It amazes me that people thought including Bloomberg in the debates was a DNC conspiracy to help Bloomberg
— Scott Lemieux (@LemieuxLGM) February 20, 2020
"Candidates, please raise your hand if you wanna talk some big sh*t about Bloomberg" pic.twitter.com/58WPR9LoSC
— The Daily Show (@TheDailyShow) February 20, 2020
This debate so far:
Bloomberg: I should have just bought every commercial during this shit-show and stayed home
Sanders: Watch me yell until a faulty heart would have burst to prove I’m healthy!
Warren: I will bite the head off a live bat if any of you people f*** with me
— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) February 20, 2020
— Pod Save America (@PodSaveAmerica) February 20, 2020
I love to see women standing up for each other AND I love to see women challenging each other and competing for power just as they do with men. We’re seeing both tonight and it’s awesome. https://t.co/2MU821nn0b
— Jill Filipovic (@JillFilipovic) February 20, 2020
Because you can express gender solidarity and still have serious, substantive disagreements, and somehow the two remaining female candidates know how to do that balancing act better than like 80% of the Internet https://t.co/Rtsi9IiD1n
— Sady Doyle (@sadydoyle) February 20, 2020
Guess I should have caught the debate after all. https://t.co/Ucc8X3TggS
— Starfish Who Should Be Told To Get Back To Work (@IRHotTakes) February 20, 2020
I used worry about Trump walloping Warren on a debate stage, and holy shit do I now wanna see that progressive pitbull go after that tangerine taint wart.
— Peter Wolf (@peterawolf) February 20, 2020
Everyone on this debate stage is exciting and interesting except Bloomberg and everyone is punching at him and he seems very unnerved by the whole “being asked questions and held accountable” thing.
— Jill Filipovic (@JillFilipovic) February 20, 2020
Hey but if nothing else this is an absolutely fantastic advertisement for whoever manufactured Bloomberg's stents
— AntiCorruptionHat! (@Popehat) February 20, 2020
Wow Bloomberg is really eating it. He should send his social media staff next time.
— Jill Filipovic (@JillFilipovic) February 20, 2020
Tons of respect for Pete on this answer. https://t.co/2Slnl0qOaq
— Mangy Jay (@magi_jay) February 20, 2020
Just to recap: Bloomberg had quite a first half that looked nothing like his ads.
Bloomberg: I'm embarrassed by the way stop and frisk turned out.
Bloomberg: I only have some women with NDAs who didn't like my jokes.
Bloomberg: I'm too wealthy to use Turbo Tax.
— Yamiche Alcindor (@Yamiche) February 20, 2020
When you’re really excited to be sharing the stage with the other guy pic.twitter.com/Of9fEC2nzK
— Dan Diamond (@ddiamond) February 20, 2020
Bloomberg on Sanders: “The best known socialist in the country is a millionaire with three homes.”
— Lindy Li (@lindyli) February 20, 2020
Bernie getting so angry over that Bloomberg punch is a great example of one of Bernie’s greatest weaknesses: he’s thin-skinned and has never faced a negative campaign. And I’m not talking about debates, I’m talking about every ad, every every press story, everything.
— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) February 20, 2020
Twitter was made for this stuff???
You should include the tweet where someone snarked that Bloomberg brought a wallet to a knife fight.
Made me chuckle.
Warren: Guess who’s a fighter? My mom. Killed a man once. I helped bury him in the back yard.
Warren absolutely laying into Bloomberg is the clip of the night to me.
The entire story of the primary, in my eyes, is that Bernie has added nothing to his candidacy since 2016. He’s been riding that wave and not adding anything to it since then.
Where are the clips of him dressing down Bloomberg? Where are his off the cuff moments? He can’t think on his feet, and he can’t even get passionate enough to match Warren’s righteous fury on the stage tonight. It doesn’t bode well for the general if he ends up the nominee.
He’s as stagnant and past his peak as Biden.
Liz showed up with a Bowie knife. And she used it effectively, gutting Bloomberg in the first two minutes. Bloomberg had a paring knife, but he didn’t know which end to hold and ended up cutting himself.
I bet the fighting in the debate looked something like this.
