Stealing Kamala's voter data sure did pay off for @TomSteyer https://t.co/JCsPBpxVC5
— chris evans (@notcapnamerica) January 9, 2020
Why is Steyer’s $$$ working in Nevada and South Carolina but not New Hampshire and Iowa?
The airwaves are crowded in IA/NH. He’s all alone on TV in Nevada, and only he and Buttigieg are on TV in South Carolina.
— Kevin Robillard (@Robillard) January 9, 2020
Can’t speak to the Iowa market, but here in the Greater Boston media market, the only political ads I’m seeing are for Bloomberg and Steyer. So much sssThayer, frequently more than one ad in the same commercial break, each more annoying than the last. About from the bragging self-rightousness, and the term limits crankery, Steyer has a really annoying voice. I’m starting to hate emus, just from not being able to avoid Steyer’s emu-oid mug.
(NB: The only thing I actually watch over the air these days is the news, which may or may not affect ad placement.)
“What’s going on with Tom Steyer” he’s up in approximately 2 states, both of which have older than normal average voters who saw his ads on TV and want the safest white dude possible
— The Occupation is Bad (@MenshevikM) January 10, 2020
in Sumter, South Carolina and asked someone to guess how many times a week they see Tom Steyer ads.
they burst out laughing
"Everytime I turn on the television. Everytime I get on YouTube."
— Steadman™ (@AsteadWesley) January 11, 2020
I have the feeling that primary voters will award extra attention to any candidate who shivs Steyer at the upcoming debate. Maybe that’s just me, but…
In light of @TomSteyer reaching 15 points in the SC polls, I’d like to pose the following question.
How differently do you think the media would’ve reacted had he stolen data from Elizabeth Warren? pic.twitter.com/payre3sCdH
— chris evans (@notcapnamerica) January 10, 2020
The DNC needs to change its rules so any candidate caught stealing another candidate's data is automatically disqualified from seeking the Democratic nomination. https://t.co/0nbqukwhLp
— Ragnarok Lobster (@eclecticbrotha) January 10, 2020
PsiFighter37
Steyer’s even stupider than Bloomberg…at least Bloomberg actually won an election and had to run things. Steyer has pissed away more money than I’ll ever have being ineffectual pushing environmental policy and impeachment. It’s not to say that I don’t support both causes, but the dude has showed a great propensity for lighting his own money on fire with little to show for it.
IMO, once white men hit a certain level of wealth, they think they are capable of anything. I hope Steyer gets what is coming for him.
cmorenc
Stayer is not going to be the Democratic nominee, no matter how much he spends. The question is, to what extent his continuing presence skew who does become the eventual democratic nominee, and do his campaign tactics cause any collateral damage to other more plausible nominees?
Here in NC, we’re not getting more than very occasional sightings of Stayer commercials (though we do get a few), which may simply reflect that we’re not up early enough in the primary process to be a point of concentrated candidate attention yet.
James E Powell
I’ve only seen a few Steyer ads – all during football games – and they strike me as generic politician talking bullshit. I’m amazed that they have any impact at all. But then, I am not the target audience.
What happens to this guy when he gets nothing out of Iowa and NH? It isn’t just that he will fall, the winners will attract the undecideds and there will be very little room for him to grow.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
half watching the Big Sportsball match, and Bloomberg had two ads running back to back
Some were positing yesterday that he’s just in it to run down trump, that his ads would prove more anti-trump than pro-Bloomberg. These ads were all about him.
I saw something on twitter that someone should ask him if he stands by his ’04 endorsement of Gee Dumbya. I couldn’t agree more. If memory serves there’s some film of him speaking at the 04 RNC that would not play well today
NotMax
It was polls released on January 9th which allowed Steyer to squeak in at the last minute to qualify for being on stage as the sixth person for this coming week’s debate.
Final roster: Biden, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Sanders, Steyer, Warren.
Kraux Pas
I, too, am in MA and Steyer’s ads were the only ones on TV for a long time, pretty much until Bloomberg got in. Since then, they’ve been pretty much all Bllomberg and Steyer, with a smattering of Yang.
m.j.
The last ad I saw with Steyer was him telling me that elections always boil down to economics. I guess he wasn’t paying attention last time because it seemed to be more about misogyny, racism, bigotry, xenophobia, rat fucking and all around hatred.
West of the Rockies
I hope Tulsi drops out post haste. Yang and the big-bucks boys need to go, too. I wish Booker could catch fire.
