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Boiled Nuts

by John Cole|  December 8, 201912:15 pm| 153 Comments

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Made to the island, and am now sitting outside at a cafe waiting for lunch and waiting on my parents to get to the rental so I can unpack their car and then head back north to home crap home. Stopped at a gas station this morning, and they proudly offered boiled peanuts with multiple seasonings.

WTF people, why are you boiling your peanuts?

Speaking of boiled nuts, this is the first campaign billboard I have seen this election cycle:

tulsi gabbard billboard

Apparently either Tulsi has a following outside of Columbia, SC, or the Republicans are trying to ratfuck the primary. Either is equally possible, because South Carolina.

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  1. 1.

    Nicole

    December 8, 2019 at 12:21 pm

    “South Carolina is too small for a republic and too large for an insane asylum.”- Petigru

  2. 2.

    Quinerly

    December 8, 2019 at 12:25 pm

    Love NC boiled peanuts. I think at one time my birth state grew more peanuts that any other state. You can also find boiled peanuts in a can at most Southern Dollar Trees.

  3. 3.

    EthylEster

    December 8, 2019 at 12:26 pm

    I was recently in NC and SC. I had forgotten about how ubiquitous AND disgusting boiled peanuts are.

  4. 4.

    Mowgli

    December 8, 2019 at 12:27 pm

    I’ve seen those Tulsi billboards in SC along 85. I chuckle every time. One says “the heart of a soldier” or some nonsense. Such an obvious ratf*ck candidate, yet I’m sure it sells in DeliveranceLand.

  5. 5.

    Another Scott

    December 8, 2019 at 12:28 pm

    https://www.seriouseats.com/2015/08/history-southern-boiled-peanuts.html

    So-called fresh “green” peanuts are highly perishable due to their high moisture content, and they will go bad if not cooked or air-dried within a few days of coming out of the ground. Before the days of mechanical processing, the vines were stacked in rows in the fields and allowed to cure for two weeks until the pods were dry enough to be picked off. Only then were the raw peanuts ready for transport or roasting.

    African Americans, though, had long had a proven way to prepare fresh green peanuts. W. H. Shelton, a captured Union soldier who escaped from a Columbia, South Carolina, prison camp in 1864, made his way eastward toward Charleston and along the way was given food by some of the African American freedmen he encountered. On multiple occasions he was provided with “boiled peanuts, which was a favorite way of cooking when the bean was too green to bake.”

    Boiled peanuts, in other words, were a seasonal preparation available only during the peanut harvest, which usually runs for about six weeks between August and October. As best as I can tell, long after roasted peanuts were being enjoyed all over America, the only people boiling them were black Southerners. And proper boiled peanuts really couldn’t be anything but a Southern treat, since once you get past Virginia there wouldn’t be fresh green peanuts to use. And, while plenty of white Southerners were growing peanuts by the time of the Civil War, they left no records of boiling them.

    True? Who knows.

    Enjoy!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  6. 6.

    Baud

    December 8, 2019 at 12:29 pm

    Doesn’t SC have a closed primary?

  7. 7.

    Raven

    December 8, 2019 at 12:30 pm

    They weren’t boiled but for years the peanuts sold at Georgia football games were “The World’s Worst Peanuts” and they were from South Carolina.

  8. 8.

    Baud

    December 8, 2019 at 12:31 pm

    @Another Scott:

     

    True? Who knows.

    In this day and age, the more appropriate question is Who cares?

  9. 9.

    Raven

    December 8, 2019 at 12:31 pm

    In 1935, Cromer’s was founded by midlands South Carolina farmer Julian D. Cromer. Shortly thereafter, Cromer’s took on near legendary status when he added fresh roasted peanuts to his produce stand at the Farmers Market in depression-era Columbia. Although Cromer insisted on roasting a new batch every morning, a competitor would yell out to his customers, “Don’t buy those mine are the best! Cromer’s are no good.” Cleverly Cromer agreed and posted his own slogan, “Guaranteed Worst in Town.” Curious people soon flocked to his stand to try “the worst.”

  10. 10.

    trollhattan

    December 8, 2019 at 12:34 pm

    Peanuts=poison. I’ll extend the courtesy to Tulsi. Hawai’i are not sending their best.

  11. 11.

    DCrefugee

    December 8, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    Boiled peanuts are a southern staple. Salty, and a cheap, easy way to prepare something of which there’s an abundance, usually to go with beer.

  12. 12.

    zhena gogolia

    December 8, 2019 at 12:41 pm

    And as we debate whether Pete is history’s greatest monster because he worked at McKinsey, this is what we’re actually up against:

    It’s not even coded antisemitism. It’s not a dog whistle. He’s saying this. Out loud. To a room full of Jews. (Who laugh, wtaf white supremacy is a hell of a drug) https://t.co/IgYNBWjyZ0— Rabbi Danya Ruttenberg (@TheRaDR) December 8, 2019

  13. 13.

    Mike E

    December 8, 2019 at 12:42 pm

    Tulsi appeals to the “darling Nikki” crowd there, doncha know

  14. 14.

    dm

    December 8, 2019 at 12:44 pm

    There’s a big Tulsi billboard in Manchester, NH, too. Also the only billboard I’ve seen.

  15. 15.

    Patricia Kayden

    December 8, 2019 at 12:47 pm

    Just to be clear, hours before giving a speech about how 100% of Jewish-Americans are greedy and 70% of Jewish-Americans are disloyal, Trump held a political event with a couple war criminals whose murderous actions he has repeatedly endorsed as right and good. https://t.co/4XocGJaDUx— Zeddy (@Zeddary) December 8, 2019

  16. 16.

    LeeM

    December 8, 2019 at 12:47 pm

    Boiled peanut recipes are a matter of great concern in The Lowcountry. We make big batches and freeze for winter.

