Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

When do we start airlifting the women and children out of Texas?

Marge, god is saying you’re stupid.

Republicans in disarray!

A democracy can’t function when people can’t distinguish facts from lies.

They are not red states to be hated; they are voter suppression states to be fixed.

“woke” is the new caravan.

🎶 Those boots were made for mockin’ 🎵

It’s the corruption, stupid.

“Jesus paying for the sins of everyone is an insult to those who paid for their own sins.”

How stupid are these people?

Disappointing to see gov. newsom with his finger to the wind.

Never entrust democracy to any process that requires republicans to act in good faith.

If you voted for Trump, you don’t get to speak about ethics, morals, or rule of law.

“The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.”

Speaking of republicans, is there a way for a political party to declare intellectual bankruptcy?

Peak wingnut was a lie.

Hey Washington Post, “Democracy Dies in Darkness” was supposed to be a warning, not a mission statement.

Jack be nimble, jack be quick, hurry up and indict this prick.

Cancel the cowardly Times and Post and set up an equivalent monthly donation to ProPublica.

I really should read my own blog.

All hail the time of the bunny!

When I was faster i was always behind.

T R E 4 5 O N

No offense, but this thread hasn’t been about you for quite a while.

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  1. 1.

    Martin

    Yep. Only ~3,000 cases per day – was closer to ~4,000 cases 5 days ago. Promising. Let’s see if that  trend holds.

    Again, most of the increase in cases outside of China is the cruise ship. I cannot think of a single redeeming benefit of a cruise ship.

  3. 3.

    Rusty

    Pence and Trump have both praised the wonderful openness of the Chinese regime on the coronavirus, so there is absolutely nothing to worry about with disappearing journalists or honest information.

  7. 7.

    Mai naem mobile

    I don’t trust the Chinese numbers at all. I’m not saying the numbers aren’t going down overall but I would bet that there’s way more people dead  than they’re letting on.

  8. 8.

    Cermet

    @Mai naem mobile: Lets not speculate  on issues that there is little bases to so say. While it is certainly true there are more cases than reported (due to the large areas/sick people with just regular flu, limited med facilities, trained people /test kits), people dying is something States are rather good at determining; unless you can attribute a valid motive for China to do such a systematic lie, I do not consider your statement as anything but trying to increase both unwarranted fear of the illness and an attempt to discredit official reports without any bases. I expect better of BJ’ers posting.

  9. 9.

    debbie

    Huh. That map shows cases in Russia, but I don’t remember hearing anything. I wonder if Putin is suppressing any information just to project Russian strength against microbes? //

  11. 11.

    Fair Economist

    @Cermet: Chinese numbers in Wuhan are far from accurate. Modeling indicates there were about 75,000 infected 1/25 when Wuhan was claiming only 1,287.

    Official postings showing 7 of 9 dead in just one residential district shows they are also “laundering” deaths by not counting them as 2019-nCoV.

  12. 12.

    Princess

    Two locations concern me: They cancelled their big public parade in North Korea without explanation and there are reports of a few deaths along the border with China in the South Korean news. They do not have the resources to deal with an epidemic. And also Africa, especially places like Zambia where mining concerns have close connections with Wuhan and where travel was going back and forth until quite recently.

  14. 14.

    EmbraceYourInnerCrone

    I find it weird that Indonesia has , so far,  no reported cases of the virus as it has visa-free entry for tourists from China  (I think that is still the case).  Jakarta alone has a population approaching 10 million people.

  15. 15.

    YY_Sima Qian

    @Fair Economist: I don’t think the officials are intentionally “laundering” deaths. It is simply a result of limited testing kits. Only a deaths with confirmed 2019-nCoV infection recorded as dying from the disease. Due to the dire shortage of beds in isolation wards across the city (up until this week when the two purpose built temporary hospitals opened), some have died without ever having been treated or confirmed. This is what happens when the city’s medical system is overwhelmed.

    My WAG is the actual number of deaths attributable to 2019-nCoV is 2 – 3X of the official data, at least for Wuhan. With the effort to confirm all suspect cases in Wuhan over the next couple of days, one would hope the discrepancy should close.

  16. 16.

