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You are here: Home / Politics / Impeachment / Impeach the Motherfucker! / Panic on the Streets of Washington

Panic on the Streets of Washington

by $8 blue check mistermix|  January 6, 20208:27 am| 90 Comments

This post is in: Impeach the Motherfucker!

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Lindsey Graham is a fool whose comments can’t be taken seriously, but since he’s embedded himself deep in the nether regions of Trump’s anus, we can use his blather to measure Trump’s mood, and it looks like both of them are rattled:

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey O. Graham suggested Sunday that Republicans should try to change Senate rules governing impeachment if House Speaker Nancy Pelosi continues to withhold the charges against President Trump — an unlikely 11th-hour bid to begin a trial within days without the actual documents.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) was unequivocal in a Senate floor speech on Friday that “we can’t hold a trial without the articles; the Senate’s own rules don’t provide for that.” But Graham (R-S.C.), a close ally of Trump, floated the idea of a unilateral GOP move, saying he would work with McConnell to allow the Senate to proceed without the two charges against Trump for abuse of power and obstruction of Congress.

Graham, who was a House manager for Clinton’s trial, knows damn well that it’s pretty hard to have a trial without a prosecutor, but I’m sure Trump or Rudy or some other numbskull told this fool to go out and threaten this, so he dutifully did.

Sounds like withholding the documents – or even threatening to slow play them – has really gotten under Trump’s skin, so we should keep it up for a few more days. If the tables were turned and McConnell was the Speaker of the House impeaching a Democratic President the Senate wouldn’t convict, you know god damned well that he would pull out every little trick he could to get as much mileage out of impeachment. No harm, no foul if we do the same.

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  1. 1.

    SFAW

    January 6, 2020 at 8:35 am

    I think Traitor Turtle and JAG-off Graham should start the trial, after naming Rudy Colludy as the prosecutor. Hilarity would ensue.

     

    Where “hilarity” == “shredding of the Constitution,” of course.

  2. 2.

    Amir Khalid

    January 6, 2020 at 8:44 am

    I’m not quite clear on this. Does it make any sense to start a trial, even in the US Senate, without the charges? Is it the plan to formally begin the trial, and suspend it pending receipt of the articles of impeachment? I don’t see how that achieves anything for the Republican side.

  3. 3.

    Kay

    January 6, 2020 at 8:46 am

    I just defer to Pelosi. I think she’s earned the trust on how to do her job.

    I don’t trust Schumer though- he’s been terrible in the Trump period. Just useless. He’s been effectively AWOL. I have a theory that people who came up around Trump in NY are either ineffective against him or his actual right hand men (Giuliani). The people who know him best see him least clearly. He has captured them to a certain extent. They either defer to him or work for him.

  4. 4.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    January 6, 2020 at 8:47 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    Amir, you are obviously not a Republican member of congress.

  5. 5.

    Another Scott

    January 6, 2020 at 8:47 am

    RollCall:

    Impeachment stalemate

    Both Schumer and McConnell pivoted quickly to impeachment, where little to no progress seems to have been made since the Senate departed for the holiday recess last year on the question of whether senators will hear from witnesses during the proceeding and when Speaker Nancy Pelosi will send over the articles of impeachment. In back-to-back floor speeches Friday, the two traded jabs that underscore the stalemate that has continued into the new year.

    McConnell reiterated his intention to use the precedent of the Clinton impeachment trial, in two phases with opening arguments, a written question period and then a decision point on whether to call witnesses or not.

    Schumer wants one resolution at the start of the trial that would address both the rules of the proceedings and an agreement on hearing from specific witnesses. He said if there isn’t a commitment up front for witnesses in the impeachment trial “the Senate will operate as little more than a nationally televised meeting of the mock trial club.”

    He referred to McConnell’s proposal to wait to consider witnesses until after the managers and defense presentations occur in the Senate, a “poorly disguised trap.”

    McConnell defended against criticism of what he called his “total coordination” with the White House on the trial strategy and the defense of the president, noting that Schumer is also coordinating with Pelosi.

    “This fantasy that the speaker of the House will get to hand-design the trial proceedings in the Senate, that’s obviously a non-starter,” he said.

    McConnell also pushed back against the idea that senators, who serve as jurors in an impeachment trial, shouldn’t already be drawing conclusions based on what they’ve seen during the House investigation and hearings.

