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You are here: Home / Economics / C.R.E.A.M. / Monday Morning Open Thread: Our New Democratic Shadow Cabinet

Monday Morning Open Thread: Our New Democratic Shadow Cabinet

by Anne Laurie|  March 23, 20206:57 am| 76 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Republicans in Disarray!

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Everyone knows that we're facing a real crisis from the coronavirus. But do you know how we got here and what we need to do next? Ron Klain, former White House Ebola Response Coordinator, breaks it down for us: pic.twitter.com/XRkIw2EzM4

— Joe Biden (Text Join to 30330) (@JoeBiden) March 21, 2020

Shadow cabinets, per Wikipedia:

The Shadow Cabinet or Shadow Ministry is a feature of the Westminster system of government. It consists of a senior group of opposition spokespeople who, under the leadership of the Leader of the Opposition, form an alternative cabinet to that of the government, and whose members shadow or mirror the positions of each individual member of the Cabinet. It is the Shadow Cabinet’s responsibility to scrutinise the policies and actions of the government, as well as to offer alternative policies. The Shadow Cabinet makes up the majority of the Official Opposition frontbench…

This convention is most common in countries where elections are held ‘on demand’, not on a fixed schedule like the U.S. The ‘outsider’ party, goes the theory, needs to be prepared at very short notice to take over the levers of government, and therefore should have a working rota for the most important positions, and a defined (if only loosely) set of policies.

America hasn’t had this tradition, because FREEDOM, and also we’ve got 50 state governments theoretically prepared to step in if (when) the federal government should happen to fall apart. But now, the Republican party’s iron grip on the White House, the federal judiciary, and the Senate are rapidly collapsing under a joint threat of pandemic and global economic failure — and just eight months shy of the quadrennial election, too. Consciously or not, the Democratic Party, led by its presumed presidential candidate Joe Biden, seems to be assuming a shadow cabinet role, letting voters know what needs to be done and how we hope to accomplish it once the man now in the White House and his cronies fall apart, flee the country, turn on each other, die… or just get voted out, come November.

Good for the Democrats!

Where’s Biden? well it turns out it takes a few days to convert a rec room into a TV studio. https://t.co/uG9eXUE4rT

— ¡No más malarkey! (@gdigitalzsmooth) March 22, 2020

Sometimes, when societies face crises like these, a social breakdown occurs & lawless mobs loot & steal, helping themselves at everyone else's expense. That's what's happening now. Except the mob are the GOP leaders & the looting was to be done through their crony bailout bill.

— David Rothkopf (@djrothkopf) March 23, 2020

Joe Biden just endorsed Warren’s coronavirus student loan debt cancelation and social security increase plans. She’s getting this thing done.

— Shannon ???? (@TheStagmania) March 22, 2020

In related news, Warren is much more valuable in the Senate than as a vice president https://t.co/g9CG0EceFl

— Scott Lemieux (@LemieuxLGM) March 23, 2020

Coronavirus has upended daily life for millions of Americans. Many won’t make ends meet at the end of this month. Instead, this bill gives the Trump administration authority to hand out $500B to corporations without any real protection for workers. I will vote no.

— Kamala Harris (@KamalaHarris) March 22, 2020

When this is all over we are going to need a massive investigation of all the incompetence and malfeasance by the Trump Administration and its cronies in business. https://t.co/43ZZ2o0nuH

— Neera Tanden (@neeratanden) March 22, 2020


The inefficiency of 50 states and thousands of hospitals competing against each other to purchase scarce critical medical equipment is barbarically counterproductive.@brianschatz and I are drafting a bill to put the federal gov in charge of this supply chain during this crisis.

— Chris Murphy (@ChrisMurphyCT) March 22, 2020

It’s simple: President Trump and Mitch McConnell are trying to put corporate bailouts ahead of families. And it’s wrong. Hardworking, struggling Americans should come first — not the big corporations looking for a blank check. https://t.co/pxGrnTYebF

— Joe Biden (Text Join to 30330) (@JoeBiden) March 23, 2020

The coronavirus stimulus package must put the health and financial security of our families and workers first. It should include:

?? protections for workers
?? clear accountability
?? relief for small businesses
?? childcare support
?? student loan debt relief

& much more.