  17. 17.

    oldster

    December 8, 2019 at 12:50 pm

    Another Trump rant about how American Jews should be loyal to Israel.

     

    And my first reaction is, “how can you be loyal to a country when you are not a citizen of it?”

     

    But then I remember Trump and Russia.

     

    I am pretty sure that Putin will make him a citizen after Trump seeks asylum there, but he’s not a citizen yet.

     

    And yet!  One of Putin’s most loyal boot-lickers!

  18. 18.

    Gvg

    December 8, 2019 at 12:51 pm

    I love boiled peanuts. White southern girl. I guess its what you grew up with. Not fond of the new fangled creole flavored ones. Just green bouled with lots of salt.

  19. 19.

    Miss Bianca

    December 8, 2019 at 12:52 pm

    @zhena gogolia: He’s not “the world’s greatest monster” because he worked at McKinsey. But yes – anyone who thrives at McKinsey IS a type of monster. Maybe not a “vote for me, you Jews, because all you care about is your money” monster – but a “yeah, I know shit-all about the dairy industry but OF COURSE I feel comfortable advising Big-Tooth High-Tech Megatron Dairy Company to shit-can their smallest producers because PROFIT” monster.

     

    Is that type of monster better or worse than an anti-Semitic monster? I dunno. But let’s not minimize the kind of damage that nice, clean, young, white men can do without resorting to racist dog-whistles. And let’s not pretend that it’s something a candidate shouldn’t have to address because his opponent is worse.

  20. 20.

    Baud

    December 8, 2019 at 12:54 pm

    @Miss Bianca:

     

    Um… Better.  Easily.

  21. 21.

    laura

    December 8, 2019 at 12:55 pm

    Good on you Blogfather getting your parents tucked into their winter roost, and then turning around for home and all the Joy’s that heading for home bring.

    @zhena gogolia: That’s one giant skid mark trotting his prejudice around to stroke his poisoned ego and the crowd laughs and claps and begs for more abuse while his base sing Tomorrow Belongs To Me. Astonishing.

  22. 22.

    trollhattan

    December 8, 2019 at 12:58 pm

    Sportsball programming notes:

    NCAA Women’s Soccer College Cup final at 5:30 PST. Stanford looking to crush the souls of North Carolina from the comfort of their very valuable backyard. Lest you feel any pity for the victims du jour, NC holds 21 of 36 total NCAA championships.

    Also, too, Seattle at Rams at the same time is all about salting away the NFC west and positioning for the #1 playoff seed.

    I’ll be off at some concert, so the DVR will be busy.

  23. 23.

    Shakti

    December 8, 2019 at 12:58 pm

    WTF people, why are you boiling your peanuts?

    Properly boiled young homemade peanuts are delicious and addictive. They also take a while to soak in the salt through the shells. And then you’ve got to boil them for what seems like forever.

    Gas station ones, I agree, get mushy and gross. Especially at the end of a batch.

     

    I first had them at my grandmother’s house in India. It’s not just a Southern US thing.

  24. 24.

    JPL

    December 8, 2019 at 12:59 pm

    When I first moved here they sold boiled peanuts at the corner gas station.  I can still find them within a mile of where I live but I can proudly say that I have resisted trying them even though I lived here thirty years.

  25. 25.

    Uncle Omar

    December 8, 2019 at 1:00 pm

    Why doesn’t Tulsi just take her 8:00 PM EST slot at Faux News and be done with if, FFS?  That’s what her “campaign” has been about from day 1…she’s being primaried in Hawai’i and will lose there so she need a soft, well-paid landing spot.

  26. 26.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 8, 2019 at 1:00 pm

    @oldster:

    I am pretty sure that Putin will make him a citizen after Trump seeks asylum there, but he’s not a citizen yet.

    And yet!  One of Putin’s most loyal boot-lickers! ass-suckers!

    Fixed.

  27. 27.

    Miss Bianca

    December 8, 2019 at 1:00 pm

    @Baud: Yeah, the way a splinter is better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.

  28. 28.

    JPL

    December 8, 2019 at 1:01 pm

    Has anyone seen Marriage Story on Netflix?

  29. 29.

    Baud

    December 8, 2019 at 1:01 pm

    @mrmoshpotato:

     

    He loves Putin’s ass.

  30. 30.

    Joey Maloney

    December 8, 2019 at 1:02 pm

    @Mike E: I do not want to know anything about what magazine she masturbates with.

  31. 31.

    Duane

    December 8, 2019 at 1:02 pm

    “Goodness how delicious, eating goober peas!”

  32. 32.

    brendancalling

    December 8, 2019 at 1:05 pm

    Boiled peanuts are southern edamame.

  33. 33.

    Joey Maloney

    December 8, 2019 at 1:05 pm

    @Uncle Omar: I haven’t seen polling, but it’s by no means certain that Tulsi would lose her primary. In the 2018 primary she got 80% of the vote. HI-2 is weird.

  34. 34.

    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon

    December 8, 2019 at 1:05 pm

    @Uncle Omar: You can’t lose if you don’t run for re-election.

  35. 35.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 8, 2019 at 1:08 pm

    @JPL: I see Laura Dern is in it.  Is she chased by any velociraptors?

  36. 36.

    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon

    December 8, 2019 at 1:08 pm

    @Joey Maloney: Rep. Gabbard is not running for re-election.

  37. 37.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 8, 2019 at 1:09 pm

    @Baud: I know.  It’s been obvious for years.

  38. 38.

    Mike in NC

    December 8, 2019 at 1:09 pm

    @oldster: In addition to Trump, Putin’s celebrity boot lickers include Steven Seagal and Gerard Depardieu.

  39. 39.

    cain

    December 8, 2019 at 1:14 pm

    In India, you get steamed peanuts and it’s delicious!