Video from Wuhan, China, after a film crew was stranded available here.
BLoomberg’s dig on Sanders was probably his best moment.
And even that’s not much of one; if you’re that old and have a good job, you SHOULD be that affluent. (And I’m a little surprised Sanders is bothered at all by it…he’s had the time to game it out)
Did Bloomberg shout “oww, my dick!!!!” after Warren hit him there with his own arm? Related: did Bloomberg shout “oww, my arm!!!” as it was being ripped off?
It’s just amazing to me how many Warren supporters (at least proclaimed) in the previous threads seem afraid to say she won the debate when she clearly won the freakin’ debate.
@moonbat: people on this site judge Warren’s success by whether or not she destroys Bernie.
She won tonight because the focal point of her campaign messaging waltzed onto the stage like he owned the place, and she burned it down around him. I don’t know what it means in the long run at this point, but it was a great night for her.
I’m liking #OKBloomberg
@moonbat: How did she win?
She gave the guy in first place the kid gloves treatment, while savaging the guy in second or third, depending on the poll.
Unless her new goal is to be Bernie’s VP nominee.
It’s just a flesh wound.
The hashtag, and the fact that it exists. Not the candidate *shudder
Can we please have a supercut of Wilmer and Moneybags Mike going at each others’ throats?
Can we also have a Bashing Bloomberg supercut?
@Cacti: That notion might appeal to you, but I think she distinguished herself from Mr. “I am going to repeat my 2016 stump speech until I am red in the face” Sanders pretty well. He looked weak and a bit lost.
@Served: I think that if Warren wants to make a comeback, and if she makes a comeback, to win the nomination, she has to do a lot more work than just attack Sanders. She needs to get some more moderate leaning voters away from the centrists, and not piss off Sanders supporters who would otherwise go over to her as their second choice.
I think Warren’s campaign ran into problems because her political message and identity got muddled after she allowed herself to be cornered by corporate media CW, and get way too deep in the weeds over ‘homuchitgonna cost’ and ‘howugonnapassit”. She can’t let that happen again.
@Cacti: She won’t move up hitting Sanders. He is extremely popular among rank and file Democrats. And when there’s a billionaire on the stage, with some Trump-like qualities, it would be political malpractice to not train your fire on him.
Looks like her performance tonight was solid though. Unfortunately, it also looks like Nevada primary voters cast alot of absentee/early voting, according to reporters like Steve Kornacki, at least. So, any wave of appreciation from today might not appear in the caucus results.
@jl: Yeah, she needs to be laser focused on an anti-corruption message. Honestly, not that many Democrats are talking about it as if it was their signature issue. It’s one she could (and for awhile did) own.
Warren did exactly what I dared hope. Bloomberg walked right into the wood chipper.
Like that other great Elizabeth (Tudor), Warren is showing just how beautifully a smart passionate woman can cut men’s balls off & collect them in a jar next to her bed. I’m sure she already has a special box ready for Donnie’s tiny orange pair.
@cokane: Warren’s corporate reform proposals are detailed, feasible, badly needed, and I think would be popular. I don’t know why she doesn’t follow her anti-corruption message with an intuitive explanation of her plan. After a while, her mentions of corruption got too close to being just a slogan with not follow-up.
And BTW, I read a news story someplace that Warren campaign first one to say Bloomberg should be in the debates. Not sure how reliable that story is.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
So what does Bloomberg think will happen to him if gets the nomination? If anything Trump will be even more vicious. There is a lot to be said for politics isn’t for amateurs.
Liz shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.
@moonbat: He was pretty red in the face the whole debate.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Yes, some line like “So was FDR.”
Liz Warren shot the sheriff.
@jl: she is, and always has been, very clearly, running a platform and not a candidate campaign. The fact that people expect her to fight Sanders is crazy… She hasn’t fought anyone. She’s kept her focus on the target is her policies and rhetoric, which is the same target as Sanders, but he hasn’t bothered to update his tactics in the past three and a half years.
Is it a good or smart strategic move? I’m not sure, but laying it all on her and only her to DESTROY BERNIE at all costs us a weird benchmark to hold her and only her to. And that’s what some people here (a minority of a minority in the grand scheme) expect of her.
