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You are here: Home / Elections / Election 2020 / Iran’s Response: Unconventional and Most Likely Embarrassing

Iran’s Response: Unconventional and Most Likely Embarrassing

by Adam L Silverman|  January 3, 20209:45 pm| 184 Comments

This post is in: Election 2020, Foreign Affairs, Iran, Military, Open Threads, Silverman on Security, War, Cybersecurity

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Cole muses:

and if they were smart, they would ignore the big cities, who have the law enforcement to handle the chaos. Attack middle america where all the people are scared shitless already

— John Cole (@Johngcole) January 4, 2020

christ, they'd have all the gun humpoing gomers out in force, probably end up killing a bunch of innocent people who look like terrorists. Iran could start total fucking chaos here for basically nothing.

— John Cole (@Johngcole) January 4, 2020

Given the asymmetry in the types of military power between the US and Iran, as well as the ability to wield it, Iran’s response to yesterday’s strike that killed Suleimani and Muhandis, and tonight’s strike near Taiji (Taiji is where Abu Ghraib is for those wondering about where Taiji is – it is the northernmost of the agricultural districts, or qadas, that ring Baghdad and separate Baghdad Province from the surrounding provinces), will undoubtedly be unconventional. But it is important to keep in mind that an unconventional response doesn’t mean an unconventional use of military power. The Iranians, like all states, have other elements of national power that they can leverage and use to respond. We refer to these elements of national power as the DIME-FIL (Diplomatic, Informational, Military, Economic, Financial, Intelligence, and Legal). The Iranians also have a well developed and effective cyber operations capacity. And the cyber domain, the tools used to operate effectively in it, and the cyber operations themselves are all very effective ways of utilizing the non-military forms of power.

As we consider what the Iranians might do, we need to move beyond the low hanging fruit of attacks by their proxies on US and our Coalition partners in the region. Or attacks on the petroleum sector in our regional partners that would spike oil and gas prices. I’m not suggesting these won’t happen, I’m sure there will be some of them, but these are obvious and we can plan for them, to manage them, and to mitigate them. There are also less obvious targets and less obvious weapons and tools that the Iranians can use to strike back.

This past fall DHS, the FBI, the Secret Service, and the Arlington, VA Police Department participated in a table top simulation, dubbed Operation Blackout, focusing on the 2020 election. They were the Blue Team (the good guys). The opposing force, or Red Team (the bad guys), were a group of white hat hackers. The Red Team were not permitted to hack the actual election in the simulation, they couldn’t hack machines, voting systems, anything like that. So what did they do? They hacked everything else. And, as a result, within the simulated world of the exercise they created so much chaos that martial law was declared by the person on the Blue Team playing the president in the exercise and the 2020 election, within that notional world, was cancelled. You can read the Red Team’s write up of the exercise here.

In early 2018 I prepared a strategic analysis on Russia’s active measures campaign. I wrote:

Putin’s cyberwarfare has also targeted actual American infrastructure. Russian for cover officials have been tracked mapping US critical physical infrastructure, such as the communication and power transmission grid. This was in support of a cyberwarfare campaign to infiltrate and compromise another important American center of gravity: the US power generation and transmission grid. Putin’s ability to weaponize information and the platforms where American’s get their information combined with his ability to bring down all or portions of the US power grid should have every national security professional very, very, very worried. Putin’s cyberwarriors have already tried to create a response through planting false social media stories of actual fake news reports about a foreign terrorist attack on the US energy sector, an ebola outbreak, and a riot in response to a police shooting. All of which never happened. Imagine what happens when Putin starts turning parts of the US power grid off during extreme weather events while at the same time he’s spreading disinformation made to look like actual news reports or official municipal, state, and/or Federal responses to the disaster he’s created. This is the threat we face.

Now imagine what happens when the Iranians start doing the things that I described above or creating the type of chaos that the Red Team created in the 2020 election simulation. And not in or just in New York or DC or LA or Seattle or Miami or Atlanta or Chicago, but in more suburban and rural areas. In red states that have no where near the state and local capabilities to respond. Imagine what happens when they hack into banks and the financial service sector and start stealing financial information and manipulating the markest. Imagine what happens when they release the Signals Intercepts they have of US elected and appointed officials, as well as those of people running major corporations or the news networks and newspapers.

And this is where the embarrassment comes in. If you want to strike back at the President, you do so in a way that gets under his skin. Skin that he demonstrates daily on his Twitter feed is exceedingly thin. The President is noted for spending hours speaking to world leaders, his outside advisors and friends on an unsecured phone from the White House residence each night, or from one of his properties when he goes to Mar a Lago or plays golf at his clubs, presents a target rich environment all on his own. The Iranians have a target rich environment given the President’s well documented poor Op-Sec and Info-Sec practices. The Iranians have a target rich environment given Rudy Giuliani’s poor Op-Sec and Info-Sec practices. The Iranians have a target rich environment because Jared Kushner communicates with Muhammed bin Salman on WhatsApp, which is  not secure. The Iranians have a target rich environment in the largely wide open US information and cyber domains. And they have the ability to exploit weaknesses in those domains to leverage power, other than military power, across the DIME-FIL. And they will leverage those capabilities to wage an unconventional war against the US and one of the strategic objectives will be to embarrass the President. And that embarrassment will be both an end in itself and done to goad him into badly overreacting out of anger, which will then provide the Iranians with further opportunities to wage their unconventional campaign.

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  1. 1.

    Margaret Imber

    January 3, 2020 at 9:49 pm

    They should go to the UN and The Hague and charge him with war crimes.

  2. 2.

    Mnemosyne

    January 3, 2020 at 9:59 pm

    I have no actual knowledge or expertise, but I have a weird feeling that there will be a move against Saudi Arabia first. I have no logical basis for it, though, so there’s a good chance I’m wrong.

  3. 3.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 3, 2020 at 9:59 pm

    And this is where the embarrassment comes in. If you want to strike back at the President, you do so in a way that gets under his skin.

    That’s a question that’s been floating around in my head as I read people said to be experts on twitter: Will the Iranians want to hit back at the US, or trump, and do they make that distinction?

    also: Republicans are already trying to gin this up as a bold move in the war on terror. Ro Khanna and Bernie are responding with a bill on blocking funding for a war with Iran, which war hasn’t been declared and which bill will surely become the new purity test (thanks, guys). Many of those  purported experts of mine are saying that the Iranian response will not be quick, in which case I wonder to what extent they will be able to keep playing this up as a great victory, this killing of a guy most Americans, the ones between the MAGAts and the political junkies, never heard of before yesterday , if the result is more violence over there, that faraway place where trump said he was gonna get us out of, and is this really different than it was before?

  4. 4.

    Baud

    January 3, 2020 at 9:59 pm

    They were the Blue Team (the good guys). The opposing force, or Red Team (the bad guys), were a group of white hat hackers.

    Appropriate colors.

  5. 5.

    lumpkin

    January 3, 2020 at 10:00 pm

    Just some low tech mischief like IEDs, poison, random shootings, etc at trump properties around the world seems like one of the easiest and most effective ways to provoke trump into going even more nuts. Maybe Iran wouldn’t do it because it’s one of the likely ways to get a nuke in response but there are plenty of other people out there that would love to see trump go berserk on Iran.

  6. 6.

    NotMax

    January 3, 2020 at 10:01 pm

    Infiltrating to disrupt Twitter, rendering it an inert service has certain upsides.

    Just sayin’.

  7. 7.

    scottinnj

    January 3, 2020 at 10:02 pm

    Iran will release the pee tape.