— Rep. Sharice Davids (@RepDavids) March 23, 2020

Two major economic actions we should take to stabilize working families:

1. Get checks into everyone’s hands NOW. We can tax it back next year from the privileged who don’t need it.

2. Stop the money OUT. Suspend all major bill payments including mortgages, rent, loans, etc. https://t.co/lmSfcS72N9

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) March 22, 2020

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    March 23, 2020 at 7:06 am

    When this is all over we are going to need a massive investigation of all the incompetence and malfeasance by the Trump Administration and its cronies in business

    that’s one hell of a jobs program.

  2. 2.

    OzarkHillbilly

    March 23, 2020 at 7:09 am

    Anne, just want to say thank you for the young cello artist post. A nice story to start my morning. Beautiful music too.

    Now that that is out of the way, Blech.

  3. 3.

    Jeffro

    March 23, 2020 at 7:11 am

    @Baud: it’s also the entirety of President Biden’s first term

    Biden should be clear at every opportunity: trumpov is saying and doing the things that he is saying and doing in a frantic effort to stay in office (ie, stay out of jail)

  4. 4.

    Betty Cracker

    March 23, 2020 at 7:12 am

    AOC is right in that last tweet. The point she makes about stopping the money going OUT was raised by commenter Martin a few days back, and I’ve been thinking about it ever since. I don’t know if he’d endorse AOC’s plan to provide cash to citizens AND pause debt payments, but it makes all kinds of sense to me. The lion’s share of any federal money going to consumers now is going to flow right back to the banks in the form of loan payments.

    I’m no economist, but pausing the entire shebang until we get through this makes more sense to me. The feds can shore up the banks for the lost revenue: they know who and where they are. In this scenario, cash to the citizens will be spent at businesses that need the money for items people need to live day to day without a job. Seems like a better way to stay afloat.

  5. 5.

    debbie

    March 23, 2020 at 7:14 am

    Biden: “It’s simple: President Trump and Mitch McConnell are trying to put corporate bailouts ahead of families. And it’s wrong criminal. Hardworking, struggling Americans should come first — not the big corporations looking for a blank check.”

    Fixed. No time for half-statements.

  6. 6.

    Betty Cracker

    March 23, 2020 at 7:16 am

    Also, kudos to the Dems for rejecting that plutocrat smash-and-grab GOP bill. Did anyone see the clip from the Orangmandius press briefing/political rally when the reporter asked if he’d vow not to take any of the bailout money for his own companies? He used the occasion to whine about how nobody thanked him for “donating” his presidential salary* and tap-danced around the question, making it 100% clear that he very much intends to wet his beak in the Mnuchin slush fund. Stay united, Dems!

    *Trump’s golf outings alone have cost taxpayers more than the combined total of every presidential salary from George Washington to the present. 

  7. 7.

    debbie

    March 23, 2020 at 7:17 am

    @Jeffro:

    Not just frantic: Criminal. Think of it. Trump didn’t want to let a ship filled with American citizens dock so they could seek treatment because he didn’t want his numbers to go up. He likes his numbers low.

    He is on the record and he is on tape saying this. Fucking criminal.

  8. 8.

    Geoboy

    March 23, 2020 at 7:20 am

    Republican Party delenda est.

  9. 9.

    debbie

    March 23, 2020 at 7:23 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    Trump’s also just lying about wanting to forbid corporations from buy backs of their stocks. You just know he’s chomping at the bit to help his buddies take advantage of the pandemic.

  10. 10.

    Gin & Tonic

    March 23, 2020 at 7:23 am

    @Jeffro: Donald J. Trump will never see the inside of a prison cell. Regardless of who’s President or AG. You can take that to the bank (if it’s open.)