In the broader primary, she hasn’t fully connected yet. I don’t know what it means exactly, but demonstrating policy and administrative competency is a difficult sell in our system and she’s been trying to fill that lane.
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: His whole campaign is quixotic in a way I’ll never understand. The man spoke at the 2004 Republican National Convention. I mean that is not ancient history. And all the facts Warren laid out about NDA’s was public knowledge. Whatever campaign team conned him into running is probably getting a good payday though.
Yes, the DNC made the right call by letting Bloomberg into this debate for all to see. It’s called vetting.
@Enhanced Voting Techniques I suspect the issue with that is that FDR wasn’t a socialist. More like Warren: Capitalism good, but with restraints.
Sanders isn’t really a socialist either, but he’s clinging to that label like a badge.
@Served: Agreed. Time will tell what the outcome of the debate will be. We can predict or second guess all we want, but I was just commenting on the reluctance of Warren supporters to take a win when it is right in front of them. It’s almost like people are gripped with some sort of post-Clinton loss PTSD. I just want to point out that it’s okay. We can still support the strongest, most prepared and compassionate candidate on the debate stage. We don’t have to surrender all our principles to the first billionaire who comes along pretending to be a Democrat.
@Served: It’s just people here. And a few other online diehard polifan spaces.
No smart Democrat would advise her to start attacking Sanders in the midst of this race. A disproportionate number of people here have unreasonable antipathy towards Sanders.
@Kent: Sounds like it was more the Fish Slapping Dance, but instead of slapping, it was dropping a frozen tuna on Bloomberg.
That was delightful. I am a happy Warren supporter. Hopefully, the media will pick up on the threads exposed in the ‘Mayor Mike Massacre’ and Bloomers will slink back to a purely financial role for defeating Cheetolini.
@Cacti: respectfully disagree, I think her plan is to take down everyone else, leaving the Bernistas to come to the realization that a woman has beaten him again, playing by his rules and actually articulating plans for his ideas that do not involve magical underpants gnomes. Is it a long game strategy, yes it is, but lets face it, taking on the Bernistas before you’re ready to simply allows them to assassinate you via twitter and dig their heels in deeper as the Bernie Bros have shown, time and time again. The rest of us are well acquainted with the failings of the Senator from Vermont, I believe she is as well. I think she finds him lazy and disorganized, the trolls that are propping him up however, are not.
Does this mean that they STILL won’t go 3rd party spoiler, I’m sure that there’s a certain ratfucking element firmly embedded in the Sanders candidacy that will do their utmost to repeat 2016. Warren is doing what she can to keep those youngs that have been attracted to him in play to vote Democratic.
With 45 in place, she’s playing the long game to try and capture every last fucking vote that she can. If that means laying off Bernie until the end and keeping those people engaged, then so be it. Besides, we still have another four months of this, for all we know, Bernie may code himself out of the race and pissing off his block of voters would be unwise, where else would they likely go? Whereas I judge the rest of the supporters out there supporting other Democratic candidates to be a damn site more pragmatic.
How does one have reasonable antipathy towards Pouty the Shouty the one trick pony?
@mrmoshpotato: The name calling is definitely a sign that you’re being reasonable.
I dunno, I think you can call out that he hasn’t credibly said how he’ll pass his ambitious plans, or especially what he might be willing to settle for in a compromise with the legislature. But Warren’s campaign is kind of guilty of that as well.
@piratedan: I think Warren’s analysis is that the rest of the non-Sanders candidates have weak support at best. Mostly just people looking for who can win, not people who are super enamored with Biden, Bloomberg, or Klobuchar for who they are. Pete, I think probably has the most loyal following of the non-Sanders crowd but they are mostly not dead-enders. Whereas Sanders has the hardest-core following by far, and least easy to peel off.
For the short term her strategy of stripping support from the non-Sanders contingent is probably the correct one. And in the end, I think she is the most unifying candidate of the bunch. The one most likely to be able to bring together both Sanders supporters and the Biden/Klobuchar bunch.
She may have a very narrow and difficult path to the nomination. But the only way I see she gets there is to become the alternative to Sanders.
Liz once shot a man just for snoring.