  8. 8.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 3, 2020 at 10:05 pm

    also, that debunked story about Eric Trump knowing before the Gang of Eight knew, maybe not so debunked:

    According to three people who’ve been at the president’s Palm Beach club over the past several days, Trump began telling friends and allies hanging at his perennial vacation getaway that he was working on a “big” response to the Iranian regime that they would be hearing or reading about very “soon.” His comments went beyond the New Year’s Eve tweet he sent out warning of the “big price” Iran would pay for damage to U.S. facilities. Two of these sources tell The Daily Beast that the president specifically mentioned he’d been in close contact with his top national-security and military advisers on gaming out options for an aggressive action that could quickly materialize.
    “He kept saying, ‘You’ll see,’” one of the sources recalled, describing a conversation with Trump days before Thursday’s strike.
    Trump’s gossipy whispers regarding a “big” response in Iraq foreshadowed what was to come.

    “days before”– didn’t Lindsey say trump told him on Monday?

  9. 9.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 3, 2020 at 10:06 pm

    @lumpkin: let’s hope they stop with bedbugs and mice released in the kitchens

  10. 10.

    Immanentize

    January 3, 2020 at 10:07 pm

    Who in the US government is most like Suleimani?  Both strategic/tactical ‘leader’ in the Middle East and also iconically related to the current administration?

  11. 11.

    Mandalay

    January 3, 2020 at 10:08 pm

    @Adam Silverman:

    Not entirely O/T, I see that Mike Pence tweeted this earlier today about Soleimani:

    Assisted in the clandestine travel to Afghanistan of 10 of the 12 terrorists who carried out the September 11 terrorist attacks in the United States.

    Is that true? Is it even plausible?

  12. 12.

    Bill Arnold

    January 3, 2020 at 10:09 pm

    @lumpkin:

    Just some low tech mischief like IEDs, poison, random shootings, etc at trump properties around the world seems like one of the easiest and most effective ways to provoke trump into going even more nuts.

    They don’t even have to do it; they could just talk about plans in an apparent comsec lapse, or similar leak. If it were public, it would do permanent damage to Trump-labeled Trump properties.

  13. 13.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 3, 2020 at 10:09 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: The bill won’t go anywhere. Even if it passes the House, it won’t pass the Senate. The whole reason that Khanna’s legislative language was removed from the NDAA was because the NDAA couldn’t pass the Senate with it in it. So it was either remove it or let the military run out of money. And no one is so politically stupid as to let that happen.

  14. 14.

    ThresherK

    January 3, 2020 at 10:09 pm

    Now imagine what happens when the Iranians start doing the things…in red states that have no where near the state and local capabilities to respond.

    I want Nancy Smash to tell that red-state governor “Well, well. Look who’s come crawling back,” when they come to the House for aid bills.

    I’d like to say I’m exaggerating, but I’m tired of helping these assholes without so much as a nod.

  15. 15.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 3, 2020 at 10:12 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    he bill won’t go anywhere.

    Legislatively? Of course not. But will “Establishment Dems wouldn’t even vote to defund war with Iran!” become a new hobbyhorse for Rose Twitter? Not impossible.

  16. 16.

    trollhattan

    January 3, 2020 at 10:18 pm

    Can we build a wall around Iran and get Saudi Arabia to pay for it?

  17. 17.

    Jeffro

    January 3, 2020 at 10:18 pm

    1. I hope the 2011 video of trumpov trying to accuse (a ‘weak’, ‘bad negotiator’) Obama of ginning up an Iran strike in order to win re-election plays non-stop from now through November
    2. Less than 48 hours from now, trumpov himself will tweet that you “can’t impeach a president during a time of war like this”
    3. Seeing Ari Fleischer and Karl Rove on Faux News reprising their murderous schtick made me want to reach for a bat…any bat…but most especially a nice unbreakable aluminum one coated with the spirits of 100K+ dead Iraqis.
  18. 18.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 3, 2020 at 10:19 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: They also briefed the Israelis ahead of time according to Noga Tarnopolsky’s reporting in The LA Times. The only people who were actually required to be briefed by US law and still haven’t been are the Gang of 8 in Congress.

  19. 19.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 3, 2020 at 10:20 pm

    @Immanentize: No one. We’re not structured that way. The Iranian government, specifically the real government that runs opaquely behind the scenes, as opposed to the parliamentary democracy facade, isn’t really comparable to any other government. And the role of the IRGC and especially the Quds Force within the actual government is unique.

  20. 20.

    khead

    January 3, 2020 at 10:21 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I wonder to what extent they will be able to keep playing this up as a great victory,

    Forever.  That’s how long.  Because Obama’s response was to let folks die in Benghazi and then give away pallets of cash to Iran.  I wish I were kidding.

  21. 21.

    Jeffro

    January 3, 2020 at 10:21 pm

    @Immanentize: Iran doesn’t have to ‘hit’ our equivalent official…they can, and likely will, hit us by multiple below-the-radar means and a couple that are slightly above-the-radar, just so that we (and the world) know that they got their paybacks.

    It’s almost like we’re the only ones who can’t play this game.  China, Iran, Russia…we’re just temperamentally unsuited (at least, at the present time) to move subtly and thoughtfully.  Like, in anything.

  22. 22.

    danielx

    January 3, 2020 at 10:21 pm

    I would like to think Iranian efforts would be directed towards embarrassing Trump, but…the US has been responsible for so many civilian deaths for so long. Not many people outside our borders will shed tears for asymmetric attacks that cause death and chaos here.

  23. 23.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 3, 2020 at 10:22 pm

    @Mandalay: No. The 9-11 report debunked it. Also, there were 19 attackers on 9-11 and 15 of them were from Saudi Arabia.

    Less than kernel, barely even a crumb. From the 911 report: pic.twitter.com/9kw5Y48iwG

    — Morbius (aka Mitch Gore) (@Mitch71630019) January 3, 2020

  24. 24.

    ruemara

    January 3, 2020 at 10:22 pm

    I felt any reprisals will take the normal form, terrorism. Why run the risks of an all out real war? Just use the already established terror networks by spreading some cash around. We already know our ass is hanging out both in security for buildings, airports, as well as digitally and for sensitive areas like watersheds. We elected a walking, talking ode to incompetence. And we got the government we deserve.

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Oh, they were doing that within the first 2 hours of the murder.

  25. 25.

    Jeffro

    January 3, 2020 at 10:24 pm

    @khead: It’s almost funny…I had a couple of high school FB friends come out of the woodwork at long last about the ‘pallets of cash’ BS in the past 24 hours.

    ‘Couple’ as in ‘two’.  But still.  It’s disheartening.

    Dems, get your shit together and call a prime-time news conference every night if you need to.  Call for a general strike.  But let’s not keep fighting this disinformation war with one hand tied behind our smartphones and cable news remote controls.

  26. 26.

    Bill Arnold

    January 3, 2020 at 10:24 pm

    I do hope that the Iranians go for unconventional and embarrassing, their choice of overt or covert but probabilistically attributable.

    Trump’s weaknesses include (a) assertions/evidence that his net worth is low or negative (b) humiliation (c) dementia/his intelligence (father-related)

    also, since he’s big on projection, perhaps (d) being revealed as a puppet if he is one (e) fear of going to jail (f) fear of being executed/assassinated.

  27. 27.

    Amir Khalid

    January 3, 2020 at 10:27 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    I have no logical basis for it, though, so there’s a good chance I’m wrong and that’s my basis for this prediction.

    I reckon this makes rather more sense, given what passes for the Trump administration’s foreign policy.

  28. 28.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 3, 2020 at 10:27 pm

    @ThresherK:

    but I’m tired of helping these assholes without so much as a nod. 

    A nod?  Haha.  The “Fuck you, libtard!” from the Trump trash red states isn’t enough for you?

  29. 29.

    Mnemosyne

    January 3, 2020 at 10:29 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    But will “Establishment Dems wouldn’t even vote to defund war with Iran!” become a new hobbyhorse for Rose Twitter?

    Do you really have any doubt? They’re already whining that what Trump did is NBD compared to The Monster Called Obama. ?

  30. 30.