Kent
What exactly is this story about Steyer stealing data from Harris. Can anyone explain that or provide a good linky?
It is something I was vaguely aware of but completely unaware of the actual details.
Duane
Whatever it is that has Warren doing so poorly with black voters, she needs to fix. Quickly. If Steyer can do it so can she. It can’t all be about money.
Kraux Pas
I’ve found myself pulling for Klobuchar a lot recently. She has some smart, simple, seemingly effective proposals. And I really wish the moderates would find someone to back with a cleaner slate and more modern sensibilities. I know it’s scary to some that she’s a woman and therefore may lose (fun fact, no white man has ever lost a presidential election). But if we’re unwilling to stick our necks out a little bit, we’re never going to get out of the hole we’re in.
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
Are we going to penalize Steyer for campaigning for Black votes and not simply ignoring them like Wilmer?
PsiFighter37
@David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch: That’s not really the point. It’s that he has no proven track record of anything beyond ineffectual television advertising, so why the fuck should we think he’d be a good president?
Kent
@Kraux Pas: I like Klobuchar as a better alternative to either too-old Biden or too-young Buttigieg
I like Warren as an alternative to too-everything Sanders.
I think it would be amazingly interesting in policy terms to have those two as the final two fighting it out after Super Tuesday. Unfortunately the chances of me getting my wish approach zero.
Kraux Pas
So, all this money he has, how does he make that? Yeah, I know I can look it up. That may even be easier and faster, but asking is more fun.
Kraux Pas
@Kent: I think it would be amazingly interesting in policy terms to have those two as the final two fighting it out after Super Tuesday. Unfortunately the chances of me getting my wish approach zero.
As long as it isn’t literally zero, I’ll be happy with that. That’s the only thing staving off my fear that the final two will be Bernie and Joe, an outcome which will prompt me to buy a tent and live my short remaining days in the woods.
PsiFighter37
@Kraux Pas: He was a hedge fund manager. So yes…arguably even less tasteful in how he made his money vs. Bloomberg.
Kraux Pas
@PsiFighter37: Wait, how did Bloomberg make his money?
We had such a big, talented field. How is white male mediocrity such a draw in the Democratic party?
Barbara
@Kraux Pas: How can you seriously ask that after 2016?
A google search would answer your first question.
Felanius Kootea
@Kraux Pas: Huh? “Fun fact no white man has ever lost a presidential election…” John McCain, Mitt Romney…
Kraux Pas
Like this.
@Felanius Kootea: And every losing candidate before the two you mentioned as well. It’s almost like that wasn’t meant to be taken seriously.
Anne Laurie
Here’s my November 5th post on the ‘breaking news‘. Guess I’m still too much of an optimist — I assumed Steyer would be forced out, not Harris. C.R.E.A.M.!
Related story, about Steyer’s Iowa campaign, just a few days later in November. Maybe, probably, he’s not *technically* violating the rules against straight-up buying votes right now… but I surely would like to see some of the other candidates bring these stories up, at the debate!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
does anyone here understand Andrew Yang’s appeal? if so, can you enlighten me in a few words
Anne Laurie
Old Yiddish proverb: When you are rich, you are wise, well-read, good lucking… and you sing beautifully, too!
Felanius Kootea
@Kraux Pas: No it’s like Democrat’s need to remember history and plan for backlash following major progress. Not wring their hands and quickly give up like we’re back in Reconstruction. The US waited 90 years for the next black Senator. Who wants to wait 90 years for the next female or black president?
Kraux Pas
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yang has one compelling new idea that he’s promoting.
Does that idea have to be studied more before we could even consider implementation? Hell, yes
Would he be able to sell it to enough of the American public to get a Congress that would pass it? Almost certainly not.
Will it get him the nomination? See last answer.
Will it get him enough support to make the debates? Apparently.
@Felanius Kootea: I agree with what you’re saying here, I’m just confused as to how this is a response to what I said.
Steeplejack (phone)
@Felanius Kootea:
Please adjust your snarkmeter, or give it a good whack.
Anne Laurie
My unsympathetic old person’s take on Yang’s supporters? He disrupts the paradigms, maaaan!
If you’re still, emotionally or actually, living in your parents’ spare room (garage, cabana, guest house, rental property) getting a thousand bucks a month free money while simultaneously pissing off all the normies… sounds pretty sweet.
(I can forgive the actual teenagers in the Yang Gang. The 30-somethings still pretending to be 20-somethings, not so much.)