    “You better believe senators have started forming opinions. We sure have. Especially in light of the precedent-breaking theatrics that House Democrats chose to engage in,” McConnell said.

    McConnell said that the Senate will return to its ordinary business and simply wait for House to send impeachment articles.

    “Their turn is over. They’ve done enough damage. It’s the Senate’s turn now to render sober judgement as the framers envisioned. But we can’t hold the trial without the articles,” he said.

    Pelosi has held the two articles, saying she wants details about what the Senate trial would look like.

    “It may feel like we are no closer to establishing the rules for a Senate trial than we last met, but the question — the vital question of whether or not we have a fair trial — ultimately rests with a majority of the senators in this chamber,” Schumer said.

    I assume talks are going on in the background, but they sound very far apart at the moment. Graham’s proposal should be a non-starter. (groucho-roll-eyes.gif)

    I agree that Nancy should continue to wait. Presumably Moscow Mitch will have to come up with something this week.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  6. 6.

    SFAW

    January 6, 2020 at 8:51 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    I think part of it is Traitor Turtle trying to force Speaker Pelosi to send over the Articles without him having to commit on rules, evidence, testimony, etc.

    I also assume — based on nothing other than my hatred of Moscow Mitch and Graham — that they’ll quick-gavel (or the equivalent thereof) any and all proceedings.

     

    If only there were some group — I don’t know, maybe call it the Democrat National Committee? — that was screaming to the MSM every day about Rethugs aiding and abetting a dictatorship. Eventually (I hope), the MSM would have to cover it. And maybe it would wake up all those economically anxious voters, get them to say “WTF?” [I realize this is a naive hope.]

  7. 7.

    Betty Cracker

    January 6, 2020 at 8:52 am

    Agree that Pelosi’s decision to hang onto the articles has the Republicans rattled, in no small part because new evidence keeps coming to light that makes it even more obvious that Trump is guilty and that his toadies within the administration are complicit. It’s possible Trump ordered the assassination of the Iranian general in part to distract from the parade of bad headlines related to impeachment. He’s an impulsive dimwit, but he does understand how to drive the media herd.

  8. 8.

    Kay

    January 6, 2020 at 8:54 am

    Max Tani
    @maxwelltani
    ·17h
    I emailed Maureen Dowd several times last week asking if she had any thoughts about this column in light of this week’s news. Still waiting to hear back!

    Twitter wants Maureen Dowd to have to address her crap 2016 political analysis before she churns out more junk for 2020. Seems like a reasonable request.

  9. 9.

    mapaghimagsik

    January 6, 2020 at 8:56 am

    I love the fact that holding on the articles prevents a quick shutdown by the Senate and allows for more evidence to come in. It helps that the Republicans are displaying how they are not going to be an impartial jury again and again.

  10. 10.

    Richard Guhl

    January 6, 2020 at 8:56 am

    @Another Scott: Precedents? McConnell? Since when did Mitch the Shredder care about norms, customs or precedents?
    I know, I know, you’re not saying he does. But putting his name in the same sentence with precedent really triggered my gag reflex.

  11. 11.

    SFAW

    January 6, 2020 at 8:57 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    It’s possible Trump ordered the assassination of the Iranian general in part to distract from the parade of bad headlines related to impeachment.

    Unpossible. I sincerely believe assassinating Soleimani prevented the Iranian Air Force from launching an all-out attack on Washington and Mar-a-Loco, using their vast arsenal of lasers, phasers, photon torpedoes, and spitballs.

  12. 12.

    Baud

    January 6, 2020 at 8:57 am

    @Kay:

    The NYT has a rule against introspection.

  13. 13.

    germy

    January 6, 2020 at 8:59 am

    BREAKING: Daughter of deceased GOP strategist Thomas Hofeller has posted on https://t.co/3NH4uFIuMJ files copied from hard drives Republicans in North Carolina tried to keep sealed. @SHofeller tells @NPR the files are “the property of the people”?https://t.co/PAyaAYdjFn

    — Hansi Lo Wang | 6️⃣6️⃣ DAYS (@hansilowang) January 5, 2020

  14. 14.

    SFAW

    January 6, 2020 at 8:59 am

    @mapaghimagsik:

    It helps that the Republicans are displaying how they are not going to be an impartial jury again and again.

    But Chuck Schumer is working with Speaker Pelosi, so it’s OK for the Republican Senate to circle the wagons around that pore innocent POS!

