Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

You’re just a puppy masquerading as an old coot.

Take hopelessness and turn it into resilience.

That pie keeps getting more and more forks, reducing anyone’s chance of even a Perot.

Since when do we limit our critiques to things we could do better ourselves?

It may be funny to you motherfucker, but it’s not funny to me.

Is it negotiation when the other party actually wants to shoot the hostage?

The fundamental promise of conservatism all over the world is a return to an idealized past that never existed.

Republicans choose power over democracy, every day.

Joe Lieberman disappointingly reemerged to remind us that he’s still alive.

Fight them, without becoming them!

Wow, you are pre-disappointed. How surprising.

Baby steps, because the Republican Party is full of angry babies.

You are so fucked. Still, I wish you the best of luck.

Ah, the different things are different argument.

Happy indictment week to all who celebrate!

Never entrust democracy to any process that requires republicans to act in good faith.

… pundit janitors mopping up after the GOP

Their boy Ron is an empty plastic cup that will never know pudding.

In after Baud. Damn.

Anyone who bans teaching American history has no right to shape America’s future.

Republicans can’t even be trusted with their own money.

… gradually, and then suddenly.

We need to vote them all out and restore sane Democratic government.

Jack Smith: “Why did you start campaigning in the middle of my investigation?!”

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At about the same time the GOP was flushing their party and the Constitution down the toilet, Great Britain was working to put a strike-through on the Great part.

 

 

Weird, sad day. We must do everything in our power to make them pay in November.

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  1. 1.

    janesays

    Final vote on impeachment is not happening until Wednesday, apparently. Strange that McConnell isn’t giving Trump the ability to take a victory lap during the SOTU the night before.

  2. 2.

    zhena gogolia

    Today is the 40th anniversary of an event in my life that was too terrible for me to speak of here. I am not happy.

  3. 3.

    TaMara (HFG)

    For whatever reason, this tweet would not embed in the post:

  4. 4.

    A Ghost To Most

    Enjoy the Super Bowl. We will be pursuing outside options, for the first time.

    No way we give Fox our eyeballs now, especially given the likelihood of Prez Mushmelon popping in to gloat and spout revenge.

  5. 5.

    zhena gogolia

    Since the only thing that makes me feel the slightest bit better these days is throwing money at Democrats, I just sent some to Mark Kelly (challenging Martha McSally). He joins McGrath, Gideon, Ditch Mitch, Hickenlooper, and Biden on my list of recipients.

  6. 6.

    zhena gogolia

    @A Ghost To Most:

    I wish I could say I’d be making that sacrifice, but I haven’t watched the Super Bowl in my life (maybe once but I tried to concentrate on guacamole).

  7. 7.

    Chyron HR

    Well, Bernie has announced to the stupid little children who worship him as their god that the DNC is RIGGING THE SUPERDELEGATES, so the human race is officially fucked.

  8. 8.

    Frankensteinbeck

    Why in heaven’s name are people freaking out about this witnesses vote?  Trump wasn’t going to be convicted in the Senate, and the people beating their chest now mostly never thought he would be.  Witnesses would have been nice because we could flog Trump and Mitch more, but we’ve already gotten more embarrassment of both than we could reasonably expect.  We are where we were last week – we have to be pissed off, keep our allies pissed off, and vote them out in November the way we have the last three years.

  9. 9.

    Baud

    Schumer gets a lot of grief, some of it justified, but he’s acquitted himself pretty well durong the trial. It should be acknowledged.

    On another note, what’s in Corbyn’s future? Last I heard, he was going to step down from Labour at some indeterminate time.

  11. 11.

    Ruckus

    There are many people who could have done that edit on Wiki.

    Myself included as I’m still an editor, as most anyone can be. I’ve never edited anything on there but it’s not difficult to become an editor. Or at least it didn’t use to be.

  13. 13.

    Kent

    @janesays:Final vote on impeachment is not happening until Wednesday, apparently. Strange that McConnell isn’t giving Trump the ability to take a victory lap during the SOTU the night before.

    Apparently they fucked up the language of the impeachment resolution which left an opening for the Dems to quasi-filibuster the final stages with endless amendments and debate. McConnell is a master at obstruction.  He isn’t that great at actual legislation because he basically has no practice.

