The intersection of a complex, unexpected health crisis causing an unusual form of recession is exactly the kind of thing Elizabeth Warren would've been unusually good at handling.
— Ezra Klein (@ezraklein) March 10, 2020
It was the financial crisis, with all its chaos and uncertainty, that launched her political career in the first place. If the next president is entering into a similar situation, she would've been well suited for it.
— Ezra Klein (@ezraklein) March 10, 2020
(Here’s hoping President Biden enters office with her already ramping up a full task force… )
This is from ~8 days ago and still is a gold standard for planning strategically around the rapidly unfolding crisis. https://t.co/uGzBaRAE65
— Mike Konczal (@rortybomb) March 10, 2020
This was only a week ago!
WARREN: Biden “is exactly who he says he is. He is a decent guy… and it comes through in pretty much everything he does.”
MADDOW: “U have disagreements with him on a number of policy issues?”
WARREN: “Yup. And agreements in a number of core policy issues.”
— Misyrlena Egkolfopoulou (@misyrlena) March 6, 2020
Of all sad words of tongue or pen…
Elizabeth Warren was the perfect test case: as smart or smarter than Hillary, just as prepared, just as qualified.
AND she didn't have her baggage,
AND she was a known progressive hero,
AND she turned out to be a fantastic campaigner.And still. and still. and still.
— jess mcintosh (@jess_mc) March 5, 2020
That is what makes this particularly stinging, once again we followed everyone's advice, we checked all the boxes, and it didn't matter. We didn't get the job.
And that's tough, today. But we keep getting close, and we keep breaking through. Warren mattered. Kamala mattered.
— jess mcintosh (@jess_mc) March 5, 2020
We are so much farther today than we were in 2016 — it took us months to even recognize the role sexism played in Hillary's loss, and now it's such a given it's in a hulu documentary.
We talked about "likability" and "electability" — we didn't solve it, but we named it.
— jess mcintosh (@jess_mc) March 5, 2020
And a whole generation of girls are growing up only knowing presidential contests with smart, funny, wonderful women who look presidential as hell.
It will be easier next time.
— jess mcintosh (@jess_mc) March 5, 2020
Mary G
Hillary wouldn’t do this:
Warren released an updated plan yesterday, too.
Immanentize
Ever the optimistic one, eh A.L.? When I read the title, I thought it would be about Hillary, but the Warren stuff breaks my heart in a new way.
Baud
@Immanentize: It applies equally to both (although Hillary got a lot closer).
Cacti
Really? When did that happen?
Darkrose
But the DNC forced her not to endorse Bernie!
(I actually saw someone say this on the Root yesterday.)
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
I watched “The Young Turks” Tuesday and they were comparing Bernie to…. {checks notes} …. to Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King, Jr. (no, joke).
They said King and Mandela were never appreciated when they were in the arena and were only loved afterwards. Likewise Bernie will be remembered decades from now as…. {checks notes} …. “the best among us”.
Yup. Bernie is just like King and Mandela, except for the part where he never passed anything or made any grave personal sacrifice for others.
Archon
I supported Warren but this deification of her as some perfect candidate that the people in their ignorance refused to support is starting to get old.
Baud
@Archon: The problem is what the tweets don’t say. Warren’s apparent strategy was to beat Bernie among progressives, and progressives didn’t bite. But none of these tweets or others want to talk about it in terms of progressives’ choices, and they don’t want to address that young women like AOC and two of the other members of the Squad supported Bernie over an obviously more qualified female candidate.
chopper
seattle schools now closed through 4/24. i’m gonna have to home school my two kids for the next month and a half. oy!
trollhattan
@Darkrose:
Warren taking marching orders from DNC. As if.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@chopper:
Maybe not. Are your local schools going to have remote learning?
Marcopolo
I’ve been toggling between MSNBC & Fox. Obviously covid-19 coverage on MSNBC, but wag the dog military strike reporting on Fox. Apparently we are retaliating for a missle strike a week or two ago. Haven’t seen any reporting on it anywhere else yet.
trollhattan
@chopper:
Dad physics, like dad humor only with action-reaction stuff! You can get some lesson plan help here.
“Germs, they’re from Germany.”
Slim from MA
I really wanted to vote for Liz but she lost me with that student loan forgiveness executive order thing. I had to enlist in the Army to get my loans forgiven. She should have tied her worthy idea to something in return. The military these days is a bad option but the Peace Corp or something, anything, would have done the trick for this voter.
debbie
@chopper:
The Governor here has canceled just about everything that would involve groups of more than 100. Yesterday, sports were going to be played with no audiences; today, they decided to cancel them altogether.