  15. 15.

    Omnes Omnibus

    January 6, 2020 at 9:00 am

    @Kay: Given the rules of the Senate and powers available to the Minority Leader, what should Schumer have been doing that he has not?

  16. 16.

    Richard Guhl

    January 6, 2020 at 9:00 am

    @mapaghimagsik: What do you call someone who aids and abets a crime after the fact?

    Guilty!

  17. 17.

    SFAW

    January 6, 2020 at 9:01 am

    @Baud:

    The NYT has a rule against introspection.

    Not sure I agree. After all, the Mustache of Understanding (among others) is known for his navel-gazing.

  18. 18.

    Kay

    January 6, 2020 at 9:02 am

    andrew kaczynski?
    @KFILE
    · 22h
    My personal opinion on this is well known since it was published — but I also feel like if you’re given the privilege of a lifetime appointment as a taker have at the New York Times you should at least have to address your crappy ones in follow up columns.

    The bizarre NYTimes attacks on Hillary Clinton in 2016 should make people question their coverage of the 2020 Democratic field. This is a rational response to lousy work and no one should be bullied into thinking otherwise. You’re permitted to use past performance to anticipate future performance. That’s allowed. The burden shifts to them to show they won’t repeat the bad work. It is possible to lose the benefit of the doubt. It’s not an eternal gift. It can be withdrawn.

  19. 19.

    Kay

    January 6, 2020 at 9:02 am

    andrew kaczynski?
    @KFILE
    · 22h
    My personal opinion on this is well known since it was published — but I also feel like if you’re given the privilege of a lifetime appointment as a taker have at the New York Times you should at least have to address your crappy ones in follow up columns.

    The bizarre NYTimes attacks on Hillary Clinton in 2016 should make people question their coverage of the 2020 Democratic field. This is a rational response to lousy work and no one should be bullied into thinking otherwise. You’re permitted to use past performance to anticipate future performance. That’s allowed. The burden shifts to them to show they won’t repeat the bad work. It is possible to lose the benefit of the doubt. It’s not an eternal gift. It can be withdrawn.

  20. 20.

    SFAW

    January 6, 2020 at 9:03 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    He should have gotten Cy Vance Jr. not to kill the pre-2016 Trump-related investigations.

    Oh, you mean lately?

  21. 21.

    Amir Khalid

    January 6, 2020 at 9:03 am

    Off topic: how do I adjust colour balance on a Lenovo Thinkpad running Win 10? This new one looks a bit reddish.

  22. 22.

    germy

    January 6, 2020 at 9:04 am

    Deceased GOP Strategist’s Daughter Makes Files Public That Republicans Wanted Sealed
    More than a year after his death, a cache of computer files saved on the hard drives of Thomas Hofeller, a prominent Republican redistricting strategist, is becoming public.

    Republican state lawmakers in North Carolina fought in court to keep copies of these maps, spreadsheets and other documents from entering the public record. But some files have already come to light in recent months through court filings and news reports.

    They have been cited as evidence of gerrymandering that got political maps thrown out in North Carolina, and they have raised questions about Hofeller’s role in the Trump administration’s failed push for a census citizenship question.

    Now more of the files are available online through a website called The Hofeller Files,where Hofeller’s daughter, Stephanie Hofeller, published a link to her copy of the files on Sunday after first announcing her plans in a tweet last month.

  23. 23.

    MattF

    January 6, 2020 at 9:05 am

    WaPo:

    Senate rules suggest such a move would be difficult, if not impossible. It would take 60 votes to pass a resolution on impeachment outside a trial and 67 votes to change the impeachment rules. That threshold would require Democratic support, since McConnell has only 53 Republicans — and Democrats would be loath to undercut Pelosi.

    So, Graham’s proposal is completely bananapants.

  24. 24.

    Cheryl Rofer

    January 6, 2020 at 9:26 am

    @Amir Khalid: Verdict first! Trial afterwards!

    — Red Queen, Alice in Wonderland

  25. 25.

    germy

    January 6, 2020 at 9:39 am

    If you're looking for my father in hell, he's often in the,

    "Don't Throw Your Vote Away" Chat Room, with the Dems…

    (artisanal cheeses and cis-boy-bi-curious grad students)

    If you don't find him there, try the

    "War is Good for the Economy" Chat Room.

