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  3. 3.

    NotMax

    (Repeating.)

    Main takeaways::

    1) Klobuchar overplayed her hand.
    2) Bloomberg tonight earned no interest on his investment.

  5. 5.

    guachi

    And the winner?

    Sanders!!!!

    Because he’ll still be leading, will get 30% on Super Tuesday but there will be enough non-viable candidates that he’ll net 45% of the delegates and cruise to the nomination where he’ll lose to Trump.

  7. 7.

    guachi

    Everyone attacked Bloomberg because what they want to do is be the candidate that comes in second to Sanders.

  8. 8.

    Cheryl Rofer

    Warren was the clear winner. (disclosure: I’m backing her)

    Bloomberg was the clear loser, thanks largely to Warren, but with assists from everyone else.

    I’m seeing commentary on Twitter that Warren should have attacked Bernie more directly. The only one on stage who attacked Bernie noticeably was Pete, with a bit from the others. I think this is a wrong take. The way Warren wins is to provide a vision. Bernie is pretty good at this too.

    Some tiny fraction of the total delegate count has been awarded so far. Even Super Tuesday will be a small fraction of the total. The story the media tell will have a lot to do with who wins. It’s hard to say what their preferred take will be on this.

    But I saw women on Twitter loving what Warren did, as did I.

  9. 9.

    Mary G

    Pot meet kettle:

    Warren pounding Bloomberg about non disclosure agreements signed by women. All companies have those. Bloomberg looks weak.— Bill O'Reilly (@BillOReilly) February 20, 2020

  10. 10.

    NotMax

    Shall never, ever happen but wouldn’t it be dynamite if Obama was invited to be a questioner at one of these shindigs?

  13. 13.

    guachi

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    The fact that only Buttigieg really attacked Sanders backs my point that everyone on stage, in particular Warren as she hit Bloomberg so hard, is only playing to come in second to Sanders.

    Sad, really.

    Sanders will still be at 30% and all we’ll do is shuffle spots 2-6.

  18. 18.

    Cheryl Rofer

    There’s a certain amount of complaining that there wasn’t enough about how the candidates would attack Trump, but I think it’s wrongheaded. We saw how the candidates would take on Trump. Bloomberg clearly is unqualified. Bernie would shout and wag his finger. Pete manages to maintain a veneer of calmness and is pretty good on his feet. Amy has good attacks and responses but gets rattled. Biden could probably handle Trump in his own way. But Warren has the facts and is willing to take the fight to him. Her attack on Bloomberg’s NDAs was masterful. Think about her doing that to Trump.

  20. 20.

    divF

    @guachi: Liz realized that someone had to take it to Mike tonight, and she was the only one equipped to do so.  If Bloomberg has been knocked out, this will win her big points with the left wing of the party, given the way that everyone was soiling their undergarments with his rocketing up in the polls.

    She will get a shot at Bernie before Super Tuesday.

    ETA: FWIW, I think that her judgement was correct – Bloomberg was the greatest threat.

  25. 25.

    guachi

    @NotMax: It’s a perfectly probably outcome. Something similar happened in the first two primaries where Sanders got about 26% of the vote and 33% and 38% of the delegates.

    In California, Sanders is the ONLY candidate about 15% in a poll out today. So all the statewide delegates would go to him and the candidates would split the other delegates as some would hit 15% here and there.

    32% of the vote and he’ll net 50+% of the delegates. Game over.

  27. 27.

    WaterGirl

    After watching this debate, I feel like I could vote for Warren, Biden or Pete without having to hold my nose. I believe it will be possible for any of those three to beat Trump in the general election.

    I think Warren, Biden and Buttigieg were all pretty strong in this debate.  Tonight was not a good night for Amy K and I think what is showed is that she does not have the temperament for the job.

    Happily, it was an abysmal night for Bloomberg.  I desperately hope that has an impact on his polling.

  28. 28.

    Cheryl Rofer

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Tonight she said she was for capitalism, but regulated capitalism. That’s a distinction.

    And empathy and real emotion contrast pretty favorably to shouting and wagging one’s finger, but that’s just me. I can imagine listening to President Warren for four (eight) years, not so much President Sanders.

  30. 30.

    vj

    @Cheryl Rofer: I agree with this take.

