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You are here: Home / Politics / Impeachment / Impeachment Trial – January 27, 2020

Impeachment Trial – January 27, 2020

by Cheryl Rofer|  January 27, 20201:13 pm| 74 Comments

This post is in: Impeachment, Live Blogging, Trump Crime Cartel

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Jay Sekulow up. He seems to be the ringmaster for all the President’s lawyers. I’m not going to spend a lot of time on this.

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  1. 1.

    guachi

    January 27, 2020 at 1:17 pm

    Reading captions, his short intro was not defending anything Trump did but attacking the Democrats’ motives for impeachment.

  2. 2.

    Leto

    January 27, 2020 at 1:20 pm

    Listening to Ken Starr speak, in public about anything, reaffirms there’s no God.

    Edit: also listening to Ken Starr speak to the Senate about being “impartial” is just… satire is dead.

  3. 3.

    HRH mistermix, Lord Bombay Sapphire, Duke of Schweppes

    January 27, 2020 at 1:22 pm

    When the facts are against you, argue the law.  When the law is against you, argue the facts.  When both are against you, get that lying piece of shit Sekulow to run his mouth.

  4. 4.

    Yutsano

    January 27, 2020 at 1:29 pm

    At work.

    Can’t watch.

    Probably the better for it.

    Also: automatic double carriage returns suck.

  5. 5.

    takebakawashi

    January 27, 2020 at 1:31 pm

    Starr is droning on about the history of impeachment (including in the UK?); the gall of this motherfucker talking about impeachment having become “a weapon to be wielded against one’s political opponents”

    Please, someone in the gallery get thrown out for shouting, “Call Bolton!”

    Please please please.

  6. 6.

    HalfAssedHomesteader

    January 27, 2020 at 1:34 pm

    Starr is blathering on with his irrelevant history lesson. Determined to make the Republicans’ “boring trial” claim a reality.

  7. 7.

    zhena gogolia

    January 27, 2020 at 1:36 pm

    @takebakawashi:

    Ken Starr unironically lamenting that impeachments are happening "all too frequently" is so much better with a laugh track pic.twitter.com/qmuHjQNe0G— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) January 27, 2020

  8. 8.

    trollhattan

    January 27, 2020 at 1:40 pm

    @Yutsano:

    That’s paragraph spacing at work.
    Use shift+enter for single-line spacing.

  9. 9.

    Aleta

    January 27, 2020 at 1:46 pm

    @takebakawashi: Starr has been “led to reflect” — He’s just a thoughtful, trustworthy guy calmly advising the Senate that it can gently weave a restorative tapestry out of this mysterious language in the Constitution.

  10. 10.

    takebakawashi

    January 27, 2020 at 1:50 pm

    @Aleta: me to Starr: Andrew Johnson article 11? You bullshit-spewing sack of camel exudate, you want the common law of impeachment, look at articles 8 and 10 and get back to me.

  11. 11.

    Amir Khalid

    January 27, 2020 at 1:58 pm

    This is a test.

    Single-line spacing:
    Successful.

    Regular spacing:

    Also successful.

    ETA: Alas, it does not work when the comment is posted.

  12. 12.

    Immanentize

    January 27, 2020 at 2:07 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Try text mode?

  13. 13.

    JPL

    January 27, 2020 at 2:10 pm

    Sen Loeffler’s Cumberland office answered the phone.   I identified myself and gave my address and then asked if she was aware that John Bolton was a lifelong republican who worked for Reagan, both Bushes and Donald Trump.  I found it offensive that she would accuse him of slander without hearing his testimony.   The person was speechless on the other end.   If you live in GA call 770 661 0999.    

  14. 14.

    Another Scott

    January 27, 2020 at 2:15 pm

    @Yutsano: 

    Wonkette LiveBlog Day Whatever.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  15. 15.

    wvng

    January 27, 2020 at 2:19 pm

    @JPL:

    I love this response and shared on Facebook.  I sadly have been limited to calling my two WV senators. Manchin I call and say please keep doing the right thing (today he called for Roberts to decide on the applicability of witnesses to the case). Capito I call to scream at her for a bit.

    As for watching the hearings, I think of that classic bit with a detective standing in front of a fireworks factory on fire saying “nothing to see here.” In the current case, there is actually nothing worth seeing to see here.

  16. 16.