“Take on Me” has reached a billion views on YouTube.
@Kent: no argument there, imho she has to coalesce the actual Dems first but showing that she is the fighter, she wants to end the corruption, she actually has plans and ideas and how to implement them and she understands that she needs coattails to do it and seemingly is the only one who is already actively working for all Dem candidates and her following is pretty damn passionate as well (three hours for selfies seems pretty passionate to me). She is doing outreach to people who don’t know her.
I understand people not being sold, or even being wary, because there has been so much of a daily onslaught that despair is easy to slip into. I can understand the obstacles of being seen as Clinton 2.0 and that the media is doing their damndest to fuck her over just due to their apparent opposition to having both a vagina and being competent, because I’m betting that there isn’t a single female out there directing political coverage from any major media entity.
Yup. Basically, she’s been saying if he wanted to be in the finals, he needed to play some regular-season games.
Pundits thought this was ‘more of that weak-sauce unity stuff, sucking up to the billionaire’. Pundits have been wrong all cycle, haven’t they?
Have been around the block quite more than a few times and followed his career* enough that it is well reasoned. Nothing he’s done or has presented when running for president has served to disabuse me of my prior opinion.
*Not that I singled him out, I try to keep abreast about plenty of others too.
@Cacti: Did you miss the question about the convention not automatically nominating the person with the most delegates? When the horsetrading freezes out Bernie and his 30% plurality, where do the non-nutty Sanders folks go?
EW only wins as a leftist who can consolidate that wing but also be acceptable to moderates. She torched many rivals last night, but I doubt anyone really hates here except perhaps Bloomberg. I think her decision to go easy (just a zing or two) on Bernie was shrewd.
(I will save you the trouble of pointing out that in your view all the Sanders voters are nutty. Please accept my apologies if I have you wrong on that).
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
Think about this: Sanders is currently the front runner and instead of being happy and reaching out, he has the sourest, shittiest look on red face. If this is how he looks during good times, think how bad he’s gonna get when things inevitably go bad.
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
@oatler.: Liz shot a billionaire just to watch him die
Did you see any of the day’s ‘Bernie won’t release his medical records, cuz you are not the boss of him, and besides it doesn’t matter, also what about Hillary fainting that one time in 2016, and anyway Bloomberg had a heart attack too [he didn’t], plus saying Bernie might be hiding something is just like birtherism, you racists’ news clips?
If Sanders’ paid campaign team – Brianna Joy Grey, David Sirota — keep doing such a stellar job of undercutting their own candidate, Warren won’t need to go after him.
@topclimber: Contested convention scenarios are still super unlikely. Candidates are going to drop out, even before super tuesday. And polling seems to indicate plenty of people will gravitate towards Sanders. Remember, Sanders regularly scores the highest approval ratings among primary voters in polling. He’s not unliked by the majority of this electorate.
Scroll down here if you want to check: https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/
Anyone left in now has to be all-in on one play:
Bernie’s is that winning a hard 31% is enough to convince everyone else to pick him.
Biden’s is that his lingering recognition is enough to power him to the lead after Super Tuesday.
Warren’s is that she can fundraise to Outlast the rest and coalesce supporters and delegates as the unity candidate.
Klobuchar thinks she can thread the Pete/Biden-Warren needle to win.
Pete’s is that he’ll be able to finish successfully enough to run in 4/8 years.
Bloomberg thinks he can fill the “I don’t want to have to think about politics” void Biden is failing to fully grasp.
Out of everyone, Bernie’s can succeed without any others’ success/failure.
I think Warren has the fundraising and middle support to meet her bet compared to the rest, and I with Bernie secure in his 28-32% frame. It will be an interesting (and possibly ugly) shakeout if they are both right.
@cokane: surely you jest. Warren hasn’t said what she’d settle for because that’s an insane way to conduct any kind of negotiation, especially one that hasn’t even begun yet. If you want to talk about credibly presenting how she’s going to get her agenda passed, then I’m not sure you’re watching the same woman as me: there were a few WEEKS where that was literally all she did was explain her plans.
Now if you want to get into Sanders’ flaws in a reasonable way, allow me to begin:
He has not succeeded at legislating a goddamn thing, even post-2016 when his profile was raised.
