Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Republican obstruction dressed up as bipartisanship. Again.

If senate republicans had any shame, they’d die of it.

The willow is too close to the house.

I wonder if trump will be tried as an adult.

Teach a man to fish, and he’ll sit in a boat all day drinking beer.

We are aware of all internet traditions.

Meanwhile over at truth Social, the former president is busy confessing to crimes.

American History and Black History Cannot Be Separated

Somebody needs to explain to DeSantis that nobody needs to do anything to make him look bad.

How can republicans represent us when they don’t trust women?

Give the craziest people you know everything they want and hope they don’t ask for more? Great plan.

Jesus, Mary, & Joseph how is that election even close?

But frankly mr. cole, I’ll be happier when you get back to telling us to go fuck ourselves.

Stamping your little feets and demanding that they see how important you are? Not working anymore.

A thin legal pretext to veneer over their personal religious and political desires

Not so fun when the rabbit gets the gun, is it?

Republicans can’t even be trusted with their own money.

Sadly, there is no cure for stupid.

Pessimism assures that nothing of any importance will change.

Sitting here in limbo waiting for the dice to roll

“Cheese and Kraken paired together for the appetizer trial.”

Wow, I can’t imagine what it was like to comment in morse code.

Red lights blinking on democracy’s dashboard

The fundamental promise of conservatism all over the world is a return to an idealized past that never existed.

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Proud to Be A Democrat Open Thread: Stacey Abrams Knows Her Worth

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Excellent piece by Stephen Robinson, at Wonkette — “Pick Another White Guy To Take Off Your Money Because Stacey Abrams Is Gonna Be President “:

… Abrams is equal parts badass and fascinating. Her ambition has always been coupled with practicality. This probably isn’t rare for black women. Many white men — be they billionaires or mayors — believe they can not only win the presidency but effect sweeping change without any practical experience. They snottily dismiss knowing what the fuck you’re doing as “DC experience.” Abrams is very different. She understands that someone in any public executive position, either as governor or president, won’t be very effective if they don’t understand the legislative process. That’s what Abrams set out to do. She served in the Georgia House of Representatives from 2006 to 2017 and was minority leader for more than half that time. She’s already more qualified than several candidates in the Democratic primary. Sneering your nose at “Washington bureaucracy” won’t make it go away. If we’ve learned anything from the past few months, it’s that we need seasoned political operators to confront a united GOP machine. We can’t just plug some fresh-faced kid into the Matrix, upload the legislative kung-fu program, and send them off to face Agent Mitch McConnell. This is the real world. We’d get killed…

Abrams has had to contend with a lot of trifling racist nonsense in her career. Her campaign for Georgia governor was historic, but she wasn’t regarded as the Wright Brothers. She was constantly asked if a state with a 30 percent black population was ready for a black woman governor.

ABRAMS: I’m electable if I win. And I’m electable because I can win. I’m not solely an avatar for black women, but I’m a proud avatar of both of those things because it stands as an example of what’s possible.

Yes! America is supposedly a nation that does bold things. We can walk on the moon (we did in fact) but we publish countless “think pieces” wondering if we’re “ready” for leaders who aren’t white men. You don’t even need rockets and zero gravity training to elect black people or women of any shade. You just vote for them…

The work Abrams is doing right now at Fair Fight to promote voter access is invaluable — as she knows better than most. If she gets the right offer from a current presidential candidate, I’m sure promoting voting rights will be a big part of the equation. But in any case, I absolutely believe that if there *is* a 2040, Ms. Abrams will be in the top leadership of whatever government looks like by then!

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  3. 3.

    zhena gogolia

    OT, because it seems nobody here paid any attention.

    Donald Trump must be convicted and removed from office.Because he will always choose his own personal interest over our national interest. Because in America, right matters. Truth matters. If not, no Constitution can protect us.If not, we are lost. pic.twitter.com/USfx6v9KsT— Adam Schiff (@RepAdamSchiff) January 24, 2020

  5. 5.

    BGinCHI

    1. Biden or Bernie the nominee, Abrams as VP.

    2. Serve one term, max, bow out for health reasons.

    3. Abrams as POTUS, time to get some shit done.

  7. 7.

    pamelabrown53

    @BGinCHI:

    Short essay. If Biden wins the nomination would you want him to select Stacy Abrams or Kamala Harris?