    Sloane Ranger

    January 27, 2020 at 2:22 pm

    So, I wondered how the President’s men would deal with the Bolton reveal and Sekelow (sp?) seemed to be urging Senators’ to ignore it as it’s not a formal statement or document.

    Seems to beg the question that maybe the manuscript and/or its author should be subpoenaed to become so.

    Maybe they’re playing for time waiting for Schiff or Nadler or someone to once again offend Susan Collins delicate sensibilities.

     

    S

  17. 17.

    marklar

    January 27, 2020 at 2:24 pm

    Starr-land vocal band:

    My motto’s always been ‘when it’s right, it’s right’
    Why wait until the middle of a cold dark night?
    When everything’s a little clearer in the light of day
    And we know the Senate’s gonna let him off any way

  18. 18.

    Yutsano

    January 27, 2020 at 2:27 pm

    @Another Scott: Thank you for making my brain even dumber. :P

  19. 19.

    patroclus

    January 27, 2020 at 2:31 pm

    I’ve been watching for an hour and a half and so far, it’s a whole load of nothing.  Sekulow keeps saying they’re going to address the “facts” but they haven’t so far.  Starr was just focused on nonsensical irrelevant historical non-analogies but he did foreshadow a big “reveal” in that Dershowitz is going to talk about Tribe supporting the impeachment of Reagan.  (??!!)  And Sekulow’s big point was showing the sharing of pens when the Pelosi and the House managers signed the Impeachment resolution. (??!!)

  20. 20.

    Bill Arnold

    January 27, 2020 at 2:33 pm

    @Another Scott:
    Evan Hurst is funny. I do wish people would start saying that no f-in “Transcript” has been released! The Ukrainians have a recording; they must be tempted, if they could be sure that Trump couldn’t arrange for Ukraine to be destroyed before Jan 20 2021.

  21. 21.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 27, 2020 at 2:34 pm

    @patroclus:

    but he did foreshadow a big “reveal” in that Dershowitz is going to talk about Tribe supporting the impeachment of Reagan.  (??!!)

    great, is he going to mention that time Larry ate all the good canapés at the Harvard Law Friday afternoon sherry hour, when he knew Dersh had had to skip lunch that day?

  22. 22.

    Raven Onthill

    January 27, 2020 at 2:36 pm

    Moral philosophers will henceforth measure hypocrisy as fractions of a starr.

  23. 23.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 27, 2020 at 2:37 pm

    Brian Schatz @ brianschatz
    Keep. Calling.

  24. 24.

    JPL

    January 27, 2020 at 2:38 pm

    @wvng: I’ll call Perdue tomorrow and ask if he thinks it’s okay to use tax payer funds to investigate Russian conspiracy theories and political opponents.

  25. 25.

    Duane

    January 27, 2020 at 2:39 pm

    @patroclus: If this is a defense of Trumpov these guys are really clueless.  Even I know better. Still with the no quid pro quo. They must be confident Bolton won’t testify, otherwise a competent defense would drop it.

  26. 26.

    bemused

    January 27, 2020 at 2:45 pm

    Trumpie watching and screaming at his defense team, “Why aren’t they yelling, pounding the table and calling the Dems losers?”

  27. 27.

    Just One More Canuck

    January 27, 2020 at 2:46 pm

    @Duane: “competent” – I see the problem here

  28. 28.

    JPL

    January 27, 2020 at 2:49 pm

    @bemused: His call was perfect.   Someone has trump’s phone and he is walking around heavily sedated at this point.

  29. 29.

    bemused

    January 27, 2020 at 2:54 pm

    @JPL:

    I can’t imagine no attention span trumpie could listen longer than first five minutes before getting bored.

  30. 30.

    Duane

    January 27, 2020 at 2:55 pm

    @Bill Arnold: Ukraine can’t be sure Trumpov won’t try to destroy them after Jan. 20, 2021, either. Might be wise to take him out now, if they can.

  31. 31.

    satby

    January 27, 2020 at 3:05 pm

    Adding Ken Starr on the team was a huge fuck you to the Democrats and to the American people who continued to support President Clinton after Starr’s $70 million snipe hunt failed to get a conviction.

    They’re rubbing our collective noses in our utter powerlessness.  They think they are anyway.

  32. 32.

    gene108

    January 27, 2020 at 3:07 pm

    @JPL:

    I take Trump at his word, on this issue.

    In Trump’s mind, extorting someone you have leverage over via a telephone call is a “perfect call”.

  33. 33.