At work, they sent two people home today and told us not to be overly concerned. I wouldn’t be had they said which part of the building those two people worked in.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@trollhattan: The “DNC” is to Rose Twitter what “the deep state” is to trump world
Baud
Thanks, Obama.
chopper
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
seattle public schools can barely afford to keep the lights on.
trollhattan
@Marcopolo:
There was a missile strike on an Iraq base overnight (our night, not theirs). IIUC at least two GIs and one UK soldier were killed.
Darkrose
@trollhattan: There’s this idea–stoked by Sanders and his stans–that the DNC is this all-powerful cabal of evil neoliberals who have an iron-fisted control on the process. The person who claimed that the DNC is giving orders to Warren also believes that the DNC would rather see Trump re-elected than Bernie.
If the DNC really wanted to crush Sanders, there would have been zero caucuses, and he wouldn’t have had the chance to sign off on this year’s primary rules. The idea that they rigged the debate to allow Bloomberg in as a way to hurt Bernie makes zero sense given how Warren pantsed him, but the conspiracy theory doesn’t need logic, I guess.
debbie
@Baud:
Marketwatch reported today’s loss was the largest since 1987.
ETA: Specifically,
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@debbie:
I’m satisfied with DeWine’s response so far, along with the director of the ODH, Dr. Amy Acton. The state government is taking this seriously
pamelabrown53
@Archon:
While I get the “Warren deification”, a lot of folks are hurting here at BJ, I do believe that IMMEDIACY supercedes the white privilege wallowing.
debbie
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Agreed. DeWine may be asked to turn in his GOP card.
debbie
@Archon:
Who is your perfect candidate, and what was it that disqualified Elizabeth Warren from the title of “perfect”?
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Marcopolo: There was a hit on a base in Iraq a few days ago.
trollhattan
@chopper:
Heard on the radio that my Seattle HS has had a coronavirus case. I’m a proud Quaker today.
Suzanne
Well, looks like Italians under quarantine will now be less bored. This is the kind of humanity we all need to extend.
Martin
Watching F1 try to figure out if the race, practice for which starts in a few hours, is on or not is giving me renewed respect for our disastrous response. The team leaders are told its off, the workers are told its on. 2 drivers flew home already. One team withdrew because they have folks on the team that tested positive. They just announced there would be no spectators, so I guess that’s something.
PJ
@Darkrose: If the DNC really wanted to crush Sanders, they would have restricted the primaries to registered Democrats.
trollhattan
@Darkrose:
Ugh. I sure hope that stuff blows over before November. We need all hands on deck, because Trump imperils us all.
“No more years. No more years. No more years.”
(If the DNC is so powerful, why is Trump president, again?)
kindness
Misogyny exists on our side of the aisle too. I don’t want to use BernieBro tweets to point that out as they may be Republican or Russian for all I know. But it’s there.
pamelabrown53
Actually, I’m trying to delete my previous comment but the edit isn’t working. Sorry to be so judgmental
NotMax
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
re: remote schooling
One thing rarely if ever mentioned is kids who don’t have the hardware and/or an internet connection at home.
Martin
@Martin: 6 teams showed up, which is the minimum to race. The others are nowhere to be found. Driver for one of the 6 teams flew home, so backup driver, I guess. But even though they showed up they aren’t being let in, so nobody knows what the fuck is going on.
Baud
“Vote Dems like your life depends on it” may be the slogan this year.
Calouste
@David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch: Did you not read the Letter from Burlington Jail?
Martin
@NotMax: Oh, we’re all over that internally. Lots of schools have kids with no computer, no internet, and no phone. You can’t do online and exclude those kids. So what do you do? You either need to cancel or find another way to teach for those kids.
geg6
She would have been awesome at this. Of that I have no doubt.
But it was not to be. I don’t have a clue how we’re going to get through this with that disgusting, stupid boil on humanity in charge. Biden was reassuring today, but he’s not in charge. Yet. Thinking about getting a mail in ballot and just getting it over with. Plus, no need to leave the house to do it. So happy we finally can do this here in PA.
Suzanne
I really think that, if our president wasn’t total garbage, he would go on TV and declare everything except essential services to go on a three-week quarantine. Yeah, it’ll suck. But it will suck less to have a defined quarantine, rather than this escalating freakout in which we keep hearing things drip, drip, drip out from different places. It creates rumor and panic. He should have just gone on TV last night and said something like, “We’re going to get ahead of this so it doesn’t turn into pandemonium”. But of course he didn’t.