    — Stephanie Hofeller (@SHofeller) January 3, 2020

  26. 26.

    zhena gogolia

    January 6, 2020 at 9:40 am

    I got a 524 when I tried to comment on the lower thread. First time since Christmas, I think.

  27. 27.

    TS (the original)

    January 6, 2020 at 9:40 am

    @Another Scott:

    McConnell defended against criticism of what he called his “total coordination” with the White House on the trial strategy and the defense of the president, noting that Schumer is also coordinating with Pelosi.

    The media reporting McConnells “both sides” as if it was legitimate.  Pelosi just happens to be part of Congress – McConnell has been talking this b.s. since 2008.

  28. 28.

    Nicole

    January 6, 2020 at 9:43 am

    Put me also in the “what is Schumer supposed to be doing that he actually has the power, as Minority Leader, to do?”  I am so old I remember everyone complaining about Harry Reid for being weak when he was in the same position Schumer is, and now Harry is remembered as a tough guy because nostalgia is a hell of a drug.

    For the record, I thought Harry Reid did a fine job and I thought it at the time, too, because the Minority Leader is really stuck in a thankless position.  And honestly, Schumer is doing as much as can be expected.  He can’t force the media to put his face on the teevee and he’s dealing with a Majority Leader whose sole interest is in maintaining single party rule for… god only knows what reasons, seeing as how he’s old and unlikely to see the effects of single-party rule by the GOP, but sure seems determined to break the country before he goes, rather than actually enjoy anything in his miserable life.  I had a riding instructor who once said some horses have had their ears pinned back since the moment they dropped out of their mamas and I think that applies to some humans, too.

  29. 29.

    Amir Khalid

    January 6, 2020 at 9:46 am

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    I used to be a court reporter. Every trial here in Malaysia (and I would presume anywhere else) begins with a reading of the charge. No charge, nothing to try.

  30. 30.

    oatler.

    January 6, 2020 at 9:47 am

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    “We’re all mad here.”

  31. 31.

    TomatoQueen

    January 6, 2020 at 9:49 am

    @Amir Khalid: In my experience with Lenovo products, answers to all questions will be found by hunting in the Lenovo help pages. Lenovo likes to fiddle with things, then make elaborate notes.

  32. 32.

    Snarki, child of Loki

    January 6, 2020 at 9:49 am

    Oh, poor, poor widdle Lindsey is getting his panties in a twist.

    I’ll work on caring about his problems when the nano-fabricator finishes making the next batch of tiny little violins.

  33. 33.

    Geoboy

    January 6, 2020 at 9:51 am

    @germy: Damn!  That’s some harsh (though accurate) interfamiliy psychodrama!

  34. 34.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    January 6, 2020 at 9:51 am

    The NYT tweeted about Castro endorsing Warren, and I made the mistake of reading the comments. Now I’m in despair about humanity.

  35. 35.

    Amir Khalid

    January 6, 2020 at 9:56 am

    @TomatoQueen:

    Should I try taking it back to the shop?

  36. 36.

    MisterForkbeard

    January 6, 2020 at 9:59 am

    @Amir Khalid: They would get around this by just announcing that they already have the charges – what was voted on in the House.

    Illegal, but that hasn’t stopped them before

  37. 37.

    Gin & Tonic

    January 6, 2020 at 10:02 am

    @Nicole:

    He can’t force the media to put his face on the teevee

    If there is one thing that Schumer knows, it’s how to get on teevee. The guy has never seen a camera anywhere that he didn’t stand in front of.

  38. 38.

    Gin & Tonic

    January 6, 2020 at 10:04 am

    @Amir Khalid: I’m not sure what model you have, but Lenovo has a Pantone color calibration program available.

  39. 39.

    Nicole

    January 6, 2020 at 10:08 am

    @Gin & Tonic: I don’t dispute he loves being on television, but he can’t force the media to report on what he says and they just don’t care.  Anything that doesn’t fit the Dems in Disarray story they aren’t interested in.

    Coincidentally, we finally committed to dropping cable this weekend.  I was pretty much just watching news programs, and then stopped watching after the 2016 election when it fully hit me just how bad coverage had been, and three years later, we realized we’re watching so little live TV that it’s just throwing money away.  I’ll have to figure out some way to see the Kentucky Derby in May, but that’s about it.

  40. 40.