    Kay

    January 27, 2020 at 3:10 pm

    southpaw
    @nycsouthpaw
    ·1h
    Ken Starr isn’t really defending Trump so far, but seemingly regretting his own career choices in pursuing the Clinton investigation.

    Just the EGO on these people. The complete and utter lack of self awareness or shame.

    They needed to be checked LONG ago – but instead they were awarded lifetime sinecures making millions of dollars. Year after year, decade after decade, the worst people got promoted. This is what you’re left with- an “elite” that are fucking low quality buffoons.

    Clean house. They all need to go. No more books, no more university appointments, no more cable tv guest slots. Find better people.

  34. 34.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 27, 2020 at 3:12 pm

    @satby: stunt casting and owning-the-libs by the game show host in the Oval Office

    ETA: Ari Melber on MSNBC is calling Starr’s appearance an “unmitigated disaster”. I think it would be true, if the jury weren’t already pretty much paid off

  35. 35.

    Fair Economist

    January 27, 2020 at 3:12 pm

    @JPL: Go JPL!

  36. 36.

    MisterForkbeard

    January 27, 2020 at 3:17 pm

    @patroclus: The thing about the pens is that the Democrats were smiling during part of that. Therefore they’re just having a lot of fun, this thing is partisan, and obviously we have to throw it out.

    I keed, but I have seen this argument

  37. 37.

    Duane

    January 27, 2020 at 3:17 pm

    The Republican’s concern about the upcoming election is so hypocritical it’s laughable. There can’t be a person left in the US that believes the election will be fair if Trumpov is their candidate.

  38. 38.

    Bill Arnold

    January 27, 2020 at 3:18 pm

    Since Trump’s defense team is bringing it up, these are facts that every reporter should know:
    There’s a huge loophole in the GOP’s claim that Trump’s sale of Javelin missiles to Ukraine shows his support for the country (John Haltiwanger, Jan 23, 2020)

    Under the rules of the sale, the Javelin missiles have to be stored in western Ukraine, which is far from the frontlines of the ongoing conflict in the eastern part of the country (the Donbas region) against pro-Russia separatists.
    In short, the Javelins were essentially provided to Ukraine under the condition that they not be used in the conflict zone.

    Olga Oliker, the director for Europe and Central Asia at the International Crisis Group, recently told Foreign Policy that nonlethal aid is actually considered more helpful than the Javelins, even as Ukrainian officials have celebrated their arrival.
    “While generals and politicians in Kyiv played up the Javelins, in my own experience, soldiers in the field talked more about getting insufficient quantities of the nonlethal aid that they really needed — secure communications, armored vehicles, counterbattery radars,” Oliker said.

  39. 39.

    Kay

    January 27, 2020 at 3:18 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Ken Starr thinks we’re idiots. He thinks he can stand up there and spout this nonsense and none of us will remember his insane, grandstanding pursuit of the Clintons. It’s the reason we’re stuck with him- why we’ve been subjected to his fucking mediocre “work” for 30 years.

    They don’t even go away when they cash in and go to the private sector. They won’t ever, ever go away.

    It’s not enough that they make millions after their government turn on wingnut welfare. They’re back! Over and over, forever.

  40. 40.

    Bill Arnold

    January 27, 2020 at 3:21 pm

    Evan Hurst at Wonkette calls Starr a “Blowjob Investigator”. I’d amend that to a “Respected Blowjob Investigator”.

  41. 41.

    FlipYrWhig

    January 27, 2020 at 3:21 pm

    Wouldn’t it get all the Republican senators off the hook if John Roberts just ruled that there needed to be witnesses?  It’d give them a procedural figleaf and, better yet, someone for the Trumpies to blame.

  42. 42.

    Kay

    January 27, 2020 at 3:21 pm

    Why does the NYTimes continually broadcast the Trump Administration threats to obstruct witnesses with litigation?

    Who needs to hear these threats? How does promoting them serve the public?

    How stupid are they? They haven’t yet figured out this is a tactic intended to intimidate witnesses from appearing?

    No wonder Trump played these people for 50 years. They’re not smart people.

  43. 43.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 27, 2020 at 3:23 pm

    Good on Joe

    Molly Nagle @ MollyNagle3
    JoeBiden says he thinks Bolton’s manuscript makes it more necessary for witnesses to testify in the impeachment trial, but says he doesn’t need to defend himself. “Even if they bring me up! No one has said I’ve done anything that was wrong, period! What is there to defend?” (with video)

  44. 44.

