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You are here: Home / Politics / Impeachment Inquiry / Impeachment Hearings / Senate Impeachment Open Thread: Big Contrast

Senate Impeachment Open Thread: Big Contrast

by Anne Laurie|  January 23, 20209:57 pm| 79 Comments

This post is in: Impeachment Hearings, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Republican Venality, Lock Him Up...Lock Them All Up

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“Based on what I've seen in this impeachment trial so far, it's pretty clear that there are some Republicans who are challenged on the concept of conflict of interest.” Warren on GOP claims that she can’t sit on Trump’s impeachment trial while running for his seat. pic.twitter.com/kqtTJBU2uW

— Kadia Goba (@kadiagoba) January 23, 2020

"We see in the timeline laid out yesterday by Adam Schiff just evidence of mounting corruption within the Trump Administration. That's basically what this impeachment is all about." – Warren before going into Senate chambers on Day 3 of President Trump's impeachment trial.

— Kadia Goba (@kadiagoba) January 23, 2020

The “loyal” opposition:

Tried to ask Ted Cruz if he defends Trump conduct on Ukraine, and if Trump call with Zelensky was “perfect.” He said: “You asked a question last night let me let someone else ask a question.” Then @npfandos asked the same question, he ignored it. He took one other q, then split

— Manu Raju (@mkraju) January 24, 2020

Eastern and Byzantine despots in the Middle Ages liked to employ eunuchs who were not a threat to the dynasty and remained loyal to the master since they were viscerally despised outside the palace.
It's nice that modern medical technology has allowed them to grow facial hair. https://t.co/21AjBJ4mVs

— Slava Malamud (@SlavaMalamud) January 23, 2020

Representing Indiana:

Wait, you’re tweeting this out yourself? You think this makes you look … good? https://t.co/aHB0R0Mb8W

— Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) January 23, 2020

The saying used to be "there is always a tweet"… now there is a the saying "there is always a photo with Lev for anyone defending Trump" pic.twitter.com/gwf4ARKhKw

— Grandpa Rufus ™ (@Grandpa_Rufus) January 23, 2020


There is no amount of swear words that could possibly describe how utterly shitty a human being this Tennessee Senator is. She has clearly chosen Vindman as her cause celebre because he is an immigrant and the red hat brigade in her state loves hearing immigrants being dunked on.

— Slava Malamud (@SlavaMalamud) January 23, 2020

Of course Vindman is not patriotic enough for this here "busy mama." All he did was shed blood for America, not even having the good sense to go the extra mile and get born here.
What a loser!
Now, Trump, who actually badmouthed this country constantly, there is a real patriot!

— Slava Malamud (@SlavaMalamud) January 23, 2020

When they say things like this, that have been demonstrated to be false, press needs to push the harder:

Did you not listen to the House managers?
Did you listen but not understand them?
Do you simply not believe them?
Do you take this as seriously as you would jury duty? https://t.co/z5WWndxg2H

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) January 24, 2020

Lankford repeats something that has become true: Because Trump admits to crimes in public, Republicans are less likely to hold him accountable for the crimes. https://t.co/u0BaijYrhZ

— emptywheel (@emptywheel) January 23, 2020

Also, probably none of Doug Jones’ constituents will listen to this who weren’t voting for him anyway, but it’s still good:

I know I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but I practiced law for over 40 years and I just can't understand why we shouldn't be able to access witnesses and documents that we know contain relevant information. pic.twitter.com/gV9wcvDiXg

— Doug Jones (@SenDougJones) January 23, 2020

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    January 23, 2020 at 10:06 pm

    probably none of Doug Jones’ constituents will listen to this who weren’t voting for him anyway,

    In Alabama, they’re called black people.

  2. 2.

    chopper

    January 23, 2020 at 10:08 pm

    so if warren doesn’t go to vote on impeachment she’s not doing her job, and if she does it’s a conflict of interest.

  3. 3.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 23, 2020 at 10:09 pm

    Fuck the Zergnet gossipy bullshit ads.

  4. 4.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 23, 2020 at 10:10 pm

    @chopper: Check and mate, loser libtard.

  5. 5.

    Dadadadadadada

    January 23, 2020 at 10:11 pm

    Mike Braun looks like Ned Ryerson. But, like, more like Ned Ryerson than Ned Ryerson. He is the meta-Ned Ryerson. What Ned Ryerson is to a normal person, Mike Braun is to Ned Ryerson.

  6. 6.

    chopper

    January 23, 2020 at 10:12 pm

    a drinking game with milk? what kind of lame candy-ass shit is this?