    Frankensteinbeck

    January 6, 2020 at 10:09 am

    @germy:

    Heh.  Yeah, one thing I noticed in the article is that she’s an asshole.  However, she happens to be an asshole dedicated to transparency and who hates her father’s gerrymandering legacy.  I’ll take a win even delivered by a twit.

  41. 41.

    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon

    January 6, 2020 at 10:13 am

    If the tables were turned and McConnell was the Speaker of the House impeaching a Democratic President the Senate wouldn’t convict, you know god damned well that he would pull out every little trick he could to get as much mileage out of impeachment. No harm, no foul if we do the same.

    Not sure why “if roles were reversed, Mitch would do it” is the best rationale to cite for this course of action.

    Seems like there are many other, and more legitimate, reasons to do this.

  42. 42.

    JPL

    January 6, 2020 at 10:13 am

    @Nicole: I’m outside of Atlanta and my antenna works just fine.

  43. 43.

    brantl

    January 6, 2020 at 10:13 am

    Nancy needs to instruct her committees to continue investigating, in lieu of the Senate showing any inclination to do their duty, and she should have a press conference saying exactly that.

  44. 44.

    The Moar You Know

    January 6, 2020 at 10:15 am

    If the tables were turned and McConnell was the Speaker of the House impeaching a Democratic President the Senate wouldn’t convict, you know god damned well that he would pull out every little trick he could to get as much mileage out of impeachment.

    He would certainly never go so far as to refuse to hold confirmation hearings for a Supreme Court justice from the loyal opposition.

    Far as I’m concerned, the articles can stay in Nancy’s office until the heat death of the universe.

  45. 45.

    Chyron HR

    January 6, 2020 at 10:15 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Since the alleged “left” is currently protesting Schumer for singlehandedly starting the Iraq war, you’ll probably have to wait until 2040 for them to get around to the things he’s doing wrong right now.

  46. 46.

    SFAW

    January 6, 2020 at 10:15 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    This new one looks a bit reddish.

    A few years ago, I would have called you a “commie.” But since this Maladministration and the Rethug Partei have become a wholly-owned subsidiary of Russia, that epithet no longer has any meaning.

     

    On the Windows thing: sorry, I’m still running XP.  Not sure if Win 10 will work with my 14.4 modem. Maybe if I use my buggy whip on it?

  47. 47.

    Amir Khalid

    January 6, 2020 at 10:20 am

    @SFAW:

    No, don’t use the buggy whip. You don’t want to use a buggy product with any tech device.

  48. 48.

    SFAW

    January 6, 2020 at 10:22 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    You don’t want to use a buggy product with any tech device.

    Thanks for that one, I wish I had thought of it. I’m still laughing. 

  49. 49.

    J R in WV

    January 6, 2020 at 10:30 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    how do I adjust colour balance on a Lenovo Thinkpad running Win 10?

     

    You type “how do I adjust colour balance on a Lenovo Thinkpad running Win 10? ” without the quotes into Google Search.

    It will say:

    How to Calibrate Your Monitor in Windows 10

    1. Right-click on the desktop and select Display settings.
    2. Click “Advanced display settings” at the bottom of the settings window.
    3. Verify that your monitor is set to the recommended, native resolution. …
    4. Click “Color calibration” at the bottom of the advanced display settings window.

    More items…
    •
    Jan 22, 2016

    http://www.laptopmag.com › articles › calibrate-monitor-windows-10


    How to Calibrate Your Monitor in Windows 10 | Laptop Mag

    Obviously, there are About 2,820,000 results (0.66 seconds) so there are plenty of opinions.

  50. 50.

    Roger Moore

    January 6, 2020 at 10:31 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    I’m not quite clear on this. Does it make any sense to start a trial, even in the US Senate, without the charges?

    No, but the Senate Republicans don’t care about making sense.  This is part of the argument about the terms of the impeachment trial.  The Republicans want to have the absolute weakest trial possible, just enough so they can claim they did their job and acquitted Trump for lack of evidence.  The House Democrats are withholding the impeachment documents to try to pressure the Senate Republicans into agreeing to a real trial.  Now the Senate Republicans are proposing an even more farcical trial in an attempt to reverse the pressure and make the House Democrats release the impeachment papers before the rules of the trial are defined.

  51. 51.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 6, 2020 at 10:31 am

    @Amir Khalid: How’s about framing hammers, sawzalls, demo saws, drills, and rotozips?

  52. 52.