    Duane

    January 27, 2020 at 3:27 pm

    The team of misfits is doing it again! Rudy Colludi is relevant to this trial? Well, thank you. He should be called as a witness.

  45. 45.

    Frankensteinbeck

    January 27, 2020 at 3:28 pm

    @Bill Arnold:

    I do wish people would start saying that no f-in “Transcript” has been released!

    Why?  The thing that was released confesses to asking a foreign government to interfere in an American election.  Everything else is details.  That’s why it’s the only event to seriously move the polls.  We don’t need the original.

  46. 46.

    wvng

    January 27, 2020 at 3:30 pm

    @JPL: There really is no reason for anyone not to be calling their senators. Call your Democratic senators to thanks them for standing up for our country; I understand that Dems are not hearing from their constituents and we must change that. Call your republican senators and ask them why they hate America or, better, ask them the very clever questions JPL has developed.

  47. 47.

    Jinchi

    January 27, 2020 at 3:34 pm

    FYI, for those of you who were wondering if the Dems should trade Biden testimony with the Republicans to get testimony from Bolton, there’s a reason not to play that game.

    That game never ends.

    David Avella: “President Obama, Andrew McCabe, [Peter Strzok], the whistleblower, [Rep. Adam] Schiff all better clear their schedules because they ought to be asked to testify”

  48. 48.

    Bill Arnold

    January 27, 2020 at 3:36 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Why? The thing that was released confesses to asking a foreign government to interfere in an American election.

    Because it’s a lie. A blatant, repeated lie. The main document in question says:

    CAUTION: A Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation (TELCON) is not a verbatim transcript of a discussion. The text in this document records the notes and recollections of Situation Room Duty officers and NSC policy staff assigned to listen and memorialize the conversation in written form as the conversation takes place.

    What was released was a prettied-up version of the conversation. We don’t know how it was edited or what it excluded. A cursory examination shows extemporaneous speech complexities that Trump has not demonstrated in public. (IMO).

  49. 49.

    patroclus

    January 27, 2020 at 3:39 pm

    Jane Raskin just spent 30 minutes “defending” Guiliani by talking about “America’s Mayor,” Carl Sandburg and the “fact” that the Mueller report didn’t find any obstruction of justice (??!!) and concluded that the score is now Guiliani 5 Schiff 0.  (??!!)

  50. 50.

    Mo MacArbie

    January 27, 2020 at 3:51 pm

    Should I call my senators? I’m in NC now, and I’m pretty much at, “Please proceed, senator.” Fuckem

  51. 51.

    James E Powell

    January 27, 2020 at 3:55 pm

    @Kay:

    Ken Starr thinks we’re idiots. He thinks he can stand up there and spout this nonsense and none of us will remember his insane, grandstanding pursuit of the Clintons.

    I think he knows that we – meaning we fairly attentive Democrats – are not idiots, but he is counting on the press/media to avoid or obscure his history so that those who don’t follow things will have no context.

  52. 52.

    trollhattan

    January 27, 2020 at 3:56 pm

    @Kay:

    Yup, the umpty-year Whitewater Investigation, which proved Bill Clinton really likes women and women seem to like Bill Clinton. After that, leading Baylor Rapeversity to awesome heights, so awesome they were embarrassed into letting his ass go. In Texas.

    That Ken Starr.

  53. 53.

    zeecube

    January 27, 2020 at 3:57 pm

    @FlipYrWhig: It’s possible if no one objects to the ruling.  But unlikely.  My understanding is that any ruling by Roberts may be vetoed by a 51-49 senate majority vote.  I am sure someone, like Graham, would object, requiring at least 4 republicans to go on the record in support to sustain Robert’s ruling.

  54. 54.

    Yutsano

    January 27, 2020 at 4:00 pm

    @zeecube: Roberts has done absolutely nothing this whole trial. What makes you think he’s going to bother to intercede with the calling of witnesses?

  55. 55.

    FlipYrWhig

    January 27, 2020 at 4:07 pm

    @Yutsano: That was my idea not zeecube’s.

  56. 56.

    Yutsano

    January 27, 2020 at 4:13 pm

    @FlipYrWhig: Noted. My point still stands.

  57. 57.

    catclub

    January 27, 2020 at 4:15 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: We don’t need the original.

     

    How do you know?  The original is probably much worse for Trump.

  58. 58.