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
@PsiFighter37: I don’t think he would be a good president. But he wants to spend money on voters that have been overlooked this cycle – I think that’s a good thing.
zhena gogolia
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Can’t help you there.
zhena gogolia
West of the Rockies
@Anne Laurie:
Anne, is that a papillon in your front page profile? S/he is a cutie.
Anne Laurie
@West of the Rockies: Yup, our much loved (recently deceased) rescue Zevon. Who *earned* that name, lemme tell you!
We still have rescue papillons Gloria (age 15) and Sydney (age 13).
They’re not the breed for everyone — they *can* be barky, and they’re too small to be safe around young kids — but for us, they’re perfect!
Kraux Pas
Especially if all that is true while you’re working two jobs and stable independent housing still looks like a pipe dream to you.
Something he definitely has right is that we need better metrics for how the economy is performing. The stock market is doing wonderfully. That doesn’t mean all the rest of us are.
Kent
@Anne Laurie: So Sanders did the same exact thing to Clinton in 2016. Can we be rid of BOTH of them?
Another Scott
@Kraux Pas: The stock market is doing exactly what it should be doing. If the economy is growing, then of course the stock market will (eventually) be making records all the time.
Kevin Drum – The Stock Market Looks Totally Normal.
(Of course, individual stocks, and individual sectors can have their own issues.)
Normal people, though, aren’t seeing the benefits of the growing economy, and haven’t since 2000 (and 1980 in many cases). And employment indicators, wages, and other indicators are softening…
Cheers,
Scott.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Anne Laurie:
He enjoyed every sandwich? Sorry for your loss.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Anne Laurie:
that’s how I feel about a different political cult, if you’re old enough to drink, you’re too old to believe in Bernie Dumbledore
Kraux Pas
Pretty much exactly what I was trying to get at.
CarolPW
@West of the Rockies: Thanks very much for mentioning that, because it made me go find whatever you had seen, and I enjoyed looking at all of them!
ruemara
@Duane: I call her Columbusina, because she recently discovered us. That’s why she, Buttigieg and Sanders does so poorly with the blacks. They all woke up and said, “Oh, you have, like, thoughts and differences from me? Weird.”
Blanket response. I don’t care who your bloody choice is. Everyone left in the race besides Booker woke up the day after declaring candidacy and said, whoa, Negroes matter? Whodathunkit?
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Ratfucking, & liberaltarianism .
@Kraux Pas: Whiteness. It’s not just a problem on the right. Biases are very hard to deal with if you’re not able to say, hey, I’m biased because I’m born and raised in a biased culture. Most on the left feel that if you’re not a literal nazi, & you can say all are equal, then you’re free of unconscious bias. That’s not how it works. It’s “discomfort” with a POC in charge. It’s the urge to keep explaining to them what you believe their experiences/thoughts/actions mean.
Take it from a black person who’s lived only among very liberal folks, I get to say no I don’t have a kid, yes I do have a college degree an awful lot.
Kraux Pas
@ruemara: I wouldn’t mind that your interpretation was less-than-charitable if it also wasn’t less than fair. First, just because a group has a preference it doesn’t mean they necessarily dislike all of the other options (maybe specific ones, yes). Second, that support is going to a white man trying to take sole credit for the successes (but just the successes) of the recent administration led by a black man. I doubt that’s the reason for their support, but what I’m saying is ahit is complicated and you can’t just infer that a giant group of people share your reasoning.
Barbara
@ruemara: I honestly think that her lack of support relates more to voters not wanting to take the risk that a woman cannot be elected. I am not disagreeing with you per se, but I don’t think Warren stands out in the field as an outlier when it comes to courting African American voters only at the last minute. She has been in SC for many events.
Felanius Kootea
@Kraux Pas:
@Steeplejack (phone):
I lost my snark meter late November 2016 :-).
Barbara
Seconded. And I feel sure it will never be what it once was.
West of the Rockies
@CarolPW:
They’re cute little dogs. I fond of Lhasa Apsos, too, but we recently picked up a Sheepadoodle puppy. She is crazy-cute, very bright, and energetic. My fiancee is training her to be a therapy dog to assist with her clients.
Mnemosyne
@Kraux Pas:
rikyrah pointed out a few days ago that Joe Biden has been campaigning for Black Democratic politicians pretty much since the day he was elected Obama’s running mate. Any one of them who asked got an endorsement and often an actual public appearance with Joe.