    Jay

    January 6, 2020 at 10:40 am

    1 U.S. serviceperson, 2 contractors dead, 6 planes struck, including rare spy plane, in Kenya attack: https://t.co/zj03RzKOgA— Tyler Rogoway (@Aviation_Intel) January 5, 2020

    al Shabaab attack in Kenya, aftermath.

    A combined US AfriCom SOF Base, Intel base and Kenyan Army base, hit by al Shabaab, the Sunni product tracing their roots back to Operation “Restore Hope”, Dolt 40, 1992.

  53. 53.

    Nicole

    January 6, 2020 at 10:41 am

    @JPL: That’s what I figure we’ll do.  My spouse did get talked into upgrading to highest speed internet, but the increased cost is only $5 a month (technically $20, but on the higher speed deal they then waive the usual $15 rental fee on the router OH GOOD GRIEF IT’S LIKE A PUZZLE FIGURING OUT HOW THEY DO THESE THINGS) and because he took the time to chat with them online they’re sending a $150 Visa gift card, too.  Woohoo!

    Most recently we’ve been on Spectrum (previously Verizon, which is what we’re going back to as FIOS was much better than Spectrum’s internet), and while I thought, when we switched back to Spectrum two years ago, that I’d be happy to have the 24 hour local NY1 back on my channels, since Clear Channel had bought them I could see the right-wing creep happening to the programming since last we had it. :(

  54. 54.

    germy

    January 6, 2020 at 10:45 am

    Our reporter @melissaetehad talked to Americans who were hostage in Iran after the 1979 Embassy takeover. They don't appreciate being mentioned by Trump. https://t.co/oEImyUJRDN— Sewell Chan (@sewellchan) January 5, 2020

  55. 55.

    Amir Khalid

    January 6, 2020 at 10:46 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    I really don’t think so. But you’re welcome to try it and report any results.

  56. 56.

    MattF

    January 6, 2020 at 10:46 am

    @Amir Khalid: The audience that Graham and McConnell are addressing here is the Orange one in the White House. They know that ‘making sense’ is unnecessary. And, possibly, dangerous— people in cognitive decline can be unpredictable.

  57. 57.

    germy

    January 6, 2020 at 10:47 am

    "One of Trump's top Iran advisors got suckered into a honey trap, had their laptop/iPhone stolen and hacked before they woke up, and the White House refused to take precautionary measures regarding their security clearance. Ladies and gents, I give you the Trump administration."— Reza Marashi (@rezamarashi) January 6, 2020

  58. 58.

    Amir Khalid

    January 6, 2020 at 10:47 am

    I think I’ve figured it out on the screen tint. Thanks for the pointers.

  59. 59.

    germy

    January 6, 2020 at 10:49 am

    Judith Miller has thoughts to share now.

    We're really doing this, huh? pic.twitter.com/KR5u2Q8wew— Justin Baragona (@justinbaragona) January 6, 2020

  60. 60.

    zhena gogolia

    January 6, 2020 at 10:50 am

    Interesting piece from Jennifer Rubin:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/06/iran-one-presidential-contender-rises-moment-another-doesnt/

  61. 61.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 6, 2020 at 10:54 am

    @Amir Khalid: Well, I’ve never had to resort to anything other than the framing hammer but I can report that I get 100% satisfactory results with one. Any tech device receiving such ministrations has never dared to piss me off again.

  62. 62.

    germy

    January 6, 2020 at 10:54 am

    Meet the Press doesn’t disclose guest talking about Iran is Lockheed Martin board member https://t.co/O4AFucQvPT— Dambala (@DambalaAshe) January 6, 2020

  63. 63.

    Amir Khalid

    January 6, 2020 at 10:56 am

    @SFAW:

    That punchline was actually inspired by a One Ronnie sketch.

  64. 64.

    Jay

    January 6, 2020 at 10:58 am

    @germy:

    yeah, that’s a scary thread, it starts here:

    THREAD: Over the past few days, I've spoken extensively with career U.S. government officials as they've worked around the clock to try and mitigate the damage from Trump's ineptitude on Iran. With their permission, I'm sharing a small taste from our lengthy conversations. Enjoy.— Reza Marashi (@rezamarashi) January 6, 2020

    turns out that the whole Administration including the JCS and the Pentagon are batshit crazy and filled with revenge fantasies.