  7. 7.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 23, 2020 at 10:13 pm

    @chopper: The only drinks permitted in the Senate chamber are water and milk. That’s what he’s referring to.

  8. 8.

    Another Scott

    January 23, 2020 at 10:13 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: It’s not Parnas.  It’s been debunked.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  9. 9.

    WaterGirl

    January 23, 2020 at 10:17 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: I had read on BJ earlier that that had been debunked.  That it was some 19-year old somebody that the trumps knew.  But I don’t have the source

    never mind.  scott beat me to it, and of course, he has the link. no surprise there  :-)

  10. 10.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 23, 2020 at 10:17 pm

    @Another Scott: I will delete the comment. Thank you.

  11. 11.

    chopper

    January 23, 2020 at 10:17 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    yeah but that ain’t true for those of us following at home.

  12. 12.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 23, 2020 at 10:17 pm

    @WaterGirl: Take all the joy out of my life.//

  13. 13.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 23, 2020 at 10:19 pm

    @chopper: Canadian moose milk!

    https://www.cmfmag.ca/best_2015/best-of-2017-22-moose-milk-recipe/

  14. 14.

    WaterGirl

    January 23, 2020 at 10:20 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: If only that weren’t true!

  15. 15.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 23, 2020 at 10:24 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Any reports on pictures of Lev bounding around the Moon with Neil and Buzz, Lev debating Nixon and JFK, Lev aboard the Missouri, Lev being every one of the ironworkers having lunch on that I-beam well above New York City?

  16. 16.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 23, 2020 at 10:25 pm

    Question for the group: has anyone seen Siubhanduinne in the comments lately?

  17. 17.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 23, 2020 at 10:25 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: Only if elected or appointed Republican officials were there too.

  18. 18.

    jl

    January 23, 2020 at 10:25 pm

    “I don’t see an issue at this point, going through that and it just sounds like the president had a normal conversation that is no different than what he said in public places.”

    Trump has clearly been setting this up. If he blabs about crimes in public, hey, why would he do that if it were a crime? It’s a juvenile stunt that impresses only fools and fellow crooks.

    A substandard Costanza ‘Was that wrong? Is that frowned upon here. No one told me?’ move

    He didn’t get impeached when he stood in front of cameras and asked China to investigate Biden and Warren for unspecified corruption, for which not a iota of evidence has ever been produced? Did he? No. Clearly, that was not wrong, then.

  19. 19.

    jl

    January 23, 2020 at 10:29 pm

    Lev has pix with everyone. We sinister Deep State  coup plotters are hiding them in our sock drawers. A pic with Lev means nothing. Except, I didn’t get any stinking money out of it. I guess that is the difference between Trump and me.

  20. 20.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 23, 2020 at 10:30 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Yes.  Yesterday I believe.

  21. 21.

    WaterGirl

    January 23, 2020 at 10:31 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: yes!  quite a bit, actually

  22. 22.

    NotMax

    January 23, 2020 at 10:32 pm

    @Adam L. Silverman

    Yes indeedy.

  23. 23.

    WaterGirl

    January 23, 2020 at 10:32 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: I think he’s in some of my baby pictures.  I’ll check and get back to you.

  24. 24.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 23, 2020 at 10:33 pm

    @jl: Oprah had some film stock to use up.  “You Rethuglican Trump trash get a picture with Lev!  You get a picture with Lev!  All you Rethuglican Trump trash get a picture with Lev!”

  25. 25.

    NotMax

    January 23, 2020 at 10:34 pm

    @mrmoshpotato

    Tough to decide which is the better composed shot, Lev posing with Amelia Earhart or Lev with Judge Crater.

    ;)

  26. 26.

    jl

    January 23, 2020 at 10:35 pm

    @mrmoshpotato:  Laundered foreign campaign money under every big shot’s seat…. democracy!

  27. 27.

    chris

    January 23, 2020 at 10:37 pm

    Lt Col Vindman’s name came up a lot today including just now in Schiff’s closer. A very good speech btw. Anyhow, when the shitgibbon is gone can Marsha Blackburn be next? And this other LT Col?

    I don’t even think Q could have predicted that one of its adherents would become a social media whisperer for a U.S. Senator. pic.twitter.com/D3JQXuVMgv— Jim Swift (@JimSwiftDC) 24 January 2020

  28. 28.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 23, 2020 at 10:38 pm

    @NotMax: I’ve heard rumors that Lev is also every one of the seven dwarfs.

  29. 29.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 23, 2020 at 10:40 pm

    @jl: Broskovich, rubles much softer than US money.  Good cushion.