He has laid out no remotely reasonable platform that I have seen; reasonable in this case means I want to see direct solutions for problems with 1/10th Warren’s detail.
He has an out of control cult of personality running amok online and apparently in live events as well, and he has done the most mealymouthed work of getting them to quiet down.
He was the most-cited candidate of 2016 in suspect/illegal donations, something like 600 pages of problems. Seems doubtful all that money has been cleaned up.
Perfect score from the NRA, just gonna leave that right here.
I’m on mobile and my thumbs are wearing out, so anyone want to pile on?
Dog Dawg Damn
Klobuchar is finished after tonight. Her petulance and irritability were on full display. I’m sure she took Pete down with her, sadly, but perhaps it’ll cause moderates to flock to Warren.
He had a very bad day, after telling Anderson Cooper nobody could force him to release any more medical records. Of course that gave the lazy horse-race media an excuse to ‘raise the question: Is Bernie on death’s doorstep?’
… Which wouldn’t have amounted to more than the usual 12-hour news cycle wonder, *except* that Sanders’ highly professional campaign team had to seize the opportunity to do in public what they usually keep for social media. Now that Very Respectable People are saying that Bernie needs to either fire Brie Joy Grey, or release his full health records, or both… well, he can’t shitcan Grey because she’s the leader of his Skree Brigade troll army, and he can’t release his records because, well — at best, he thinks it’ll make him look like a compromiser , and his brand is Never Compromising.
You’d look a little harassed, too, given the circumstances. And that was before Bloomberg publicly welcomed him to the ‘millyunaires & billyunaires’ club!
@cokane: Point taken. Looks like he is strong as a second choice as well. I await the results in closed primary states and hope Liz gets enough traction to be the alternative to Bernie-Biden. (Bloomberg being toast).
Ooh, a nationwide poll (and straight out of Politico, no less) at this stage, from a firm which relies on online polling. Pardon my raucous guffaws.
How about hard result, like his third place finish in NH with voters over the age of 45 (he got 17%), the age group that makes up the lion’s share of people who vote in the general?
@Served: Polls indicate that Warren connected for a while, but then with her overly detailed plans on health care, something went wrong between her and the primary voters. I’m not sure what.
I don’t think she realized how difficult it would be to differentiate herself from Sanders (Warren is just the ‘other’ newbie progressive on the block), and she didn’t pound a progressive policy proposal that was her own, as distinct from Sanders. Her very excellent corporate reform is what I’d like her to yell about. But then, maybe corporate media would hate her as much as Sanders.
Well, running for national office is very hard, especially the first time out. I think she’s done great, considering it’s her first national campaign. But our country’s chances would be better if she could make a comeback.
@Anne Laurie: Nobody except extremely online Sanders haters are talking about this. Sanders released physicians’ reports at the time. I’m not actually sure why some more privacy invading information is any of our business. Would it really be a good precedent with female candidates to start demanding that everyone release some full medical history?
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
Warren is making a mistake by giving Wilmer a free pass.
There has been an incorrect narrative that Sanders was doing well until his heart attack. In fact, for 7 long months, from May 9 to December 7, Sanders was stuck at a 15% plateau (see graph) (see link). His heart attack was announced on October 4. His decline preceded it by 5 months.
Warren peaks on October 7, at which point she begins to decline. It is not until December 7 that Sanders climbs from his floor, picking up voters who were previously committed to Warren, moving from 16% to 27%. This 11 percent were never part of some unbreakable base. They’re fluid.
They left Warren because they felt her M4A plan made her unelectable. As long as they think Sanders is electable they’ll remain with him. She has to expose him for the know-nothing, empty suit he is, who will lost 49 states. Break them off and away from the Socialist Titanic. Get them on her life boats.
As much fun as it was, attacking Pete and Biden will do little. She’s done that previously (Wine Caves) and Pete still did a lot better then her in New Hampshire.
@Damien: “Perfect score from the NRA, just gonna leave that right here.”
I’m not even going to get into all the rest of your post. But the frequency which people lie or exaggerate about Sanders here, is quite telling. And troubling.
Sanders most recent score was D-. It’s been an F in several years. The highest its been is a C-.