That kind of bread-and-butter politicking still goes WAY further than the Twitter hordes would lead you to believe.
Kraux Pas
@Mnemosyne: What’s Twitter and whence does it derive hordes?
Mnemosyne
@Kraux Pas:
Har-har. Way to evade the actual point that it’s only a mystery to clueless white people why Biden is doing so well with Black voters. It ain’t just Obama’s coattails. Joe actually DID THE WORK, unlike the rest of the remaining candidates.
Betsy
w@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Bros.
Kraux Pas
All of it by himself to hear him tell it.
Zelma
@Barbara:
I think it’s more than just being afraid of nominating another woman and seeing her lose to Trump. I think unconsciously, Warren reminds them of Hillary (blond hair, same style, lots of programs, etc.) and that makes people even more likely to fear a defeat. I know I am not immune to such fears.
Mnemosyne
@Kraux Pas:
Whatever, dude. Sorry you still think the upcoming election is a fucking game that you don’t have to bother to understand.
Kraux Pas
@Mnemosyne: Sorry you feel the need to impugn the motivations of anyone who doesn’t feel the need to protect a candidate from any and all criticism if he happens to be thr front-runner.
Actually not so sorry considering you feel the need to hang me with the collective perceived sins of people on a platform I have literally never engaged with.
Butter Emails
I’m going to throw this out there. I suspect there’s 4 key reasons.
1. Unlike Biden and Hillary, Warren just doesn’t have the long term ties with the AA community. She’s a newcomer to them, so there’s no base of support within the community with the exception of a handful of Boston area politicians
2. The median African American Democratic voter is on average more conservative than the median white Democratic voter on an array of social and economic issues. Warren’s a very liberal candidate and has a reputation as being very liberal so her lack of appeal and difficulty gaining support isn’t surprising
3. Risk aversion. Let’s face it. Hillary getting beat by Trump makes must people a bit wary of nominating another woman. The safer bet is considered by many to be a white guy. African Americans have more to lose than us pasty white liberals if Trump wins again so they’re less willing to take a gamble on a far left woman who bares a lot of similarities to Hillary.
4. Misogyny. It’s not one of the top three reasons, but it’s there and it’s deeply intertwined with item 3
West of the Rockies
Truth be told, I think Joe can beat Trump, can restore some dignity and humanity to the office. I think he can get stuff done, too.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Jason Johnson has put together a sort of focus group of black voters over 60 to give him their views on the primary
Butter Emails
@Kraux Pas:
Are there any candidates who aren’t currently in the race who you feel did the work and if so, why didn’t their support among African Americans reflect it?
Mnemosyne
@Kraux Pas:
I explained WHY Black voters like Joe Biden.
You dismissed it out of hand and instead tried to claim that he’s lying about it.
Sorry you think that lying about other people’s candidates is “vetting” them.
Felanius Kootea
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Reminds me of the reaction to the Virginia governor.
I’m still shaken after seeing “Just Mercy” which is set in 80s Alabama, not 50s or 60s Alabama. As an immigrant it gives me a healthy respect for the transactional view outlined.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Johnson’s Council of Elders on Bernie
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Mnemosyne:
It worked so well in 2016, might as well try it again.
Mnemosyne
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
“I’m just talking about her emails and Uranium One as part of the vetting process!” ?
Kent
This is the exact thing I posted about earlier today. The notion of Sanders and to a lesser extent Warren that the root of all evils is economic inequality and the 1%. Which totally lets white people off the hook for the racism and sexism that pervades every faucet of most people’s lives.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Mnemosyne: You left out the Ben Gazi fella.
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Those are some keen views.
But the truth is Biden has always been popular with blacks. I remember Biden addressing the NAACP in 2012 and he was so natural.
Kraux Pas
@Mnemosyne: You dismissed it out of hand and instead tried to claim that he’s lying about it.
Actually, I implied that he’s a braggart.
Also, long-time gladhandling politician has a lot of connections. News at 11.
And just because I don’t find your reason personally compelling doesn’t mean I dismiss it. I’ve heard it before. I read this site every day and follow many, many links that people provide here. That argument has made the rounds, I think it was even front-paged. What did you expect? “Oh my God that changes everything. Who cares that he has been enabling the worst impulses of US elected officials since the dawn of time?”
ETA: What exactly did I lie about?
burnspbesq
OT, but noteworthy for those who care about such things:
After 59 consecutive losses to North Carolina in Chapel Hill, Clemson’s men’s basketball team finally got a road win against the Tar Heels on Saturday.