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
@Darkrose: If the DNC wanted to crush Sanders they could have said only Democrats could run in a Democratic primary.
eta: PJ got there first.
Baud
@Suzanne:
Fixed.
WereBear
@NotMax: yes, and data can really add up from a phone Hotspot.
I guided two brothers to Chromebooks which have offline Google docs functions. Both writing books and one doesn’t have internet.
A Ghost to Most
wapo:
Mary G
NotMax
@Martin
I should have also added mention of kids who have no fixed home.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch: The DNC is ALL POWERFUL, yet it has no power.
trollhattan
@Mary G:
They could leave the pangolin exhibit open.
piratedan
@Baud: she was Sanders w/substance, she actually had her ideas implemented into policy, had plans to match the rhetoric. She was on record about going after the corruption of the current administration. She wasn’t grouchy, she was full of energy and Americans rejected her in droves.
If anything, Bernie Bros should have embraced her as a savior because she had none of the baggage, didn’t have a vindictive social media presence, and she declared early and was a Democrat. All items that the Sanders campaign refused to recognize.
and yet… here we are.
Perfect… no, but what candidate is? Outside of yourself, of course…
Suzanne
@Baud: Well, yeah.
Immanentize
@David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch:
I have always found moral clarity and purpose from Sanders’ “Letter about a Burlington Kale.”
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Calouste: Yes, I read it in high school, it was odd that it was in ALL CAPS.
Martin
@NotMax: Oh, yes…
trollhattan
@Martin:
Good lord, it reads like a drawingroom comedy.
Immanentize
@Baud: But I don’t blame AOC. I know less about Tlaib and Omar. But AOC was doing the right thing by repaying Sanders for his critical boost to her campaign. Politics 101
Baud
@Immanentize:
Do you think her endorsement of Warren would have altered the outcome?
That’s the big question and I don’t know the answer.
Marcopolo
As we are starting to see effects on political campaigns:
I think this is a good move.
MisterForkbeard
I agree with all of this, but this does have some issues:
Warren was up against a popular former vice president and the previous runner up who had similar policy proposals to her own. This would have been a really hard race for ANYONE to prevail over those two, and we saw a number of really excellent candidates fail: Harris, Inslee, Castro, etc.
It sucks, but the whole thing wasn’t just because Warren was a woman. Winning against two well-known power houses with strong existing support is a daunting proposition for anyone.
Splitting Image
@David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch:
Being rejected by ungrateful Michigan voters was his Vietnam.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@NotMax:
That’s very true. It’s a hard choice to make for administrators who want to do the responsible thing and limit spread
Immanentize
@Calouste: Beat me!
eclare
@Suzanne: More hand washing
Splitting Image
@trollhattan:
So they cancelled the race and sacrificed the economic aspect of the event, but they still got the crowds to come out, allowing them to infect each other, preventing which was the entire purpose of cancelling the event in the first place?
Awesome.
eclare
@Calouste: FTW!
Immanentize
@Baud: Wow, that’s a toughy. On one had, AOC would have signalled a shift from man to woman, one generation kinda to another. On the other hand, I am not sure that such a move would have helped Warren as much as hurt AOC. BERNERS GONNA BURN. Unless she truly became a travelling anti-Sanders surrogate. Which I don’t think she could do.
Feathers
The only real laugh I’ve had today. Coronavirus postings on sneezing fetish forums: https://twitter.com/KrangTNelson/status/1237879922007236615
BTW coronavirus now shows up in my iPad autocorrect.
Immanentize
@Feathers: Rule 304
mrmoshpotato
@Suzanne: Can the virus be wanked away? There’s only one way to find out!
Chyron HR
@Slim from MA:
“I got my socialized medicine for being an Army vet. You kids shouldn’t get Medicare 4 All unless you get shot at first!”
Immanentize
@MisterForkbeard: But but but… I know.
But if Bernie hadn’t run his loser stink campaign, then Biden may not have run. We might now have Kamala vs Warren vs Bloomberg? Ok, not the latter because Warren fucking dispatched that guy.
Feathers
@Marcopolo: it would actually be kind of fun to do Bob Dylan style multiple poster toss aways on people’s lawn during self quarantines. It would be memorable and break the monotony.