  11. 11.

    satby

    March 23, 2020 at 7:25 am

    Still lightly snowing here, has been since last night and not quite 2 inches in the ground. Late spring shows are lovely, usually wet so clinging to everything and momentarily making the world beautiful. It will all be gone in a few hours, but right now it’s pretty and peaceful. And without needing to rush anywhere, maybe people can take a moment to notice it.

  12. 12.

    SFAW

    March 23, 2020 at 7:28 am

    “The Republicans’ Crony Bailout Bill being pushed by a lawless, grifting Republican Party” should start every news story about it. However, “the CBB” isn’t as eye-/ear-grabbing as something that could be acronym-ized into “the FRAUD bill” or “the GRIFT bill” or “the DESTROY AMERICA bill.” [OK, that last one is a bit harder to pull off.] Unfortunately, I am not enough of a wordsmith to come up with anything appropriate, yet.

  13. 13.

    SFAW

    March 23, 2020 at 7:29 am

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Normally, I like it when you’re right.

  14. 14.

    OzarkHillbilly

    March 23, 2020 at 7:29 am

    Mike Bloomberg is transferring $18m (£15.5m) from his presidential campaign to the Democratic National Committee in the largest single such transfer ever made.

    The largesse is the latest sign of the billionaire businessman’s continued involvement in the presidential race since ending his own campaign this month after a lacklustre showing on Super Tuesday. In the 3 March primaries the former New York city mayor won only one US territory.
    ………………………….
    The Bloomberg campaign, which hired a staff of 2,400 people across 43 states, will also transfer its offices in six pivotal states to the Democratic parties in those states, to help accelerate their hiring and organising. Those states are Arizona, Florida, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

    So far, so good.

    Former Bloomberg campaign staffers in those offices will continue to be paid by his campaign through the first week in April and have full benefits through the end of April. After that, they could in theory offer the state parties a trained and ready pool of potential hires to build out their operations heading into the November general election.

    Bloomberg had promised staffers when they were hired that they would be paid until November, but earlier this month most of his campaign team was told they had been let go and would be paid until the end of March.

    Ah yes, the empty promises of a rich man, true to form.

    Since exiting the race, Bloomberg has contributed $500,000 to Voto Latino to help register Latino voters, $2m to the group Collective Future to help register African American voters, and $2m to Swing Left, a group focused on electing Democrats in swing districts.

    Still, credit where credit is due.

  15. 15.

    mrmoshpotato

    March 23, 2020 at 7:30 am

    @Gin & Tonic: Gallows then thrown next to Osama?

  16. 16.

    e julius drivingstorm

    March 23, 2020 at 7:32 am

    @Betty Cracker: Rashida Tlaib (D Mi) has an interesting proposal. Through Steve Attewell at LG&M:
    MINT! THAT! COIN!
    I’m sure opposition to such a bottom up bailout from the trickle down crowd is grounded in the fact everyone knows benefits don’t trickle down so there’s no reason to think the little guys would pay their bills,

  17. 17.

    SFAW

    March 23, 2020 at 7:34 am

    @mrmoshpotato:

    Gallows then thrown next to Osama?

    It’s probably because I don’t have any caffeine in me yet, but I can’t parse that. Help?

  18. 18.

    zzyzx

    March 23, 2020 at 7:35 am

    In more normal times, it would be fascinating to me to watch the movement of the susceptible aspects of the Bernie crowd among my otherwise intelligent friends. Three weeks ago they were all “Biden is senile! Biden is senile! He can’t form a sentence!” After the debate that suddenly stopped and then 2-3 days ago the same exact “Where’s Biden? Is he dead?” joke emerged from 5 of them all at the same moment. From the outside perspective, it’s obviously coordinated and it pisses me off that they can’t see that they’re being that blatantly manipulated.

  19. 19.

    Gin & Tonic

    March 23, 2020 at 7:37 am

    @SFAW: I think he’s suggesting that Trump be hanged and then buried at sea next to bin Laden.

    We all know Trump will face no consequences whatsoever. I occasionally wish I believed in a just and vengeful God, but alas…

  20. 20.