  40. 40.

    feebog

    December 8, 2019 at 1:26 pm

    I’m sure glad this post turned out to be about a food preparation technique.  My imagination runs in other directions.

  41. 41.

    debbie

    December 8, 2019 at 1:32 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

     

    WTF? “You’re not nice people at all, but you have to vote for me?”

  42. 42.

    Keith P

    December 8, 2019 at 1:33 pm

    @brendancalling: Yep.  My grandmother LOVED boiled peanuts.  One of my last memories of her was driving behind her and my uncle, and their car abruptly turned off the road….to a store that had a “FRESH BOILED PEANUTS” sign out front.

    My brother and I both love them, too  They’re even good out of a can (which can be readily found throughout the South)

  43. 43.

    debbie

    December 8, 2019 at 1:35 pm

    @Patricia Kayden:

    I made the mistake of clicking and looking at the photo. Fashion tip: If you’re going to wear strappy sandals, make sure the straps aren’t all askew. It totally kills the look. //

  44. 44.

    dww44

    December 8, 2019 at 1:35 pm

    @Quinerly: Boiled peanuts are a Southern delicacy.  Some can cook them well with the proper amount of salt;others cannot.  Best are done low and slow, imo.  We buy them all the time from a local fresh vegetable vendor.  They’re great.

  45. 45.

    Lapassionara

    December 8, 2019 at 1:38 pm

    @Baud: when we lived there, SC had an open primary.

     

    and the pronunciation of “boiled” is “berled.”

  46. 46.

    Felanius Kootea

    December 8, 2019 at 1:47 pm

    @Another Scott: Nigerians eat boiled groundnuts (we don’t call them peanuts).  They are delicious!

  47. 47.

    jeffreyw

    December 8, 2019 at 1:48 pm

    The first time I was given boiled peanuts as a snack was in Vietnam, 50 years ago.  A “coke girl” asked me if I wanted some peanuts and I said hell yeah, thinking salty, roasted, ballpark delights.  She brought over a paper cone full of the boiled things and I was all WTF is this shit.  Hell, they weren’t even salty.

  48. 48.

    Mnemosyne

    December 8, 2019 at 1:50 pm

    Can’t cheat the primary without a spoiler candidate, so of course they’re pushing Tulsi so they can hide some of the other candidates’ vote totals in hers. I still firmly believe that’s why Jill Stein had an unusually high number of votes in 2016 that just happened to hand the state to Trump in 2016.

  49. 49.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 8, 2019 at 1:53 pm

    @debbie: You expected something else from a walking turd who thinks he’s a gift to humanity?

  50. 50.

    spudgun

    December 8, 2019 at 1:58 pm

    Oh, no…RIP Big Bird

  51. 51.

    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon

    December 8, 2019 at 1:58 pm

    @Mnemosyne:  Why allow victories in so many close 2017 (Jones-AL) and 2018 races? Why allow a close Dem win in 2019 KY gov race?

    They fight so hard to win the news cycle and put out all this propaganda. Why go to all this other trouble, if they can just hack the votes? It doesn’t pass Occam’s razor.

  52. 52.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 8, 2019 at 2:10 pm

    @spudgun: :( ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ

  53. 53.

    Frankensteinbeck

    December 8, 2019 at 2:10 pm

    @debbie:

    “You’re not nice people at all, but you have to vote for me?”

    Trump has a history of indulging in the classic ‘Jews are greedy’ stereotypes.  Being the greedy asshole that he is, he doesn’t see this as bad.  He’s an anti-semite, but in the manner that Jews are his model minority.  He is fond of the stereotype less-than-humans that he sees Jews as.  I fear there is a significant block of Jews who only care that he hates who they hate, even though the majority see him as a Nazi-coddling monster.

  54. 54.

    AM in NC

    December 8, 2019 at 2:12 pm

    @Another Scott: Thanks for that info. I am a southern girl and love boiled peanuts (ate them in New Orleans, where I grew up). My yankee husband? Not so much.

  55. 55.

    Baud

    December 8, 2019 at 2:14 pm

    @Lapassionara:

     

    That makes sense then.  Thanks.

  56. 56.

    zhena gogolia

    December 8, 2019 at 2:17 pm

    @Miss Bianca:

     

    This is not a normal election. We can’t afford to cancel people because they worked at McKinsey. We need to beat Trump this time. Positive energy has to go out to all our candidates — because one of them is going to have to beat him. (note I said all “our” candidates, not Putin’s)

  57. 57.

    Betty Cracker

    December 8, 2019 at 2:21 pm

    I almost killed my grandmother with a container of boiled peanuts. She loved them, and I always stopped at the same stand to buy some for her on the way to visit. Several years ago, I brought her peanuts as usual, which she started eating after I left. She had a bad reaction and was rushed to the ER. At age 93, she developed a peanut allergy, after eating them all of her life. She recovered from the peanut scare and lived to be 99.

  58. 58.

    Geoduck

    December 8, 2019 at 2:21 pm

    In my blue town in a blue state, the only campaign signs I’ve seen so far have been for Yang, of all people. And of course, once you get out into the hinterlands, ones for the Shaitgibbon.

  59. 59.

    Mary G

    December 8, 2019 at 2:22 pm

    When I was little and had to go to Texas to visit the deplorable relatives to make my grandma happy, it was always a nightmare, except that time we had fried cashews at Sears. They threw them in the oil when you ordered them and gave them to you hot as hell. So delicious.

  60. 60.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    December 8, 2019 at 2:25 pm

    Big Bird (Caroll Spinney) performing “Bein’ Green” during Jim Henson’s memorial service.Thank you, Caroll. ? pic.twitter.com/mq1lzdTfqy— ?Muppet History ? (@HistoryMuppet) December 8, 2019

  61. 61.

    p.a.