    NotMax

    January 3, 2020 at 10:29 pm

    Read that up to an additional 3500 U.S. military (thus far) now being sent to to be stationed in Kuwait.

    The Kuwaitis must be thrilled about that. Not.

  31. 31.

    Amir Khalid

    January 3, 2020 at 10:30 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    It was reported at the time, as I recall, that there 19 because No. 20 (there were four five-man teams) was prevented from boarding his plane.

  32. 32.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 3, 2020 at 10:31 pm

    @trollhattan: Why isn’t Mexico paying for it?  Oh right, because they’re covering the tab for MedicareForAll and Dump’s stupid, racist, climbable wall.

  33. 33.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 3, 2020 at 10:32 pm

    @Jeffro: Shut up libtard!  George W Bush Trump is a wartime preznint!  Why do you hate the troops?

  34. 34.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 3, 2020 at 10:33 pm

    @NotMax: The 1st BCT/82nd ABN was mobilized and deployed forward. They’ll stage out of Kuwait. And from what I know of the Kuwaitis, they’ll be fine with it.

  35. 35.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 3, 2020 at 10:33 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Correct.

  36. 36.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 3, 2020 at 10:33 pm

    @khead: on MAGAt twitter and FoxNews, sure. But your average lumpenmittel voter, the ones who will decide the election, have already forgotten who Baghdadi was after that twenty minutes when they knew, and if Iran’s response isn’t immediate and bloody (with American blood), I don’t think those voters will connect an increase in violence with anything trump did.

    I don’t like to be ghoulish and callous about human lives, but trump et al are going to do their damndest to portray this as a “tough” move that saved American lives. Just speculating about whether the effort to get normal people to rally round the flag will work. This may suggest people aren’t quite there:

    Jake Tapper‏Verified account @jaketapper

    Selective Service System website crashes amid questions and fears of another US military draft

  37. 37.

    dr. bloor

    January 3, 2020 at 10:37 pm

    Open thread!

    I do so look forward to Adam’s cheery “Open thread!” to close of his patented If-You-Think-Mad-Max-Was-Fucked-Take-A-Look-At-Your-Immediate-Future posts.

  38. 38.

    Jeffro

    January 3, 2020 at 10:38 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: 48 hours and counting down…you know he won’t be able to help himself.

    “IMZ WARTIME PREZNIT!!  NO IMPEACHY!!1!”

    (or furiously retweeting the equivalent)

    (or both)

    Dems, seriously, just put up, 24-7, that video of him claiming Obama will strike Iran to save his re-election chances.  Stand up.

  39. 39.

    Gin & Tonic

    January 3, 2020 at 10:39 pm

    @Jeffro: Not just “the present time.” The US has been stepping on its dick with respect to Iran more or less forever.

  40. 40.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 3, 2020 at 10:41 pm

    @dr. bloor: I’m here to bring sunshine to your lives.

  41. 41.

    Gravenstone

    January 3, 2020 at 10:41 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I’m actually quite pleased the Selective Service site blew up. It may show a significant cohort of (likely younger) people aren’t exactly on board with getting themselves tossed into a meat grinder for the self aggrandizement of Trump.

  42. 42.

    Brachiator

    January 3, 2020 at 10:42 pm

    They hacked everything else. And, as a result, within the simulated world of the exercise they created so much chaos that martial law was declared by the person on the Blue Team playing the president in the exercise and the 2020 election, within that notional world, was cancelled.

    Trump would love this.

  43. 43.

    ruemara

    January 3, 2020 at 10:43 pm

    @Jeffro: Ok, for all you people who demand press conferences to explain shit to our dumb populace – you can call all the press conferences you want, this does not mean the media will cover it. There have been many, many press conferences you have not heard of because no one was there, or the footage was not broadcast on the local news much less the national. This is not how the media works. No, they cannot just show up at a news chat show, the bookings are the purview of the producer. Yes, that’s terrible. I agree, they need to be heard. If only lefty tv wasn’t dedicated to hating the Democratic party, so oh well.

  44. 44.

    NotMax

    January 3, 2020 at 10:43 pm

    @Adam L. Silverman

    Will take your word for it, but for a country and governing dynasty so recently overrun by invasion from a neighboring state (a state with much closer association with Iran now than then), having a big(ger) target painted (okay, repainted) on their soil seems short-sighted in extremis.

  45. 45.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    January 3, 2020 at 10:44 pm

    @Baud: As a Democrat and a Bruin, I agree.

    (For jl: DING, DING, DING!)

  46. 46.

    Butter Emails

    January 3, 2020 at 10:44 pm

    Adam, Iran’s issued rhetoric painting the US as a rogue state, but do you think they actually realize that the statement is actually true and not just a piece of propaganda?  And if so, do you think it will impact their reaction to this?

    One of the particularly irritating and galling things about the Trump era is all the institutions, groups, nations, people, etc. that seem to think that everything is just some slight variation on the traditional model. That things still fall within or will soon return to the old, familiar paradigm and act accordingly. I worry that Iran will respond to the attack as if the US still felt itself constrained by international law and norms as opposed to the new reality where an overt attack against a high ranking Iranian official in response to actions by an Iranian proxy is now a a favored option.

  47. 47.

    NotMax

    January 3, 2020 at 10:46 pm

    @Adam L. Silverman

    I’m here to bring sunshine to your lives.

    Alexa, order the SPF 500 lotion.

    ;)

  48. 48.

    khead

    January 3, 2020 at 10:47 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    The average voters, the ones you think decide the election, are currently being buried in bullshit on social media from the GOP flying monkey brigade.  That brigade is currently out in full force and swamping all social media – not just MAGA Twitter and Fox – with the “Trump already did more than Obama” bullshit.  See, you start with what Jeffro and I have noticed – Benghazi, pallets, etc. – and then you build on that narrative.  I’ve been watching it all day long.

  49. 49.

    Kamala.Harris.2020

    January 3, 2020 at 10:50 pm

    Re Cole’s scenario:

    Middle America might not be the best place, as shown by the fact that armed civilians were pretty quick to kill/disable shooters in the two recent Texas church shootings.

    But Chicago, Seattle, San Francisco would be like shooting fish in a barrel.

    (The fact that something like this has not already happened is, in my mind, pretty strong evidence that the overall terrorism threat facing the US has been very, very low.  It would be, a piece of cake to kill hundreds at a shopping mall, concert, football game, etc.  Of course, that could change now …)

  50. 50.

    Jeffro

    January 3, 2020 at 10:52 pm

    @ruemara: Trying to think of the last time that national Dems called a prime-time press conference to call the president* a Russian tool, a wag-the-dog troop-betraying desperado, money-laundering scam artist, etc.

    not quite remembering those incidents.  Lemme know.

    Take a stand.  Over half the country is with you, with us, Dems.  We’re already at majority “impeach and remove” and that was before US troops were overtly in danger, before Jared and Gaetz and the patrons of Mar-a-Lago were informed of this strike before Congress, or even the blessed ‘group of 8’.

  51. 51.

    debbie

    January 3, 2020 at 10:52 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Add it to the Articles.

  52. 52.

    Bill Arnold

    January 3, 2020 at 10:54 pm

    Open thread, so this is positive:
    Experiments show altruistic behaviors reduce pain (January 3, 2020, Bob Yirka)

    In their final experiment, the researchers asked volunteers to donate money to help orphans; those subjects were also asked how much they thought their donation helped the kids. Each of the volunteers then underwent an MRI scan while experiencing electrical shocks. The researchers report that those who had donated showed less brain response to the shock then did those who refused to donate. They also found that the more a volunteer felt their donation had helped the orphans, the less their brain responded to the shock.

    Paper itself is paywalled except for the abstract;

    Engaging in altruistic behaviors is costly, but it contributes to the health and well-being of the performer of such behaviors. The present research offers a take on how this paradox can be understood. Across 2 pilot studies and 3 experiments, we showed a pain-relieving effect of performing altruistic behaviors. …

    (Still not clear how it evolved.)