    Baud

    March 23, 2020 at 7:38 am

    Savannah Guthrie tried to blame Dems for playing politics.  Illinois governor handled it well, didn’t throw Dems under the bus.

  21. 21.

    Jeffro

    March 23, 2020 at 7:38 am

    @mrmoshpotato: I’m down with that

  22. 22.

    Baud

    March 23, 2020 at 7:39 am

    @zzyzx:

    It’s what Republicans do too. The tactics are the same.

  23. 23.

    Bruuuuce

    March 23, 2020 at 7:40 am

    @debbie:

    He likes his numbers low.

    In that case, he’s going to adore the Dow futures. They were down 900, halting trading within 5 minutes of opening. Now they’re down around 600.

    Because he and his are responsible for the VERY BEST market ever, right?

  24. 24.

    satby

    March 23, 2020 at 7:40 am

    @Baud: because their goals are the same: put an ideologue in charge.

  25. 25.

    Baud

    March 23, 2020 at 7:45 am

    @Gin & Tonic:

    I can offer you a just and vengeful Baud.

  26. 26.

    Baud

    March 23, 2020 at 7:47 am

    @Bruuuuce: It’ll probably go back up if the Senate reaches a deal.

  27. 27.

    Bruuuuce

    March 23, 2020 at 7:48 am

    @Baud: Maybe. Depends on whether that deal includes money for the banks, or whether it is, as it should be, citizen-focused and protects them against the banks

  28. 28.

    bemused

    March 23, 2020 at 7:50 am

    I’ve been very impressed with Dem governors and teams working their butts off fight Covid-19 effects in their states, Inslee, Cuomo, Pritzer, Walz, etc. as opposed to Florida Desantis. I know there are some Republican-led states getting with the program, closing all but essential businesses and other services, etc. and I haven’t researched this but it seems to me that most Democratic run states are ahead of Republican run states in trying to contain community spread of virus.

  29. 29.

    bemused

    March 23, 2020 at 7:52 am

    @zzyzx:

    I’d say they know it’s manipulation but they are entirely willing participants.

  30. 30.

    Baud

    March 23, 2020 at 7:52 am

    @bemused:

    So same old, same old.

  31. 31.

    SFAW

    March 23, 2020 at 7:55 am

    @Gin & Tonic:

    I think he’s suggesting that Trump be hanged and then buried at sea next to bin Laden.

    To show you how much I’m apparently addicted to caffeine: I read “Osama” as “Obama,” and didn’t notice my error until you pointed it out. [I’d like to blame the RWMFs for that error, but it’s all me, and the caffeine probably had nothing to do with it.]

    Christ, what a moran I am

    I occasionally wish I believed in a just and vengeful God, but alas…

    I have often written that “[RWMF doing X and not being immediately turned into a grease spot] is the latest example that there is no such thing as a ‘just God’. “

  32. 32.

    Immanentize

    March 23, 2020 at 7:58 am

    @Baud: Competence is for libtard losers.  Smash n grab is the Patriot way!

  33. 33.

    Kirk Spencer

    March 23, 2020 at 7:58 am

    @bemused: one thing that will help Republican States is the Democratic-led large cities within. Texas as an example. Dallas goes on lockdown tonight for a while. I think Houston is about to follow suit but it will be a couple more days.

  34. 34.

    bemused

    March 23, 2020 at 7:59 am

    @bemused:

    Sure but I’d like to have some numbers of shithead R governors letting down their residents to throw at a few trumpers where I live.

  35. 35.

    Betty Cracker

    March 23, 2020 at 7:59 am

    I usually have an opinion on everything, but I find myself bereft of thoughts on whether it makes sense for Biden to do daily briefings from his rec room or whatever the plan is. There are pros and cons all around.

  36. 36.

    bemused

    March 23, 2020 at 8:00 am

    @Kirk Spencer:

    Thank goodness for reality-based Dem mayors of big cities.

  37. 37.