    December 8, 2019 at 2:27 pm

    Too bad Gabbard is ostensibly a D, otherwise John could ratfuck her primary chances while he’s down there by rumor mongering that she’s John McCain’s love child.

  62. 62.

    Mnemosyne

    December 8, 2019 at 2:32 pm

    I’ve been off-line lately (everything’s fine, just busy), but has anyone else mentioned that Trayvon Martin’s mother Sybrina Fulton is following in Lucy McBath’s footsteps and running for office? She’s running for county commissioner in Miami-Dade county.

    https://sybrinafulton.com

  63. 63.

    WaterGirl

    December 8, 2019 at 2:32 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Oh my god, Betty, you must have been beside yourself, even though it wasn’t your fault in any way. Glad she was a tough old bird.  But how the heck do you develop at allergy at 93 ?

  64. 64.

    WaterGirl

    December 8, 2019 at 2:35 pm

    @Mnemosyne: You haven’t said a word… are you over LMM?

    https://balloon-juice.com/topics/

  65. 65.

    WaterGirl

    December 8, 2019 at 2:37 pm

    oh, so that’s what john meant by boiled nuts. I thought he had finally come up with the punishment for people who blow through the first 4 levels of punishment for comment policy violations.

  66. 66.

    Doug R

    December 8, 2019 at 2:40 pm

    @Mike E: 
    South Carolina loves their slave catchers and Uncle Ruckuses I guess.

  67. 67.

    Miss Bianca

    December 8, 2019 at 2:41 pm

    @zhena gogolia:  I dunno, as I’ve said before, I worked at McKinsey and got an up-close and personal look at the kind of people who succeeded there and they struck me as sociopaths, without exception. I would expect someone who worked there to have the hubris to think that he was qualified to jump from mayor of South Bend to the White House.
    What I didn’t expect is that so many Democrats appear to agree with him.

  68. 68.

    ellenr

    December 8, 2019 at 2:41 pm

    @WaterGirl: Aflatoxin

  69. 69.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 8, 2019 at 2:45 pm

    @Miss Bianca: anyone who thrives at McKinsey IS a type of monster… Is that type of monster better or worse than an anti-Semitic monster? I dunno.

    Seriously…?

  70. 70.

    chris

    December 8, 2019 at 2:46 pm

    @feebog: Great minds, right? As in–OK Cole, what the hell have you done now?!!!

  71. 71.

    Miss Bianca

    December 8, 2019 at 2:52 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: see #67. The people who succeed at McKinsey aren’t saying the quiet parts out loud.

  72. 72.

    Pete Mack

    December 8, 2019 at 2:52 pm

    @Quinerly:

    First you boil them with salt and star anise. Then you roast them. Mmmmm.

  73. 73.

    seaninclt

    December 8, 2019 at 2:54 pm

    maybe cuz peanuts aren’t nuts at all, but rather beans?

  74. 74.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 8, 2019 at 2:54 pm

    @Miss Bianca: none of the management consultants (or Ex-) I know are monsters. Maybe two are sociopaths. Many were big Bernie 2016 boosters. None have gone into public service or the military. Good for Pete.

  75. 75.

    Miss Bianca

    December 8, 2019 at 3:01 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Pete’s every move has been calculated towards gaining power. Fancy schools, fancy jobs, just enough military service, then politics. Now his every statement appears calculated for effect. Yeah, good for Pete, but I reserve the right to doubt that what’s good for Pete is necessarily good for the Democrats or for the country.

  76. 76.

    debbie

    December 8, 2019 at 3:02 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Sadly, I think you’re right. Good Germans all.

  77. 77.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 8, 2019 at 3:02 pm

    @Miss Bianca: well, at least we’ve talked you down from “I’m not sure if he’s less of a monster than Trump.”

  78. 78.

    Miss Bianca

    December 8, 2019 at 3:06 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: If that’s what you thought I was saying, think again.

  79. 79.

    Paul T

    December 8, 2019 at 3:07 pm

    You pour your boiled p-nuts into your RC Cola.  Jeez, cmon.

  80. 80.

    Martin

    December 8, 2019 at 3:09 pm

    @Another Scott: It’s true. The other benefit of boiling is it provides a really easy way of seasoning the nuts simply by seasoning the water.

    IOW, if you want seasoned peanuts, this is by far the cheapest and fastest method. Dry roasted peanuts are fancy food for rich white folk.

  81. 81.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 8, 2019 at 3:10 pm

    @Miss Bianca: quoted you directly at #69, glad to hear I must have misunderstood.

  82. 82.

    Martin

    December 8, 2019 at 3:11 pm

    @WaterGirl: Level 5 certainly involves some kind of skullfucking. Gotta stay on brand.

  83. 83.

    WaterGirl

    December 8, 2019 at 3:14 pm

    @ellenr: Yeah, I learned about aflatoxins and peanuts in a class I took on the environment.  But Betty said she developed an allergy, so to me that doesn’t say aflatoxin. ?‍♀️ I am clearly not an expert!

  84. 84.

    Martin

    December 8, 2019 at 3:14 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Management consultant has a pretty broad spread from ‘why aren’t you moving into this market that is eating your lunch?’ to ‘if you take out insurance policies on your employees, you can actually turn a profit when you run over them with a forklift’.

    Don’t go too hard on the folks that lived the latter experience.

  85. 85.

    zhena gogolia

    December 8, 2019 at 3:16 pm

    @WaterGirl:

     

    He did a guest post? When was that?

  86. 86.

    WaterGirl

    December 8, 2019 at 3:17 pm

    @Martin: Just for a moment, I was worried that some sort of NorthCarolization might have Cole brainwashed, but you are so right.