    Oh well, with Solaimeni dead, looks like the only bat shit crazy, “extremist” option, left on the table for the “Planners”, is nuke Iran.

  65. 65.

    cleek

    January 6, 2020 at 11:00 am

    They just want it to start now so it can get buried by Iran news.

  66. 66.

    zhena gogolia

    January 6, 2020 at 11:00 am

    Also very interesting:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/06/adam-schiff-time-open-hearings-trumps-iran-mess/

  67. 67.

    zhena gogolia

    January 6, 2020 at 11:01 am

    @cleek:

    I think Iran is going to get added to the articles. See https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/06/adam-schiff-time-open-hearings-trumps-iran-mess/

  68. 68.

    germy

    January 6, 2020 at 11:08 am

    @Jay:

    that’s a scary thread

    Yes, I remember seeing it yesterday and reading the whole thing in horror.  Imagine if shows like Meet The Press paid attention to this?

  69. 69.

    Kay

    January 6, 2020 at 11:13 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

     Given the rules of the Senate and powers available to the Minority Leader, what should Schumer have been doing that he has not?

    He can be an effective advocate against Trump instead of all but disappearing for the last 3 years.

    Republicans seem to use minority status effectively- they wouldn’t shut up for the entire impeachment proceeding. They were quoted endlessly. These people aren’t simply mechanics. They’re not there solely to pull levers. They’re advocates. He’s been a lousy, weak advocate. I want a better one in that role or at least he should delegate and turn that part over to a stronger senator.
    He’s lucky both Warren and Harris were in the presidential race and speaking out against Trump. They made his absence less obvious.

  70. 70.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 6, 2020 at 11:17 am

    @germy:

    The whole thread is worth reading. Thanx.

  71. 71.

    randy khan

    January 6, 2020 at 11:19 am

    As of today, the enormous delay between the vote on impeachment and the trial is exactly the same as the time between Clinton’s impeachment and the beginning of his trial.

    The 1998 impeachment vote was on December 19 and trial officially started on January 7.  In fact, though the first day was just the introduction of the charges.  They didn’t vote on the rules until January 8, and went into recess immediately after that until January 14 to allow the two sides to file briefs.

    The 2019 impeachment vote was on December 18, and today is, of course, January 6.

    The delay in Clinton’s case was because of negotiations between the White House and the Senate about the rules.  (By the way, what’s interesting here is that Pelosi has only said she’s waiting to know the rules before naming the managers; she hasn’t actually demanded any specific rules before sending the articles over to the Senate.)

  72. 72.

    germy

    January 6, 2020 at 11:23 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:  And already, trump is doing the “dare me to leave” thing with Iraq.  Demanding payment.   So the predictions in the thread are coming true.  It’s terrible.

  73. 73.

    schrodingers_cat

    January 6, 2020 at 11:23 am

    OT:

    How do you cope with the fact that people you love and look up to may be fascists or fascist enablers.

    Some background: I had a fight with my mother for the first time in 25 years over fucking BJP sending masked goons to beat up students in JNU.
    One girl, a student leader, she looks so young, she ended up with 15 stitches to her head. And my mother is defending the monster in the PM’s seat.

  74. 74.

    catclub

    January 6, 2020 at 11:29 am

    @Kay: address her crap 2016 political analysis before she churns out more junk for 2020.

     

    Donald the Dove, Hillary the Hawk?

    yeah, right

  75. 75.

    TomatoQueen

    January 6, 2020 at 11:30 am

    @Amir Khalid: Second try at replying, got a 405 before. Before you go back to this shop, about which I Have Serious Doubts,  the ‘lenovo’ help pages on your machine are worth investigating, so you will know what to expect: the company has its proprietary way of doing a lot of routine and non routine processes & updates which maybe you’re used to doing on your own (oh look, let’s download some drivers and mangle the whole system forever), and ‘lenovo’ would like you to not do that, please, only they’re a bit too polite to stop you. In the course of wandering among the help pages on the machine there should be a stop at hardware or display, which may be the issue, or maybe it’s some windoze settings that are acting up. Anyway do look at the help pages first.

  76. 76.

    catclub

    January 6, 2020 at 11:37 am

    @germy: trump is doing the “dare me to leave” thing with Iraq. Demanding payment.

     

    There was one bit of interesting news in the Iraq parliament vote. It was split by sect, and the Kurds and Sunnis abstained. Not sure how both those can be true,

    but it is still interesting.