    Support your choice; compare and contrast.

  12. 12.

    BGinCHI

    @pamelabrown53: I like both, but I’ll take Abrams. Her work has been fundamental and focused, without needing to be the star of the show.

    Harris would be terrific, too. Different in that her time in the Senate may have infected her with institutionalism.

    I’d much rather have these choices than dumbass Mike fucking Pence.

  14. 14.

    Patricia Kayden

    Abrams would be a dang sight better than Orange Bigot so why not?  We need presidents who actually care about ordinary Americans instead of just the mega rich.

  20. 20.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Baud: How do you mean? as a certified old fart, I think the jump from the state lege to a Presidential ticket is a big jump and I think that’s a valid concern, politically*, but what I recall from her campaign, Abrams is no liberal bomb thrower. My recollection is she talked a lot about reaching across the aisle.

    *one of my pet theories is that there is no job, not even VP, that really prepare anybody for the big chair, so resumes are not a top priority of mine, but picking Abrams would open a flood of “is she ready to be Commander in Chief” stories. I hate the reduction of the presidency to CiC, I hate the way “in Chief” gets tagged on to so many other roles/responsibilities of the POTUS (didn’t even, as Michelle Obot, like Mom-in-Chief), but it’s inevitable

  21. 21.

    JPL

    @BGinCHI: Harris for me.   I voted for Stacey for governor, but I do think she needs more experience in government.   Harris has been around.  Obama went from State Government to Senator first.   I do hope that she runs again for Governor which would giver her more exposure

    Let me add that Loeffler is proving to be an ass and now that Collins is challenging her, Stacey has a real chance

  24. 24.

    Mnemosyne

    I’ve said this before, but whatever political “It” is, Abrams has It. I’m still pissed that she got cheated out of the governor’s seat in GA — I even did postcards to voters for her. Her scope for moving up is unfortunately limited by being a Black woman living in the South. I really think she would be at least a lieutenant governor by now in a coastal state.

  25. 25.

    Amir Khalid

    Off topic. I think I’ve done something I shouldn’t have. My Google search is now redirected to something called xscx.xyz. It’s not Google Search and I want to change it back. Any idea how to do that?

  26. 26.

    Baud

    @Mnemosyne:

    The curse of red state Democrats. People are not so keen on Pete these days, but he is clearly talented enough to rise above mayor in a non-polarized country.

  28. 28.

    Ruckus

    @MattF:

    She was my first choice as well. Then Harris. I’m not saying anything more about any candidate being my choice.

    But Abrams is smart, solid and realistic. And because she can make obvious and good but hard choices without hesitation, she is someone who can do the job of being president.

    I hope to be here and able to vote for her for president some day.

  29. 29.

    JWR

    Sorry for the OT, but dang!

    NEW YORK (AP) — Guitarist Andy Gill, who supplied the scratching, seething sound that fueled the highly influential British punk band Gang of Four, died Saturday, according to a statement from the band. He was 64.

    Saw them once, and Gill immediately became my own personal God of Noise. That is all.

  33. 33.

    PsiFighter37

    I admire the ambition, but she needs to hold higher office and prove herself first. Same thing goes for Mayor Pete, Tom Steyer, and any of the other inexperienced yahoos running currently.

  34. 34.

    hells littlest angel

    Note to self: stay alive for at least 21 more years, and keep voter registration active.

  35. 35.

    NotMax

    @BG in CHI

    The success rate for sitting vice-presidents being elected* to the presidency is not propitious.

    Leaving aside Adams and Jefferson (as they predate the 12th amendment which altered how v.p. is elected), the grand total is two: Martin Van Buren and G.H.W. Bush.

    *As opposed to being elected to the presidency after succession to that office while Veep, and also as opposed to becoming president after leaving office as vice-president (only one: Nixon). And yes, Gore gets his own footnote but the fact remains he did not take office as president.

    Also, as the time frame nowadays for running for president has stretched to nearly two years, not sure I’d be happy with any v.p. who is spending half their term in office campaigning for prez.

  36. 36.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Baud: I forgot she and Beau Biden were friends, and as I understand more than the usual “my good friend..” political way.