    If not for the issue of being on-brand, I do find myself wondering which would be the worse punishment: skull fucking or boiling nuts.  (Assuming, of course, that no kittens were harmed during the former.)

  87. 87.

    Felanius Kootea

    December 8, 2019 at 3:17 pm

    @Miss Bianca: I have a cousin who loves Mayor Pete – they were friends at Harvard and lived in the same dorm. He was already talking him up in 2016!  I’m not as impressed by him; the whole police chief firing thing gave me pause.  But he does have good friends who believe he is a great person.

  88. 88.

    WaterGirl

    December 8, 2019 at 3:18 pm

    @zhena gogolia: It wasn’t meant to be literal.  More of a representation of “Guest Posts”…

  89. 89.

    germy

    December 8, 2019 at 3:23 pm

    Sad.  He was the nicest.

    LOS ANGELES (AP) – Caroll Spinney, who gave Big Bird his warmth and Oscar the Grouch his growl for nearly 50 years on “Sesame Street,” died Sunday at the age of 85 at his home in Connecticut, according to the Sesame Workshop.

    The Sesame Workshop said in a statement that the legendary puppeteer lived for some time with dystonia, which causes involuntary muscle contractions.

  90. 90.

    Miss Bianca

    December 8, 2019 at 3:23 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Not every anti-Semite is Trump. And not every anti-Semite I’ve met has  had as much power to screw people over as either Trump *or* the McKinsey consultants I worked for. Just because someone isn’t an open anti-Semite doesn’t mean he’s imcapable of being just as great a moral monster, is the point I was infelicitously making.

    Which isn’t to say that Pete is a moral monster, but I don’t think we should be just brushing off the fact that he worked for a company that advised ICE how to be more *efficiently* sadistic, either.

  91. 91.

    Mandalay

    December 8, 2019 at 3:24 pm

    @Miss Bianca:

    Pete’s every move has been calculated towards gaining power. Fancy schools, fancy jobs, just enough military service, then politics.

    Where you see a power grabber, others see a stellar resume.

     

    And the notion that every other person who has become president (with the the arguable exceptions of Johnson and Ford) never made moves “calculated towards gaining power” is naive beyond words.

  92. 92.

    Mnemosyne

    December 8, 2019 at 3:26 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    I will never be over LMM, but I got so much negative feedback that I suppress it while I’m here. But thank you! ?

  93. 93.

    Fancycwabs

    December 8, 2019 at 3:29 pm

    Just a quick reminder that “look at that weird food” is probably racist.

  94. 94.

    WaterGirl

    December 8, 2019 at 3:30 pm

    Totally off topic…

    Is anyone else watching Black Lightning?  I am in the process of catching up on this season, and I’m struck by the parallels between the issues raised in the show and what’s happening around us.

    I was never a comic book person growing up, or really at any point in my life, but I do enjoy a lot of shows (Marvel’s Agents of Shield, The Flash, Arrow, Supergirl…) but without knowing any backstories for any of these shows or the characters, I have no idea whether the plot lines are being created on the fly as they are with other shows or if they are based on actual stories written long ago.

    I am really liking Black Lightning even without knowing any back stories, but I do wonder about the stories.

  95. 95.

    Miss Bianca

    December 8, 2019 at 3:31 pm

    @Felanius Kootea: You know, he may be a great person. I’m sure I would love to have the proverbial beer with him. He’s cool and fun and says great stuff greatly. But I don’t think he’s ready for prime time, and it makes me angry and sad to be living in a political time and place where so many other people, including himself, *do*.

     

    What sounds like bitterness is mostly frustration, at this point.

  96. 96.

    WaterGirl

    December 8, 2019 at 3:32 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Really?  I am sorry to hear that.  To me it seemed like good natured teasing not criticism, judgment or negative feedback, but then I wasn’t the person it was directed toward, which I know can be an entirely different experience than looking at something from the outside.

    Personally, I am grateful that you talked about him a lot because I think he’s an incredible talent and an amazing human being.

  97. 97.

    Baud

    December 8, 2019 at 3:37 pm

    @WaterGirl:

     

    I watch it but I’m still catching up on last season on Netflix.

  98. 98.

    Miss Bianca

    December 8, 2019 at 3:37 pm

    @Mandalay: Funny, I don’t seem to recall Joe Biden running for POTUS right after two terms as a state representative.

    But yeah, it is a bit naive of me to expect or want POTUS candidates to have a bit more political experience than a failed run for state-wide office, a failed bid for DNC chairman, and a mayorship of a mid-size city under his/her belt. You got me there, cowboy.

  99. 99.

    Betty Cracker

    December 8, 2019 at 3:39 pm

    @Paul T: I’ve seen people pour a pack of salted peanuts in an RC, but never boiled peanuts. Is that really a thing?

  100. 100.

    Martin

    December 8, 2019 at 3:42 pm

    @Miss Bianca: You ask too much. Look, ‘didn’t declare bankruptcy more than 3 times’ and ‘haven’t been accused of rape’ are the new ‘Former Governor and current Senator from …’.

    Never say Trump doesn’t have a lasting political legacy.

  101. 101.

    Cacti

    December 8, 2019 at 3:42 pm

    Tulsi’s fans are nearly all Republican, Putinists or both.  Her support among Dems is within the margin of error.

  102. 102.

    Baud

    December 8, 2019 at 3:44 pm

    @Martin:

     

    So you’re saying I have a chance…

  103. 103.

    Martin

    December 8, 2019 at 3:44 pm

    @Cacti: You know, there’s a ‘I really like dictators, yet I want to call myself a Democrat’ demographic out there that really deserves some form of representation.

  104. 104.