Darkrose
@NotMax: This is the problem we’re having right now. We surveyed our students–40%+ of whom live in households with income below the federal poverty line–and 25% of them don’t have access to computers and broadband. We’re supposedly getting around 700 Chromebooks in to distribute to students, but no word yet on the logistics of that when we’re closing on Wednesday.
Immanentize
@Splitting Image: Less fun than Trump’s personal Viet Nam
ThresherK
Tangent: I gotta post this (shamelessly sourced from Jay Rosen):
I think Sanders has lost a nomination which was his to win. But I’m certain that a year ago our Media Betters already created this story: Media elite eager to kick Sanders on his way out the door. Contrast to how badly they wash the stink of failure off a losing Republican.
It’s ironic that the man who never joined the Democratic Party is, in what appears to be campaign death, getting treated like a real Democrat.
This is the same strain of media who couldn’t open a 2008 TV interview without the holy incantation call and response of
“The surge worked?”
“The surge worked.”
“Nice to be here, host.”
“Glad you could make it, guest. Let’s start the interview.”
Immanentize
@Chyron HR: A while back, in the morning thread, I suggested that getting to near-universal health care should start by expanding VA care. The infrastructure is there, the care is pretty high quality, and it wouldn’t take vast impacts in business/workplace insurance (immediately). Like USAA, first expand coverage to immediate families. Then generational families. Then….
Immanentize
@ThresherK: I’m sorry, I was trying to write a lucid response. But what?
How is it “ironic” that a person running in the Democratic primary to be President is treated like a Democrat?
Immanentize
@Feathers: Mixing up the medicine
dm
One other thing Warren has going for her is the recognition that politics is about process as well as positions. She had proposals for changing the process (eliminate the filibuster, take on corruption) that would have made many of her other proposals more likely.
Neither Bernie note Biden sorry getting rid of the filibuster, but there’s not much hour of getting any important legislation passed otherwise.
Buttegieg also understood this, and talked about it early on.
MomSense
There’s a story out today that Warren wanted to endorse Sanders, but it got fucked up by his lack of follow through (arrogance and incompetence, too).
MaryL
@debbie: Hogan, too. Maryland has cancelled all public schools and banned all gatherings of more than 250 people. He is taking this seriously.
WereBear
@dm: anything with the stink of the Confederacy on it should be gotten rid of.
Baud
@MomSense: Seems like a dubious story, but I’m glad it didn’t happen.
trollhattan
@Immanentize:
When sanity, some form of it, returns I’d like to see a breakdown of the 2020 Dem field analyzing when each got into the race, when each peaked (for the ten or so that showed a pulse), and the volatility of those peaks. How many peaked, cratered and recovered? How many were wiped out after a single cratering?
I know two things: Sanders never stopped running in 2016 and Biden got in super-late compared to great majority.
I believe most were in far too soon and suspect that made them vulnerable to flaming out at inopportune times.
Geminid
Ayanna Pressley, Katie Porter, and Deborah Haaland campaigned for Warren together and singly. By far the most impressive trio of surrogates of any candidate. They could not put her over, but the fact that such capable and serious women chose to work hard for Warren says something.
ThresherK
@Immanentize: Yeah, maybe “ironic” wasn’t the right word for me to use.
But for all the “caucuses with Democrats” stuff, our elite media treated him like a stock Dem in this article. I hope it’s not a surprise to his campaign and his fans. I have heard too many of his supporters combine and conflate, in their missives, the anti-Bernie actions of the mainstream press with that of the DemEstablishment(TM). (“CNN and Warren both attacking Bernie!”)
Kathleen
@debbie: I agree. I’m impressed.
WaterGirl
@Cacti: When you weren’t paying attention?
I didn’t realize it myself until I started watching her more closely a few weeks ago.
Geminid
I’ve said this before, but I still think Warren would have done well to make combating climate change a signature issue. Her plan was the best, both ambitious and pragmatic, and epitomized the difference between her basic policy approach and that of Sanders.
WaterGirl
@pamelabrown53: Do you want me to delete you at #23?
Cameron
@Immanentize: That would be the VA care Trump is trying to privatize for his bros?
Mnemosyne
@trollhattan:
I’m going to have a longer comment, but I’m going to start with this: it’s a cult.
Several good Democrats, including Harris and Warren, got into the race thinking that there was a “progressive” lane that Bernie had opened up for them to run in. As soon as Bernie announced his own run AFTER they announced, that lane closed off because the vocal online “progressives” don’t want a progressive candidate, they want Bernie and no one else.