  17. 17.

    Kent

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Why in heaven’s name are people freaking out about this witnesses vote?  Trump wasn’t going to be convicted in the Senate, and the people beating their chest now mostly never thought he would be.  Witnesses would have been nice because we could flog Trump and Mitch more, but we’ve already gotten more embarrassment of both than we could reasonably expect.  We are where we were last week – we have to be pissed off, keep our allies pissed off, and vote them out in November the way we have the last three years.

    I actually think it plays to the Dems advantage.  They are basically giving license to the House to continue investigating and demanding all the testimony and evidence they refused to collect or hear.   Had they opened up the floor in a limited an controlled way they could have argued that they issue was truly dead and buried and it is just sour grapes for the Dems to bring stuff back up.  Now they can’t do that so much.

    Bolton Hearings in the House the 4th week of August during the GOP Convention sounds about right to me.

  21. 21.

    germy

    @Kent:

    Bolton Hearings in the House the 4th week of August during the GOP Convention sounds about right to me.

    I thought Bolton refused to testify for the House.

  22. 22.

    Felanius Kootea

    Well, today the Trump admin announced a travel ban on my country of origin, Nigeria, in addition to five other countries.  Now I can look forward to CBP officials bothering me when they feel like it when I fly to Europe, Africa, or Canada and need reentry, because my US Passport announces that I was born in Nigeria (some of my Iranian colleagues, professors who are naturalized citizens, have experienced this special attention recently).

  23. 23.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @Chyron HR:

    I don’t see Sanders’ part in this?  It looks like Politico showing their asshole Republican leanings again and publishing a ‘Democrats In Disarray’ story to try and make Berners hate the Democratic Party.  Damn, is it some weak sauce of a few anonymous sources within the Democratic Party discussing something that might affect the vote a little but nobody thinks would ever pass anyway, because SANDERS SURGING and if he wins his best state, he might win all the states!!!!!

  25. 25.

    janesays

    @Chyron HR: It would be unbelievably stupid for the DNC to reopen the rules on superdelegate voting. I don’t want Sanders to be the nominee, but if he were to win the most pledged delegates in the primaries and then lose the nomination because of superdelegate votes tilting it to another candidate (which isn’t remotely what happened in 2016), we may as well just forfeit the November election at that point.

    We need to beat Bernie, but we need to do it without superdelegate involvement. We can’t give even a shred of legitimacy to claims of “rigging” by his cult followers, and giving first round voting rights back to superdelegates would hand them ammunition we don’t need to be giving them. The person who wins the most pledged delegates in the primaries is the person who should be the nominee – no matter who that person winds up being.

  26. 26.

    Baud

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    The Sanders people like to work behind the scenes with friendly reporters.  That’s what happened a few weeks ago when we had the BIDEN IS GOING TO STEAL YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY kerfluffle.

  28. 28.

    jl

    @germy: That is true, the last I heard. Apparently, he wanted GOP permission to speak, or at least he wanted to look as if he wanted GOP permission.

    I wonder if that will change if the WH can flush his book down the toilet, and the media loses interest in his scoops because Trump WON, and therefore Trump’s criming is old news (even as it continues). and not interesting, because TRUMP WON IT!!!

  31. 31.

    NotMax

    Main thing today resulted in is sending the U.K.’s rep who at the the EU Parliament to the unemployment line.

    Britain is leaving the E.U. but Brexit is far from ‘done’

    The U.K. will be subject to all of the bloc’s laws and regulations until at least the end of 2020. Source

  32. 32.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @Chyron HR:

    Sure, he’s just the innocent beneficiary of an online propaganda campaign. Again.

    I’m sure Politico picked him because he’s the prime tool to try and demoralize young Democratic voters, but I doubt Sanders has any input in what Politico publishes.

  34. 34.

    Spanky

    @Kent: Apparently they fucked up the language of the impeachment resolution which left an opening for the Dems to quasi-filibuster the final stages with endless amendments and debate. McConnell is a master at obstruction.  He isn’t that great at actual legislation because he basically has no practice.

    Probably true enough, but I doubt it bothers Turtleman too much since I suspect he really really hates Trump. Though he’s asshole enough to enjoy sticking it to the country.

    I look forward to the day the truth comes out about what Trump/Putin holds over him.