  30. 30.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 23, 2020 at 10:40 pm

    The fix, it is in.

    In opening statements, House managers examined the debunked conspiracy theories invoked by Pres. Trump.

    A @POTUS confidant tells CBS News that GOP senators were warned: “vote against the president & your head will be on a pike.”

    Here's @nancycordes https://t.co/LV1Y6QveIh pic.twitter.com/tLB9EpoWr8

    — CBS Evening News (@CBSEveningNews) January 23, 2020

  31. 31.

    NotMax

    January 23, 2020 at 10:41 pm

    @mrmoshpotato

    There’s a competing theory that Giuliani is Dopey.

  32. 32.

    kindness

    January 23, 2020 at 10:41 pm

    While we all figured Republicans will not vote to impeach, I wasn’t sure how the media would play that.  Yea the Pravdas will toe the Trump line and proclaim Democrats traitors worthy of punishment how would the conventional media play it?  I still think most of the MSM will move on to the next shiny object a week after the vote to acquit but the cracks in the ranks we are seeing is pleasing.  Hell even Peggy Noonan is calling for witnesses (although she thinks calling the Bidens is kosher (it isn’t)).  My real hope is that Republicans so overplay their hand that even center right folk are disgusted enough to vote them out.  We can all dream, right?

  33. 33.

    hitchhiker

    January 23, 2020 at 10:41 pm

    Adam fucking schiff.

    Damn, we actually have a man who has risen to the moment. Go find the last few minutes of his closing if you weren’t watching.

  34. 34.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 23, 2020 at 10:44 pm

    @WaterGirl: @mrmoshpotato: Okay, I sent her an email over the weekend and haven’t heard back and was getting worried.

  35. 35.

    Cheryl Rofer

    January 23, 2020 at 10:44 pm

    Thread of pieces of Schiff’s closing speech

    .@RepAdamSchiff begins with a close reading of the July 25 call—one that shows the depths of Trump's corruption. pic.twitter.com/BUQwwFucov

    — The Moscow Project (@moscow_project) January 24, 2020

  36. 36.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 23, 2020 at 10:45 pm

    @NotMax: I thought Ghouliani was the eighth dwarf Trashy?

  37. 37.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 23, 2020 at 10:48 pm

    @chris: Hickman wasn’t Vindman’s commanding officer. He wasn’t even in Vindman’s chain of command. Hickman was an observer/controller at an exercise at the Joint Military Training Center (JMRC) at Hohenfells in Germany. He claims that he overhead Vindman, who was then a major, badmouthing America to non-American military personnel we were partnering with at the training exercise. There is nothing that validates or vindicates Hickman’s claims. And Vindman’s actual commanding officer at the time, a US Army general officer who was then the Senior Defense Official (SDO) at Embassy Moscow, has come out defending him.

  38. 38.

    Kay

    January 23, 2020 at 10:50 pm

    Doug Jones
    @SenDougJones
    I know I’m starting to sound like a broken record, but I practiced law for over 40 years and I just can’t understand why we shouldn’t be able to access witnesses and documents that we know contain relevant information.

    I just like him. He seems so decent. Can we possibly save him from being defeated by some horrible sleazy Trumpster?

  39. 39.

    Dr. Ronnie James, D.O.

    January 23, 2020 at 10:50 pm

    Blackburn blathering about the chain of command – completely ignorant – Vindman was in fact following the Chain of Command – the one spelled out in his oath of enlistment (and oath of office he swore when he was commissioned) when he pledged his allegiance first to uphold the Constitution of the United States, and *then* do what the CIC and his CO said.

  40. 40.

    chris

    January 23, 2020 at 10:52 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: I’d expect no less from someone who thinks that Qanon is interesting. Thanks for the info and I must say that I am shocked that US senator would tell such a blatant lie. No, not really.

  41. 41.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 23, 2020 at 10:52 pm

    @Kay: He is either going to wind up running against Judge Roy Moore, the last law west of the junior high or Attorney General Jefferson Beauregard Sessions.

  42. 42.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 23, 2020 at 10:54 pm

    @chris: Hickman is retired. And apparently a kook. He took a chance to grab some wing nut spotlight and did. I haven’t bothered to even ping my friends at US Army Europe about him because it just isn’t worth bothering them.

  43. 43.

    WaterGirl

    January 23, 2020 at 10:56 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: SD told me awhile back that she had been slow on email, so don’t take it personally.

  44. 44.

    Kay

    January 23, 2020 at 10:56 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Well, we want Moore then right? I keep thinking I’ll adopt a less popular senator but I haven’t done it yet. It’s Doug Jones or Gary Peters.