    Those are the reasons I hope for a Biden Harris ticket, too. I don’t know if she matches Abrams’ political talent, but I’ve always thought she was the most charismatic Dem in the primary. Just don’t ask me to define either “talent” or “charisma”, it’s just a gut reaction I have to both

  37. 37.

    glory b

    I’d rather be talking about Abrams than AOC.

    The fact that she wrote romance novels under a pseudonym for extra money makes me laugh.

  38. 38.

    Ruckus

    @Amir Khalid:

    I think your computer may have caught a death bug. It might be time to wipe it completely and start over.

    I don’t remember enough about windows boxes to give specific instructions there.

  40. 40.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I was a Harris supporter and I have moved on to Biden.  I think Harris would be a good choice from Biden’s POV, but I am not sure it is a move Harris would want to make.  I would certainly be happy with that ticket though.

  41. 41.

    zhena gogolia

    @Baud:

    Oh, I didn’t even get to that part.

    He also won’t win.

    I’m going to have to stay away for a while from here if he wins Iowa.

  42. 42.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Omnes Omnibus: I agree, she’d be taking one for the team if she agreed to give up her Senate seat to serve with Biden. And I think I’m pretty much a Biden supporter now.

  47. 47.

    NotMax

    @Amir Khalid

    In the Settings of your browser (Options in Firefox) you’ll find a listing to change/set your default search engine.

    If you mean what’s affected is the search function in Windows 10 itself (as opposed to your browser), that takes a slightly different procedure.

  48. 48.

    Redshift

    @Amir Khalid: Based on my experience doing tech support for my parents, the mildest thing it could be is that you clicked on something that installed a browser plugin. Check your browser plugins and if you see something funny looking, uninstall it.

    If not, it could also be malware. Download and install the free Malwarebytes (https://malwarebytes.com) and run a scan.

  49. 49.

    JPL

    @zhena gogolia: He might have the most delegates but Iowa is going to be split.   Stay at least through Nevada and South Carolina, because we need each other.

    The bullshit about dems trying to push him out is bullshit.   It was six people, not hundreds.   That concerns me because the republicans are already painting a picture that bernie was robbed.

  51. 51.

    zhena gogolia

    In case I haven’t said it before, I worship Adam Schiff as a god now.

    Someone needs to put his entire impeachment performance (hearings plus trial) into one epic film and send it right to me, please. I have never seen such a performance in my life and don’t expect to again.

  53. 53.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    OT: listening to the Stable Genius book, because I am apparently a masochistic moran who’s not depressed and angry enough. A lot of it I had heard before, but apparently he pulled the LBJ take-a-leak-with-the-door-open move on HR McMaster, who as I understand continues to move in the trump orbit

  54. 54.

    Amir Khalid

    @NotMax:

    It may be the latter. In Options, Google is already the search engine. But the search results page isn’t the Google one, but this xscx.xyz thing.

  56. 56.

    Patricia Kayden

    Yeah, destroying democracy is exhausting!

    To be fair, shredding the Constitution, defiling the American presidency, and managing an organized-crime ring of 53 senators is hard work, so it’s nice to see him unwind by trolling the entire free world. pic.twitter.com/pntrA50GqA— Jon Zal (@OfficialJonZal) February 1, 2020

  57. 57.

    Ohio Mom

    Off topic: I just glanced out the window. It’s cloudy today but even so, it is still a tiny bit light out there. I’d say we gained about a half hour of sunlight since the year started. Yay!

  58. 58.

    zhena gogolia

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I bought it in order to support the authors after Dumb Putin attacked them, but I immediately gave it away because I can’t stand to read it. I hope my friend is “enjoying” it. I haven’t heard anything.

  62. 62.

    Ohio Mom

    Zhena@ 51: I keep saying that watching Adam Schiff is like watching the Olympics or listening to an opera singer, or any other demonstration of extreme human talent.

    It’s breath-taking, record-breaking stuff (if there was a way to have records on presenting court cases).

  64. 64.

    zhena gogolia

    @Ohio Mom:

    I have never seen anything like it. The preparation, the incisiveness, the command of the facts, the constant deployment of relevant quotations from history, the emotion that is so carefully expressed at just the right moments in the midst of a dispassionate presentation — it is phenomenal. And all in the service of saving the country.

  70. 70.

    James E Powell

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    picking Abrams would open a flood of “is she ready to be Commander in Chief” stories.