    Warren did the best in showing leadership. Sanders and Biden did well (at or above expectations) I wouldn’t expect them to lose support. Biden could get a bounce if he picks up Bloomberg’s supporters. I didn’t think Buttigieg or Klobuchar helped themselves much. Any fans of theirs that think tonight will help their momentum?

  34. 34.

    Another Scott

    @Cheryl Rofer: Exactly.

    And tonight wasn’t about Trump.  It was about the candidates showing that they’re willing to fight for the nomination.  SP Warren brought the flamethrower.  Bernie brought his 2016 stump speech.  Amy brought her stilettos for ex-Mayor Pete, but he brought some boxing gloves and chainmail and fought back.  Uncle Joe returned to his “how are you going to pay for it, Bernie” and “I got it done”, but had no answer except “Unfair!!” when Liz pointed out that he thought Moscow Mitch should be re-elected.

    Pete is getting better, but he continues to rub me the wrong way.  His sing-song speaking style sounds fake to me.

    Amy still seems to be campaigning for Senate or Governor or something to me.  What’s her vision for where she wants to take the country?  She is not good at all in responding to counter-punching.

    Tonight was a job interview – one of many.

    I have no idea how this played outside my head, but I like Liz’s chances.  It’s still early, and I think that she’s got what it takes to go the distance.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  36. 36.

    Avalune

    @WaterGirl: I wonder though – which wins out – people seeing him eviscerated tonight and walking away vs how many are just hypnotized by the mass amounts of ads…

  38. 38.

    debbie

    @Baud:

    The theory in the previous thread that Warren was running to be BS’s Veep makes zero sense to me. I still don’t think he is inevitable.

  39. 39.

    WaterGirl

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: If we consider the fact (?) that people don’t vote on policy as much as they vote based on temperament, style,  authenticity, etc… I would say that there is a tremendous amount of daylight between Warren and Sanders.

  40. 40.

    Avalune

    Pete makes me think of a dad trying to reason with a teenager – no Tammy you can’t wear that out…

  43. 43.

    Another Scott

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Bernie’s problem is he’s all talk.  And he’s always been all talk.  Liz showed how you actually take on a billionaire, and she’s been doing it for years.

    (repost:)

    DeVos. Stumpf. Equifax. Sloan. Mnuchin. Wells Fargo. Kraninger. Elizabeth Warren is unafraid to fight the big fights against banks, corporations, & billionaires — and when she picks fights, she wins. pic.twitter.com/Jy7IGrHWfc— Maria Langholz (@MariaLangholz) February 19, 2020

     

    Bernie is incapable of doing that. He thinks slogans are all-powerful.

    She did fine tonight.  IMHO, of course.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  44. 44.

    Immanentize

    In attacking the opponent, one should first eliminate his allies.

    I thought that Bloomberg would follow this and try to knock off Biden tonight.  But getting rid of side candidates is not a bad strategy for Warren.  As the race narrows, and it is, Sanders will be more exposed.  Whether there is still enough time for this to happen is still a question.  But a deminished Sanders going into the convention without a majority of pledged delegates is not a bad thing for us, I think, even if he ends up the nominee.

  46. 46.

    WaterGirl

    @Baud: I think if Warren had tried to go after Bloomberg and Bernie in the same debate, it would have weakened her position.

    There is every reason to believe Elizabeth Warren is methodical, and it seems clear that she is totally outraged by Bloomberg thinking he can buy the presidency.

    I think she went all in on Bloomberg tonight in an attempt to stop him in his tracks.  That doesn’t mean that Bernie gets a pass; I think it means that she was laser focused on two things tonight: 1) knocking Bloomberg off and 2) not being invisible and not allow them to fucking ignore her.

    First things first.

  50. 50.

    Marcopolo

    Watched MSNBC long enough to see the three candidates they did post-interviews with were Biden, Klobuchar, and Buttigieg. Apparently the EW revolution will not be televised.

    And the only prediction I’ll make is that by the end of the DNC in Milwaukee we will have a nominee.

  51. 51.

    Kent

    Saw something on twitter.

    If Bill Clinton joined the race he would be the second youngest man on the stage.

  54. 54.

    feebog

    Warren clearly won this one because she had the courage to eviscerate Bloomberg.  Look, Bernie has the inside track here because Biden, Bloomberg, Klobuchar and Buttigieg are splitting the moderate vote.  And it may be too late to fix that.  Super Tuesday will net Wilmer the delegates he needs to reach a plurality.  If he gets the nomination, it is going to be nasty.  If he doesn’t get the nomination a large plurality of his supporters walks away.  Not a good scenario in either case.