  53. 53.

    debbie

    January 3, 2020 at 10:55 pm

    @Bill Arnold:

    Fix it so his pants fall down during his next copter chat.

  54. 54.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 3, 2020 at 10:55 pm

    @khead: I’ll worry when polls show my lumpenmittel voters think trump is a hero for killing that guy

  55. 55.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 3, 2020 at 10:56 pm

    @Butter Emails: I do not know.

  56. 56.

    Matt McIrvin

    January 3, 2020 at 10:57 pm

    @Mnemosyne: I was just reading yet another disquisition there on how Trump’s war proves Obama was the real villain, because electing him killed the antiwar movement.

    I guess we need Republicans in power so that Democrats will be antiwar–I think that was Matt Stoller’s liberal case for Mitt Romney, actually.

  57. 57.

    ruemara

    January 3, 2020 at 10:58 pm

    @Jeffro: I hope 1 of your majority owns a tv station then, because it matters not one speck when it comes to coverage. They have taken a stand. The fact that it’s not the stand you think it is, that’s not their fault. And removal requires the Senate, so next time there’s an opportunity, grab a bunch of your like minded friends and vote against republicans. In fact, if you’re so inclined, more time yelling at republicans and trying to impeach and remove them from their seats would do more than a Democratic party member press conference.

     

    @Bill Arnold: Explains why I give a lot. Or used to.

     

    @Matt McIrvin:  These are the dumbest “progressives” ever.

  58. 58.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 3, 2020 at 10:59 pm

    @Kamala.Harris.2020: The most recent Texas church shooter shot two of the church’s security team before a third, a retired FBI agent, was able to get a head shot on target. I’m sure he’s a good shot, but that is hard to do in those circumstances. And he made it clear he took that shot only because he didn’t have any other – like a center mass shot, which is higher probability shot – because congregants were in the way.

  59. 59.

    Bill Arnold

    January 3, 2020 at 10:59 pm

    @debbie:

    Fix it so his pants fall down during his next copter chat.

    That’s an oddly specific wish. :-)

  60. 60.

    FlipYrWhig

    January 3, 2020 at 11:00 pm

    @khead:

    That brigade is currently out in full force and swamping all social media – not just MAGA Twitter and Fox – with the “Trump already did more than Obama” bullshit.

    Say, what ever happened to Osama bin Laden, anyway?  :/

  61. 61.

    Mike J

    January 3, 2020 at 11:00 pm

  62. 62.

    debbie

    January 3, 2020 at 11:01 pm

    @Bill Arnold:

    It’s something that would really embarrass him.

  63. 63.

    Butter Emails

    January 3, 2020 at 11:01 pm

    @Kamala.Harris.2020:

    Middle America might not be the best place, as shown by the fact that armed civilians were pretty quick to kill/disable shooters in the two recent Texas church shootings.

    The guy in the church shooting was actually taken down by church security. They actually pegged him as someone suspicious when he walked across the entire parking lot and one of the security guys was standing directly behind him when he opened fire. Despite this, the gunman still managed to kill two people in 6 seconds with a shotgun before being killed himself.

  64. 64.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 3, 2020 at 11:01 pm

    @Bill Arnold: How about they call him what he is – a mob-money-laundering, broke-ass, Soviet shitpile conman who’s been sucking the Kremlin’s ass since at least ’87?

  65. 65.

    NotMax

    January 3, 2020 at 11:02 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Triggered a dusty brain cell to fire up as a reminder about, of all things, an obscure Monkees song.

  66. 66.

    Mnemosyne

    January 3, 2020 at 11:02 pm

    @Kamala.Harris.2020:

    But Chicago, Seattle, San Francisco would be like shooting fish in a barrel.

    Oh, honey. You really, REALLY need to get out more. ?

  67. 67.

    Jeffro

    January 3, 2020 at 11:03 pm

    @ruemara: Not really understanding here but ok.  I think the Dems need to get louder, more frequently, on more ‘channels’ than they have been.  They can’t assume that the facts/narrative will carry the day…even though both the facts and the law are on their side, they need to ‘pound the table’ (in the media, in media of all kinds) as well.

    We’re already in an ok place.  A 51-55% majority wants trumpov impeached and removed, and this dumb move in Iraq won’t diminish that.  But they really do need to ramp up, and they need to mobilize the country (the majority that wants to see sanity restored, anyway)

  68. 68.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    January 3, 2020 at 11:03 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: That’s why we call you Dr. Sunshine.

  69. 69.

    Mnemosyne

    January 3, 2020 at 11:04 pm

    @Jeffro:

    So you missed Nancy Pelosi’s press conferences? You ARE aware that Trump has already been impeached, right?

  70. 70.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 3, 2020 at 11:05 pm

    @Kamala.Harris.2020: There are plenty of people in Chicago, Seattle, and San Francisco who are armed and capable. Just like in tiny little towns outside of Ft. Worth.

  71. 71.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 3, 2020 at 11:06 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    They’re already whining that what Trump did is NBD compared to The Monster Called Obama. ? 

    Oh for the sake that belongs to fucks!

    Said before, and I’ll say it again – I’m fucking tired of fighting the Nazi trash aka GOP and the leftist purity fucks who want to burn it all down because they didn’t get a g’damn unicorn for their birthday!

  72. 72.

    Butter Emails

    January 3, 2020 at 11:08 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

     

    Whether they’re armed or not isn’t necessarily even relevant. Mass shootings have also been stopped by quick thinking and acting people who are not armed.

  73. 73.

    Mnemosyne

    January 3, 2020 at 11:08 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Sorry, I’m still laughing that Chicago, which lives in racist memory as a city where you can’t turn a corner without being shot, is now being touted as a soft target. ?

    Well, no one ever claimed that they were consistent. I also love how Chicago has been magically transported out of the Midwest.

  74. 74.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 3, 2020 at 11:09 pm

    @NotMax: listening to that, and I did listen to some of it, I thought of the movie (that I’ve never gotten around to seeing) “What if they gave a war and nobody came?”, which I always thought Mike Nesmith had something to do with, writing or producing. And imdb says he did not. I must have heard that song at some (forgotten) point and conflated the two.

  75. 75.

    Viva BrisVegas

    January 3, 2020 at 11:09 pm

    Can’t the Iranians get Trump’s tax returns from Putin? Or does Putin still see Trump as too a valuable an asset to burn?

    Because if anybody knows where every single one of Trump’s dollars came from, it’s Vladimir Vladimirovich.

  76. 76.

    khead

    January 3, 2020 at 11:10 pm

    @FlipYrWhig:

    Who?  Pretty sure if Jim is correct those lumpenmittel voters have long forgotten him.  //

  77. 77.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 3, 2020 at 11:11 pm

    @Jeffro:

    NO IMPEACHY!!1! 

    I just made a noise half laugh-half groan.  You caused it, so you get to name it.

  78. 78.

    Kamala.Harris.2020

    January 3, 2020 at 11:13 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    That’s correct.

  79. 79.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 3, 2020 at 11:14 pm

    @FlipYrWhig: He’s enjoying the sun, surf, and sand with Whitman, Price, and Haddad!

  80. 80.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 3, 2020 at 11:15 pm

    @Kamala.Harris.2020:

    But Chicago, Seattle, San Francisco would be like shooting fish in a barrel 

    Go. Fuck. Yourself.

  81. 81.

    khead

    January 3, 2020 at 11:16 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    No.  Last season’s losers

    Edit – Heh.  Might should’ve looked at the second video before posting.

  82. 82.

    Kamala.Harris.2020

    January 3, 2020 at 11:16 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Legal concealed carry rates are considerably lower in Seattle, San Francisco, Chicago, etc.