    Keith P

    December 8, 2019 at 3:45 pm

    @Another Scott: I’ve heard before that you have to use green peanuts for boiled peanuts, but in practice, you can just boil the bags they have in the produce section of the grocery…the bags have a recipe for boiled peanuts on the back.  They’re perfectly delicious that way.

  105. 105.

    Martin

    December 8, 2019 at 3:45 pm

    @Baud: Look, if you’re white and male, the modern Democratic party has decided you’re electable and deserving of standing on the next debate stage. Go for it.

  106. 106.

    Cacti

    December 8, 2019 at 3:47 pm

    @Martin:   Reminds me of a description I once read about Joe Lieberman’s constituency for POTUS:

     

    Voters who like George W. Bush but don’t think he’s Jewish enough.

  107. 107.

    Baud

    December 8, 2019 at 3:48 pm

    @Martin:

     

    Man, how bad must Tim Ryan be feeling right now?

  108. 108.

    Miss Bianca

    December 8, 2019 at 3:51 pm

    @Martin: *lolsob

  109. 109.

    zhena gogolia

    December 8, 2019 at 3:53 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Let’s get him!

  110. 110.

    zhena gogolia

    December 8, 2019 at 3:54 pm

    @Mandalay:

     

    Johnson???? You mean LBJ, that innocent flower?

  111. 111.

    Martin

    December 8, 2019 at 3:55 pm

    @BaudHe peaked too soon, during the window when Democrats pretended that a women or POC was deserving of high office. He should have waited until we hit our ‘OMG, if we lose Steelworker Steves Ohio Diner vote we’re fucked! We gotta sell out now!’ phase. He’d be owning that stage now.

  112. 112.

    zhena gogolia

    December 8, 2019 at 3:56 pm

    @Martin:

     

    Absolutely correct.

  113. 113.

    Martin

    December 8, 2019 at 3:57 pm

    @Cacti: They weren’t wrong.

  114. 114.

    opiejeanne

    December 8, 2019 at 3:59 pm

    I had much the same reaction as everyone else to the title of this thread, but I did see “The Hard Nut” yesterday. Hilarious and weird take on “The Nutcracker”. Lots of men dancing women’s parts in Snow and Flowers so that they could do “lifts” with the ladies, although we didn’t see a single “fish” in the entire show so I feel a little cheated. There were none of the classic duets.

    The maid in the first half stole the show, not sure if the part was danced by a man or a woman, en pointe.  The live orchestra was a little light on violins (really, you cut corners by not hiring enough violins?) but they were outstanding.

    Mark Morris came on stage at the end and took a bow.

  115. 115.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 8, 2019 at 4:03 pm

    @Fancycwabs: “That doesn’t sound appetizing.”
    “You’re racist!”
    “Ummm….are you feeling ok?”

  116. 116.

    Mandalay

    December 8, 2019 at 4:03 pm

    @Miss Bianca: 

    I don’t seem to recall Joe Biden running for POTUS right after two terms as a state representative.

    You’re using Joe FUCKING Biden as your example to shit on Buttigieg’s resume??? Biden has done absolutely nothing but be a politician since 1972.

    And as for you getting the vapors about Buttigieg making calculated political moves to gain power, when Biden won a seat on the local council “Even before taking his seat, he was already talking about running for the U.S. Senate in a couple of years“.

    Everyone running for president – absolutely everyone – makes moves “calculated towards gaining power”. Stop being so fucking naive.

  117. 117.

    WaterGirl

    December 8, 2019 at 4:04 pm

    @Baud: I was about to write “Do you like it as much as I do?” but before i could even start typing I could see your response:

    “How can I know how much you like it?” and gave up before I started. :-)

    One thing I think is interesting about TV right now is how much play ICE gets.  In the more serious shows, like For the People and All Rise, most often there is not a happy ending, no matter how hard the good guys go to bat for people after ICE steps in.  On shows like Magnum, PI, they sugar coat it and ICE isn’t portrayed as accurately.

  118. 118.

    Felanius Kootea

    December 8, 2019 at 4:04 pm

    @Miss Bianca: 

    I don’t think he’s ready for prime time either but I think he has some pretty good political talent. I see his run as building up name recognition for the future – he is not going to win the primary.

    I think fear about Trump’s 2016 electoral college win and of losing to Trump in 2020 has taught Dems the wrong lesson. We’re seeing candidates who have no clue how to bring out the Obama coalition being extolled by media pundits who pretty much ignore the fact that Democrats haven’t won the white vote since the civil rights era. Right now Joe Biden is the candidate who has the best chance of bringing out that coalition but God I can’t stand the man. Think he’s the worst possible candidate but I’ll vote for him to get rid of 45 if it comes to that (with very little enthusiasm).

  119. 119.

    germy

    December 8, 2019 at 4:06 pm

    Biden still promised he’d be able to “work things out” with Graham if they both wound up in Washington together again after the election. “Nothing’s gonna snap back, we’re in a totally different world,” Biden added. But he said he believed there would be “serious consequences” for the Republican Party as Americans reckon with Trump.

    “It’s not like there’s going to be some great epiphany and people are going to wake up and go, ‘oh my God, I’m now a Democrat.’ And if you hear people on the rope line saying, ‘I’m a Republican,’ I say, ‘Stay a Republican.’ Vote for me but stay a Republican, because we need a Republican Party.”

    He later added that he’s concerned about what would happen if the Republican Party was totally “clobbered.”

    “I’m really worried that no party should have too much power,” he said. “You need a countervailing force.”

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/nidhiprakash/joe-biden-hunter-biden-questions?bftwnews&utm_term=4ldqpgc#4ldqpgc

  120. 120.

    Mandalay

    December 8, 2019 at 4:07 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    Johnson???? You mean LBJ, that innocent flower?

    Hah! No, not at all, but he wasn’t exactly expecting to become president when he woke up on the day he got the job.

  121. 121.