  56. 56.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @guachi: I would say that any predictions before SC and probably before Super Tuesday will be about as accurate as we would get from reading entrails.

  58. 58.

    Another Scott

    @WaterGirl: +1.

    Exactly, also too.

    She can’t win if she’s ignored by the press.  And strangling ex-Mayor Mike in his crib is a lot easier than trying to do it later.

    “Feed me, Seymour!!”

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  60. 60.

    Kent

    @WaterGirl:

    @Baud: I think if Warren had tried to go after Bloomberg and Bernie in the same debate, it would have weakened her position.

    There is every reason to believe Elizabeth Warren is methodical, and it seems clear that she is totally outraged by Bloomberg thinking he can buy the presidency.

    I think she went all in on Bloomberg tonight in an attempt to stop him in his tracks.  That doesn’t mean that Bernie gets a pass; I think it means that she was laser focused on two things tonight: 1) knocking Bloomberg off and 2) not being invisible and not allow them to fucking ignore her.

    First things first.

    I expect Warren and her staff are smarter than all of us.

    If I had to make a guess, she and her staff are gaming out (probably correctly) that Bernie’s core support is stronger than that for any other candidate.  And that if she is going to peel off supporters and increase her numbers it is primarily going to have to come from the non-Bernie side of the field.  The people who want the lefty outsider already have Bernie.

    Warren’s path to the nomination is to peel off Bloomberg, Biden, Buttigieg, and Klobuchar supporters.  She will only ever get a small fraction of the Bernie-verse.

    Likewise, she is probably the only non-Sanders candidate who is likely to be able to energize the greatest numbers of Bernie supporters if she does win the nomination.

  63. 63.

    Butter Emails

    @guachi:

    Everyone attacked Bloomberg because what they want to do is be the candidate that comes in second to Sanders.

    Why is is that you believe attacking Sanders is the path to beating Sanders? Sanders has a strong core of support. They aren’t going anywhere when he gets attacked. There’s a fair group of people who don’t want Sanders as the nominee, but it’s  significantly less than a majority based on head to head polls and even that group probably isn’t voting solely on who tears into Sanders most effectively. The big pool of voters, is the “I just want someone who can beat Trump voters.”

    The strategy to beat Bernie is to knock all the other non Bernie candidates out of the race and in the process make the case that you’re the best candidate to beat Trump. Do that and the anyone but Bernie vote becomes yours automatically and you should have the “Beat Trump” voters shift away from Bernie in you favor.

  65. 65.

    Anya

    All I am going to say is I am happy Elizebeth Warren ended Bloomberg’s run (I hope). I just donated to her campaign.

    I’ll worry about grandpa shouty tomorrow.

  67. 67.

    WaterGirl

    @Avalune: Time will tell, of course, but I think that some people who would even consider voting for Bloomberg – who really does not have Democratic best interests at heart – might also be people who have a more superficial view of things, and will therefore expect the rich guy with all the power and status to be strong.

    Anyone who liked Bloomberg going into this had to be doing so because they thought he was the one to beat Trump.

    I would be surprised if anybody who was truly Bloomberg curious watched tonight came away thinking that Bloomberg was anything but weak and whiny.

    Shorter WG: my crystal ball says tonight hurt Bloomberg.  I’m not someone who feels like I always have to be right, but I sure hope I’m right about this.

  70. 70.

    Adam L Silverman

    Tonight’s debate was:

    Lizzie Warren took an axe and gave Mike Bloomberg 40 whacks.

    The next debate will be:

    When she saw what she had done, she gave (insert candidate name here) 41.

  75. 75.

    Morzer

    @WaterGirl: I want to know two things: how many NEW donors Elizabeth Warren got and where Biden’s numbers are heading. I would not be surprised to see Bloomberg-curious voters moving to Biden to block Senator Shouty.

  76. 76.

    Adam L Silverman

    @TaMara (HFG): You can thank the rules changes for how to qualify for the debates that Tom Perez and his people agreed to that were proposed by Senator Sanders’ people – Nina Turner, Zogby, Nomiki Konst – in order to keep Sanders and them inside the tent pissing out, rather than outside pissing in.

  78. 78.

