Spanish Inquisition – The Spanish prime minister is in trouble over ham, but in past centuries much more than political reputation could be at risk when it came to pork, says Rebecca Earle (Rebecca Earle, 6 Oct 2019)

  194. 194.

    Steeplejack

    @TS (the original):
    Yeah, another nail in the coffin.

    Plus (didn’t want to get too ranty above), my local Brit-centric PBS station no longer runs the episodes all in one piece but in two one-hour halves, and the program guide never tells you which half you’re inspecting. So you don’t know if it’s a rerun of the first half (which they do numerous times during the week), which you already saw, or the second half, which you are in fear of missing. So I said to hell with it.

    ETA: Okay, I got ranty.

  197. 197.

    Betty Cracker

    Whoa, did y’all see this? Hillary Clinton on the Howard Stern show:

    Asked by Stern whether she hated Sanders for the long primary campaign he ran against her in 2016 and the slowness with which he offered his eventual endorsement, Clinton said “I don’t hate anybody,” before adding about the time it took Sanders to endorse her: “He could have. He hurt me, there’s no doubt about it.”
    Then she delivered the dagger: “And I hope he doesn’t do it again to whoever gets the nomination. Once is enough.”
    Glad she said it out loud. She’s not the only person who’s thinking it for sure.
  202. 202.

    catclub

    @PJ: “My party’s not known for worrying about the deficit or the debt too much but it’s time for us to start getting into that,” Mayor Pete says in NH town hall

     

    What a total lie.  The only reason that inaccurate description is around is lies by republicans.  The Democrats struggled mightily to make Obamacare revenue neutral. The GOP just writes checks as fast as they can – deficit be damned.

  203. 203.

    Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony

    @Martin:

    This is only partly true.  A fair number of white, conservative, evangelicals were Trump skeptical in 2016.  A few were actively opposed to him because of his obvious moral failings.  Now they are ALL in.  The conservative judges, the anti-LGBT+ policy changes, etc have them happier about any president than they have been in a LONG time.

  204. 204.

    SFAW

    @HeleninEire:

    “Pretend Shea” just made my heart sing. No fucking way is that motherfucking stadium “Citifield.”

    See???? I’m from Queens.

    Just added to the list of reasons I like you.

     

    Although you’ve probably already heard (I’m assuming you’re still a Mets fan, at least partly):

    Good news: The Wilpons will be selling the Mets to Steve Cohen, of the Great Neck Cohens. Praise Jeebus! (Although Cohen went to North, so his bona fides are suspect.)

    Bad news: The deal is going to take five effing years to complete, during which time Fred will remain CEO, and Jeffy will remain COO, which means Fred and Jeffy have five more years to screw up the team.

  206. 206.

    Bill Arnold

    @Jay:

    the Law of Nessicity allows Muslims the guilt free consumption of non-halal and haram foods, if “needed”.

    Was that operative during the inquisition, or a response to it? I’ve read stories of jews (IIRC) walking around outside visibly chewing on pork, to establish their “not jewish” street creds.
    Disgusting part of Catholic history.

  209. 209.

    bemused

    @zhena gogolia:

     

    Several years ago I called the office of a jerk republican rep from my district and talked to a staffer. I don’t remember why I called but it had to be some awful legislation he was supporting. The staffer seemed like a sweet, very churchy girl but clueless so before I ended the call I said I’d pray for her and she was speechless. I guess liberals praying for her just didn’t compute.

  210. 210.

    NotMax

    @SFAW
    Yup, definitely a G.N. North alum.

    In 2013, the Cohen-founded S.A.C. Capital Advisors pleaded guilty to insider trading and agreed to pay $1.8bn in fines in one of the biggest criminal cases against a hedge fund. Cohen was prohibited from managing outside money for 2 years as part of the settlement reached in the civil case over his accountability for the scandal. The hedge fund agreed to plead guilty to wire fraud and four counts of securities fraud and to close to outside investors Source

    The kewl kidz attended South.

  211. 211.

    Jay

    @Bill Arnold:

     

    goes back as far as 629AD.

     

    as Islam grew and spread, it was acknoledged that an observant Muslim might not have access to halal food, and may even have to eat/drink haram to survive travel, new living places, explorations and persecutions.

     

    the Deplorables with their pork islamophobia and the Inquisition just illustrate that ignorance has been around for a long, long time.

  212. 212.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @gene108: Figures the Knucklehead from the Frozen North would fuck that up. He can’t spell (even giving him a pass on -our vs -or). he routinely profoundly misunderstands the workings of the US government & political process, but he never tires of telling all us Yanks what we’re doing wrong & how to fix it.

     

    About his only significant contribution to B-J is supplying links to Twitter that occasionally lead to interesting &/or informative threads.

     

    I look forward to the day one of the Front Pagers tells him that he needs to get his shit together or face ejection. Not holding my breath though.

  215. 215.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @Jay: the Law of Nessicity…

    JFC, Knuck, anyone with a fifth-grade education could see at a glance how badly you fucked that one up. (Psst: It’s Necessity.)

     

    At least make an effort, fer dogsake.

  216. 216.

    Ksmiami

    @bemused: Reminds me of Emma Stone’s character in Easy A when preachy evangelical chick tells her “you’re going to Hell” and she responds with “As long as you won’t be there.” I’m so over the so called Christian Rt

  217. 217.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @NotMax: …like some Johnny Crappleseed.

    Nicely played, but I think I’ll stick with “Knucklehead Of The Frozen North” for the time being. Maybe abbreviate it to KnOTFN or somesuch.

  221. 221.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @Jay: Why would anyone pie you, Knuck? It’s way too entertaining to follow along as you trip over your own dick & fall face-first into a display window. Metaphorically speaking, of course.