    WaterGirl

    December 8, 2019 at 4:08 pm

    @zhena gogolia: Call me a crazy optimist, but I wouldn’t completely rule out the possibility of someone here somehow having some connection where they could at least ask for a Q&A or something.

  122. 122.

    Martin

    December 8, 2019 at 4:08 pm

    @germy:

    He later added that he’s concerned about what would happen if the Republican Party was totally “clobbered.”

    “I’m really worried that no party should have too much power,” he said. “You need a countervailing force.”

    He shouldn’t do Bernie dirty that way.

  123. 123.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 8, 2019 at 4:14 pm

    @germy: What was Joe paying attention to during his vice-presidency?  It definitely wasn’t the Russthuglicans telling his boss to get fucked every chance they had.

     

    ETA – Will Democratic control of the House, Senate and White House give us TOO much affordable healthcare, or TOO much of a social safety net?

  124. 124.

    germy

    December 8, 2019 at 4:20 pm

    @mrmoshpotato:

    Will Democratic control of the House, Senate and White House give us TOO much affordable healthcare, or TOO much of a social safety net?

    I don’t know, but I would hope it wouldn’t be too troubling to President Biden.

  125. 125.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 8, 2019 at 4:23 pm

    @germy: Yeah.  That’d be a shame! /S?(dripping sarcasm) :)

  126. 126.

    EthylEster

    December 8, 2019 at 4:24 pm

    @Mandalay: And the notion that every other person who has become president (with the the arguable exceptions of Johnson and Ford) never made moves “calculated towards gaining power” is naive beyond words.

     

    Yes, that would be naive. So it’s a good thing Miss Bianca didn’t say that.

  127. 127.

    EthylEster

    December 8, 2019 at 4:27 pm

    @Mandalay: And the notion that every other person who has become president (with the the arguable exceptions of Johnson and Ford) never made moves “calculated towards gaining power” is naive beyond words.

     

    I agree. But Miss Bianca did not comment on “every other person”. She was talking about Mayor Pete.

  128. 128.

    EthylEster

    December 8, 2019 at 4:32 pm

    The duplicate-ish comment never let me edit it out of existence.

    But that gives me a chance to ask: what does the letter P (at the lower left of this text box) signify?

  129. 129.

    J R in WV

    December 8, 2019 at 4:33 pm

    @Gvg:

     

    For a while I could get Mexican-style peanuts with lime on them, really good that way. Still available out in the SW, no longer around here. Guess all the hate pumped into the system by Trump made it hard to support peanuts with lime on them. Sad.

  130. 130.

    Martin

    December 8, 2019 at 4:34 pm

    @EthylEster: I think the problem here is that anyone with the surplus of confidence to even consider running for president is thereby disqualified from being president. I don’t disagree with that, btw. The parade of career professionals coming through the impeachment hearings is what we wished were the candidates for the office.

  131. 131.

    Kay

    December 8, 2019 at 4:45 pm

    Ha. I worked for a crazy southern drunk in North Carolina. Peter. Pe-tah. He had a greenhouse and I “managed” it although I had no idea what I was doing, which was okay because neither did he and he was rarely there. I also drove him places, in his fancy pickup truck, because he had lost his driver’s license, I assume for drunk driving.

    Anyway, we started a boiled peanut business as a side thing, to supplement the (failing) bedding plants operation. We had a big cauldron and we boiled the peanuts outside. We then put them into little bags which we hand stamped with “Peter’s Boiled Peanuts”.

    It was a disaster as a business although I loved the boiled peanuts.

  132. 132.

    zhena gogolia

    December 8, 2019 at 4:51 pm

    @Martin:

     

    No, they would hate it. They like to work.

     

    I wish Obama could just be president for the rest of my life.

  133. 133.

    NotMax

    December 8, 2019 at 4:51 pm

    @opiejeanne

    If it’s the same company as in the televised version from some years back, an all male ensemble.

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

  134. 134.

    Kay

    December 8, 2019 at 4:53 pm

    We also had a (failed) pumpkin growing and selling business.  Pumpkins are horrible because you rent space in a parking lot and set up your truckloads of pumpkins prior to Halloween and then you frantically reduce the prices, knowing you will have to pick all the unsold pumpkins back up – the rows and rows and rows of unsold pumpkins- and truck them back and throw them behind the greenhouse.

    The only time we made any money was growing and selling ripe tomatoes.

    Tomatoes. People want those. We’d sell out in a morning.

  135. 135.

    debbie

    December 8, 2019 at 5:26 pm

    @Martin:

    Re: “Clobbered.” DID THE MAN NOT LIVE THROUGH THE GODDAMN 1980s?

  136. 136.

    WaterGirl

    December 8, 2019 at 5:44 pm

    @debbie: You don’t like the word clobbered?  I do kind of like some of the old words, like clobbered and malarkey.  Preet uses some of my childhood words sometimes, and I like to be reminded of them.  I used to like them when Biden said them, too, but now it reminds me of how out of touch Biden has seemed in this campaign.

  137. 137.

    Joe Falco

    December 8, 2019 at 5:51 pm

    The best boiled peanuts I ever had came from high school football games while growing up in NE Georgia. I stay away from gas station peanuts as I’m usually driving and end up getting cold before I have a chance to enjoy them. The wife will always enjoy the canned ones from the store I’ll pick up from time to time for her.

    While edamame is not the same, I probably wouldn’t have tried them if I didn’t grow up eating our southern version of them.

  138. 138.

    opiejeanne

    December 8, 2019 at 5:58 pm

    @NotMax: No, lots of women, mostly women cast. I didn’t really pick out the men as men until the first lift, and then I had to pay better attention because I’ve never seen a woman do a lift the way this was done.

  139. 139.