Mnemosyne
@Kraux Pas:
What exactly are you arguing here? That Black voters don’t actually prefer Joe Biden to the other candidates? That you know Black voters can’t really prefer him because you hate him?
No one is saying that YOU have to like Joe Biden. We’re not even saying that you have to vote for him. We’re just pointing out the FACT that Joe Biden does, in fact, have deep and longtime ties to Black Democrats, and that these ties are why he is still the top choice of Black Democrats.
You seem to be arguing that Biden is exaggerating his ties, but I can’t figure out to what purpose. Are all of the Black voters being polled actually lying? Are the stories that people posted untrue? What is the point in insisting that Biden did NOT spend years cultivating Black voters despite all of the evidence showing that’s what he did?
And the lie is when you insist that Biden didn’t do the things that several people have already posted articles showing that he did. Is all of that evidence fake, or do you just not want to hear it?
Kraux Pas
@Mnemosyne: Actually it’s his role in the Obama administration I think he exaggerates.
And I actually think it’s a good thing he has strong ties in the black community, just to the extent that it isn’t used as a knock against the other candidates or a reason not to discuss why he might not be such a great nominee.
Omnes Omnibus
@Mnemosyne: I don’t want to put words in KP’s mouth but I think that many people who do not like Biden look on his support for the Crime Bill in the ’90s and the fact that he was late to the table on the crack/cocaine sentencing disparity and conclude that AA support for him is illogical.
Kraux Pas
@Omnes Omnibus: Actually I could get past the crime bill if it stood alone. It had a lot of support including in the black community and it wasn’t well understood until later the harm it would do.
But put that with the PATRIOT Act, the Iraq War AUMF, the bankruptcy bill, his current support for criminalizing unauthorized border crossings ratger than treating them as a civil matter, et c., then it starts to look like a pattern. An awfully authoritarian one.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Omnes Omnibus: Except the Congressional Black Caucus supported the crime bill in the 90’s.
Mnemosyne
@Kraux Pas:
It’s not a “knock” on the other nominees to point out that Biden’s relative lock on the African American vote is a potential obstacle to them winning the nomination. Sorry that the facts suck for everyone else, but that’s not the fault of the facts.
@Omnes Omnibus:
I think that a lot of Black voters know Biden’s past history and are willing to look past it because of his more recent history.
And, as one of the articles quoted above so wisely put it, Biden will be in their debt if they help get him elected, and they feel he’s honorable enough to follow through on his promises to them.
Don’t get me started on the crime bill because I’ll get pissed all over again that Sanders got a free pass for fucking VOTING YES ON IT while Hillary got excoriated for an interview supporting it. Christ.
Kraux Pas
Well, my initial response was to someone who was trying to present it that way. She’s not alone in doing so either.
Mnemosyne
@Kraux Pas:
Again, you’re under no obligation to actually listen to Black voters when they tell you their candid opinion of your favorite candidate, but not dismissing their opinions out of hand may save you a nasty surprise later when you find out that they had their finger on the pulse of more voters than you realized.
ETA: And just to clear up any confusion, I am not Black, so I am not referring to myself.
Kraux Pas
@Mnemosyne: I’ve listened. I’ve heard and understood why black people are supporting Biden, as we have been over multiple times. And ruemara’s personal opinions about the other candidates don’t extrapolate to the entire rest of the black community.
Listening does not mean I find the reason persuasive. It’s also really frustrating how often these two concepts are conflated.
Jinchi
I missed the news about Steyer stealing Harris’s voter data. What happened there?
2liberal
@Jinchi: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tom-steyer-kamala-harris-steyer-staffer-accused-of-stealing-voter-data/
Kraux Pas
@Mnemosyne: but not dismissing their opinions out of hand may save you a nasty surprise later when you find out that they had their finger on the pulse of more voters than you realized.
I wanted to add that just because the largest portion of people currently don’t agree with me WRT Biden, it doesn’t mean that can’t change. I try to make my case, discuss the pros and cons of the candidates.
But it seems you’d rather argue against my right to make that argument at all. Then you mischaracterize my views and tell me I’m the one not listening.
If a front-runner can’t handle a little light criticism on an obscure-ass blog then that’s a problem. It’s not like I’m up here bleating about Burisma or some dumb shit like that. He made a lot of consequential bad decisions in the past and ignoring them won’t make them go away.
ruemara
@Kraux Pas: I didn’t ask you to render judgement on whether my assessment was charitable. It has zero to do with whether anyone dislikes her. It has a lot to do with her lack of connection to black communities
@Barbara: So?