  38. 38.

    trollhattan

    @debbie:

    My dead-tree paper is subbing out probably 65% of their op-ed real estate now, and that results in bleats like the other day when a column took issue with how the Bernie isn’t getting appropriate support during these primaries from his party.

    Yeah, it said that.

  39. 39.

    bucachon

    “There is no need for the Senate to re-open the investigation which the House Democratic majority chose to conclude and which the managers themselves continue to describe as ‘overwhelming’ and ‘beyond any doubt’,” McConnell said.

    i know it’s a pipe dream, but it would be nice to have the Republican Senators explain what part of the house evidence they dispute? Alexander he did it but it should be up to the voters. Does Alexander plan to vote for Trump because it’s not that big of a deal.

    vote, please.

  41. 41.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @Spanky:

    I doubt it bothers Turtleman too much since I suspect he really really hates Trump. Though he’s asshole enough to enjoy sticking it to the country.

    This.

    I look forward to the day the truth comes out about what Trump/Putin holds over him.

    I doubt anything.  Mitch is no genius, but he’s smart enough to not directly dirty his hands.  He’ll just claim plausible deniability as Russians fund his dream of burning the country to the fucking ground for electing a black man to be his boss.

  48. 48.

    trollhattan

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Turtle is conniving, focused and knows how things work in his little world. That’s all it takes, that and continually being reelected.

    Thanks again, Kentucky.

  52. 52.

    Baud

    @WaterGirl: That’s what the story is about.  Some small group of Dems is talking about changing the rule back.  That becomes the DNC is planning to rig the primary.

    The Politico reporter seems like a Bro.

  57. 57.

    JPL

    @zhena gogolia: Then don’t    My in-laws once visited during the super bowl and wanted to pretend they supported my watching.  Every time the ball was moved a yard or so, mother-in-law would pipe up and say is this a touch down.   OMG When they would kick it was a big thing.  The only nice thing about their watching is my fond memories.

  58. 58.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @debbie: I agree about Nadler and, really, all the House Managers. But Schiff was really the standout. I’m with Ohio Mom, I’ve developed kind of a crush on him.

    But BTW, what was all the noise that Schiff and Nadler has some kind of knock-down drag-out fight last night? Just more GOP shit-stirring, or was there some substance to it?

  60. 60.

    Gin & Tonic

    @NotMax: I have fond memories of watching the first two (on TV) with my father.

    But I have fonder memories of sitting and watching Knicks games with him. That was also many, many years ago, when they were good.

    Later this year I will reach the age my father was when he died, so it’s kind of melancholy thinking about him.

  61. 61.

    JPL

    @germy: If she’s the nominee, I’d vote for her for sure, but she could have chosen to run for senate first and didn’t.    I am glad that she is supporting voting rights.

  63. 63.

    Ocotillo

    Any chance if Dems can prevail this November taking back the Senate and White House that D.C., Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands can all be given statehood?

  64. 64.

    germy

    @JPL:  She’d have time to run for the senate before 2040.  I hope she does

    But I’m glad she’s working on voting rights.

  65. 65.

    bucachon

    @SiubhanDuinne: Schiff was on fire. He reminded me of the last act of law & order with DA making a dramatic cogent argument. Except Schiff went for hours. His hoarse voice at the ends of those days? ?

  66. 66.

    WaterGirl

    @Baud: This is me banging my head against the wall.

    I am ready for everyone who seems hell bent on destroying our party and our democracy to move to a different planet.

    I am totally willing to change the rules if it keeps Bernie from being our nominee.  That’s probably bad, isn’t it?

  67. 67.

    Van Buren

    Currently blasting music on headphones so I can’t possibly hear what David Brooks is saying on the telly.

  68. 68.

    Splitting Image

    At about the same time the GOP was flushing their party and the Constitution down the toilet, Great Britain was working to put a strike-through on the Great part.

    Well, Great Britain was only ever “Great” compared to Lesser Britain, otherwise known as the Duchy of Britanny. It will still be larger than Britanny even if the Scottish and Welsh both decide to bail out.

    The Brits will be able to console themselves with that, bless their little great hearts.

  72. 72.