  45. 45.

    J R in WV

    January 23, 2020 at 10:56 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    If not earlier today, then she (SiubhanDuinne) commented yesterday. She told us her arm/wrist was healed and she was back to work with both hands.

  46. 46.

    Raoul

    January 23, 2020 at 10:59 pm

    That photo of Braun between Rudy and Lev is what Speaker Boehner (ret.) might call a crap sandwich.

  47. 47.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 23, 2020 at 10:59 pm

    @J R in WV: Oh crap.  Blog enforcer is back in full force.

  48. 48.

    Duane

    January 23, 2020 at 11:00 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: That may be true, but Republican senators sure the hell sound drunk.

  49. 49.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 23, 2020 at 11:00 pm

    @WaterGirl: You definitely don’t want me taking it professionally.

  50. 50.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 23, 2020 at 11:01 pm

    @Kay: I think Sessions is pretty damaged goods at this point too, but yes, I think Moore is an easier lift.

  51. 51.

    Raoul

    January 23, 2020 at 11:02 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Nahh, Cruz is just voluntarily making a further namby-ass twerp of himself. “Bartender, another shot of warm milk before I go home and get ignored by my wife!”

  52. 52.

    Bill Arnold

    January 23, 2020 at 11:02 pm

    Having fun playing spot-the-bots on the replies to Marsha Blackburn’s tweets today, by profile, with https://botsentinel.com and manual checks to confirm.
    Sample profile. Bot or not?:

    I Am the Man in the [email protected]
    Text Trump to 88022 #MAGA #KAG2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMPWARRIOR #CULT45 Don’t be the One that Exclaims “I Could Have Done More.” Karma is Real. No DM’s/Links/Porn
    Joined December 2019

    Every tweet supporter of Marsha Blackburn of the 6 that I’ve checked is at least a propaganda account. (She’s getting seriously ratio-d with negative replies.) (There was one that was a non-native speaker that at least had original tweets.)

  53. 53.

    zhena gogolia

    January 23, 2020 at 11:02 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    He is a stone hero.

  54. 54.

    chris

    January 23, 2020 at 11:02 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: After General (!) Flynn what’s one more?

  55. 55.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 23, 2020 at 11:05 pm

    Claire McCaskill reporting that her sources, i.e., she strongly hints, sitting Senators, are telling her trump and McConnell want this over by next Friday. Because trump will be interviewed on SuperBowl Sunday, and wants to be able to gloat.

  56. 56.

    Kay

    January 23, 2020 at 11:06 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Name recognition is everything. I’m always amazed at how many people just pick the familiar name. It’s disappointing. It’s why Mike DeWine is the governor of Ohio. There are no other reasons.

  57. 57.

    Cheryl Rofer

    January 23, 2020 at 11:07 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: Well, that gives me chills

  58. 58.

    TS (the original)

    January 23, 2020 at 11:08 pm

    Warren on GOP claims that she can’t sit on Trump’s impeachment trial while running for his seat.

    Anyone in the GOP said the same about Sanders? Anyone in the media reported this about Sanders?

  59. 59.

    chris

    January 23, 2020 at 11:08 pm

    @Bill Arnold: Wow, Marsha needs to have her head candled.

  60. 60.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 23, 2020 at 11:09 pm

    McCaskill asks Schumer about “the phones”, what are constituents saying, Schumer says they’re “pretty good, not overwhelming” like with health care

  61. 61.

    Cheryl Rofer

    January 23, 2020 at 11:09 pm

    @zhena gogolia: So good to see someone standing up for the country that way.

  62. 62.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 23, 2020 at 11:13 pm

    Michael McAuliff @ mmcauliff
    John Barrasso (R-Wyo) on Schiff’s scathing you-can’t-trust-Trump closing tonight: “I think people on our side were absolutely offended by what he had to say.”

    the bad-faith pose of “how dare you!” is astounding to me, even after the last three years

  63. 63.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 23, 2020 at 11:14 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: They also want it over with before the State of the Union so the President can use his address to rub it into Pelosi’s face on national television for an hour. And the State of the Union is the Tuesday after the Super Bowl.

  64. 64.

    chris

    January 23, 2020 at 11:14 pm

    Legal opinion, please.

    NEW: The House has filed a letter with the Appeals Court arguing that Trump's impeachment lawyers have completely contradicted their arguments in the McGahn case. pic.twitter.com/uiS4l9mDnu— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) 24 January 2020

  65. 65.

    mad citizen

    January 23, 2020 at 11:15 pm

    @Dadadadadadada: You are spot on with this Ned Ryerson observation!  Braun is my Senator.  Self-made business guy from Southern Indiana.  Has always struck me as quite dumb.  Had more hair, or a better combover, in the 2018 campaign.