    A woman could be decorated combat infantry officer who works her way up to Chief of Staff of the Army and there would still be a flood of “is she ready to be Commander in Chief stories.”

  74. 74.

    JWR

    @pamelabrown53: Stacy Abrams or Kamala Harris? As a former supporter of Harris, (for pres, but she’s still my own fave as a Senator), I’d have to say Stacy. She exudes humanity.

  77. 77.

    Immanentize

    @Belafon: She does not need to do either of those things.  The Dem. bench is deep for AG and Senator in California.  Harris would be a great VP.  I would love to see her break tie votes (and balls) in the Senate.  Please?

  78. 78.

    Geminid

    Abrams could be a good vp candidate, but she is a methodical person, and has unfinished business in Georgia. Namely, taking Jack Kemp’s blow-dried scalp in 2022.

  83. 83.

    Kent

    @NotMax:

    The success rate for sitting vice-presidents being elected* to the presidency is not propitious.

    Leaving aside Adams and Jefferson (as they predate the 12th amendment which altered how v.p. is elected), the grand total is two: Martin Van Buren and G.H.W. Bush.

    *As opposed to being elected to the presidency after succession to that office while Veep, and also as opposed to becoming president after leaving office as vice-president (only one: Nixon). And yes, Gore gets his own footnote but the fact remains he did not take office as president.

    Also, as the time frame nowadays for running for president has stretched to nearly two years, not sure I’d be happy with any v.p. who is spending half their term in office campaigning for prez.

    I’m not sure what any of this means.  Are you saying that Abram’s chances of winning the presidency would be DIMINISHED by serving for four years as Biden’s VP as opposed to staying in Georgia and running Fair Fight like she is doing now for the next 4 years?  I would strongly disagree.

    VPs have a very strong tendency of becoming presidents:  Fourteen VPs have become president.  In other words, 31% of all US presidents also served as VP at some point prior to becoming president.

    In the past 100 years, Truman, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, and Bush 41 all served as VP before becoming President.  If we are talking about Biden’s VP then we would add him to the list too.

    Those who ran and lost would be Nixon, Mondale, and Gore, although Gore is a special case.

  84. 84.

    Immanentize

    @MattF: I love her stuff generally.  Saw her a few times when I lived in Texas, but that song I had never heard and it just blew me away.  I think I listened to it 10 times straight.  In the studio version, the way she sings “conversation with you is like a drug” is so drawn out and hard and addict like.

  86. 86.

    Kent

    @Ohio Mom:

    Zhena@ 51: I keep saying that watching Adam Schiff is like watching the Olympics or listening to an opera singer, or any other demonstration of extreme human talent.

    It’s breath-taking, record-breaking stuff (if there was a way to have records on presenting court cases).

    The last time I saw someone with as much command and gravitas as Schiff was peak Obama.

    I know it doesn’t seem to be a popular notion here, but I see him as the next Speaker of the House when Nancy finally decides to retire.  We need a Speaker who can speak truth to to power and command attention when negotiating with the Senate and Executive Branch.   Schiff strikes me as that person.

  92. 92.

    MattF

    @Immanentize: There used to be regular conversations about music here— it was one of the reasons I decided to stick around. But not since DougJ went very part-time… and I miss it.

  94. 94.

    Belafon

    @Immanentize: Harris was my first choice for president, and my choice for VP for Biden or Sanders. But I’ve seen others make those arguments, and those would be the only good reasons I could see her not chosen.

    Edited to add “good”.

  101. 101.

    debbie

    @MomSense:

    I know women like Gillian Welch and Emmylou Harris are awesome talents because they can get me to sing along with even the religious stuff.

  103. 103.

    Immanentize

    @MomSense: Wasn’t she writing and singing late 90’s early naughties?  I have not heard anything by her in a decade (really since I left Texas)  I will check her out.  Thanks!

  112. 112.

    Geminid

    Also, Raphael Warnock, with Abrams’ encouragement, just announced a run for the Senate seat temporarily held by Kelly Loeflers. Warnock is Senior Pastor are Ebenezer Baptist Church. Abrams will work hard for him, as well as her Fair Fight operation.

  113. 113.

    the Conster

    Has anyone mentioned that Sanders would be replaced by a Republican?    Has he mentioned that as a critical part of his grand M4All smoke up your ass Plan, he’d need it to pass the Senate, so there goes the Senate?  Although who would miss him there, really.  No one can stand him.   They;re glad he’s never there.