  222. 222.

    Steeplejack

    @sgrAstar:
    Ditto for Inspector Brunetti on MHz. Authentic Venetian locations, German actors speaking German as Italian characters. Good series, although one Brunetti is better than the other. (Can’t remember names.)

  223. 223.

    debbie

    @Emerald:
    I like the argument I saw in the earlier Pelosi thread that we couldn’t afford to wait because Trump poses such a flagrant threat to the country. Absolutely right!

  224. 224.

    Ruckus

    @mrmoshpotato:

    I wouldn’t wish a fall down stairs on very many people. With my issues I’ve just caught myself, almost horizontal, on the way down. It is a sober experience just almost falling.

    However, there are some who deserve to get to the bottom as rapidly as possible, preferably head first. The people I’m thinking of would improve the world many times over by doing so.

    I bet some of the names would be on all of our lists.

  225. 225.

    MCA1

    @Martin: “Schiff has said there may be more articles, which I take as acknowledgement that this is the accepted strategy.”

     

    I’m on board with this approach now, though I don’t think I was at first.  I wanted a 178-point, giant set of articles of impeachment that could stand as an exhaustive cataloging of the entirety of the stains on America coming from this administration.  But I recognize how long it took and how hard it was just to get the couple that will come from the Intelligence Committee hearings a few weeks ago, and now see how utterly vapid, disengaged and infantile most of the voting public is.  So dragging things out until all the misdeeds are laid out on C-SPAN before tying them all together in one giant impeachment vote would just get people to tune out.

     

    One of the other advantages of bringing forward Ukraine impeachment articles (and having the Senate Republicans look like turds for acquitting) now, and then adding financial shenanigans, obstruction of justice and other things later is maybe more petty, but to me really satisfying to think of: Dotard will be the first and probably only POTUS in history to be impeached MULTIPLE TIMES.  If one impeachment is a grievous narcissistic injury to him, think how wounded he’ll be by three or four impeachments.

     

    If we have to live with knowing that that guy will forever be on the list of American Presidents, we may as well include him on an ignominious list of 1, as well.

  226. 226.

    J R in WV

    @Uncle Cosmo:

     

    @Ksmiami:  “Heaven for climate, hell for clientele” is my personal preference.

    My dad’s good friends, the Keyser sisters frequently said “Heaven for the climate, Hell for the good company!” They were elderly teachers, one was head librarian, the other actually was Superintendent of Schools during the war.

     

    They traveled all over the World during their summer breaks, with color slides to prove they were there. Bless them! They were actually also good friends of wife’s father!

     

    Wife’s father’s parents once lived next door to my mother’s parents back in the 1920s. WV is a small town. Fabulous rowdy stories from back in the ’20s and ’30s~!!~

  227. 227.

    catclub

    @Ruckus: I wouldn’t wish a fall down stairs on very many people.

     

    Some people are like slinky’s – they make folks smile when they fall down a staircase.

  230. 230.

    Amir Khalid

    @Jay:

    I question your use of quote marks around the word needed. The rule only applies in an exigency, which is by dfinition something rare. Are you suggesting the rule is intended to give cover to Muslims with a frivolous urge for a ham sandwich or a glass of beer?

  231. 231.

    SFAW

    @NotMax:

    The kewl kidz attended South.

    Well, I don’t know if they were kewl, but the smart kids attended South, and the rich kids attended North. [Of course, in Great Neck, “rich” probably applies to the entire municipality, but in relative terms, the North side was generally wealthier than the South side.]

  233. 233.

    SFAW

    WaterGirl and elves:

    New (for me, at least) site issue:

     

    My comment # 231 sometimes displays overlaid on Amir’s comment # 230. It sometimes resolves after multiple page-reloads, but the “resolution” appears to be intermittent/temporary.

     

    I’m running Chrome on a Win XP platform

  234. 234.

    NotMax

    @SFAW

    Yes. And your point about degree of affluence is apt, as the district for North includes if not all, then the bulk of Kings Point.

  235. 235.

    SFAW

    @NotMax:

    North includes Kings Point, Saddle Rock, much/most of “Great Neck proper,” probably Harbor Hills, and I think (part of) Great Neck Gardens. South included the rest: Russell Gardens, University Gardens, Kensington, Great Neck Estates (which is nice, but sounds a lot more impressive than it is), unincorporated North Hempstead, Lake Success (parts of which are pretty expensive, I think), and New Hyde Park (which was always thought of as a “blue collar” area, but that may have changed). South also included Spinney Hill, which “back in the day” was primarily black and Hispanic. [I drove through Spinney Hill a year or two ago; it’s changed. A lot.]

     

    OK, I’ll try not to be so long-winded next time.

  236. 236.

    NotMax

    @SFAW

    What, no Thomaston? :)

    Large Chinese influx in what you deem Great Neck proper now, I think by now eclipsing the Persian one from a few decades back. Driving through last year, the business district in the Great Neck Plaza area wasn’t exactly thriving but was active (surprising number of dollar stores there now), whereas once heading to the old town area, it became one empty storefront after another.

  239. 239.

    SFAW

    @NotMax:

     

    Last time I was there (September to see a Mets game), I didn’t make it up to the old village. Sorry to hear that it seems to have fallen on hard times. Your other comments (influxes, business vitality) echo my experiences.

     

    Now I’m getting all wistful.

  244. 244.

    joel hanes

    @Emerald:

     

    it just may sink the Rs in the Senate as they continue to defend him

     

    A consummation devoutly to be wished.

     

    Trump is holed below the waterline in several places; he’s only kept afloat by pumping — but only a handful of Rs (Amash) have abandoned ship.

     

    Interesting times.

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