    Jinchi

    @WaterGirl: I think if Warren had tried to go after Bloomberg and Bernie in the same debate, it would have weakened her position.

    I think people are missing the point. Warren doesn’t attack her competitors for it’s own sake or just to take them down a peg. She attacks people for the things they’ve done or in counterpoint to accusations they make against her.

    Bloomberg is money-in-politics made flesh, and he bought his way onto the Democratic debate stage. There was simply no way Warren was going to ignore that. The whole reason she’s running is to make sure that a campaign like Bloomberg’s doesn’t succeed.

  81. 81.

    PJ

    @Kent: Agreed.  Anybody who isn’t Bernie Sanders is unacceptable to the core of Sanders supporters, who I would guess at being 15-20% of the 25% he’s getting in polls.  It’s possible to peel off those 5-10% of “still willing to vote Democratic” supporters, but not easy at this stage.  It’s much easier for Warren to pick up supporters from the other candidates right now.

  82. 82.

    WaterGirl

    @Morzer: I want to know those two things, plus one more.  I want to know where Amy K’s supporters are going to land.  My money says they will land on Warren.

    Everyone I had previously donated to is out of the race.  Warren gets money from me, for the first time, tomorrow.

  83. 83.

    CaseyL

    OMG those kitty assassins are adorable.

    I followed the debate here and on Twitter, and am delighted that Warren brought a flamethrower and used it. More of this, please!

    I don’t understand the Klobuchar v. Buttigieg animosity – I mean, I understand the reasons for it, but not why she lets him get under her skin. It’s fine to regard him, and treat him, as a lightweight, but bashing him constantly? Maybe she figures he’s her most direct competitor for the somewhat-moderate voters.

    If I understand how things went correctly, the candidates at some point plain ignored the moderators and talked directly to/at/about one another. Considering how bad the moderating is, I like that, too and would like to see more of it.

    Oh, and it’s rich how Sanders supports whoever-has-the-most votes now, when he didn’t four years ago.

    Solidified my support for Warren.

  84. 84.

    hilts

    For what it’s worth, even Chris Matthews thought Warren won.  I thought she had many electrifying moments tonight and hopefully this performance gives her the momentum to finish second in the Nevada caucus.  If Warren can’t finish in the top 3 in Nevada after what she did on stage tonight, then these voters are simply brain dead.  I’ve never seen her perform any better than she did tonight.

    Warren 2020

  85. 85.

    guachi

    @WaterGirl: I do think if Klobuchar fades her voters largely go to Warren. And probably Biden and Buttigieg.

    I can’t see them going much to Bloomberg or Sanders. The only two candidates I’ve donated to are Warren and Klobuchar at $50 each. Probably give another $50 this week.

    Her supporters are heavily white, so the Warren and especially Buttigieg are likely landing spots. Ironic, too, as Klobuchar clearly doesn’t like Buttigieg.

    In NH, Klobuchar did very well among white women 65+ and I can see Warren doing really well there, too.

  86. 86.

    Anya

    My last comment.

    Honestly, I think Warren was legit offended by Bloomberg straight up trying to buy the nomination. And I think she’s also personally offended by his misogynistic spewings. My reading of her is that she is frustrated by Bernie’s lack of specificity but Bernie does not offend her personally.

  87. 87.

    Martin

    @WaterGirl: Yeah, Bloomberg didn’t serve himself well here. I don’t think anything directed toward him was unfair – he just didn’t handle it well.

    I think he can recover, but it’s going to take more work than if he had handled it tonight. I thought Warren did a better job than Bernie going after him. Bernie’s attack was dumb – you’re bad because you’re rich, and Bloombergs retort was pretty much what it should have been – you’re the one in the Senate. It’s your policy.

    If I had to pick the person on that stage that I think can take on Trump in a debate, it’s Warren. I wish I had any optimism there will be a debate.

  91. 91.

    Kent

    @guachi: My wife is giving to Klobuchar.  Every time she does so I give to Warren.

    For both of us, the other candidate is our second choice.  I expect that is common.

  92. 92.

    WaterGirl

    @CaseyL:

    Maybe she figures he’s her most direct competitor for the somewhat-moderate voters.

    I think that’s exactly what it is.  Buttigieg is in “her lane” and how dare he do that!

    This is personal for her with Buttigieg.  I think Buttigieg is just fighting fire with fire; I don’t think it’s personal with him.