Get the facts right, especially the easily checkable ones.
I will say one positive thing about Bloomberg based on the walloping he received tonight: he’s obviously good at hiring talented people and letting them do their jobs, because his team created commercials and social media posts that the actual man just couldn’t live up to.
I’d almost bet that young people will vote in higher numbers than they have in the past. Too many things over the last few years have hit young people rather hard. Yes I know my generation had Vietnam but I think that was different than what this feels like. We also had republican presidents who weren’t 1000% shit. 97% maybe but not 1000%. And we have social media, nothing like that existed. And the cost of education, and the need of a decent education to get much of any kind of a decent paying job. This time isn’t a repeat of ours.
I certainly hope that Elizabeth Warren is the nominee – I went ahead and voted for her here in Florida (why wait? If someone else gets the nom, I’ll vote for that person in the general). Seeing the way Our Liberal Media disappears her, though, I suspect reports on the campaign would have headlines like “Presidential Debate This Evening. Donald Trump Was There.”
I think he was hoping that he wouldn’t have to live down his past. Mainly because he’s probably convinced that he bought that off with all those spiffy commercials. Or that this would be as easy as making another billion.
Would be great but have heard this time youngsters are going to show up in force for the general election too many times in the past.
Am jaded but not immune to warmly welcoming a pleasant surprise.
As for so-called social media, a problem with instantaneous communication is it can also lead to instantaneous distraction, of the “ooh, shiny!” sort. In my limited experience with those who dote on so-called social media it barrages them with an an overdose of data in the form of an near-unending stream, undifferentiated as to import, accuracy and utility, ending up leaving less time to digest, weigh and cogitate about what has been received and serves to widen and deepen the memory hole.
Here’s hoping that tonight’s performance, which to me was inspired, allows Warren to show up in those “we had to pick 5 candidates” ratings games. (Sorry, Amy, [you were my 2nd choice] but this was not your night.)
and the mysoginist scum come floating up,….
Sure, and Texas will turn back to blue.
@moonbat: “A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel.” –either Robert Frost or William Ernst Hocking; it’s not entirely clear which
(both men died in the 1960s, so the idea of gender-neutral language hadn’t really caught on yet)
It remains to be seen if this is going to be the polling boost Warren needs, but she got the best fundraising night she’s had in a while out of it. So there’s that!
(Disclaimer: I haven’t watched any of these this cycle and already sent in my ballot for Warren last week. Judging from some of the reactions here and on LGM though, I kind of regret skipping this one. I might actually go back and watch it at some point.)
Cēterum cēnseō factiōnem Rēpublicānam esse dēlendam.
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
@cokane: I didn’t like what I’d heard about Sanders before he ran for President, and I haven’t heard anything since to make me change my mind.
I only tuned in for forty minutes, because I tire easily of Sanders yelling at me. Unfortunately it appears that the dems gave him a pass and instead attacked Bloomberg. Both the Post and Times said Bernie was the winner. just great. I’m going back to bed.
TS (the original)
Well the media never stopped demanding it of Hillary Clinton when she caught pneumonia during her campaign – I would think having a heart attack warrants the same – it not more – attention.
And why should releasing a medical history impact women more than old white men?
@TS (the original): Hillary coughed! Is she going to die?!?!
@JPL: What I think is going on here is that certain corners of our media, (as well as camp Trump), really, really want to see a Bernie v. Trump matchup. The media because they think it’ll be one of those ratings-gold, epic battles, and Trump because he believes Sanders would be the easiest to beat.
ETA For reference, “Crazy Bernie” – DJT
(Someone had to say it.)
The Post is marginally better overall, but in this instance, they deserve a hearty “fuckem” as well. But multiple doses of “fuckem” are in order for the Fuck the Fucking New York Times.
Cēterum cēnseō factiōnem Rēpublicānam esse dēlendam.
@JWR: Dump would hold Bernie’s head in victory. It would be a slaughter.
And if you thought Putin’s bitch was disgusting against Hillary…..hooboy.
Mike in DC
There will be 2 debates after Super Tuesday. The time for Warren to go hard at Sanders is then. When the field has been whittled down. And that critique has to be carefully crafted.