    FlipYrWhig

    January 27, 2020 at 4:15 pm

    @Yutsano: My thinking was that if there really are some number of Republicans who would like to hear from witnesses but are afraid of having to cross Trump in public, they could accomplish the same goal in a different way by getting John Roberts to do their dirty work.  But I didn’t realize/remember there was an additional procedural roadblock until zeecube pointed it out.

  59. 59.

    cain

    January 27, 2020 at 4:18 pm

    @James E Powell:

    I don’t see why the media should do anything of the sort. Do they need access to Ken Starr in the future that they need to be careful? Burn his ass, and then see what happens.

    I think the entire media is afraid of the right wing noise machine for the most part – or they need the right wing noise machine to give them money.

  60. 60.

    cain

    January 27, 2020 at 4:19 pm

    @FlipYrWhig:
    I would like to see Roberts actually do his job and defend the constitution and stop all the lying and what not. History is going to definitely be harsh on everyone on the conservative side when we eventually get a foothold.

  61. 61.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 27, 2020 at 4:28 pm

    @Bill Arnold: And that is one of the many reasons we love Wonkette.

  62. 62.

    J R in WV

    January 27, 2020 at 4:34 pm

    @Bill Arnold:

    Evan Hurst at Wonkette calls Starr a “Blowjob Investigator”. I’d amend that to a “Respected Blowjob Investigator”.

    Wow! Must have been a heck of a hummer to be respected!!

  63. 63.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 27, 2020 at 4:39 pm

    @J R in WV: Wouldn’t expect less of the Blowjob Heard ‘Round The World.

  64. 64.

    HalfAssedHomesteader

    January 27, 2020 at 4:41 pm

    Pam Bondi is way out of her league.

  65. 65.

    chris

    January 27, 2020 at 4:52 pm

    @HalfAssedHomesteader: No kidding! I thought it was Ivanka at first glance. The hair will go right to daddy’s… heart.

  66. 66.

    PST

    January 27, 2020 at 4:52 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Tribe had a good comment today on twitter, especially apropos for those who remember him from decades ago as an old debater and debate coach:

    Jay Sekulow and Mike Purpura are arguing the “facts” as though the Bolton bombshell hadn’t exploded. This displays incomprehensible argumentative ineptitude. Adapting to radically changed circumstances is the least that respect for one’s audience demands.

  67. 67.

    Leto

    January 27, 2020 at 5:00 pm

    So I get out of PT, drive a few mins down the road to Giant (grocery store), do my thang, get back in the car, turn the radio on and immediately regrets my life’s decisions. Hear, “Hunter Biden, Hunter Biden, Hunter Biden” and just… like Adam warned us that Russian disinformation would be the central “facts” to their defense but JFC I just can’t with these people. Turned it to music and just drove home.

    @chris: Turned the tv on, thought it was Ivanka arguing, then saw it was the paid off Florida AG. Absolute shit show.

  68. 68.

    James E Powell

    January 27, 2020 at 5:00 pm

    @cain:

    Do they need access to Ken Starr in the future that they need to be careful? Burn his ass, and then see what happens.

    When do they ever do that to Republicans?

    I think the entire media is afraid of the right wing noise machine for the most part – or they need the right wing noise machine to give them money.

    Or they are also components of the right wing noise machine.

  69. 69.

    psycholinguist

    January 27, 2020 at 5:01 pm

    Jay Sukelo looks just like the lawyer from the Simpsons.  And by that, I mean he doesn’t look like a real human being, but like a cartoon of a human.  That can’t be a coincidence.

  70. 70.

    cain

    January 27, 2020 at 5:02 pm

    @James E Powell:

    Sure they probably are part of the right wing. They seem to have their own vision of America and it’s all about corruption and grift.

  71. 71.

    HalfAssedHomesteader

    January 27, 2020 at 5:07 pm

    @chris: I thought that too. I’m sure he’s watching this part of the trial by himself (and yet not really alone).

  72. 72.

    chris

    January 27, 2020 at 5:37 pm

    @Leto:@HalfAssedHomesteader: Audience of one.

  73. 73.

    Bill Arnold

    January 27, 2020 at 5:41 pm

    Do Democratic Party Senators get to ask these liars questions at some point? Because there are a lot of lies.

  74. 74.

    HalfAssedHomesteader

    January 27, 2020 at 6:54 pm

    @Bill Arnold: At least from the Republican side they’ll direct their questions to their own side: You said the president is innocent but can you tells just how innocent he really is?

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