  77. 77.

    Kathleen

    January 6, 2020 at 11:42 am

    @schrodingers_cat: I am so sorry you are dealing with this pain of estrangement from family and the horrors of human rights abuses India. Sending healing energy.❤❤❤

  78. 78.

    schrodingers_cat

    January 6, 2020 at 11:43 am

    @Kathleen: Here is the photo of Ghosh who was injured in the attacks.

  79. 79.

    TomatoQueen

    January 6, 2020 at 11:44 am

    @TomatoQueen: or what other folks said faster and without all the gah-damned page errors I got. Often it’s something wonderfully simple.

  80. 80.

    Nicole

    January 6, 2020 at 11:45 am

    @Kay: But how, if the media won’t give him the platform?  Here’s his Twitter feed:

    https://twitter.com/SenSchumer

    He’s saying all the right things there.  But if the news isn’t interested in covering the Minority Leader, his words aren’t going to get out and the news is not interested in covering the Minority Leader.  How, specifically, would you suggest he advocate, in ways that he can actually do, in his position as Minority Leader, that he’s not doing?

    The media is very happy to cover AOC saying in another country, she and Joe Biden wouldn’t be in the same party, because that fits the narrative they want to sell.  Schumer saying McConnell isn’t interested in holding a fair trial?  Yawn.

  81. 81.

    zhena gogolia

    January 6, 2020 at 11:46 am

    @schrodingers_cat:

    I really don’t know. My parents are gone (Daddy was a diehard Dem so no problem there, and although Mom was a Repub, it was of the Nelson Rockefeller variety), and the only family member I talk to is someone who introduced me to BJ, so I don’t have this problem. It’s very hard. Maybe you have to just not discuss it with her for the time being.

  82. 82.

    Ian R

    January 6, 2020 at 12:21 pm

    @germy: Was the top Iran advisor in question Mike Pence?

  83. 83.

    schrodingers_cat

    January 6, 2020 at 12:36 pm

    @zhena gogolia: I called her a cheerleader for a mass murderer and hung up on her. I am going to give myself some cooling off period.

  84. 84.

    Kathleen

    January 6, 2020 at 12:36 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: Heartbreaking.

  85. 85.

    artem1s

    January 6, 2020 at 12:50 pm

    @germy:

    Hofeller’s daughter, Stephanie Hofeller, published a link to her copy of the files

    I’ve always postulated that the GOP’s hatred of Obama stems largely from knowing that no matter what happens, they can’t undo the fact that their children got to witness a Democrat, professional, happy, educated, family in the WH for eight years. And the bookend GOPer administrations looked liked incompetent rubes and con men in comparison. Not all of the GOP trust fund babies are going to follow in their parent’s criminal, racist footpsteps.  Some of them will be downright motivated to undo the damage that was done to the country in their family’s names.  Nice first step, Stephanie.  Keep up the good work.

  86. 86.

    Roger Moore

    January 6, 2020 at 1:08 pm

    @artem1s:

    I think you’re overthinking it a bit.  The thing that scared the Republicans the most about the Obamas is that they were Other.  All the crap about birtherism, being a secret Muslim, etc. was an expression of their fear of The Other.  The Obamas were going to be terrifying to them whether they were happy and successful or miserable failures.  Seeing The Other in a position of power is always terrifying to them, and seeing The Other in the supreme position of power is supremely terrifying.

  87. 87.

    rikyrah

    January 6, 2020 at 1:46 pm

    @germy: 

    yes yes yes

    dead men DO tell tales

  88. 88.

    catclub

    January 6, 2020 at 2:29 pm

    @artem1s: Not all of the GOP trust fund babies are going to follow in their parent’s criminal, racist footpsteps.

     

    I read the New Yorker article. Stephanie Hofeller is kind of the opposite of a trust fund baby. Her father was ALWAYS the enemy. and the good thing she did was mostly due to luck – not any good intent.

  89. 89.

    rikyrah

    January 6, 2020 at 2:44 pm

    @germy:

     

    “One of Trump’s top Iran advisors got suckered into a honey trap, had their laptop/iPhone stolen and hacked before they woke up

     

    Because, of course…..

  90. 90.

    rikyrah

    January 6, 2020 at 2:51 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

     

    I don’t have an answer for you. Did you compare yourself to the young woman? That didn’t hit home for her?

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