  83. 83.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 3, 2020 at 11:16 pm

    @Mnemosyne: I have walked all over Chicago at night, several times, several years at a row (I used to go to an annual professional conference held at the Palmer House) and not only have I never once been shot, I’ve never even once been accosted. The closest was some drunk homeless guy who wanted money.

  84. 84.

    Kamala.Harris.2020

    January 3, 2020 at 11:18 pm

    @mrmoshpotato:

     

    Iran doesn’t even need grand gestures or major coordinated plots. Just a couple dozen guys with Chevy Caprices and rifles you can get at Walmart and they could shut this shit down for months and if they were smart, they would ignore the big cities, who have the law enforcement to handle the chaos. Attack middle america where all the people are scared shitless already

  85. 85.

    Matt McIrvin

    January 3, 2020 at 11:20 pm

    @Brachiator: Who needs the Iranians, right? Can’t the Trump administration just play both the Blue Team and the Red Team? (Or is there too much Deep State out there for that?)

  86. 86.

    Kamala.Harris.2020

    January 3, 2020 at 11:21 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Yeah, I lived in Chicago for 8  years and somehow managed not to get shot.

    Some people just love to talk up the dangers of Chicago because it allows them to cloak their racism in “concern” about crime.

  87. 87.

    Raven Onthill

    January 3, 2020 at 11:21 pm

    Two related thoughts:

    1. Are we to conclude that Trump took out a hit on someone who dissed him?
    2. My spouse wonders why no-one in the chain of command objected to the kill order as illegal. Or, perhaps, are we looking at something like Nixon, Haig, and Kissinger’s Operation Menu, where the normal chain of command was bypassed.

    And here we have Cohen the Barbarian on kings:

    “Look at history. Whenever you come across a king where everyone says, ‘Oo, he was a good king all right,’ you can bet your sandals he was a great big bearded bastard who broke heads a lot and laughed about it.

    ”But some king who just passed decent little laws and read book and tried to look intelligent…‘Oh,’ they say, ‘oh, he was all right, a bit wet, not what I’d call a proper king.’ That’s people for you.” – Terry Pratchett, Interesting Times

    This could explain a lot.

  88. 88.

    jc

    January 3, 2020 at 11:22 pm

    Regardless of what Iran does, I think Trump is so desperate to win in November, he and his minions will stop at nothing. I won’t be surprised if Putin’s team hacks our election system with the Trump team’s help. I won’t be surprised if the election is deeply flawed and the results are highly suspicious. Trump doesn’t care if he wins dirty, as long as he wins.

  89. 89.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 3, 2020 at 11:22 pm

    @Mnemosyne: I guess we’re North Korea in the Axis of Booga, Booga, Booga.

  90. 90.

    Mnemosyne

    January 3, 2020 at 11:22 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I myself have never had an issue in Chicago, and I used to wander around the city with my friends in the (alleged) bad old days of the 1980s.

    I still find the idea that the city would be a sitting duck for a shooting attack by Iran with no way to respond to be ridiculous to the point of hilarity.

  91. 91.

    Butter Emails

    January 3, 2020 at 11:23 pm

    Maybe they can take over a wildlife refuge.

  92. 92.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 3, 2020 at 11:23 pm

    WASHINGTON — When President Trump’s national security team came to his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida on Monday, they weren’t expecting him to approve an operation to kill Gen. Qassem Suleimani.

    Secretary of State Michael R. Pompeo, Defense Secretary Mark Esper and Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, had gone to Palm Beach to brief Trump on airstrikes the Pentagon had just carried out in Iraq and Syria against Iranian-sponsored Shiite militia groups.

    One briefing slide shown to Trump listed several follow-up steps the U.S. could take, among them targeting Suleimani, the head of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps’ elite Quds Force, according to a senior U.S. official familiar with the discussions who was not authorized to talk about the meeting on the record.

    Unexpectedly, Trump chose that option, the official said, adding that the president’s decision was spurred on in part by Iran hawks among his advisors.

  93. 93.

    Mnemosyne

    January 3, 2020 at 11:24 pm

    @Kamala.Harris.2020:

    Dude or dudette. Do you have multiple personalities? Because you are directly contradicting yourself in each post you make. What the fuck?

  94. 94.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 3, 2020 at 11:26 pm

    @jc:

    Trump doesn’t care if he wins dirty, as long as he wins. 

    2016 says hi. :)

  95. 95.

    Mnemosyne

    January 3, 2020 at 11:26 pm

    @jc:

    He proved in 2016 that the MSM doesn’t give a shit if Republicans cheat to win and will even give them cover to do it.

    So, yeah, massive cheating on a scale never before seen is to be expected.

  96. 96.

    Mainmata

    January 3, 2020 at 11:27 pm

    @Immanentize: Jared, of curse./s

  97. 97.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 3, 2020 at 11:27 pm

    @Mnemosyne: I wonder if one of their personalities is fucking itself right now.

  98. 98.

    Kent

    January 3, 2020 at 11:30 pm

    Why waste time hacking power plants and banks and such.  If they REALLY want to get under Trump’s skin they should hack the IRS and steal the last 20 years of tax returns for Trump and all of his spawn.

    Then just dribble them out, one return at a time every Monday morning during the months of September and October.

  99. 99.

    Mnemosyne

    January 3, 2020 at 11:32 pm

    @mrmoshpotato:

    I bet someone in Moscow screwed up the schedule and accidentally assigned two different trolls to the same nym at the same time. Probably Dimytry — he’s always fucking up like that.

  100. 100.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 3, 2020 at 11:32 pm

    @Kent: And of course highlight the parts that show Dump is the Kremlin’s bitch.

  101. 101.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 3, 2020 at 11:33 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Sad, broskovich!  Sad!

  102. 102.

    AxelFoley

    January 3, 2020 at 11:34 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Legislatively? Of course not. But will “Establishment Dems wouldn’t even vote to defund war with Iran!” become a new hobbyhorse for Rose Twitter? Not impossible.

    Already happening:

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/1/3/1909204/-Bernie-Sanders-Being-Right-on-Foreign-Policy-Again-Iran-Anti-War-Edition?utm_campaign=trending

  103. 103.

    Kent

    January 3, 2020 at 11:34 pm

    @Immanentize:

    No one.   He would be more equivalent to Eisenhower or MacArthur during WW2.   A famous general who’s considered presidential material.

  104. 104.

    Matt McIrvin

    January 3, 2020 at 11:37 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: That’s a question that’s been floating around in my head as I read people said to be experts on twitter: Will the Iranians want to hit back at the US, or trump, and do they make that distinction?

    I’ve been wondering about that too. If Iran wants to embarrass Trump, they shouldn’t escalate in a way that hands Trump a terrorist crisis to exploit, 9/11-style. But if they want to damage the United States, that’s exactly what they should do–with the goal of reelecting Trump and handing him as much power and public support as possible. Trump can do more damage to the American empire than any bomb.

    Of course, this would likely also involve great damage to Iran, but maybe the domestic politics of that would redound to somebody’s advantage as well.

  105. 105.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 3, 2020 at 11:38 pm

    @Kamala.Harris.2020: I love Chicago.

  106. 106.

    Aleta

    January 3, 2020 at 11:39 pm

    A US president has announced he has no problem ordering murder of a foreign official in public, no matter the resulting risk and danger to US citizens and to other civilians. By drone on foreign soil.  And the GOP is trying to make this seem normal.  

  107. 107.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 3, 2020 at 11:40 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: This is why you NEVER INCLUDE THE MOST DEADLY COURSE OF ACTION OPTION with the most potential negative effects on the decision point slide.

  108. 108.

    Mike in NC

    January 3, 2020 at 11:44 pm

    The Iranians have been laughing in our stupid faces for decades. I was deployed to the Persian Gulf for six months in 1984 and my DDG was overflown by their P-3s almost every single day, but we had to read them some lame warnings per the ROE that must have been written by idiots that make Jared Kushner look like Patton.