  114. 114.

    The Lodger

    @Geminid: Jack Kemp died in 2009. You mean Brian Kemp, who used his position to cheat his way into the GA governorship in 2018. Most of the Senate just cleared Trump to do the exact same thing this year.

  115. 115.

    joel hanes

    Harris has more experience.

    Abrams has amazing political instincts, and is a better politician.

  116. 116.

    MattF

    @MomSense: Welch’s most recent album was 2011– ‘The Harrow and the Harvest’ and it’s pretty wonderful. I believe that she and Rawlings are married.

  117. 117.

    WaterGirl

    @debbie: Thanks for doing that.  It should be pretty hard for the ad guy to think it’s not a problem when you can’t see even 1/4 inch of anything on screen that isn’t the ad.

  120. 120.

    Steeplejack

    @Kent:

    In the past 100 years, Truman, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, and Bush 41 all served as VP before becoming President.

    Four of those five were not “sitting vice presidents” when they were elected president, which was (part of) NotMax’s point.

  121. 121.

    TriassicSands

    @JPL:

     I do think she needs more experience in government.

    Her problem is that she has no good elective office opportunity to get that experience. O’Rourke and  Buttigieg had the same problem. They’re all from right wing Republican states. The best they can reliably hope for is US Representative and that isn’t seen as a viable last stepping stone to the presidency. Both probably figured they had more national appeal than home state potential. But both are still too young and inexperienced. Is running for president meaningful experience for being president? Or will it at least cause voters to think of a candidate as having the necessary experience?

    If someone doesn’t think Abrams is experienced enough to be president, then she shouldn’t be the VP of a president who could easily die or become incapacitated within four years (Biden and Sanders).

    Electorally, Abrams would make more sense as Sanders’ VP than Biden’s. Biden doesn’t need help with African Americans, but black or white Biden has to have a woman as his running mate. Any Democratic man does.

  122. 122.

    JPL

    @Geminid: He’s suppose to be a strong candidate but I’m concerned about name recognition outside of the Atlanta area

    Abrams is now known state wide and can easily win the most votes in a three way contest. Tough to break the 50 thresh hold GA requires, but possible.

  128. 128.

    TriassicSands

    @TriassicSands:

    Her problem is that she has no good elective office opportunity to get that experience.

    Her best shot* is probably to run for governor again. Losing a second time, however, “legitimizes” her first loss. (Apparently, she still claims she won.)

    *Apart from avoiding the issue altogether and being named VP candidate.

  129. 129.

    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho

    @MomSense: I think you misspelled freak of nature awesome as “amazing” there. A wonderful experience to hear them live – as both the “band called Gillian Welch” (as she’s described it) and the Dave Rawlings Machine.

    They are such incredible songwriters, too. I heard an interview where she said “we’ve written songs every way 2 people could write together; I’ve started and he’s finished, or he’s started and I’ve finished; we’ve written them together at the same time.”

  133. 133.

    zhena gogolia

    @Kathleen:

    I first saw him in a terrifying role on NYPD Blue, as Kim Delaney’s bad boyfriend. He’s a great actor. His tweets are pretty on point.

  135. 135.

    bemused senior

    @WaterGirl: re the annoying ad… Bothersome on my Android/chrome as well, but I figured it out. Gently touch the descending half circle, and the ad retracts. Now you have access to the new, lovely tool bar. All buttons, refresh work. But when you use the right arrow to get to the next post you get a full page ad that you need to skip.

  137. 137.

    zhena gogolia

    @debbie:

    Here’s my nomination:

    Adam Schiff has done heroic service to his country in chairing the impeachment hearings in the House Intelligence Committee and as House Manager of the impeachment trial of Donald J. Trump. His performance in both of these roles was nothing short of miraculous — he displayed keen intelligence, broad and deep knowledge of the facts and of the legal issues, and unerring moral insight and courage. During the impeachment trial he spoke eloquently, vividly, and forcefully for hours on end. He was threatened by our mob boss of a president in the middle of the trial, but never lost his composure or his steadfast determination. In the face of unbelievable bad faith and pusillanimity on the part of the president’s counsel and the Republican senators, he never lost his focus on the truth and on his valiant attempt (perhaps a failed one) to save our democracy.