    If you want to be the mean girl and dish it out, you’d better be able to take it, and she failed miserably on that tonight.

    She had her moment in the sun after the last debate, and I hope she’s out before Super Tuesday.

    edited: originally copied the wrong text by mistake.

  93. 93.

    sukabi

    @Baud: knocking Bloomberg out before the media and other billionaires start to back him was important. Kudos to Warren for that…also saving her fire for Sanders for later is a calculated risk….but he looked like crap tonight….too flushed and TIRED. Looked very old and used up. He may not be able to go the distance.

  95. 95.

    guachi

    @sukabi: What I saw of Sanders he looked and sounded bad. Not necessarily what he was saying but his presentation was poor. And Biden looks really really old.

    I mean, if Bill Clinton ran for President he’d be younger than Sanders, Biden, and Trump.

  97. 97.

    Jean

    There’s something annoying to someone about every  candidate’s stylistic speech patterns.  Aside from Bloomberg and Sanders, whom I will only support if either wins the nomination, I would gladly vote for any of the others and will come to a decision by VA primary on March 3.  What I don’t find appealing is Warren’s rapid fire listing of items of what’s possible.  It just grates on my nerves. We can rebuild the world in my presidency.  With X dollars, we can (on and on and on). A seemingly inexhaustible list.  I still like her and may will vote for her in VA’s primary, but she’s not easy for me to listen to for any length of time.

  98. 98.

    Chris Johnson

    Again, I’m very pleased to see Biden standing up to Bloomberg. If we gotta have a centrist Dem, BIDEN deserves to carry that banner and has earned it over years of service, and I wouldn’t be ashamed to vote for him, and I think he’d have our backs. Joe would keep faith and I think he’d be able to keep up as younger, braver Democrats reinvented the country and our world, in the nick of time, with everything at stake. I hate Bloomberg and everything he stands for, passionately, and am deeply offended that he’s been taking votes from Biden. That stops now, apparently, and good, it should stop. The NERVE of the guy.

    Now, if it’s up to me and I don’t HAVE to vote for Biden in the general…

    Warren.

    THAT is my President. :)

  99. 99.

    oldgold

    Watching the impeachment trial, I thought in a country of 350,000,000 how can we have a Senate so damn mediocre, if that, and corrupt.

    Tonight I had a similar thought – is this really the best we can do?

    We are not going to solve our problems until we fix the system that produces our pols.

  100. 100.

    hilts

    @PJ: 

    I’m not ready to count Warren out yet. She and the other female candidates have been treated horribly by the media and she deserves a lot more support.

  101. 101.

    WaterGirl

    @oldgold:

    We are not going to solve our problems until we fix the system that produces our pols.

    It’s too bad that none of our candidates are taking about the corruption.  Oh, wait…

  102. 102.

    oldgold

     

    @WaterGirl:

    That is not what i heard tonight.

    Tonight they wasted an opportunity to address the extraordinary corruption of our President.  Instead, we got a bunch of hectoring intramural hooey.

  103. 103.

    TriassicSands

    I think Warren would be by far the best president, but she’s made some serious mistakes. Allowing herself to be tied to far-left Sanders. Being unrealistic about getting rid of private and employer-provided insurance. And more…

    I’ll continue to support her (and work for her) but I don’t see her displacing Sanders among the most progressive Dems. They’re the people who should be supporting her. Why they can’t see her substance and Sanders’ shallowness, I don’t know.

    If I wanted a presidential candidate who would:

    1. Shout and hog credit he doesn’t deserve, I’d go with Biden.

    2. Get all those damn kids off my lawn, I’d support Bernie.

    3. Rely heavily on being young and vague about substance, I would back Buttigieg.

    4. Buy the election, it would be Bloomberg.

    5. Emphasize her ability to work with Republicans (who won’t work with her), then Klobuchar would be my choice.

    6. Be a good president and address the real problems we face, Warren would (and will) get my vote. I’d be happier if she had a better campaign manager and advisors.

    @Kent:

    My wife is giving to Klobuchar.  Every time she does so I give to Warren.

    For both of us, the other candidate is our second choice.  I expect that is common.

    Klobuchar is my second choice because she’s a woman and acceptable. I want a woman president before I die.