    Mai naem mobile

    @Cermet: i am not trying to stir up any fears or anything . If you look at a graph I think the arc is going down but shouldn’t you see a bigger number of deaths in the middle of the graph. It doesn’t seem like you saw that here. Systematic lie? I think they’re under reporting the deaths so as not to freak out their population and the world. I don’t think it’s in the millions or anything just under reported.

  18. 18.

    YY_Sima Qian

    I think the government is keeping mum on the number of medical personnel infected since the beginning. Partial data based on Chinese media reports, and even papers published by Chinese researchers in international academic journals (from case studies at major hospitals in Wuhan) show as many as one quarter or one third of the cases in Jan. Most the transmissions seemed have occurred in departments other than respiratory diseases, where doctors and nurses were treating or operating on asymptomatic patient for other disease or injury (and therefore no protection). Symptoms were not fully understood then, either (still not fully understood). In late Jan. and Feb. to date, there must have been some infections among medical staff due to the dire shortage of protective gear (masks, suits, goggles), and stories of people having to go the front lines in close contact with patients for hours on end, with gear that are not quite rate for the job.

    I guess the government is trying to avoid the embarrassment and inevitable mass panic and discontent.

  19. 19.

    YY_Sima Qian

    Just found out that there are 7 confirmed cases and 8 suspect cases in my apartment complex, including one suspect case in my building! I don’t think these are necessarily new cases (we had know about seven cases in four families before), they are just now being captured into the system, rather than left in the shadows. All of them seem to have been sent to hospitals or quarantine facilities.

    I take that as a hopeful sign that the government and the medical system is finally getting a handle on the situation, and that the five tier system for handling different types of cases is starting to work.

    I am not panicking, since panic is unproductive. It changes nothing to our routine, which is to stay indoors unless absolutely necessary, and take every possible precaution when we do have to go outside, and we designated two people in the family for outside missions. Good practice for the zombie apocalypse!

    However, if anyone in my family gets infected, especially older my in-laws, then I would be in a very different mental state…

  20. 20.

    YY_Sima Qian

    @debbie: If the CCP regime did not put the people before the economy (at least in this case), it would not have locked down 50 million people in Hubei, and significantly curtailing people movement (and thus economic activity) in much of the rest of the country.

    The regime has a very strong sense of self-preservation and self-interest, with everything that implies. One of the consequences of taking leadership and responsibility over everything is that the regime will be ultimately be blamed if the situation continue to deteriorate, people will shift their angry gaze from local authorities upward. There is no opposition to shift blame to. For a domestic disaster as this, there is little scope to scapegoat foreigners (unlike, say, economic impact from the trade war).

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    ziggy

    Morning threads are always old and crusty by the time I get up on the west coast. But I will be watching the situation in North Korea closely. It looks like it could get very ugly with a malnourished and poorly educated population, lack of adequate medical facilities, professionals and supplies, and unwillingness to work with the outside world.

  24. 24.

    Mai naem mobile

     

    @opiejeanne: thank you.

    I have a friend who works on the administrative end of an ER in Phoenix. They had somebody come in and wanted to get checked out because they had shook hands with a Chinese American.  Shook hands. Not symptomatic. Not Chinese American who had travelled to China and just come back. No, just an American who happens to be of Chinese descent. No doubt this person is a  Trumpov voter.

    The other day somebody here asked about what kind of mask so I googled it because I remember there being one mask in particular that there was a run on during some other worldwide pandemic panic. I found it interesting that when you google corona virus you get a bunch of legitimate websites  – CDC, medscape etc  Why didn’t google do that with the Hillary ‘scandals’ or the Obama ‘scandals’ ?  I don’t do Facebook but I would like to know if FB is controlling misinformation like Google is

  25. 25.

    WaterGirl

    @Mai naem mobile:

    I don’t do Facebook but I would like to know if FB is controlling misinformation like Google is.

    I don’t do facebook either, but the answer is no.  Or maybe no, maybe the answer is yes – because I do think they are deliberately controlling misinformation by deliberately allowing it, and taking money for it.

  28. 28.

    Betty

    I would guess that the spread of the virus may be wider than the map shows as a number of less developed countries don’t have the resources to test for it.

  29. 29.

    Mai naem mobile

    @WaterGirl: haha I didn’t even consider they would be getting money not to spread misinformation. It always comes down to money. All I wanted to point out is that it appears misinformation can be controlled and they are choosing not to control it.

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