If he had kept his waggy finger out of the race, one of the other candidates could have made a plausible run as a progressive, but he sucked all of the air out of the progressive side as soon as he announced he was running again. Not only that, but his gleeful online trolls — some of whom were Russian bots — set about kneecapping any other campaign that strayed into Bernie’s territory, and they all went down. You know the refrains they used: “Kamala is a cop!” “Warren is a snake!” “Beto took oil and gas money!”
They cleared the lane for Bernie, only to discover that they had made such massive assholes of themselves that Democrats didn’t want to vote for such a divisive candidate anymore. They blew a giant hole in their own foot, and they keep insisting that it’s EVERYONE ELSE’S fault that they fucked up.
Which is why Bernie will never be president — he hired absolutely terrible staffers this year who were more interested in getting into Twitter beefs than in doing their actual jobs.
Ken
I early voted today (Illinois). I went with Biden, but only because Warren had dropped out.
BTW everyone was still on the ballot, including 5 convention delegates for each candidate. It seemed kind of odd since we’ve been all-electronic for years.
Cameron
So: got pumped early for the primaries this year. Didn’t even wait until Super Tuesday to mail in my ballot here in Florida. For Elizabeth Warren. Hey, if I’m gonna throw my vote away, at least I’ll be at the head of the pack! Oh, well….
Jay Noble
Stuff is shutting down in Nebraska – mostly. The Boys State Basketball Tournament is essential peorsonnel and immediate family only. Which is slightly dumb because first we had the lady who was at a special olympic bball tournament already symptomatic. Her family is now positive. And a student at last week’s Girls State Basketball Tournament tested positive. College World Series in Omaha cancelled and so on. Nebraska is one of the leaders in distance education but that doesn’t help with all the ancillary things like free lunch programs.
https://www.ketv.com/article/coronavirus-covid19-nebraska-omaha-latest/31213658#
Geminid
Although AOC’s backers in her 2018 primary campaign, Justice Democrats, were all 2016 Sanders campaign alumni, Sanders himself played no part in her victory over Joe Crowley. He did bring her to Kansas City the next month to campaign for Bernie Bro Brent Welder, who with AOC’s help almost knocked out Sharice Davids, an excellent candidate who went on to flip the seat. AOC has since learned some about being used. She is a national celebrity, and has a net positive rating in her district, but she will have to work for her renomination. Challenger Michelle Cabrera is a professional communicator- CNBC anchor, before that its chief foreign correspondent for eight years. The debates should be good.
J R in WV
@Cacti:
Dawg, I’m so glad you’re in my pie list.
I won’t be toggling you out of that pie safe next time.
From the depth of my heart: Fuck you, ass!!
SFAW
@Baud:
Probably not very much. The Berners would have called her a traitor, and still not voted for her. Some of the Bernie-curious might have shifted to her, but how much/many, no idea. The “centrists” would have still voted for the centrists, unless the only two left standing were Warren and Biden. But I don’t think she would have made the cut. If Bernie had gotten over himself, and withdrawn in favor of Warren, then she’d probably be neck-and-neck with Biden. But the idea of him getting over himself is a non-starter in this plane of existence.
Bobby Thomson
McIntosh was deservedly dragged for claiming Warren was better than Clinton and then tried to deny she said that.
Don’t post that shit.
Gvg
@NotMax: these aren’t normal times. Kids without homes or internet are being mentioned a lot more than normal times. Not on first responses, usually on the first follow up from each emergency closing. It might be progress actually. Time will tell.
Anne Laurie
Dead thread, but… If it’s the BuzzFeed story, I read that more as: The Warren campaign reached out to the Sanders campaign, to see what concessions they’d make towards her platform in return for an endorsement. Because of the vast ‘competency’ of the Sanders cadre, the very idea of committing politics with a mere woman person was rejected out of hand. WINNING, it’s what they do.
Melusine
@MisterForkbeard: A 78 yr old male “powerhouse” with a serious heart condition and a 77 yr old male “powerhouse” with a history of aneurysms.
Clinton STUMBLED and it was months of, “oh my god, too old, failing health!!” You really think if Warren or Harris had a heart condition it wouldn’t have been brought up Every Goddamn Day as a reason they were not only unelectable, but completely irresponsible for even running?
Two old men with serious health histories and younger, visibly more energetic, just as if not more qualified women couldn’t even get a shot. But it’s not about misogyny.