You guys ask, and then you get upset when you don’t like the answer. You are literally discussing why she’s not getting black support, I’m telling you why and you’re talking about my personal tastes when the empirical numbers are right in front of you. It’s not misogyny. HRC had a lot of black support. Try to listen and then take that back to the campaign.
sab
@David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch: Steyer supports term limits. As an Ohioan livin with the consequences of term limits, that alone is disqualifying. Hemay be icher than God, but he knows less about politics than a first term school board member.
ruemara
@Omnes Omnibus: *scream in frustration* Goddammit. Y’all don’t want us to answer, so stop asking.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@sab: Term limits are evil, we have them here in California…Steyer should know about the problems they create since he’s from here.
Kraux Pas
@ruemara: But where I disagree with you is this notion that she isn’t trying to make those connections or those connections can’t possibly be made. A 40+ year history in politics is a lot to be up against. All those years bring a complete different set of problems though.
James E Powell
@Mnemosyne:
This seems completely reasonable.
sab
@ruemara: I am a Warren supporter. My impression is that AA voters don’t believe that Warren actually cares about their issues. That she thinks it is all economic, but they know it is much more than that.
I am white and privileged. I have white ancestors in America back to mid 17th century. I also have black grandchildren with American ancestry back as far. Also have Chinese inlaws who came in the 1980s.
I do hear you on mistrust of Warren. She theoretically cares about race, but it is not visceral.
My dad’s nurse’s aide didn’t show up for work five years ago. I thought he had overslept ( he had.) His mother feared he might have been shot by cops. A reasonable fear. At the time her kid was a normal kid and my stepkid was a druggy fuckup. Yet she reasonably feared police with her kid and I did not.
We live in different worlds in the same country.
TS (the original)
@West of the Rockies:
Any democrat will get stuff done – if they have the support of congress. I followed the Obama years closely and didn’t see Joe do anything of great note. My biggest regret was that he could do nothing about gun control when Obama gave him that job after the Sandy Hook murders.
Aussie Sheila
I don’t want to get into a s fight here about candidates, although I have a preference. Most people here would be thankful I don’t get to vote in either primaries or main elect. However at the risk of p ing off everyone here, I posted below regarding holding the current regime and its enablers to account, presuming the us centre left can get its act together in November.
I am honestly curious as to how a subsequent regime can hold a previous one to account in your polity. Since your President is both head of state and prime minister as well as Party head, I understand a reluctance to prosecute for previous misdeamenors, since there is no standing body able to stop your President from claiming what power s/he can get away with. However the current criminal that we are told is ‘leader of the free world’, ( vomit) will be the first of many like him unless there is a reckoning, and I am unclear how this will happen. While many here would prefer Biden, and it seems to me he is more likely than not to win the nom, does anyone have any idea how the crims that currently run the US can be held to account afterwards?
If not, do you think the US has finally arrived at the Latin American status that it has assiduously worked to impose on the rest of the world?
Keith P
It’s just now dawning on me that “Feel the Stey” is not a very good campaign slogan.
Omnes Omnibus
@ruemara: I was talking about the views of white people who do not accept the fact that many AA voters favor Biden. These are views that I believe many white progressives project onto Black voters.
Another Scott
@Aussie Sheila: Laws cannot constrain people who are willing to break them. Norms cannot constrain people who are willing to break them.
Ultimately, “people are policy”.
It’s a tough problem. We need to be willing to elect people that put respect for the law, norms, and the system, above their personal financial, political, and personal gains. And we need to modernize a lot of features of our electoral system (standards for numbers of polling places and machines, expanded early and remote voting, national standards for IDs and free, easy, and uniform access to IDs, redistricting standards for uniform and compact districts, etc, etc.)
I think Trump is an anomaly. But he is a warning to us that the system is far more brittle than we think, and we need to do more to make it more resilient. People all over the world (Hungary, UK, etc.) are learning the same lessons
My $0.02.
Cheers,
Scott.
catclub
@Felanius Kootea: Also George Bush, John Kerry, Mike Dukakis and Hubert Humphrey.
I could go farther back.
How, about “with a few notable exceptions, a white man has always won the presidential election.”
Miss Bianca
@sab:
Way late to the party, but THERE’S a rotating tag for the ages.