    WaterGirl

    @JPL: Stacey Abrams has absolutely no interest in being a senator.  Can you blame her?  I don’t blame her one bit.

    At this point I think I’d rather work at macdonald’s than be a senator. I think if you were a get things done kind of person, being in the senate in 2020 would make you want to blow your brains out.

    Some people are better suited to administrative roles.  I totally respect her choice.

    She is my top choice for VP.

  76. 76.

    Brachiator

    @lamh36:

    I knew Bloomberg was spening alot of his own money, but DAMN 200 million dollars!!!!

    Waste of money.  I’ve heard some of his radio ads here in Southern California. They are OK, but do not make me interested in him.

  77. 77.

    bucachon

    @Ocotillo: greetings from Puerto Rico. No god no thank you! DC definitely. It’s contiguous.

    Puerto Rico is the worlds oldest colony. I teach history to fifth graders and seventh here in Puerto Rico. We just covered the Declaration of Independence.

    statehood is the ultimate stage of colonialism. Yeah we get to vote in your election. Independence means something important. You know. As a gringo who’s lived here for 20 years I know that independence is important.

    Puerto Rico is it’s own culture and society and collection of people. It’s not the USA. Yeah, yeah we are. After 20 years of military occupation by the US, congress granted puertoricans citizenship. Legally we are. Culturally, socially, linguistically, historically, musically, geographically we are Puerto Ricans.  I say change the law and let the rest continue to be true rather than change the culture, the society to fit into the USA.

    the truth is what needs to be done here will be easier if it’s done here.

  79. 79.

    Sparks

    It would be good if the Democrats would point out that if half of the jury finds a defendant guilty, the result isn’t called an acquittal:  it’s a hung jury.

  81. 81.

    joel hanes

    @debbie:

    Actually, all of them deserve our gratitude.

    At this point, any gratitude I direct toward Representative Richard Neal (D Massachusetts), who chairs both Ways and Means and Taxation,  will be distinctly muted.

  87. 87.

    mrmoshpotato

    We must do everything in our power to make them pay in November.

    Pay them all into the sea.

  89. 89.

    Barbara

    I have had two glasses of wine and I would like to say that I have never been more grateful for this site.  Thanks to every poster and front pager.

  90. 90.

    WaterGirl

    @zhena gogolia: Click reply on MomSense. Immediately press the X to close the popup box. Click reply on Baud. The popup will already say @MomSense and add @Baud. Click the X.  Navigate to ruemara’s comment, click reply. You’ll see @MomSense, @Baud and @ruemara. Click the X. Navigate to SD and germs in turn, following the same process.

    Then just use the backspace to remove all the extra spacing between all the @nyms.

    Does that make sense?

  94. 94.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Frankensteinbeck:  I don’t understand it either.  I think that some people thought that the sheer blatancy of Trump’s crimes might overcome the shittiness of elected Republicans.

  96. 96.

    J R in WV

    @lamh36:

    U.S. candidate Bloomberg spent $200 million of own wealth on presidential bid in 2019

    To Mike, that’s like you going out to a great NOLA night club and tipping $95 on a $290 tab for your Grad degree because the staff was so great. No big deal.

  97. 97.

    Searcher

    I’m just excited knowing that regardless of what happens for the next four years there will be a Democratic primary in 2024.

  98. 98.

    janesays

    @Spanky: I don’t think they hold anything over McTortoise. He’s getting literally everything he wants from Trump – wingnut judges, tax cuts for wealthy people, deregulation of everything under the sun. He’s got no reason to be unhappy with what he’s gotten over the last three years.

  100. 100.

    Jim

    Being a UK citizen , I put forward a scenario –

    You an American , would like to go the the supermarket and other stores to do your shopping . You put on your coat , climb into your car and drive to your bank . However , you do NOT withdraw money But you have to give your bank $10,000 a year so you can buy from the shops .

    The UK HAD to give the EU Commissars £12 Billion per year so we could buy from other countries .

    I for one was not willing to do that , so I voted to leave .

    No doubt other countries will sell their merchandise to us because we will buy from them .

    End of scenario .

  101. 101.

    Boris Rasputin (the evil twin)

    @NotMax:  On behalf of a few Irish ancestors, I’m enjoying a certain schadenfreude watching the UK shoot itself in both feet, and other body parts.

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