    Immanentize

    March 23, 2020 at 8:02 am

    @Betty Cracker: I think daily Biden updates would suck.  But a weekly address?  With “special announcements” thrown in might do a whole lot to serve as crisis balm.

  38. 38.

    JMG

    March 23, 2020 at 8:06 am

    Come November, nobody is going to remember what Biden said in March. Nor should they. One appearance a week is more than enough right now.

  39. 39.

    Betty Cracker

    March 23, 2020 at 8:08 am

    Biden on briefings, VP, etc.:

    Biden also said he’ll be communicating more from his home, where a rec room has been converted into a TV studio with a high-speed internet line. He said he’ll make his first “presentation” to the country about 11:30 a.m. Eastern time Monday, and will subsequently be doing more interviews and online discussions from the studio.

    Biden also told donors that he’ll start the process of vetting possible running mates “relatively soon, meaning a matter of weeks.” After making a surprise commitment at the last Democratic debate to picking a woman as his vice presidential nominee, he said Sunday at least six or seven women would be on his initial list.

    He also said the vetting process will be extensive to ensure “once I pick someone, God willing, if I’m the nominee, that there’s not going to be any snafu.”

    He suggested that he’s discussed the decision with Barack Obama, whom he served as vice president.

    “The most important thing, and I’ve actually talked to Barack about this, the most important thing is that it has to be someone who the day after they’re picked is prepared to be president of the United States of America if something happened.”

    That’s all good, I guess? At this point, I’m so goddamned numb it barely registers.

  40. 40.

    Mr. Mack

    March 23, 2020 at 8:11 am

    @Betty Cracker: One possible scenario is that the presidential campaign will likely be waged on TV.  A good electronic infrastructure in place now is smart, I think.  But yes, daily briefings seem…unnecessary.

  41. 41.

    Immanentize

    March 23, 2020 at 8:13 am

    It seems my alcoholic (but now not drinking?), diabetic, sickly musician nephew/godson who was working in a bar is pretty much entirely against the concept of social distancing.

  42. 42.

    OzarkHillbilly

    March 23, 2020 at 8:14 am

    @SFAW:[I’d like to blame the RWMFs for that error, but it’s all me, and the caffeine probably had nothing to do with it.]

    I blame RWMFs for everything whether they had anything to do with it or not. 99 times out of a 100 they are at the very least responsible for my state of mind.

  43. 43.

    Baud

    March 23, 2020 at 8:17 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    It is good for him to pick someone, in case Biden gets the virus (or something else happens to him).  The reason the primary isn’t over is that some people are hoping Biden will die and the runner up will become the nominee as if this were Miss America or something.

  44. 44.

    Lapassionara

    March 23, 2020 at 8:18 am

    @Betty Cracker: I’m also not sure about this. I did not watch the Trump’s presser last night, but my husband did, so I heard some of it. Trump gives the impression that he is solving all the supply problems (PPE, ventilators, etc) but he has not invoked the law that actually gives him the power to solve these problems. As a result, per the Illinois gov, states are out bidding against each other for needed supplies, driving up the price. I read that the National Chamber of Commerce has been lobbying Trump against invoking the power, and he has agreed with them.

    But his press conferences give no hint of this decision, and in fact, gives the opposite impression. This is where I think a Biden appearance might help: explaining to people what powers Trump could be using to solve shortages but that he is not using.

     

    and good morning, everyone.

  45. 45.

    SFAW

    March 23, 2020 at 8:18 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    99 times out of a 100 they are at the very least responsible for my state of mind.

    Me, too, but I can’t blame my illiteracy on them.

    I can, however, blame the illiteracy of “the kids these days” on them since Reagan started the destruction of public education. [Although I guess I shouldn’t stow thrones, given my fuckup above.]

  46. 46.

    Baud

    March 23, 2020 at 8:19 am

    Daily briefings on the virus are probably too much, but Biden still has to campaign, both for the primary and in prep for the general election.

  47. 47.

    SFAW

    March 23, 2020 at 8:20 am

    @Baud:

    the runner up will become the nominee as if this were Miss America or something.