    NotMax

    December 8, 2019 at 6:08 pm

    @opiejeanne

    Televised version, Waltz of the Snowflakes.

    Fortuitously set right before the intermission, as it must take the stage crew that entire break time to sweep up all that stuff.

    ;)

  140. 140.

    debbie

    December 8, 2019 at 6:44 pm

    @WaterGirl:
    I’m not objecting to the word. I’m objecting to Biden’s comment that no one party should be clobbered. Man has lost his longterm memory, apparently.

  141. 141.

    Miss Bianca

    December 8, 2019 at 6:50 pm

    @Mandalay: Tell you what – why don’t *you* stop being such a fucking knob who deliberately distorts what other people say, all because it’s apparently beyond you, or beneath you, to argue in good faith.

     

    Yeah, Joe may have wanted to become Senator from jump. But what he didn’t do is pretend he was qualified or entitled to jump right into the White House *before* he was even a Senator.

     

    And speaking of getting the vapors…it’s funny that *you*, of all people, Mr. Leftier-than-Thou, are getting the vapors when someone says Mayor Pete currently has more ambition than actual lefty political cred.  It’s almost as if meaningless contrariarianism were more important to you than your political principles.

  142. 142.

    WaterGirl

    December 8, 2019 at 7:34 pm

    @debbie: I am shaking my head.  Biden is SO not the right person for the times.

  143. 143.

    joel hanes

    December 8, 2019 at 7:55 pm

    @EthylEster:

     

    what does the letter P (at the lower left of this text box) signify?

    It’s something to do with formatting.

    I suspect “paragraph”.

     

    Try this:

    type some text, highlight it, and then choose one of the formatting buttons at the top of the composition window, for example B for “bold”

     

    When I do that, “strong” appears next to the P

    Other word descriptors are associated with the other formatting options

     

    Now you know as much as I do.

  144. 144.

    WaterGirl

    December 8, 2019 at 8:02 pm

    @EthylEster: @joel hanes:

    Yep. Exactly what Joel said.

  145. 145.

    Spanish Moss

    December 8, 2019 at 8:54 pm

    Former Bama gal here, now a Masshole, and I love me some boiled peanuts. I try to time my visits back home to catch the end of the peach season and the beginning of the green peanut season. This ends up being end of July, early August, and my husband complains mightily that we visit the South at the hottest possible time. He has a point, but some things are more important than comfort. I recently discovered that a Vietnamese grocery store near me sometimes has green peanuts, and I am ecstatic. We normally boil our own — the few times I have tried buying them on the side of the road they were not as good, but I suppose it really depends on the place.

  146. 146.

    opiejeanne

    December 9, 2019 at 4:25 am

    @NotMax: It did on Saturday. Everyone was dying laughing when they threw the first fistfuls of snow, and the laughter continued every time a new group emerged from the wings and threw some more.

    Some of those dancers in your clip were girls.

  147. 147.

    Chris Johnson

    December 9, 2019 at 5:55 am

    @oldster: I am pretty sure that Putin will make him a citizen after Trump seeks asylum there, but he’s not a citizen yet.

    No. He may think so: in fact I’d bet he does think so, but like the regular Mafia the retirement plan sucks. He will not retire to Moscow. He will not get asylum. He is meant to die in his tracks, still trying to serve Putin. There won’t even be a eulogy for the sorry bastard.

    It’s interesting how he insults his audience and says ‘you have to vote for me, you won’t vote for Pocohontas, you won’t vote for a wealth tax’ as if that was actually a law.

    Idiots will go down in flames pursuing short-term gains. Not everyone is that kind of idiot. People will go for a wealth tax IF it seems like it will un-wreck the country, and IF they value that at all. Trump is betting everything on people all being literally as bad as him, and the problem is he is a monster, a real trainwreck. Trump doesn’t define humanity. He is an outlier.

  148. 148.

    Chris Johnson

    December 9, 2019 at 6:10 am

    @Mandalay: Wat? Bianca is talking sense. I see very little/no merit to Pete’s campaign. I think it’s possible that Russia is targeting him because he is their image of a dangerously successful Democrat, but unfortunately Russia’s image of a dangerously successful Democrat is ‘soulless hack pushing McKinsey values’. If they were really clever they’d be fighting FOR him, ‘cos that kind of consultant-y rootlessness is extremely dangerous to us.

    Buttigieg is revealing more of himself as time drags on, and it’s not looking good.

  149. 149.

    John R

    December 9, 2019 at 9:46 am

    Tulsi has been advertising here in Columbia for months. The billboard pictured is relatively new. Heading north a couple of miles on I77 from that sign is one that has been up for at least six months. I guess she is trying to get the military vote since both of these are across the interstate from Fort Jackson.

    I love boiled peanuts! Especially cajun seasoned ones!

  150. 150.

    Captain Roman

    December 9, 2019 at 10:27 am

    Back in July, on my way to visit family who have a house on Lake Winnipesaukee in New Hampshire, I passed a Tulsi billboard – not the same, no portrait of Tulsi, but still a full-size billboard.

    Oh, and another point, boiled peanuts suck – big time.

  151. 151.

    Kmcnabb

    December 9, 2019 at 11:25 am

    @Quinerly: i had boiled peanuts at a friends house as a kid and never forgot how great they are. Had them 40 years later when found at a truck stop traveling back from TN. Thanks to google I can now make my own. The hard part is finding the raw peanuts.

  152. 152.

    TOP123

    December 9, 2019 at 4:54 pm

    @trollhattan:  the rest of the delegation is pretty great

  153. 153.

    Bama Billo

    December 9, 2019 at 9:02 pm

    @Kmcnabb: Order them from Hardy Farms in Georgia in September. Order more than you need for 1 boiling. You can freeze them then thaw out what you need each time. That’s what I do.

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