Probably not Nixon v. McGovern territory, but that right there is my biggest fear.
@Ruckus: My daughter agrees with you. Fortunes have been lost betting on high youth turnout, but my sense is that they’re pretty terrified by what we’ve done.
@Mike in DC: Wow. That’s a great plan. Let’s wait until Sanders has amassed a large amount of delegates and then attack. Is trump paying you under the table for that analyses Sanders leads in several of the super Tuesday states.
@JWR: Probably not that bad, but at least a handy electoral college ass whooping.
“You can be a millionaire too if you become a cult leader and skim off your worshipers’ tithes.” – Bernie Sanders, probably
@mrmoshpotato: My biggest fear is losing the house. Right now that’s the only thing stopping trump from a complete takeover.
There’s a lot of people who hang out here so it can be hard to keep everyone straight, but didn’t you used to be a normal human being? What happened?
@JPL: True. I’m still baffled at how the Rethuglicans didn’t completely lay waste in 2017-2018.
@mrmoshpotato: Yeah, it would be bad. But there was some better post-debate news, like this from the AP:
“Warren the fighter.” Now that, I like!
@Chyron HR: Is (s)he a longtime, but infrequent commenter?
@JWR: I didn’t watch tonight, but NBC posted it on YouTube in full, so I’ll listen tomorrow. I’m looking forward to SPW’s slaying of well…. everyone. :)
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
@JPL: Can you imagine the shit show convention Wilmer, Susan Sarandon, Nina Turner, Cornell West, Cenk Uygar, and Michael Moore would produce.
Endless yelling and screaming, scaring every suburbanite into staying home.
There wouldn’t be any mainstream Democrat showing up; and who could blame them.
Warren was the winner. I listened to the msnbc rebroadcast of the debate. I fell asleep near the end of the live broadcast so I relistened and it was easy to see that Warren won this debate. She came on strong – supported her sister politician and focused on Bloomberg – as she needed to do. Remember when all the pundits were pulling on Pelosi? They were wrong and Pelosi was right – let Trump impeach himself.
Warren is playing the long game. Amy needed to take out Mayer Pete – and she may have last night. This was an old fashioned sword fight. I could see the gang on stage in my mind’s eye thrusting and hacking off an arm or leg. Bernie took hits from others – most importantly Bernie’s non transparency about his health and his finances. Bernie’s wife will be a target rich person for Trump or if a Dem candidate is willing to go there.
The media is one of the major negative factors in the coverage of the women’s races. Plus Trump must always have the full attention of the media. This time it was Trump’s pardons of really corrupt people. The media covered this rather than the upcoming presidential debates.
I’ve been donating to Warren. Especially when she embraced Jay Inslee`s work on environmental issues. For me the issue of climate change/global warming has long been a focus of mine. Science is important and ALL of the candidates understand that Trump is waging war on Science and the Constitution.
Any of the candidates on stage are better than Trump.
Subject change — did anyone see the bit about the brains of life long bullies are different from non bully humans? One difference is that their brains are smaller. I need to find the research paper to read the details. So Trump has a small brain as well as tiny hands?
@David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch: Ugh.
Okay, that’s mean. (But LoL funny!) But damn, where the hell did everyone suddenly decide that this is Bernie’s to lose? (I know, I know… polls.) But this is crazy talk!
@JWR: Nate Silver and a couple of Obama’s aides said Sanders might have an insurmountable delegate lead after super Tuesday, and that scared the shit out of me.
@JPL: Well, if it beats hell outa Trump, then so be it, but when he gets nothing done while losing the House… (okay, losing the House isn’t likely.) But I can hear the chant now: “Bernie can’t fail, Bernie can only be failed.”
Everyone go ask some likely voters IRL what they think.
Yay for the Norwegian one-hit wonder A-Ha.
There is indeed much antipathy here toward Sanders. Hell, I’m not even American and I don’t like him. But I agree with the consensus that it’s well-founded. His appeal is superficial. He lacked in 2016 and still lacks the knowledge and skill set required of POTUS. His conduct, then and now, is no shining example of character and integrity. He might win the job in November, but can he do it? I don’t think so.