    You’d still need something to befall Bernie, for you to get the nom in that way.

  48. 48.

    Baud

    March 23, 2020 at 8:21 am

    @SFAW:

    Is that an offer?

  49. 49.

    Betty Cracker

    March 23, 2020 at 8:23 am

    @Baud: I’ve wondered how that would work since we have two old men in contention for the nomination. Biden’s lead is basically insurmountable at this point.

    I wonder if there are any rules about what happens if Biden is incapacitated? Would the torch just automatically be passed to Sanders? That would be fucked up.

    I don’t think Biden picks a VP while Sanders is still in the race, but if he did, would that person become the presumptive nominee? This is all so bizarre

    ETA: What if both of them get incapacitated due to the virus? This isn’t out of the realm of possibility due to their age and the contagion rate. Then what the hell?

  50. 50.

    JMG

    March 23, 2020 at 8:25 am

    @Betty Cracker: No, the delegates at the convention would decide the nominee. There’s no automatic goes-to-the-runner-up. If there were, no candidate would ever drop out of the race.

  51. 51.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    March 23, 2020 at 8:27 am

    @bemused: Trump hates Pritzker because Pritzker criticized him in public. He refused to praise him yesterday when he was praising Cuomo and Newsome. At least he didn’t knock him, which shows unexpected Trumpian restraint.

    I can’t believe how long that press briefing ran on yesterday. A normal president would have had work waiting for him. Also s/he’d have had a press secretary capable of giving a briefing.

  52. 52.

    Immanentize

    March 23, 2020 at 8:29 am

    @Betty Cracker: The only way one becomes the Party’s nominee is by vote of delegates.  Even if dead (heavens forbid), Biden’s delegates could still vote for him, sending the issue to a second vote where all delegates are free to vote for whom they like and automatic delegates can vote.

    Of course that would not stop Sanders from claiming the Iron Throne as his rightful prize.

  53. 53.

    Baud

    March 23, 2020 at 8:29 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    @JMG:

    I think it’s correct that the delegates would choose someone else. But if Biden died tomorrow, there would only be one candidate left win delegates in the remaining states.  I suppose the voters could still vote for dead Biden, and then his delegates would pick someone else. That depends on state rules for ballot access.

  54. 54.

    Betty Cracker

    March 23, 2020 at 8:30 am

    @JMG: Okay, good point, but short of having a primary do-over, it’s hard to imagine them giving the nomination to anyone but Sanders in that scenario, even though the majority of Democrats so far have indicated a preference for someone else. Thorny scenario!

  55. 55.

    Spanky

    March 23, 2020 at 8:32 am

    @Immanentize:Smash n grab is the Patriot way!

    Belichick is a little more subtle than that.

  56. 56.

    Immanentize

    March 23, 2020 at 8:34 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    it’s hard to imagine them giving the nomination to anyone but Sanders in that scenario

    I don’t think it’s hard at all to imagine that. Also, so many other possibilities — Biden annoints a successor, Bloomberg races back in. Warren (third in delegate count) flies back into the race because she already has a plan for that….

    It is all unknowable, so let’s just send extra masks or dollars to Biden.

  57. 57.

    HeleninEire

    March 23, 2020 at 8:35 am

    @Betty Cracker: One issue is that Cuomo does his daily briefings at 11:00 every morning. A lot of country, not just New Yorkers, are looking to Cuomo. Biden will be stepping on him if he does it at 11:30.

  58. 58.

    Immanentize

    March 23, 2020 at 8:35 am

    @Spanky: barely

  59. 59.

    zhena gogolia

    March 23, 2020 at 8:42 am

    First day of online teaching today. Not looking forward to it.

  60. 60.

    OzarkHillbilly

    March 23, 2020 at 8:43 am

    @Spanky: As subtle as a 330 pound left tackle?

  61. 61.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    March 23, 2020 at 8:45 am

    If you are bored and looking for a short something to read, I blogged about writer’s block.

  62. 62.