  109. 109.

    NotMax

    January 3, 2020 at 11:46 pm

    @Adam L. Silverman

    “It’s presented as a last resort, Sir.’

    “Resort? Just look around – no one knows more about resorts than me! Do it!”

    //

  110. 110.

    Kamala.Harris.2020

    January 3, 2020 at 11:48 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Here is what Cole’s tweet said in part:

    Iran doesn’t even need grand gestures or major coordinated plots. Just a couple dozen guys with Chevy Caprices and rifles you can get at Walmart and they could shut this shit down for months and if they were smart, they would ignore the big cities, who have the law enforcement to handle the chaos. Attack middle america where all the people are scared shitless already

    I responded

    Middle America might not be the best place, as shown by the fact that armed civilians were pretty quick to kill/disable shooters in the two recent Texas church shootings.

    But Chicago, Seattle, San Francisco would be like shooting fish in a barrel.

    (The fact that something like this has not already happened is, in my mind, pretty strong evidence that the overall terrorism threat facing the US has been very, very low.  It would be, a piece of cake to kill hundreds at a shopping mall, concert, football game, etc.  Of course, that could change now …)

    You posted:

    Well, no one ever claimed that they were consistent. I also love how Chicago has been magically transported out of the Midwest.

    …

    Dude or dudette. Do you have multiple personalities? Because you are directly contradicting yourself in each post you make. What the fuck?

    Have another glass of pinot.

  111. 111.

    Kamala.Harris.2020

    January 3, 2020 at 11:49 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Yeah, it’s okay but it’s no Ft. Meyers.

  112. 112.

    Kent

    January 3, 2020 at 11:49 pm

    The Iranians are not stupid.  And they most certainly have entire office buildings full of bright people who’s sole job is to game out unconventional warfare strategies against the US and their other enemies in the gulf region, namely Saudi Arabia and it’s allies.

    They aren’t foolish enough to send agents on suicide missions to the US.  Nothing would really be gained by that.  I think they are much more likely to escalate actions to undermine US influence and allies in the region.  Like use their militias to bring out a shitload of grief to whatever US business interests remain in Iraq.  Exxon has operations in Iraq, for example.  They could go after them and leave the Russian and Chinese oil interests alone.   And ramp up whatever mischief they have already planned in the gulf states.

  113. 113.

    Kent

    January 3, 2020 at 11:57 pm

    @Margaret Imber:They should go to the UN and The Hague and charge him with war crimes.

    I doubt the Iranians want to go anywhere near the Hague.  They have plenty of blood and war crimes on their own hands.  For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMIA_bombing

  114. 114.

    Omnes Omnibus

    January 3, 2020 at 11:59 pm

    @Kamala.Harris.2020:  Jebus. Please tell me you are some kind of parody troll. Please.

  115. 115.

    mad citizen

    January 4, 2020 at 12:01 am

    Seems like DIME-FIL should become DIME-FILC to add cyber.  Or is cyber considered part of Military?  Cyber of course being the Fifth Domain.

     

    When I muse through the DIME-FIL areas, I’m just not that worried about Iran being able to do anything to us.  And the article linked on cyber notes at the top that “It is still not in the top rank of cyber powers”

  116. 116.

    Mnemosyne

    January 4, 2020 at 12:02 am

    @Kamala.Harris.2020:

    Chicago.
    Is.
    In.
    Middle.
    America.

    That’s what “the Midwest” means in American English.

    Tell your boss in Moscow to get you a better map, or at least a better Russian-to-English phrasebook.

  117. 117.

    Lyrebird

    January 4, 2020 at 12:02 am

    @Aleta: Yeah.

     

    I am needing some Reba McIntyre (sp?) right now.  Not because I think thoughts ‘n prayers are sufficient, but because sometimes a gal needs some inspiration to keep going in the face of all this.

    Best wishes to your pets and to all BJ folk.

  118. 118.

    Mnemosyne

    January 4, 2020 at 12:04 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I’m telling ya. Russian troll who doesn’t get that “Middle America” and “the Midwest” are synonyms.

  119. 119.

    Kamala.Harris.2020

    January 4, 2020 at 12:11 am

    @Mnemosyne:

    Chicago.
    Is.
    In.
    Middle.
    America

     

    Iran doesn’t even need grand gestures or major coordinated plots. Just a couple dozen guys with Chevy Caprices and rifles you can get at Walmart and they could shut this shit down for months and if they were smart, they would ignore the big cities, who have the law enforcement to handle the chaos. Attack middle america where all the people are scared shitless already.

  120. 120.

    Bill Arnold

    January 4, 2020 at 12:15 am

    @jc:

    Regardless of what Iran does, I think Trump is so desperate to win in November, he and his minions will stop at nothing. I won’t be surprised if Putin’s team hacks our election system with the Trump team’s help.

    It’s not hopeless; there are tools out there and enough monitoring that culprits wouldn’t have confidence that they would not be caught.
    States Can Get an Election Security Assist from Albert Sensors – The widespread implementation of this network security tool is helping protect future elections. (Alexander Slagg, 2019/11)
    The Elections Infrastructure Information Sharing and Analysis Center
    The ALBERT sensors only forward information on events that they detect; personally, I’d log as much network traffic as possible for election week, and there are certainly such sensors in place; it’s a big country. (Heck, I log all network traffic (not full content) on my home network (4 people + 25 devices ATM) and the logs take like 2+ months to roll over; trivial to do with a Linux box.)

  121. 121.

    Another Scott

    January 4, 2020 at 12:16 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    NyMag – According to the 9/11 Commission Report, as many as 10 men were recruited to be the 20th hijacker.

    In August 2001, a little more than a month before the attacks, a Saudi man in his early twenties named Mohammed Mani Ahmed al-Qahtani flew from Dubai via London to Orlando. According to Mustafa al-Hawsawi, one of the 9/11 financiers, Qahtani was “the last one” to “complete the group,” and Mohamed Atta himself had driven to the Orlando airport to meet him. But when Qahtani—who traveled on a one-way ticket and carried only $2,800—tried to go through Customs, a border official suspected he might try to immigrate illegally and sent him back to Dubai.

    HTH.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  122. 122.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 4, 2020 at 12:17 am

    was there a threat of “imminent attacks”? or was the ghost of Fred Trump calling his boy a pu$$y as he lay awake at night?

    Officials reminded Trump that after the Iranians mined ships, downed the U.S. drone and allegedly attacked a Saudi oil facility, he hadn’t responded. Acting now, they said, would send a message: “The argument is, if you don’t ever respond to them, they think they can get by with anything,” one White House official said.Trump was also motivated to act by what he felt was negative coverage after his 2019 decision to call off the airstrike after Iran downed the U.S. surveillance drone, officials said. Trump was also frustrated that the details of his internal deliberations had leaked out and felt he looked weak, the officials said.
    Trump also had history on his mind. The president has long fixated on Benghazi and the Obama administration’s response to it, say lawmakers and aides who have spoken to him, and felt the response to this week’s attack on the embassy and the killing of an American contractor would make him look stronger compared with his predecessor.

  123. 123.

    Aleta

    January 4, 2020 at 12:20 am

    @Lyrebird: Thanks for the pet wishes.  (Don’t know how you divined that, but timely.)

    Hand On the Plow  Fast Rattler (w/Bodhi Busick)  

  124. 124.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 4, 2020 at 12:20 am

    Graham was at Mar-a-Lago on Monday and said the president told him he was concerned they “were going to hit us again” and that he was considering hitting the Iranians.
    No specific plan was ready to kill him, but it was on Trump’s mind, Graham said.
    “He was more thinking out loud, but he was determined to do something to protect Americans. Killing the contractor really changed the equation,” Graham said.

    Concerned, considering, thinking out loud… none of this, more or less sourced to Lindsey Graham, sounds like “imminent threat”

  125. 125.