  105. 105.

    piratedan

    Yeah… i do not get the idea that Sen Warren is running for 2nd place… she is NOT BernieLite… she is MegaLiz… they hold similar positions but she has done the actual work to get them into reality… she understands that Mitch McConnell is just as much an enemy as DJT.  She’s actually done political work that benefits people such as the CPFB… I know that we’re all used to looking at this thru the Male lens of the MSM… but Warren has a much better chance of coalescing support than Sen Sanders because her supporters are not a bunch of purity pony assholes nor does she carry his baggage.  If she loses to him, yes i expect her to support him… just like every other fucking Democrat and work their asses off despite it all.

  107. 107.

    The Dangerman

    @PJ:

    Anybody who isn’t Bernie Sanders is unacceptable to the core of Sanders supporters…

    Anyone that doesn’t buy into Job 1 (of 1) is beating Trump can take a walk for all I care. I’ll take a chance at victory with a Non-BS candidate (and those walkers can stay home if they want) over a shellacking. My guess is they will come around en masse and vote for the candidate that isn’t Donald Trump (i.e., the same thing all the Never Trumpers did 4 years ago).

  109. 109.

    cain

    @WaterGirl:

    This. I think Warren made the right call. Bernie will get his thumping later. For now, get rid of the weaker candidates and shoot for #2 and then do the oppo research to show that Bernie will have some serious problems in the main election.

    My worry is that going after Bernie is goign to enrage his followers who seem to have the disposition of British hooligans.

  110. 110.

    cain

    @Anya:

    I did as well. I plan on giving more. My brother gave to Bernie and I think that is the first time he has ever given money to a candidate that I am ever aware of.

  111. 111.

    Hkedi [Kang T. Q.]

    @Martin:

    I wish I had any optimism there will be a debate.

    Yeah, there is never going to be a presidential debate this year. The Trump administration will demand insane requirements, like complete control of all questions asked, no live debate, and complete footage ownership, control, and editing rights.

    When the nominee declines (i.e. This is not Stalinist Russia you maniacs), Trump Twitter, bribes and MSM spinelessness will try to paint the theme of. OmG TeH DeMoNcRaTs ArE BeInG sO UnReSoNaBlE!!1!11!.

    Basically a draw in the polls, which is kinda a win for the insanity.

    Why did I have to live in the INTERESTING times?

  112. 112.

    Inventor

    “Lizzie Warren took an axe and gave Mike Bloomberg 40 whacks.”

    When the nomination’s won, she’ll give Donald Trump 41.

  113. 113.

    Hkedi [Kang T. Q.]

    @piratedan:

    I understand what you are saying, it’s incredibly frustrating.  To give you a bit of hope, I seem to remember that Lincoln was everybody’s favorite candidate too before his nomination.

  114. 114.

    TriassicSands

    @Hkedi [Kang T. Q.]:

    Rest assured, whether there is or isn’t a debate, we will have to put up with Trump constantly talking/tweeting about home much he wants to debate. Just like he wanted to sit down with Mueller and how much he wanted to testify during the impeachment. The poor guy. They never let him do anything…

  115. 115.

    Fair Economist

    @Inventor: Slight alteration for scanning:

    “Lizzie Warren took an axe and gave Mike Bloomberg 40 whacks.

    When the nomination’s won, she’ll give Donald 41.”

  116. 116.

    Kent

    @Fair Economist:

    @Inventor: Slight alteration for scanning:

    “Lizzie Warren took an axe and gave Mike Bloomberg 40 whacks.

    When the nomination’s won, she’ll give Donald 41.”

    Liz shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die.

  120. 120.

    Jay

    Funny thing about the last couple of weeks, is roughly 80% of the people I ‘stan with on social media, have “gone” for Elizabeth Warren. Not just said she’s their cantidate choice or given, ( for the more prominent ones), their endorsement, but they have joined her crew to canvass, staff, call, write and work their social media.

    a bunch of them used to be if anything in the “Bern it All Down” camp of one sort of another believing that America, from race to economy, could not be fixed or made more fair.

    The Turd Reich Media is disappearing Elizabeth Warren, but the funny thing is, she’s not running a Media Campaign, ( like Bernie or Bloomberg) she’s running a ground game.

    Will she get one on one with all 70+ million Democratic Party voters by the end of the Primaries, nope, but I would guess she’ll get to more than half.

    Once upon a time, Americans and America used to dream big and achieve what seemed impossible.

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