  138. 138.

    MisterForkbeard

    @JWR: Honestly, Bernie would benefit most from Harris and Biden would probably benefit most from Abrams.

    Harris has organizational chops that Bernie lacks and would send a “unity” message that he really needs. It’d be good for both of them.

    Abrams would bring a lot of humanity and would benefit from Biden’s organization and networking opportunities.

  141. 141.

    Steeplejack

    @bemused senior:

    Even with the ad “retracted,” it’s hard to press Refresh and the top arrow, at least on my Android phone.

    ETA: Also, sometimes the ad refuses to retract. Seeing that now on my cell phone.

  145. 145.

    debbie

    @zhena gogolia:

    Boy, you put me to shame! I didn’t keep a copy of mine, but I said there could be no better profile in courage than a man who stands up to and faces down the authoritarian forces spreading around the world.

  146. 146.

    Steeplejack

    @zhena gogolia:

    My memory is that the job was eating him up, his marriage was failing, he was having problems with his teenage daughter, etc., etc.

    IMDB tells me Meloni left the show in 2011. No wonder my memory is dim. That was season 12; they’re up to 21 now! I quit watching when even Benson started going a little nutty.

  150. 150.

    Another Scott

    @Geminid:

    Thanks for the pointer. Warning – Politico:

    The special election is an all-party contest in November, with a January 2021 runoff if no candidate tops 50 percent. GOP Sen. Kelly Loeffler was appointed to the seat by Gov. Brian Kemp and sworn in earlier this month.

    Abrams’ endorsement is a major boost for Warnock out of the starting gates. Democrats hope to consolidate support around a single candidate in the race, particularly after Rep. Doug Collins (R-Ga.) launched his bid against Loeffler earlier this week, creating a major rift among Republicans.

    In a tweet, Abrams called Warnock “a true ally in our fight for justice.” She also plans to send out a fundraising email for him Thursday saying he has led on “issues of social justice, economic access and voting rights.”

    […]

    Warnock also received support on Twitter from Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.), a former presidential candidate, and Sens. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) and Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) sent out fundraising emails on his behalf.

    I’m normally not a fan of first-time politicians having such an important position as Senator.

    But these are not normal times.

    ActBlue donation page (via Abrams tweet).

    Donated.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  156. 156.

    Kathleen

    @zhena gogolia: Some of the stories are heart wrenching, especially the ones where children are caught up in the court system. The SVU franchise really gives voices to people we in society ignore or malign, the poor, prostitutes, poor children, trafficked children.

  163. 163.

    J R in WV

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: 

    picking Abrams would open a flood of “is she ready to be Commander in Chief” stories.

    Compared to whom, exactly? The current evil moron disfunctional sociopath?

    Or a real President, like the former CiC, President Obama, who also never served in the military but had common sense and intellect AND knew to trust the professionals for advice and then to make the hard choice himself…

  164. 164.

    J R in WV

    @debbie:

    Saw Lucinda live on Mountain Stage some years ago, she was a wonderful part of a great live show. Friends were also performing on that show, said she was good to hang with in the green room before going on stage. Amazing vocalist!

  165. 165.

    Inspectrix

    Going to see Mountain Stage is on my to-do list.  While we’re talking about women who can sing and write songs, Patty Griffin got a Grammy this year. Good for her. As for Alison Kraus, she can get me to belt out “I went down to the river to pray…” like I’ve forgotten that I’m agnostic. Lucinda’s material can be a gut-punch. I recall an anecdote that one of her parents expressed remorse at how sad her childhood must have been when they first heard “Car Wheels on a Gravel Road.”

    Stacey Abrams is great; I would feel a little sad if she were VP to Biden or someone else who only wanted to give the appearance of diversity without giving her a meaningful role in governing.

  166. 166.

    WaterGirl

    @Inspectrix:

    Stacey Abrams is great; I would feel a little sad if she were VP to Biden or someone else who only wanted to give the appearance of diversity without giving her a meaningful role in governing.

    Bernie would never pick her.  And Biden only said ‘yes’ to Barack after Barack agreed that Joe would always be “the last guy in the room” for big decisions.

    I don’t think we have to worry for even a minute that Stacey Abrams would allow herself to be put in a situation where she would hold a position that would not allow her a meaningful role in governing.

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