    Aleta

    January 4, 2020 at 12:21 am

    @Aleta:

    Hand on the Plow:  a traditional song made famous by Mahalia Jackson that was sung during the days of slavery. Its message is simple: keep working and tending to the pursuit of Justice and better times will come.

  126. 126.

    The Pale Scot

    January 4, 2020 at 12:25 am

    In response to J.C. I meant to put up a link to the classic Twilight Zones “The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street” and discovered that it is a frequent project performed by high school film and drama classes.

    Adam, you gotta stop sharing your nightmares with us..I mean me before bedtime. Glasgow is playing at 8am EST, I wanna go to sleep man.

     

    Observation on “The Crapification of everything”. I’m looking online to replace long handled brushes my mum used to clean showers and tiles. Every item has reviews saying that they had replaced an older version of the same product and the new one is a piece of crap. I’d pay the price for a brush that doesn’t end up in the garbage after one round about my parent’s house, that doesn’t seem to be an option. Niche market; “Artisan Toilet Brushes”, it’s going to happen for sure.

  127. 127.

    Jackie

    January 4, 2020 at 12:29 am

    @NotMax: OMG, I actually remember this song!

  128. 128.

    chopper

    January 4, 2020 at 12:30 am

    @Mnemosyne:

    i’m from chicago and i’ll be damned if i consider it to be ‘middle america’. that’s some bible belt shit if you ask me.

  129. 129.

    JaySinWA

    January 4, 2020 at 12:30 am

    I doubt the Iranian response would be limited to Trump, but one line of attack would be to disable his enablers. Real or manufactured scandals that undermine Javanka DJT Jr, Miller et al. would put him off balance. Jared plotting with MLS to green light the Kashoggi killing for 666 funding? Jr Eric and Ivanka plotting to rest control of Trump enterprises from the old Dotard? A little truth and some manufactured evidence could rattle his cage.

  130. 130.

    Mnemosyne

    January 4, 2020 at 12:35 am

    @Kamala.Harris.2020:

    The phrase you’re looking for is “suburbs and exurbs.”

    Seriously, Misha, you need a better dictionary of American idioms if you’re going to pull this off.

  131. 131.

    Lyrebird

    January 4, 2020 at 12:36 am

    @Aleta: Thanks, and glad I went with the impulse to mention the good wishes…  Thanks for reminding me of an awesome song I have not heard in ages.

  132. 132.

    Mnemosyne

    January 4, 2020 at 12:38 am

    @chopper:

    I’m from Lake County. It’s WAY more “Middle America” than you think. Big parts of Cook County are still “Middle America,” too (my spouse is from Oak Park).

    Misha the troll needs a better dictionary of idioms.

  133. 133.

    Aleta

    January 4, 2020 at 12:41 am

    @Lyrebird: Looking forward to maybe more pics of your beautiful daffs again this spring

  134. 134.

    chopper

    January 4, 2020 at 12:42 am

    @Mnemosyne:

    hey, if you think waukegan is one of ‘the big cities’ knock yourself out.

    honestly, i can’t believe you’re nitpicking so hard over john cole’s tweet about ‘middle america’ vs ‘the big cities’. this is moronic. it’s clear what cole meant.

  135. 135.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 4, 2020 at 12:44 am

    @chopper: What suburb? ?

  136. 136.

    Redshift

    January 4, 2020 at 12:55 am

    @The Pale Scot:

    Niche market; “Artisan Toilet Brushes”, it’s going to happen for sure.

    A friend of mine who lives in a ramshackle old house had to replace her stove, and to get one that had knobs instead of digital controls, she had to buy a “retro” model.

  137. 137.

    Mnemosyne

    January 4, 2020 at 12:57 am

    @chopper:

    Hang on, I think I see where the miscommunication is — I’m arguing with the troll, not with John Cole. I actually think Cole is right.

    And name-checking Waukegan made me laugh a little too hard. ?

  138. 138.

    Kamala.Harris.2020

    January 4, 2020 at 1:00 am

    @chopper:

    Yeah, it was clear what Cole meant and what I was responding to.

    It seems this Mnemosyne dude just likes to argue.

  139. 139.

    chopper

    January 4, 2020 at 1:02 am

    @Mnemosyne:

    the guy is quoting cole’s tweet from the top of the post.

    if they were smart, they would ignore the big cities, who have the law enforcement to handle the chaos. Attack middle america where all the people are scared shitless already.

    i guess quoting the blog owner makes me a Russian Troll(tm) too.

    *jesus christ, by the way, is anyone else starting to get sick of the fucking ‘i don’t like you, so you’re a russian troll!’ shit at this point? it’s getting fucking old.

  140. 140.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 4, 2020 at 1:02 am

    @Mnemosyne: :P Why do you hate Jack Benny and Ray Bradbury? ?

  141. 141.

    chopper

    January 4, 2020 at 1:03 am

    @Kamala.Harris.2020:

    mnem isn’t a dude. you’re new here or you’d know that shit.

  142. 142.

    Redshift

    January 4, 2020 at 1:03 am

    Bizarre experience visiting NYC yesterday. We were out to dinner, and I happened to glance at the table around to my left, and there was Geraldo Frickin’ Rivera!

    I was tempted to ask him if the price for selling his soul to the organization destroying America was worth it, but he seemed to be with family, and I’m not that much of an asshole. (I did overhear a comment from one of his dinner companions asking another not to start an argument about politics, so at least he may not be immune to that from his own people.)

  143. 143.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 4, 2020 at 1:09 am

    @Redshift: “What’s in Capone’s vault?!”

  144. 144.

    Redshift

    January 4, 2020 at 1:10 am

    @mrmoshpotato: LOL. Yeah, that would have been clever.

  145. 145.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 4, 2020 at 1:11 am

    @Redshift: Also “Why did you give away American soldiers’ location?”

  146. 146.

    Another Scott

    January 4, 2020 at 1:12 am

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iraq-security-airstrike/u-s-led-coalition-did-not-conduct-air-strike-near-taji-iraq-camp-spokesman-idUSKBN1Z3065?il=0

    Hmmm…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  147. 147.

    Mnemosyne

    January 4, 2020 at 1:17 am

    @chopper:

    Right, and then the troll’s response was that Cole was wrong and the Iranians should attack Seattle, San Francisco, and Chicago where people don’t have guns.

    One of those things is not like the others … ?

  148. 148.

    Mnemosyne

    January 4, 2020 at 1:19 am

    @mrmoshpotato:

    True story: two of my stepbrothers attended Jack Benny Junior High.

  149. 149.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 4, 2020 at 1:20 am

    @Mnemosyne: Chicago doesn’t start with ‘S’?

  150. 150.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 4, 2020 at 1:23 am

    @Mnemosyne: Excellent.  Do either play violin?

  151. 151.

    Mike J

    January 4, 2020 at 1:24 am

    @mrmoshpotato: Chicago and Seattle come from native words and names. San Francisco is a European name.

  152. 152.

    Omnes Omnibus

    January 4, 2020 at 1:26 am

    @Mnemosyne: Only one of them has a proper hockey team.

  153. 153.

    Mnemosyne

    January 4, 2020 at 1:27 am

    @mrmoshpotato:

    Drums. ?‍♀️

  154. 154.

    Mnemosyne

    January 4, 2020 at 1:28 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    You’d better mean Chicago, because I think I may be legally required to open a can of (verbal) whoop-ass if not. Not my fault, it’s Illinois state law.

  155. 155.

    Kamala.Harris.2020

    January 4, 2020 at 1:30 am

    @chopper:

    Really?  S/he sure does like doin’ some mansplainin’.

  156. 156.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 4, 2020 at 1:30 am

    @Mike J: Seattle is the only city on Krusty the Klown’s list of funny words.

  157. 157.

    Mnemosyne

    January 4, 2020 at 1:31 am

    @Mike J:

    The Oregon Historical Society in Portland has some nice Native American goods from the region, but I forgot to check if the city had an earlier name. ?