  66. 66.

    Cheryl Rofer

    January 23, 2020 at 11:17 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: The only reasonable reply to that is ef goldman’s FUCKEM

  67. 67.

    jl

    January 23, 2020 at 11:17 pm

    @TS (the original): ” Anyone in the GOP said the same about Sanders? Anyone in the media reported this about Sanders? ”

    They’ll say it about each one of them, as soon as they make a statement that hits the news. Before this is over, there will be howls about the five (? I think 5) Dem Senators running for president and they all should recuse themselves for a conflict of interest. If they don’t they are more corrupt than poor innocent Trump could ever even dream.

    Edit: has the advantage of getting bogus corruption smears at half the Democratic field ‘out there’ in one swoop, so that news media hacks can hound them about it, and wonder whether voters are ‘satisfied’ with their pathetic pleas that they are not corrupt, or not.. That will impress Trump mightily.

  68. 68.

    Kay

    January 23, 2020 at 11:17 pm

    @TS (the original):

    OMG, the ethical bankrupts are now weighing in on recusal? Why does she even have to respond to these people?

    Warren has a cute ad at her old elementary school. Woodrow Wilson Elementary, home of the wildcats. That’s what I do instead of listening to Republicans- I watch Warren ads. In a bizarre coincidence Glen Beck once called her “the female Woodrow Wilson” so they invade even my ad watching.

  69. 69.

    jl

    January 23, 2020 at 11:19 pm

    @chris: I’d like one too. But since Trumps legal nightmare team is  bald face lying its ass off, I don’t care whether it works in court or not. The managers need to do everything they can to get the fact that the depraved Trump team is nonstop lying, which I’ve read would result in disciplinary action in any other venue, the news.

  70. 70.

    mad citizen

    January 23, 2020 at 11:21 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: This is sickening.  There had better be a votestorm of major proportions in November.  Any normal citizen can see the con artist and his enablers from a mile away.  Vote you assholes, vote!  (Message aimed at all non voters)

  71. 71.

    Raoul

    January 23, 2020 at 11:22 pm

    @chris: Not a lawyer, but that letter is certainly a stinging rebuke of DOJ. Good, they deserve it.

  72. 72.

    Cheryl Rofer

    January 23, 2020 at 11:24 pm

    Donald Trump must be convicted and removed from office.

    Because he will always choose his own personal interest over our national interest.

    Because in America, right matters. Truth matters.

    If not, no Constitution can protect us.

    If not, we are lost. pic.twitter.com/USfx6v9KsT

    — Adam Schiff (@RepAdamSchiff) January 24, 2020

  73. 73.

    dww44

    January 23, 2020 at 11:25 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    She was around yesterday.  I’ve not been on BJ much at all today but she was certainly commenting yesterday.

  74. 74.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 23, 2020 at 11:34 pm

    watching Angus King to see if he takes a shot across the bow of the leaky SS Collins– the closest he comes is saying that he’s getting a lot of calls, and they’re 95% in favor of witnesses and documents

  75. 75.

    Another Scott

    January 23, 2020 at 11:37 pm

    Doesn’t get more humiliating than this. Trump is in a meeting with the president of Iraqi Kurdistan Nechirvan Barzani, but he mistakes him for the leader of the Syrian Kurds & goes on & on talking “safezones” in Syria & Turkey. Truly astounding ignorance.

    pic.twitter.com/YQbu4SA3it— Sina Toossi (@SinaToossi) January 22, 2020

    (Sigh)

    Via Popehat.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  76. 76.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    January 23, 2020 at 11:38 pm

    Third-degree burn on Cruz:

    He suggested your father was a criminal and called your wife ugly and here you are wearing his ball sweat like cologne. https://t.co/1MpibxkYOe

    — The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) January 23, 2020

  77. 77.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 24, 2020 at 12:07 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I guess the closing arguments should’ve ended with talking about sexual assault and Dump lusting after one of his own daughters.

  78. 78.

    JoeyJoeJoe

    January 24, 2020 at 12:49 am

    Just on Alabama, there is also a congressman and a football coach running in the Republican primary, and one of them could be the nominee.  The coach was within the margin of error along with Sessions in polls, if I remember right and for whatever the individual polls are worth

  79. 79.

    WaterGirl

    January 24, 2020 at 9:02 am

    @Steeplejack (phone): Possibly on Cruz’s nearly nonexistent balls.

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