    Baud

    March 23, 2020 at 8:45 am

    @zhena gogolia: You’ll do great.

  63. 63.

    Bruuuuce

    March 23, 2020 at 8:49 am

    @Spanky: True. He prefers behind-the-scenes manipulation of footballs, video crews, etc.

  64. 64.

    Sab

    March 23, 2020 at 8:49 am

    @Mr. Mack: Perhaps different because he is actually in office with some powers, but I find Gov deWine at his daily presentation very calming. He is surrounded by his competent staff (six feet apart) calmly answering questions and discussing their concerns and their solutions.

    We aren’t getting blindsided by our state government. He tells us what he’s thinking about doing, and a couple of days later he so orders. It’s refreshing to get common sense and honesty in government.

  65. 65.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    March 23, 2020 at 8:52 am

    @Sab:

    Isn’t it amazing how reassuring it is? You can tell when people know what they’re talking about. Compare Trump who rambles, repeats himself, and stays vague. Even if you didn’t know he was lying, you’d feel the difference. At least I hope you would. Otherwise, how do you avoid getting fleeced every day?

  66. 66.

    Immanentize

    March 23, 2020 at 8:52 am

    @zhena gogolia: like all teaching, remember that you are way ahead of your students.

  67. 67.

    prufrock

    March 23, 2020 at 8:55 am

    @Betty Cracker: Let’s not borrow trouble. We have enough as it is.

  68. 68.

    Sab

    March 23, 2020 at 8:57 am

    Well, I am off to the drive-in wimdow at the bank. I am actually laundering my money these days. In hot water with Tide, and then through the dryer. Usually in with my street clothes.

  69. 69.

    Mary Ellen Sandahl

    March 23, 2020 at 8:59 am

    How can the conventions be managed, assuming lockdowns and social distancing are still necessary – if not even moreso – by summer?

  70. 70.

    OzarkHillbilly

    March 23, 2020 at 9:11 am

    @Mary Ellen Sandahl: It will be a virtual convention but a real FUBAR.

  71. 71.

    Immanentize

    March 23, 2020 at 9:15 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: All it would take to prevent that is for Sanders to bow out and back Biden.

  72. 72.

    Dr. Ronnie James, D.O.

    March 23, 2020 at 9:21 am

    When Trump sniffed, “the Federal government is not a shipping clerk,” he was – as always – wrong. That is *exactly* how resource requests get handled in a Federal emergency. State governments (and the Feds, pre-Dumpf) have been working for decades on *exactly* this paradigm in emergencies. Similarly, for state-level emergencies, state governments prepare to perform the same role for their respective counties, and so on.

    This system makes sense: it keeps limited suppliers from getting inundated and confused by dozens of orders coming in all at once, and helps allocate with at least some semblance of fairness.

     

    Thats all out the window now, apparently. Heckuva job, Trumpy!

  73. 73.

    bemused

    March 23, 2020 at 9:28 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Trump can’t stand even the slightest whiff of anyone contradicting his royal self. I try not to watch him but noticed he hovers while anyone else talkimg at podium with some swaying and jaw clenched on alert for any remarks he doesn’t like. Creepy.

  74. 74.

    WereBear

    March 23, 2020 at 10:40 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Shared with my peeps online!

    I think it’s pretty stark that even when Republicans are trying to save their own ass, they still can’t be competent.

  75. 75.

    J R in WV

    March 23, 2020 at 12:40 pm

    @Immanentize:

    It seems my alcoholic (but now not drinking?), diabetic, sickly musician nephew/godson who was working in a bar is pretty much entirely against the concept of social distancing.

    Totally so shocked. Irresponsible seems to never so seldom go away on it’s own. Sorry to hear that.

    ETA to delete a bunch of irrelevant stuff

  76. 76.

    J R in WV

    March 23, 2020 at 12:45 pm

    @HeleninEire:

     

    Hi HeleninEire,

    I haven’t seen you lately, hope you’re doing well. Still in Queens, or off to Eire for a while?

    Take Care!

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