  158. 158.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 4, 2020 at 1:32 am

    @Mnemosyne: Throw an octopus at him!

  159. 159.

    Mnemosyne

    January 4, 2020 at 1:33 am

    @Kamala.Harris.2020:

    Yes, my androgynous nym makes the issue so confusing. ?

    Google is your friend.

  160. 160.

    Mnemosyne

    January 4, 2020 at 1:35 am

    @mrmoshpotato:

    Nooooo, not the innocent octopodes!
    ????

  161. 161.

    Omnes Omnibus

    January 4, 2020 at 1:36 am

    @Mnemosyne: It’s either support the Blackhawks or whatever team Minnesota has this week.  I am still upset about trading Chelios to Detroit.

  162. 162.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 4, 2020 at 1:38 am

    @Mnemosyne: This seal needs a talking to then.

    Art! Art! Slap!

  163. 163.

    Mnemosyne

    January 4, 2020 at 1:38 am

    Anyhoo, gentlemen (and lady? ?), I need to get ready for the arrival of Morpheus and, tomorrow, our cleaning people. Good night!

  164. 164.

    Mnemosyne

    January 4, 2020 at 1:40 am

    @mrmoshpotato:

    Clearly co-conspirators. Good night! ?

  165. 165.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 4, 2020 at 1:42 am

    @Mnemosyne: Night!

  166. 166.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    January 4, 2020 at 1:48 am

    @Kamala.Harris.2020: Having met Mnemosyne on several occasions, I can assure you she’s a she.

  167. 167.

    Origuy

    January 4, 2020 at 2:00 am

    @Aleta: The Plow is also another name for the constellation we usually call the Big Dipper. Hidden in the lyrics is a reference to the Underground Railrond.

  168. 168.

    Mike J

    January 4, 2020 at 2:13 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: I’m hoping Seattle sticks with the name “Seattle NHL Team”.  White unis with black sans text.

  169. 169.

    joel hanes

    January 4, 2020 at 2:34 am

    @Bill Arnold:

    Still not clear how it evolved

    Kin selection

    and/or

    sexual selection

  170. 170.

    joel hanes

    January 4, 2020 at 2:42 am

    @Raven Onthill:

    My spouse wonders why no-one in the chain of command objected to the kill order as illegal.

    I’m gonna bet that if we ever find out what happened, we’ll find that they _did_ object.

    Thanks to Just Security, we know that the DoD and other parts of the government objected, strenuously, to Trump personally and illegally ordering the withholding of the defense aid to Ukraine.

    But our form of government gives the President the power to order the Joint Chiefs to do things to which they object.

  171. 171.

    joel hanes

    January 4, 2020 at 2:45 am

    @Mnemosyne:

    trolls don’t care about consistency

    they contain multitudes

  172. 172.

    Llelldorin

    January 4, 2020 at 2:49 am

    @Kamala.Harris.2020:

    Is that necessarily true, though? From a very brief poke around the internet, the concealed carry rate in CA is about 3.2%, which isn’t all that much lower than, say, Texas’s 5%. In the big cities I could believe that the rate is lower, but the population is much higher, so it wouldn’t take a particularly high rate to have a respectable number of armed people about. Cities also have a much easier job with rapid police response (for the same reason—much higher density) and are similarly likelier to have armed security guards or the like relatively nearby

    (This is at least partially guesswork—I’m not an expert in anything beyond poking at balky software—but it seems at least plausible from my lived experience in large cities.)

  173. 173.

    BruceFromOhio

    January 4, 2020 at 2:54 am

     

    The Iranians have a target rich environment given the President’s well documented poor Op-Sec and Info-Sec practices. The Iranians have a target rich environment given Rudy Giuliani’s poor Op-Sec and Info-Sec practices. The Iranians have a target rich environment because Jared Kushner communicates with Muhammed bin Salman on WhatsApp, which is not secure. The Iranians have a target rich environment in the largely wide open US information and cyber domains

    But her emails.

  174. 174.

    Jay

    January 4, 2020 at 3:08 am

    @joel hanes:

    the Operation Menu article linked by another commenter,

    https://look.substack.com/p/first-comes-the-secret-then-comes

    noted that Nixon secretly bombed Cambodia for 14 months, day in, day out, with hundreds sworn to secrecy, a completely parallel command and reporting system, and thousands of fake mission reports,

    keeping Congress, the Joint Chiefs and the Pentagon completely in the dark,

    with only one whistleblower ever coming forward, 3 1/2 years later.

  175. 175.

    joel hanes

    January 4, 2020 at 4:22 am

    @Jay:

    Yes.

    (Although a narrow slice of the public did “know”.  I myself spent several days of  spring 1972 in large anti-war protests in Iowa City that were inspired in part by the bombing of Cambodia)

    But Trump is not Nixon, and does not have the organizational relationships or skills to pull off that kind of thing.  The Trumpists are malevolent but inept

  176. 176.

    Jay Noble

    January 4, 2020 at 4:51 am

    @Another Scott: The link to Reuters gets hijacked by some probably bogus sweepstakes thingy

  177. 177.

    Celebrity Bowling

    January 4, 2020 at 6:59 am

    Low tech. High impact.

  178. 178.

    otmar

    January 4, 2020 at 8:18 am

    @Adam L Silverman: ha! The Palmer House. I’ve also attended a conference (IETF) there. 2003ish.

  179. 179.

    artem1s

    January 4, 2020 at 9:58 am

    Interesting article.  Given how stupid the Dolt family is about their and our info security, I guess the best we can hope for is that the Secret Service decides to keep the Idiot in Chief barricaded in the most secure place possible.  Hopefully away from populated areas.  IOW, no more golf outings to M-A-L or anywhere else for that matter. Personally, I’m hoping for the same unnamed location W, the coward, hid out in the days after 9/11. Hopefully some super secure underground bunker in east bumfuck nowhere.  Let him and his awful spawn experience the natural habitat of his cult followers for awhile.

    Meanwhile the rest of us will be doing our best not to get shot by those same cultists as they ‘keep ‘murica safe’ with their guns dildos.

  180. 180.

    Another Scott

    January 4, 2020 at 10:30 am

    @Jay Noble: Sorry about that.  It still works Ok for me (MBP, Chrome, uBlock Origin).

    Cheers,

    Scott.

  181. 181.

    chopper

    January 4, 2020 at 10:38 am

    @Mnemosyne:

    (slaps forehead). this is just…oy gevult, i’m out.

  182. 182.

    J R in WV

    January 4, 2020 at 11:23 am

     

    I wonder if Iranian leadership will distinguish between Trump and the US, perhaps hitting several of the “Trump Tower Worldwide” facilities, while leaving “Mr and Mrs America” alone for the time being?

    There are Trump Towers in several mid-east nations aren’t there? I would think Iran could make those facilities effectively deserted with small but flashy attacks for very little investment in dollars or lives. Put the Trump Org out of the real estate naming business instantly. Wonder if Trump thought of that possibility for even a second? Nah, who am I kidding, Trump thinking, nah!

  183. 183.

    The Moar You Know

    January 4, 2020 at 12:35 pm

    Ok, for all you people who demand press conferences to explain shit to our dumb populace – you can call all the press conferences you want, this does not mean the media will cover it.

    @ruemara:  no joke. Just got back from Scotland last night. Their New Years celebration (which needs to be seen to be believed) basically became a massive anti-Brexit rally.   Over a hundred thousand people there.

    Not one paper, local or national, reported on that at all.  I was there.  It happened.  To anyone who wasn’t, it didn’t.  That is some scary shit to actually witness.

  184. 184.

    tam1MI

    January 4, 2020 at 1:28 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: Iran wanted to embarass Donald Trump, blowing up his Yuge Byootiful Wall would be avery low-risk way to do it.

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